The BBC Press Office (for TV Licensing) Replied!

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Жыл бұрын

Full guidance from the BBC TV Licensing Press Office:
Guidance:
A TV licence is needed to legally watch or record television programmes live (i.e. as they are transmitted and received by the rest of the audience) on any channel, via any platform, and on any device, and to watch or download BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer. This includes programmes on:
free and paid-for channels received via an aerial, via a subscription satellite or cable television service (for example Sky or Virgin Media), or streamed online
channels received (on any platform or device) from overseas at the same time as they are being broadcast in the host country, and
channels streamed online at the same time as they are being received by the other members of the audience (whether or not they are also being broadcast by other means).
This means that, for KZfaq, a licence is needed to watch programmes on channels streamed live, but not on-demand content. Also, no licence is needed for content that cannot reasonably be regarded as forming part of a television programme service, for example non-broadcast content, such as on-demand video clips and other user-generated content.
For a service to require a licence to watch, it must be a “television programme service”. A number of factors would be taken into account when considering this, including for example: whether a service has a regular schedule of programmes; how continuous a service is; editorial control and consistency; and the quality of production/editorial values.
We don’t produce a list of the kind you request. The media landscape changes continually with new market entrants and changing services so it simply isn’t possible for TV Licensing to do this. We would expect that content from the majority of independent KZfaq creators wouldn’t fit the criteria of a television programme service.
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@Nuts-Bolts Жыл бұрын

Yes. I must congratulate you on how close to ‘professional’ your production has become (and coming from me - that’s praise indeed). The way that your studio… err gym is lit provides a visually pleasing spacial ambience and I am so pleased you have found a better use for that inappropriate ring light that you first used. Audio is clear with not a tract of reverb (echo). When excerpts of text are put on the screen for us to read (such as the reply from theTVL) they could be left up there until the next excerpt is ready. For often, people politely wait until a speaker ends their sentence before looking away to begin reading, only for it to then disappear before they have had time to finish reading it.

@BlackBeltBarrister Жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊 🙏

@BlackBeltBarrister Жыл бұрын

Noted 👌

@BlackBeltBarrister Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that you have been here from the start and provided helpful, polite feedback 👍

@Miles_Ahead547 Жыл бұрын

Jeez Dan have ewe written this or have you paid someone 🤦🏻‍♂️ don’t forget to reply to the question 👍

@Nuts-Bolts Жыл бұрын

@@Miles_Ahead547 What sort of reply would satisfy you? Whilst your thinking about an answer, watch Jordan B Peterson’s “12 Rules for Life” lecture.

@G4RY1159 Жыл бұрын

I applied online just yesterday for my old mum to get her free licence, it wasn't easy and made me think, just how many OAP's have the tech knowledge to go online and upload all what's required ? my old mum hates technology and struggles with just sending an email, this new ''smart'' ''tech'' world doesn't suit everyone.

@ploppyboothanger4648 Жыл бұрын

As a general rule always avoid anything with the word "smart" in it. That's a massive clue that it doesn't work properly. Smart Meters, Smart Motorways, Smart TV's etc. Notice the pattern?

@JB-oo7cv Жыл бұрын

Smart person 😂

@G4RY1159 Жыл бұрын

@@ploppyboothanger4648 Yes agree, was Smart arses that invented all these things.

@hamshackleton Жыл бұрын

When you delve into technology, it is horrifying how many gadgets, from a light-bulb to a car - require a 'smart-phone - that can download these apps things, to make it work!

@G4RY1159 Жыл бұрын

@@hamshackleton It's all just taken for granted that we passed our course in "Smart" with flying colours and know what we are doing. 53 years of the reliable way that usually worked, now it's the new way that involves Apps & Cashless shops or transport etc. I preferred when it was just Off and On Not go into system settings 😅

@ruiseartalcorn Жыл бұрын

It seems utterly ridiculous to me that, if I watch a live stream from Australia, I have to have a tv license, however, if I fly over to Australia and watch the same tv programme, I don't (because there is no tv licensing in Australia). Bonkers!

@stephenbaxter3369 Жыл бұрын

Hopefully this will all change over the next few years. A licensing system that operated when all TVs were Black and White only and there were only three channels is just not suitable for the 21st century!

@Veeger Жыл бұрын

It's just a list of arbitary conditions that has been written into law. You used to have to have a radio licence and it'd normally be paid at the time of purchase of said radio. Also you used to have to have a licence for a satellite dish. The tv license means nothing to me. I dont watch or record live tv. What it does mean is I never see a bbc program so the institution has become irrelevant to me. At the same time, I never see the other channels also. So the bbc licence b*llocks excludes me from channels that have nothing to do with the bbc. Thats just bitchy regulation. It still doesn't bother me though. Its just a bit pathetic really..

@Andrew--78 Жыл бұрын

@@Veeger just cancel online, they dont / cant harras you for 2 years, and im on my 3rd year and nobody has called / emailed, just dont be scared and cancel

@maddire2585 Жыл бұрын

Fed up of having to keep telling them my situation hasn’t changed and i dont require a tv license. Instead, I decided to just remove the BBC’s right of access to my property, in which they wrote and confirmed it had been received. Let’s see what happens next.

@Andrew--78 Жыл бұрын

@@maddire2585 u cancel online? Cos nobody comes to me or contacts me. ,remember 2 times then after that it's harassment, do it online and just tell them how it is and say no tgankyou.

@JadedFett Жыл бұрын

The licensing system is archaic and has no business being applied to the current media landscape. I have been (legally) license free for more than a decade now and don't miss it at all, indeed I think "over the air" TV as it exists today is on borrowed time. I find the ambiguous nature of the TV Licensing reply to be more than a little disingenuous, thankfully your coverage of it is not. My thanks for another informative and very helpful video.

@greenbow7888 Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's surpising how many people say stuff like, 'I just stopped paying the license'. Or I stopped three years ago. Like that's impressive, when some have rightfully not paid for many, many years.

@whatilearnttoday5295 Жыл бұрын

Bureaucrats always spend most of their effort on justifying and cementing their own existence.

@allothernamesbutthis Жыл бұрын

the boys buggery club probably have evidence of politicians or royals being naughty. it's strange the courts will lock someone up for not paying the fines for not having a TV licence rather than locking up celebrities etc. the justice system in the UK is a joke.

