How do you feel about Ram? (also pls subscribe)

a video on japanese players insane (imo) tier lists would be interesting

She dies fast Shows a Sol wallbreak as an example I'm pretty sure 90% of the cast can be considered low hpe when hit by that gorilla

finally a vid about May

Another guilty gear character like this is Dizzy, in +r and xrd she is agreed upon to be high or top tier, but at the top level she gets little to no results. And its not like Dizzy has a niche player base, she has a few really good players, but she usually doesn't make it the deep into top 8, if she gets there at all.

There aren't a lot of communication between asian and western community so idk how much we can talk about this kind of topic. But it'll be interesting to hear stuffs like how 2 polarising opinions affect balance patches, and do developers favor one side or the other.

Thanks for putting me in the vid LK! ❤👍🏾 also w vid

Weirdly enough i dont think she has a whole lot thats outright busted on its own Its how it comes together that makes it as good as it is and i think thats part of the problem with her performance history. Its so easy to over rely on one or two things with her and since her health isnt great she pays harder for those mistake than other characters do By that logic id say it makes sense that her representation is a bit lower than would be expected and more so why she doesnt seem to get as many results than characters like goldlewis, nago, hc or leo

Tournament results / stats can be a great indicator of a characters place in the meta, but I feel (personally atleast) that its def not the be all end all of a character as a whole, there is so many other aspects to consider

what i always said about Ram is that she is overwhelming, against Ram you never playing your game... you playing Ram's game. shes kinda similar to Nago and Happy chaos in that way the thing is, it only feels like she is strong because she is denying you of your tools, her game is not THAT good, it is weaker than Nago's or Happy Chaos.

The "Advantage" shown is a mod right? Where can we find it? I NEED IT

I feel like the issue isn’t her weak defensive profile but how her offensive one informs her players growth and exploration of the character. Outside of high level players when was the last time you saw a Ram run any kind of spacing trap? Or take time letting someone else move in neutral? Anything besides some of the bread and butter set ups you see sometimes? All of her nonsense is hyper optimal but it’s a problem. You need some push and pull in fighting games. You need some ability to get tricky. Like you can sort out around 70% of her kit in a day labbing, if you’re familiar with the process at all.

I call those choking hazards

I think the best description for Ramlethal is that she is a high maintenance character in this version, in order to convert your hits you need to be constantly taking note of what happened, where you are, what resources you have, what resources your opponent has and what is the right thing to do. Its a lot, especially when most peoples idea of Ramlethal is baby easy, its almost like half the people who say that about her have never played her at high level, if ever. But I digress. And in comparison to characters that are higher maintenance like Baiken, she doesnt have insanely oppressive okizeme and easy access to high low mix, relying instead on really favored strike throw rps and plus frames from oki. So you end up with a character where most people know what to do against her, since she is not technical and easy to lab out situations with, and where you can get reversed if the character youre against has good reward from their best situation. That said, if you can get past these issues and play around them and get into her most favorable situation, they Have to act and potentially risk their life, else you will run them over. This all leads to a very strong but unstable character given the current meta. I genuinely dont think you can solo main her if you want to win consistently, for some matchups in tournaments you are better off counterpicking. Since its not like she cannot win, but she can lose much easier than other top tiers. But she is still plenty good. I am currently focusing on Sol and Im kind of starting to