@Thurgosh_OG Жыл бұрын

@@greenbow7888 There's nothing wrong with people being a little proud, when they have done something like stopped their beeb licence, legally, when they did not know they could previously. There is still a lot of ignorance out there, mainly because Main Stream Media (the press etc.) do not let people know the actual rules and are happy to glorify cases where people have been fined for not having a licence (which some papers, still say 'for having a TV').

@jamingaming9251 Жыл бұрын

@@greenbow7888 yeah, I haven't had a TV licence in decades. Even when I did it was only for a couple of months (until I moved) because I got caught without one.

@christinestanding Жыл бұрын

Ever since Jimmy Saville I've not been a fan of the BBC. Therefore, I stay away from everything they do.

@roberthardy3090 Жыл бұрын

I hope you never vote Conservative then because Margaret Thatcher's close friendship helped give him unrestrained access to his health service victims.

@LeeGee 4 ай бұрын

Are you saying Maggie knew?

@jamesjones7138 Жыл бұрын

I haven't watched any Television, here in the UK, for years and don't pay for a TV Licence. I used to sit hopping from one channel to another trying to find something to appeal to my own tastes and interests until I realised that TV couldn't provide the answers. And I don't think I'm any worse off after all these years. Thanks to BBB for exploring this subject in depth.

@BettyDuguid Жыл бұрын

Same here.

@jamesjones7138 Жыл бұрын

@@BettyDuguid A Mate of mine comes round once a week, with a DVD. And that's me satiated.

@BettyDuguid Жыл бұрын

@@jamesjones7138 .

@JB-oo7cv Жыл бұрын

It's absolutely shocking what the BBC think they can do and I think youtube has already come out and said that they are a streaming service and you do not need a TV licence to watch youtube

@timg1246 Жыл бұрын

The TV licence laws are indefensible from either a moral, practical, or legal point of view. But KZfaq are a private company and as such they do not get to define the law. In law, there is no doubt at all that if you watch, say, GB News, or ITV News live on youtube you are liable for the licence. There is plainly also a degree of subjectivity in the explanation BBB gave with regards to content creators. Specially where a corporation, but not a standard broadcaster is concerned. The TV licence, and the whole BBC are irredeemable out of date.

@dlevi67 Жыл бұрын

KZfaq is a platform. They don't create content, and - unfortunately - the way the law is in the UK, the content you watch is what determines whether you must pay a licence fee or not.

@JB-oo7cv Жыл бұрын

So what about Amazon prime? They also show live broadcasts and they also state that they are are streaming service

@JB-oo7cv Жыл бұрын

I'm just really glad that I don't pay the BBC licence fee because I don't need one that's all you need to know ❤️

@dlevi67 Жыл бұрын

@@JB-oo7cv The issue is not 'Amazon prime' as such (which is another platform, BTW - Amazon Studios is a different company, although owned by some of the same shareholders) - the issue is whether the content is being 'broadcast'. If the content streamed 'live' through Amazon is also being broadcast at the same time (or deferred), you need a TV license. If it's not, then you don't.

@michaelmcclung1829 Жыл бұрын

Your content is way better than anything the BBC could make 😂. Love the content.

@BlackBeltBarrister Жыл бұрын

😁👍

@Treblaine Жыл бұрын

The BBC is the muzak of television. Soft, soothing, inoffensive and near universally hated.

@timg1246 Жыл бұрын

@@Treblaine A lot of people find the BBC wildly offensive......

@tomhollins5303 Жыл бұрын

Liked your comments but it is faint praise: watching a dead wombat decompose via a live stream would be preferable to me than the majority of BBC content.

@greenbow7888 Жыл бұрын

@@Treblaine The BBC is sick in the head.

@karenbransome6978 Жыл бұрын

I don’t watch mainstream tv as I found KZfaq to be a better choice of viewing and I don’t like bbc. Got rid of my tv licence during 2020. Thank you for your explanation xx

@stablefairy9437 Жыл бұрын

I did the same. there is much better content on you tube, much more interesting and informative and varied.

@dcasteaux9181 Жыл бұрын

Agree 100%. No licence for 5 years now. Amazon and KZfaq are my main sources of entertainment. Have not watched BBC News, or any MSM nor any newspapers, for 6 months now: I live in pure ignorance now and my life is far better for it. Rather be uninformed than misinformed.

@Kit-yv7ob Жыл бұрын

Never had one.

@TheWtfnonamez Жыл бұрын

Excellent work mate. I would also make one observation based on working in the TV industry: If an organisation qualifies as a "television station" or a "broadcaster" (third party or otherwise), they will be under absolutely no doubt about the fact that they have to be 100% compliant with OFCOM. They will probably be routinely in touch with them. Therefore you could reasonably argue in court that if you are watching some random youtuber livestream, since they are not required to be OFCOM compliant, they cannot reasonably be argued to be broadcasting content subject to the TV license. Between covert advertising and content violations, half of the big youtubers would be getting £100,000 OFCOM fines every week if they were considered to be "broadcasters" in the UK and therefore subject to the applicable rules.

@andyp5899 Жыл бұрын

That would be a good argument to make.

@miles_thomas Жыл бұрын

Except that foreign live broadcasters are in scope of license (as explained by BBC/BBB), but not bound by OFCOM as they do not broadcast from the UK

@andyp5899 Жыл бұрын

@@miles_thomas My view is Ofcom could maintain just a register of Broadcasters that fall within the meaning of the licence.

@Obsidiansoul74 Жыл бұрын

I think you just answered my question about 1 tuber in particular. She does crime podcasts. Pre recorded but scheduled to air at the same time twice a week. She has an editor and camera person, her husband, and i was suddenly struck with the, oh god, is she falling into the TV catagory.

@Wyrmwould Жыл бұрын

This just sounds like absolute madness.

@G4RY1159 Жыл бұрын

Real madness is requiring a tv licence in 2022 It truly astounds me why people still pay the fee, times have changed BUT us as people have the real power with ending this stupid fee once and for all, just don't pay it. The one msg the BBC fully understand is the financial msg, cancel licence OR don't renew it, the BBC will eventually get the msg.

@MikeEves Жыл бұрын

That's why you should ignore it. The BBC has no powers.

@matthewleitch1 Жыл бұрын

Good initiative BBB to get the BBC to put this into words. Makes it harder for them them to backtrack, even though they have called it guidance, and reassures people who might otherwise over-restrict themselves just in case.

@Christopher_S Жыл бұрын

This is quite a relief. In March next year my Sky contract is up and I plan on getting rid of TV to focus on things like Netflix/Prime/Disney etc plus KZfaq. I was fearful that they were going to try fleece me into having a licence still to watch content live here. Thank you for taking your time to get in touch with them over this issue, I was unable to find this answer myself over the summer when looking into it.

@2462bf2 Жыл бұрын

Just don't watch BBC iplayer(on demand as well) or 4od, itv etc live through the app

@XENONEOMORPH1979 Жыл бұрын

never had a license for two years i watch Netflix and recorded videos on you tube no need to have one i also do not watch itv or ch4-5 or bbc my mind is so clear .

@alangordon3283 Жыл бұрын

Will BritBox be a no no then .

@DrWrapperband Жыл бұрын

Pay Rupert the **** phone hacker boss' for sky crap, and don't feel fleeced? Amazing.

@Christopher_S Жыл бұрын

@@DrWrapperband I have a decent deal, I managed to get every channel apart from movies and the top Netflix for £52 a month. It's about £40 for all sport and Sky, so it's not as bad as full price. With 2 kids who watch a lot of it, it was worth the price, but as they're growing, KZfaq is becoming the most watched so Sky is loosing it's appeal. Value is subjective, and to me £40 a month for Sky was worth it.

@Lorianne-1111 Жыл бұрын

I cancelled mine at the beginning of summer. I literally don’t watch live tv. I use Netflix, Disney, and now TV movies from Sky, (which I all pay separately for), as well as utube videos...none of which are live. I have zero need to pay the BBC for anything.

@stephenbaxter3369 Жыл бұрын

It's a good way to consuming high quality content with none of the hassle that BBC Licensing provide.

@RichardCritten Жыл бұрын

Some content creators on KZfaq and Twitch can be incorporated, have a regular schedule, have paid staff (including editors and moderators) and stream live content to 10K plus viewers regularly (100K viewers on some occasions). Where is the line drawn? I don't think the guidance helps.

@derickl436 Жыл бұрын

Not had a TV Licence since 2014 and have a far richer life for it! If I watch anything nowadays it tends to be dvds, Netflix or content from KZfaq creators. TBH we don’t even watch catch-up on the non-bbc channels nowadays. Great to hear your advice regarding this and other matters here.

@tazz1669 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the update, glad it doesn't include KZfaq live streams from creators. Glad they came back to you.

@goodquestion8064 Жыл бұрын

Never had a to license in my life

@morlanius Жыл бұрын

I told you, they will just go around in circles and keep providing "guidance" they have already published that doesn't answer the question. Because they know, hence the "no comment" statement.

@duncanwalker1347 Жыл бұрын

Just how can they tell you they will not comment on a question of law you posed to them ?

@marksnow7569 Жыл бұрын

Because the place for a barrister to pose a question of law and insist on an answer is in court

@tommiller1315 Жыл бұрын

I ceased buying a TV licence in 2006 and don't miss live TV at all. A massive saving of over £2,000 so far. Another reason for stopping is my protest at ridiculous salaries to presenters, and more recently, the use of offensive language on entertainment programs broadcast at 1830, weekdays on Radio 4. Occasional hotel stays and looking through a TV magazine, allowed me to confirm my view! I only view items on KZfaq, or similar free to view internet based content, and I buy DVD videos 10 for £1 from charity shops or occasional sets from online suppliers (DVDs don't get erased). I watch my choice of interesting channels such as this. Thanks for another great video.

@yibyibyib Жыл бұрын

Admittedly you do not have a studio and a raft of production staff but your content is well above any standard I would pay a licence fee for. Long may it continue!

@tobyaustin9638 Жыл бұрын

🤦

@Bozebo Жыл бұрын

Yeah, most* digital creators are safe from falling to the terrible level of quality that you get on broadcast mediums (like, say, having climate change deniers on - so factually false and a lie and low ass quality) so they shouldn't become victim to requiring a TV license to watch :P * I say most, there are a lot that obviously have loads of that.

@MeMe-jg7by Жыл бұрын

I love the way you disect for the layman. Being a former Law student I am able to interpret the Law but for those who have never studied Law it can be very complex and mind boggling. You make it easy for those people. Love your videos. Keep up the excellent work!

@Falney Жыл бұрын

I'm going to muddy the water. You need a broadcast license to broadcast television. So either the UK based creators are breaking the law, or are not broadcasting television. If its the former, I'm sure something would have been done about it.

@noelward8047 Жыл бұрын

Interesting point.

@denisripley8699 Жыл бұрын

'Broadcast' means transmitted via terrestrial radiowaves (UHF) or satellite or simulcast by streaming services. OFCOM licenses all commercial channels; BBC broadcasts through act of parliament.

@timg1246 Жыл бұрын

There is no direct link between a licence from OFCOM to broadcast and a TV licence to recieve. That is why foreign stations broadcasting via the Web get caught. The law is a mess, but MPs are blissfully un-aware that there is even a problem.

@Falney Жыл бұрын

@@timg1246 I mention it as a potential defining feature of broadcasting, not that a broadcast license is needed to receive. I did not intend to link the two.

@grahamokeefe9406 Жыл бұрын

I could see where some of the bigger creators who have entire studios and staffs might meet the criteria for a TV service.

@timg1246 Жыл бұрын

Yes. Even so called "one man bands" like Russell Brand, or Mahyar Tousi, employ staff members. Sometimes a dozen or so. The TV licence laws will never keep up with this.

@_chrisr_ Жыл бұрын

The reality is that they would have to have evidence of a person watching which they are unlikely to have, without cooperation of the likes of KZfaq or the ISPs and furthermore they would have to prove the address at which it was watched - since licences are by property, to so on a practical level I can't see this happening.

@_chrisr_ Жыл бұрын

@@ascot4000 but they still have to have cooperation from isps to a higher level since they would have to identify ip addresses corresponding to properties without a tv license and interrogate KZfaq to see which had accessed live-streams . I would argue that this wouldn’t happen as it would be disproportionate and almost certainly unlawful since they would essentially have access to far more information than was actually relevant to the offence. what they can do at the moment is, if they have an ip, they can find out who was using it at the time, which is far less intrusive. The us government was doing something like this secretly and when that became public it was seen to be too broad.

@andyp5899 Жыл бұрын

@@ascot4000 They can not enter your premises without either your permission or a warrant

@HaralHeisto Жыл бұрын

@@ascot4000 "It may stagger you to learn that the BBC can gain search warrants for your property for the purpose of licence enforcement" That would stagger me if it were true. They are allowed to request the police come to search your property, and the police can get a warrant to do so if you refuse to allow them in. But even if that happens the "licence enforcement officer" (just a civilian employed by Capita) CANNOT enter your property without YOUR permission - the courts and police do not have authority to allow them in!

@chalky7285 Жыл бұрын

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@DanJonesHypnosis Жыл бұрын

Many years ago a TV licence person visited me. I only used my TV for gaming and watching DVD's. I made sure the TV was on the opposite side of the room as the aerial socket so that if anyone visited they could see I'm not using the TV for watching broadcast TV. They said as long as I have the aerial socket I have to pay the licence. I explained it is a rented property, I can't remove a socket in the wall, and tried to argue I just let them in straightaway, I didn't know who was at the door until I answered it, so had no time to hide evidence, like removing and hiding an aerial lead, but they were so forceful about the serious trouble I would get into I obviously started paying the licence fee. I'm now in a position where I again don't have an aerial lead plugged into the socket, but this time I do currently feel the need to continue paying because sometimes there is breaking news etc and I will end up watching on KZfaq whatever news channel seems to be covering it, usually Sky News shows as the first option. I also watch QI whenever it is on and for me, it is worth having the licence to watch that on iPlayer, but I do think the whole licence and cost of streaming services etc needs to be looked at. I think it would be good to have a single licence and services get a percentage of this based on what you watch, as it gets ridiculous when you pay for Netflix for a couple of shows, Prime for a couple of shows, Now for a couple of shows, Paramount for a couple of shows, Apple TV for a couple of shows, Disney for a couple of shows etc... It just costs so much, whereas in the past things may come to Sky first, but you knew they would eventually come to other channels. I think if customers paid a fixed fee and these services had to create content to try to get your eyes on their shows that would be a better system. If everyone watches what Netflix puts out, then they would get the majority of the licence payers monthly fee etc...

@ButlinsHistory Жыл бұрын

Don't put yourself down, yours and many other KZfaq creators like yourself provide content that is far better / entertaining than the dross the BBC churn out. I'm more than happy to spend an evening with KZfaq than mainstream broadcast TV. 😃😃

@steveland810 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this with us.Fantastic as always

@bbomber2299 Жыл бұрын

Still not paying though 😂

@xSkittlesxNewbx Жыл бұрын

I can pause this video now without watching it. As my grandmother was dragged to court by tv Licensing, and ANYTHING you watch, no matter how or were, it doesn't matter, as long as you're watching something somehow, you have to pay the tv license, my grandmother lost the court, and it all started with a prick from tv license taking advantage of her bad English and getting her to say whatever he wanted her to. Now keep in MIND, the tv license people told her over the phone to IGNORE the payments as she doesn't have to. while the inspector AT THE DOOR told her it doesn't matter, and then summoned her to court. The ONLY reason she didn't have to pay EXTRA in court, is because that error was on TV license side, of telling her two different stories, BUT, they still made her pay for a full year of TV license, additional, TV license IS NOT limited to BBC channels and BBC iPlayer, if you go FURTHER into the small print, things like immigrant tv (So streaming service that shows tv abroad) and has no way of broadcasting anything relating to BBC, STILL falls under the umbrella of "i.e. as they are transmitted and received by the rest of the audience" so you HAVE to pay it. With youtube as well, it DEPENDS, what you are watching, because not everything is excluded, safe rule of thumb to use : If it's downloaded or burnt onto a dvd then you are 95% safe and won't have to pay. Mind the fact that this ONLY happened after TV license said she's eligible for a free one but she refused because SHE DID NOT HAVE A TV. Tv License needs to be abolished because they're just corrupt money grabbing theifs

@gregf9160 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like they are being very cagey and defensive about their own "advice". A very interesting one, thanks.

@TKro21 Жыл бұрын

15 years without a TV licence , we remind them via their website & I can honestly say they have never hassled us once.

@Justanotherandy63 Жыл бұрын

8 years for me and no hassle at all. I get an email every two years and it takes 10 secs to fill in the reply.

@Treblaine Жыл бұрын

That sets a low standard, you shouldn't have to engage with door-to-door salesmen to get them to stop their baseless accusations. Their accusations are no different than Disney baselessly accusing you of pirating their movies and demanding you settle with them or be assumed liable until you make a formal denial.

@Justanotherandy63 Жыл бұрын

@@Treblaine I filled in a form 8 years ago to state that I didn't require a TV licence. I know of many people who did the same and never get a salesman annoying them. I think people who just don't get one without doing it legally tend to get the hassle.

@Treblaine Жыл бұрын

@@Justanotherandy63 But you DID get a salesman annoy you, he annoyed you into filling out his stupid little form. That's not good enough. "people who just don't get one without doing it legally tend to get the hassle" There is no legal obligation to do that. You are under no legal obligation to be treated as breaking the law until you sign some legal document affirming that you aren't. It seems the be the SOLE basis of getting harassment is that a residential address exists which does not have a TV licence.

@timg1246 Жыл бұрын

If you feel the need to tell a company you do not require their services, you are indeed being hassled.

@joaonobrega7018 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for all the explainers -The last bit is quite scary! It could mean something like the WAN show from LTT which has quite a high level of production - with a team behind the hosts, streamed weekly at the same day and time and has been on for a very long time, could fall under the needing one. Their guidance seem very open ended on purpose. “We’re not going to say no but we’re not going to say yes either”

@InsideOutPants Жыл бұрын

I can think of so many examples of solely KZfaq based operations like LTT that fit all the criteria mentioned. Seems to me that if BBB had a dedicated studio room, his wife did some editing, and he made a live schedule then it would become enforceable on this channel. Scary indeed.

@tollietime Жыл бұрын

@@InsideOutPants they can try to enforce it but thats the key word TRY, yank them back like the lap dogs they are

@ianhaylock7409 Жыл бұрын

If you don't watch the show live, it's not a problem. So just wait for the show to finish, then watch it.

@BlackBeltBarrister Жыл бұрын

Full Guidance received: Guidance: A TV licence is needed to legally watch or record television programmes live (i.e. as they are transmitted and received by the rest of the audience) on any channel, via any platform, and on any device, and to watch or download BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer. This includes programmes on: free and paid-for channels received via an aerial, via a subscription satellite or cable television service (for example Sky or Virgin Media), or streamed online channels received (on any platform or device) from overseas at the same time as they are being broadcast in the host country, and channels streamed online at the same time as they are being received by the other members of the audience (whether or not they are also being broadcast by other means). This means that, for KZfaq, a licence is needed to watch programmes on channels streamed live, but not on-demand content. Also, no licence is needed for content that cannot reasonably be regarded as forming part of a television programme service, for example non-broadcast content, such as on-demand video clips and other user-generated content. For a service to require a licence to watch, it must be a “television programme service”. A number of factors would be taken into account when considering this, including for example: whether a service has a regular schedule of programmes; how continuous a service is; editorial control and consistency; and the quality of production/editorial values. We don’t produce a list of the kind you request. The media landscape changes continually with new market entrants and changing services so it simply isn’t possible for TV Licensing to do this. We would expect that content from the majority of independent KZfaq creators wouldn’t fit the criteria of a television programme service.

@tonyhawk123 Жыл бұрын

There are parts which sound like a license is needed and other parts where it’s not. As usual they are being vague and manipulative so that enough people think “I’m not clear on this, I’ll get a license to be on the safe side” and they get more money. Also, how is someone supposed to know if a live KZfaq stream is also being streamed elsewhere that would require a license! Unless the user receives a notification, how can they know. They’re insincere and frustrating. It would be a fine day when the company contracted to handle BBC’s dirty deeds is kicked to the curb.

@AndyZE123 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video, thanks. Getting any information out of the BBC is a result in itself. No clickbait title either, so I watched it!

@rodd1000 Жыл бұрын

Please post a copy of the guidance, either in description or elsewhere. Would be really helpful to users who come in contact with licensing and help make a defence.

@andyp5899 Жыл бұрын

Click on MORe in the text underneath the video

@whatilearnttoday5295 Жыл бұрын

The copy in the description saved me 14 minutes of my life. Thanks.

@pkrmkn31 Жыл бұрын

@@andyp5899 i clicked on more and all there is is a copy of some of the guidance. not the whole thing.

@michaeltierney842 Жыл бұрын

I don’t care what the bbc says I’m watching anything I want and will never buy a TVs licence 😁 but thanks for the info you have a great Chanel 👌

@ukeleleEric Жыл бұрын

Not exactly sensible to say that on a public forum...

@michaeltierney842 Жыл бұрын

@@ukeleleEric it doesn’t matter their is nothing anyone can do about it 🤷‍♂️😁

@Craftalyticalrants Жыл бұрын

Thank you for looking into this!

@eddieharkin2550 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I'm sure 'Joe Bloggs' would have had a great deal of trouble squeezing that out of them. As a none license fee payer I always assumed that to be the position but it's nice to have it confirmed, all-be-it in the form of guidance. 👏👏

@footplate0 Жыл бұрын

I would think that Ofcom should have the list of companies as they have to license the companies before they are allowed to transmit what ever content that they are licensed to transmit. Just a thought. Thanks for posting

@adavidives Жыл бұрын

Not so. There are literally thousands of TV companies all over the World broadcasting live programmes by satellite, receivable here in the UK, which require a UK TV licence to watch. International TV companies come and go daily so a definitive list would be out of date as soon as it was published.

@Bozebo Жыл бұрын

@@adavidives Not just anywhere in the world, it matters if they broadcast from anywhere in the universe as far as I can tell :P

@g7eit Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the information. I worry a lot about getting a visit from them. I only watch KZfaq private channels.

@thesaltybrit9321 Жыл бұрын

I love my occasional threatening letters with big red lettering. They keep saying they have opened an investigation but only had 1 visit.... Waiting for the day that I (again) open the door and tell them 'no thank you, I'm not interested in buying a TV licence' and then shutting it. I've not looked back since ditching Sky, live TV etc, get what I need from Netflix, Disney+ and Amazon.

@Bozebo Жыл бұрын

My only visit was in May 2020 xD

@johnroche6333 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for breaking it down,so an uneducated person such as my self can understand,be it I may have watch several times,it’s appreciated 👍

@aguyfromthe60s7 Жыл бұрын

Your house is beautiful, and thank you for this update 👍🏻

@1globe Жыл бұрын

Very helpful clarification and kudos for getting 'guidance' from the BBC. 👏👏👏

@faescotland4174 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this! I'm amazed you got any coherent answer from the bureau of TV licencing at all. I've been declaring I don't need one every two years for quite a while now & the format and rules change each time. For a start, there is a presumption of guilt - they can't imagine you don't watch TV. Why would I want to watch anything live - I can't pause or fast forward through live shows! It's just another unfair tax, nothing to do with TV, they could have called it the window tax, if that didn't already have such a bad rep. I arrived to my new build property, before it had a postcode, to three threatening letters from TV licencing, the final one threatening prosecution... Of an empty property - they're bonkers. This year I noted they'd included all live broadcasts online too - so I'm glad you've clarified what type of content. The question remains on how they can tax us for watching foreign - so outside the UK juristiction - broadcasting companies that stream some content via KZfaq. And do foreign countries pay a TV licence fee for the BBC World service? Its such a scam, and the sooner its scrapped the better. Any speculation as to what the replacement tax will be?

@MikeEves Жыл бұрын

Confirm you don't do something? Do you declare you don't have a gun/fishing/pilot's/HGV/scrap metal trader/sell alcohol/practice law/practice medicine licence too?

@RichardWinskill Жыл бұрын

Also you might not have a tv studio at your disposal, but you’re doing a damn sight better than most tv hosts were doing from home during lockdowns ;)

@NorthernerInSpace Жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to see how they consider Twitch streamers. Most of the criteria they set out would seem to apply. Some of the streams are regular (with published schedules), of high production values and a lot of them have full production teams involved. Yet, at the same time they are still user generated content, just at a very professional level.

@artyjnrii Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them, especially the bigger ones, are registered as companies. That could take them beyond being user generated content and mean that a TV licence is required. The same goes for a lot of bigger KZfaq channels, such as PewDiePie, although I don't believe he livestreams regularly anymore.

@c-z4780 Жыл бұрын

Just don't let them in your home, they have no right to access it. 10 years no tv license. Don't feed the greed.

@Tazza81 Жыл бұрын

Never paid for a TV licence and never will.

@Believer3_ Жыл бұрын

Same. Unfortunately my grandmother pays it because she is scared not too.. I've told her to stop paying it and she dont listen

@theexiles100 Жыл бұрын

Agreed, I would interpret you and other KZfaqrs to fall into the category of "other user generated content" as you would be an "other user" so no licence required.

@thewholeroll Жыл бұрын

Thanks Daniel. There are many channels on YT run by professional media outlets that have many of the characteristics you mentioned. Lots of successful channels that originally started as lone creators with an iPhone have developed over time to be professional media operations - they're just not traditional TV broadcasters. Appreciate what you mentioned only applies in the context of live streams, but I think there's a significant possibility a person will watch live streams by such companies at some point (I do).

@tollietime Жыл бұрын

the reason they dont put it in black and white is they cant back there own bullshit up

@colinpalmer4299 Жыл бұрын

This was something that crossed my mind... are we as users expected to find out what kind of editorial value a channel has or if there is a team behind the live streams we are watching? Under this guidance It's not so obvious what is and isn't fine to watch without a TV licence. Kinda feels like a bit of over reaching by UK TV Licensing?

@JamesSiggins Жыл бұрын

The TV tax has no future. I never watch anything live, no reason to when you can watch on demand. Haven't watched live for about 4 - 5 years, the only time I might is when I've been around friends houses and they're watching crap live, It makes me glad I don't pay it.

@powerdither7309 Жыл бұрын

I wish all professional broadcasters had the same ethical outlook as you. You seem to be one of the most balanced and informed sources of information in th UK. No spin....just facts and information ...I always support the BBC, but I don't think the beeb can genuinely claim to be impartial anymore... That's why we need content like BBB. 👍

@DrWrapperband Жыл бұрын

The BBC press office said - Some KZfaq channels ARE a TV programme for the purpose of the Legislation. All be it, they are in a minority. 49% of 100 is a minority according to Maths.

@suescooper5693 Жыл бұрын

Not watched tv for nearly 3 years just cancelled my tv license

@pablobratcat Жыл бұрын

I have absolutely NO problem paying my licence fee, I have always supported the BBC and atm they are working hard reporting on the protests in Iran despite all the blocks on media.

@spudhead169 Жыл бұрын

I think the reasonable way to boil all this down is that KZfaq, Twitch, FB etc.. live streamers are not streaming television programmes. The world "television" doesn't apply to that form of live media in any way.

@stigg333 Жыл бұрын

Great information but unless they come in your house and actually see you watching a live program how on earth can they ever prove what your watching as they have no power to enter your home?

@noelward8047 Жыл бұрын

No doubt the goons rely on tricking someone into admitting they are watching. That said, if they are then there are consequences.

@stigg333 Жыл бұрын

@@noelward8047 Agreed, but if your sensible I can't see how they would ever catch you???

@ukeleleEric Жыл бұрын

Precisely. We have an aerial on our roof. It's not connected to anything, but its still there. So that isn't even the giveaway people think it is. (We do watch TV on cable, though, so we do have a licence.)

@richardaldridge5474 Жыл бұрын

We do watch LIVE tv on cable!

@MikeEves Жыл бұрын

No, end of story.

@toast99bubbles Жыл бұрын

I contacted TV Licensing about this, mentioning Twitch and KZfaq and all they sent in response was an answer that didn't say anything beyond how I would need a TV License to watch live TV.

@sgradone Жыл бұрын

I agree a comprehensive list of all TV show/channel providers would really be impossible but I'd expect they could have a list of the UK TV networks that have been around for 20+ years as a start.

@PINACI Жыл бұрын

There are way too many television companies to put on a list, and take into account all of the television broadcasting companies in other countries as well like India or Australia for example that would technically also have to be on said list if one existed. I think that the description "television broadcasting company" covers all of them no matter what country they are broadcast from.

@stasiabotwright Жыл бұрын

There is a list of licence holders held by OFCOM for the UK

@dizwell Жыл бұрын

You would think that they could at least provide a list of all the TV companies around the world to which they sell or license their own programmes! It wouldn't be "exhaustive", but it would certainly be better than asking members of the public to make their own minds up about an industry of which the BBC is allegedly an expert participant.

@Drakshl Жыл бұрын

By continuous I think they mean to say that one can assume that a broadcast is always available. For example, most/all TV channels have 24 hour programming of some description, whearas a live streamed might stream 2-8 hours in a day

@thomasdalton1508 Жыл бұрын

Yes, that's my interpretation. If you stream for an hour every day at 10pm that may be regularly scheduled and consistent, but it isn't a continuous service.

@EwanMarshall Жыл бұрын

Cbeebies doesn't, it is live "It broadcasts every day from 6:00 am to 7:00 pm, timesharing with BBC Four." Now we could consider both channels together make the service continuous I suppose, so lets look at BBC 4 "It broadcasts daily from 7:00pm to around 4:00am, timesharing with CBeebies (which starts at 6:00am).", oh, that still leaves a 2 hour slot. Of course BBC does have 24 hour channels now too, this came about during the 90s that the major BBC channels would fill their closedown with other channels like BBC World Service or BBC News 24.

@thomasdalton1508 Жыл бұрын

@@EwanMarshall It says they would consider how continuous the service is not whether it is continuous. It doesn't need to be 24/7 to count. Back in the day, TV services were never 24/7.

@EwanMarshall Жыл бұрын

@@thomasdalton1508 right, I don't know, there are 24/7 twitch channels in existance. Is a daily 12 hour stream continuous enough?

@Drakshl Жыл бұрын

@@EwanMarshall possibly if it's also highly produced from a reaosnably proffeisonal company. There is a line there (so far as the BBC is concerned) and it's definitely possible to cross it

@amateurlifers9797 Жыл бұрын

Good video, I've not watched tv in years and plan on getting rid of my tv license. I certainly don't watch live events, not a sports fan so it's going out the window. Keep up the good work.

@thomasdalton1508 Жыл бұрын

What do you think about a Twitch channel that streams every day for several hours at set times and with a weekly schedule of different content? I think that is getting very close to being a TV service.

@dedr4m Жыл бұрын

If Vaush, Tim Pool, etc are considered legally "TV services for the purposes of TV Licensing", that would get a chunk of backlash, then add to that, when streamers playing games, then music making, then urban exploring, then music releasing, then DJing then, etc.... Especially when the person is known personally as a friend within a circle of friends and we all end up asking, "So we have to pay a TV License just to be friends with each-other but none of us ever see the money from the license ever reach our pockets?".... That hopefully will be the breaking point for so many people, hopefully the BBC's action would result in riots for weeks. (REF, screenshot taken as I have issues from KZfaq's auto-mod making dangerous accusations, I need to log everything going forward in case I have to turn to the newspapers and influencers I've not named if my account gets suspended for replying in a contractionary manner like these)

@thomasdalton1508 Жыл бұрын

@@dedr4m I doubt people that watch Twitch are a constituency the politicians care about, so the outcry would probably fall on deaf ears.

@Deathscythe39 Жыл бұрын

Could guide you to a YT channel dedicated to TV licence related issues and the person there explains in his videos when you need it and when you actually don't. Granted he wants the license abolished so there is that bias but he explains clearly what you can and what you can't watch without the license

@G4RY1159 Жыл бұрын

Even if you follow all the proper guidelines when you cancel a tv licence and no longer have a tv they still persist in sending out intimating letters, I speak from experience. I'm currently waiting on my next return visit so I can invite them in as this time I want to capture a photo of them standing in my home where I don't have a TV, it's a shame I need to use such tactics as this BUT they just do not accept that plenty of homes today just don't watch live tv.

@Deathscythe39 Жыл бұрын

@@G4RY1159 strange as I am happily TV licence free for 3 years now and except me making the phone call the 1st time and then doing the exception form online to renew it a year ago I've never had the license goons sent.

@G4RY1159 Жыл бұрын

@@Deathscythe39 I completed the online cancel form too and all was good for about 14 - 17 months then started getting letters addressed to the occupier, I've ignored the letters as I don't see the reason why I should reply or do anymore when I did go through all the relevant original procedure. My address now gets regular letters that I've stored in the hope I can return them to any of the agents in person when they arrive. I see all this action by them as pure aggravated intimidation / harassment which granted over the years has got my back up a little. They are welcome in my home address any time but when they do come knocking they will be welcomed in and offered a warm beverage while I take a few images of them in my home purely in the interest of firm evidence they have visited and they can clearly see for themselves I don't Own a TV. I do hope my course of action amends matters once and for all and that should I need a TV licence in the future that I'll make contact with them.

@Deathscythe39 Жыл бұрын

@@G4RY1159 might not be as simple as them not seeing that u don't have a TV set at your home. If u have a computer, smartphone, tablet etc. Which can receive live TV they will try and force you (even by court in some cases) to buy a TV licence. The best way is as with all door salesmen is to close the door on them. They have no legal power and work only through intimidation

@Deathscythe39 Жыл бұрын

Check out a channel called ChilliJonCarne on KZfaq. One of the things he does is show all the threatening letters people receive and explains what to do. Like I've mentioned he wants the license abolished so he is bias but he gives a honest and clear advice what to do when you get the letters or a visit from the door salesmen intimidation crew

@Luke-A Жыл бұрын

TV licencing needs to be scrapped, the funding is no longer needed as in my belief it was put into place due to BBC not advertising due to being publicly funded and taking an impartial view and making TV and Radio available for all in case of a national emergency, political statement from prime minister or royalty and news had to be viewed as impartial where as if they advertised for Dairy Milk then that would then show favor over other brands ext. In the modern age the BBC is far from the first source I'd get immediate news or updates from. TV licencing is no longer needed for anything other than the fact that the BBC doesn't want to have to earn money they'd rather take handouts they should just advertise like every other television service has too.

@traceywalsh7672 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the update, that was interesting to hear!! With that being said, does that mean that Netflix or Prime is also not a television provider as there are not set times for programmes being broadcast and nothing is live to watch unless you actually pay to watch something live? I am a little confused 🤔 this is indeed a minefield. Thank you!He

@tgitm Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see the BBC try and make the case KZfaq/Twitch require a TV license, just to see them get smashed into the ground by Alphabet/Amazon in court. Probably why they only gave you guidance as I expect everyone in their team who got passed your email said "I'm not touching that with a 100ft barge pole"

@peteworrall9203 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Does anyone actually know why we have to pay a license fee even though I'm paying, for example, Discovery+ to stream the Olympics through their website? What does it have to do with the BBC other than, "because we say so"?

@thomasacratopulo8114 Жыл бұрын

My guess would be because it provides a "public' option for those who can't afford subscription services. In the same way that people who attend private school still pay taxes to help fund state schools despite not using them. Just my interpretation.

@PaddedCellStudio Жыл бұрын

That’s great! Very informative, thanks!

@miles_thomas Жыл бұрын

Thanks for getting this clarified!. A few points (and I have some questions which I will put in a separate comment) * Editor/Editorial values. I would have thought it doesn't need to be a separate person (legally), one person can take many roles in a nominal process or organisation, it would be how you approach the task that matters. * "Live broadcast"--I wonder if creators who run multi-hour streams (e.g. webcams of airports, railways, nature etc.) could start to fall into remit (more so if simulcast by other technical means). Regular, continuous, a sort of editorial value, etc. Similarly regular broadcasts of religious services, especially if streamed by other means simultaneously (IPTV, Roku streamer etc.) * It is interesting that BBC did not mention (presumably because the law does not specify) whether the act of streaming (live) is in return for payment (e.g. share of KZfaq ad revenue), could be considered license-able, maybe with a defined amount. Or indeed number of watched hours per month (paid or otherwise). Maybe that will come in the future. * Also interesting that control by a corporate entity i.e. a company employing people to make content on a work for hire basis, like a traditional newspaper (newspapers also used to need a license), or a collective, or simply a "content farm", isn't mentioned as a test for being a license-able broadcaster. Funded to create, or perhaps creating and publishing as a long running political or lobbying organisation. Again, maybe something for the future * Regarding the definite list point. I'm surprised that BBC didn't put in as a "test" for a license-able broadcasting organisation something about being part of some specific or collective scheme for redress where persons or corporate entities are damaged by the content created (broadcast equivalent of something like IPSO, or member of an ombudsman, arbitration scheme, or so forth). This could also be via a trust or charter (e.g. BBC, maybe Channel 4, or some foreign equivalent, or a print media type scheme where e.g. a newspaper also produces videos for KZfaq, possibly live). Finally: I have seen written elsewhere that BBC gave dispensation to watch the Queens funeral live without needing a license (Freeview/Freesat, streamed from BBC or otherwise). Did this "officially" happen? I would presume this might happen again for Coronation on May 6th 2023, and might also happen in times of crisis e.g. the government has triggered the emergency alert messaging feature on mobile phones (has been tested several times earlier this year, and presumably will be rolled out fully soon if it hasn't been already) or otherwise declared a state of emergency.

@tonytasker489 Жыл бұрын

I'm sure @chillijoncarne did a video of this & had a list of tv broardcasters.

@kelvinhoughton7953 Жыл бұрын

I referred to this in the last video comment section but I can't remember who the body of broadcasters was

@johngrice2246 Жыл бұрын

IF EVERYONE STOPPED PAYING FOR A LICENCE , THE BBC WOULD BE TELLING US WE NEED A LICENCE IF WE BREATH

@baylessnow Жыл бұрын

Rather than printing out all this bollocks, why doesn't the BBC just say "You NEED a TV license,..... for anything and everything!!!" You want to make a cup of tea, you'll need a tv license. You want to go shopping? You'll need a tv license. You want to sleep in your own bed? Yep, you best make sure that you buy a tv license! This 'robbery' ('cos that's what it is) needs to be stopped! Keep up the good work Mr Barrister.

@petethewrist Жыл бұрын

So basically we pay BBC TV licence for itv and any other channels. This just can't be it's like buying a cake in ice land but paying the at the butcher's. What a rip off.

@eddymaddix1786 Жыл бұрын

Quite a few countries have TV license systems - Albania, Austria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Ireland, Montenegro, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland

@Butanoshi Жыл бұрын

i am appaled at the greedyness of the UK government about this. Simply stealing money from people.

@jesterwaterwizard2917 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant again ,, always wondered about these things , thanks bud

@controversialrebel5639 Жыл бұрын

A very informative video, thank you for putting it out. Something worth considering, as I understand the legal position, to provide commercial television services in the UK, a licence from Ofcom is required. Assuming I am correct on that point, then (a) I would assume Ofcom have a definitive list of television service providers and (b) perhaps Ofcom can offer more clarity on the subject. Just my thoughts on the matter.

@marksnow7569 Жыл бұрын

That doesn't apply to online services (hence for example, although Amazon Prime shows live sport which requires a TV Licence to view, it doesn't have a broadcaster licence)

@stevesmyth4982 Жыл бұрын

Yo Dan, production quality is fine, those sound absorbing panels are doing a great job.

@Yonder792 Жыл бұрын

I haven’t had a licence for 3 years, never had any visits but I do declare no live watching. Then again I watch about one programme a week.

@craigboden9455 Жыл бұрын

Uk resident, never paid for a TV licence in all the 30 odd years I've been here. Never will do either.

@davidball4085 Жыл бұрын

Well done - this was very helpful - thank you.

@lynnecromack4933 Жыл бұрын

Some services charge for access to their streaming. That is technically not a braodcast. Why does the regulator see fit to have us pay twice for that service then?

@freddyeverready Жыл бұрын

A licence for a TV and you can't even drive the thing it's ridiculous.

@freddyeverready Жыл бұрын

My TV works perfectly without a tv licence 😁

@MrGrunter Жыл бұрын

You may be interested in looking at this from a different angle. Some German streamers that I followed a few years ago were in a panic over being told that they would need to pay for a broadcasters license, a cost that would be prohibitive to continued streaming. It was eventually deemed that as there was chat between creator and consumer, that content (posted video) was shaped by the consumer, the content was interactive in a way that TV was not. It was deemed outside of the scope of TV entirely and they all beathed a sigh of relief. Even if it is just an angle to give more reason to doubt it is worth mentioning.

@touchedbynature5445 Жыл бұрын

Excellent Channel Sir. Very Helpful And Informative.

@bigclivedotcom Жыл бұрын

Capita always seem to have relied on vagueness, threats and deceptive wording. I've had viewers say that they can't watch my live streams because they have no TV licence, and to me that means Capita has gone too far. If this becomes an issue, it would be nice to have a KZfaq check-box that blocks the BBC and associated channels from your feed. Or better still, just remove all those channels from KZfaq completely and let them to continue to use their other delivery services.

@BlackBeltBarrister Жыл бұрын

Yes! And I argue it should be 100% clear!

@MikeEves Жыл бұрын

Most people fear 4 words "TV licence detector vans". Hilarious 😂

@CL_73 Жыл бұрын

Very informative. Thank you 💪🏼

@shirlski Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much.

@NicMG Жыл бұрын

Haven't watched anything from BBC in a long time, nor have a paid for a licence nor do I want one.

@Night-Nicky Жыл бұрын

Very informative, thank you 💖🍀

@EditorJoe Жыл бұрын

Hi triple B, just found your channel today - appreciate your content. I work for an esports tournament organiser & broadcast company called BLAST. We have a consistent, year long tournament schedule with 7 events, usually 5 days of broadcast each. This is broadcast from our production studio, or from a temporary production gallery set up at the arena we are hosting from to various platforms like Twitch or KZfaq, our own website as well as some local TV channels in various different countries with dedicated regional commentary and hosts. The production value is fairly substantial, with a team of between 25-50~ of us working on the broadcast product of each event. EVS operators to directors, product managers, broadcast editors, talent managers, camera operators, broadcast engineers... The list goes on. We attempt to mentain a certain level of product quality across each broadcast and were even recently nominated for broadcast of the year alongside other notable products like Wimboldon. As far as I can tell, the only difference between our broadcast and TV in the description you've given is we don't primarily stream to TV. Is it therefore illegal to stream our broadcasts in the UK? Is it perhaps legal to stream on Twitch but not on an international channel like TV2 in Denmark for example? I am confused to say the least

@_koko420_ Жыл бұрын

When my family moved to the UK from the US about thirty years ago and they learned they needed a TV licence they contacted them. They informed them it's because broadcast's use their equipment to broadcast, to get the signal from point A-B. What I don't understand is, if you watch a show on the net, why do you have to pay? The show maybe aired throw airways but that's not how your receiving it at that time. Surely you can't charge someone if your not producing the product and the product isn't using your equipment to reach you. This might of made sense before the internet but not today.

@snakeman9902 Жыл бұрын

I went to court a couple of weeks ago, over 2 late payments over TV licence, they got their payments, it was a week late twice. They say they look at the payments over 3 months, then 6, then 12 months. When I went to court. It certainly wasn't what I was expecting, I went expecting a fair trial. Instead, it was myself, my mrs and the TV licence prosecuter. Sat around a small office table in a tiny room. So basically. It was at the prosecuters discretion, no magistrate. No magistrate advisers. In all fairness. It was very reasonable and so was the prosecuter, however. It could have gone so wrong.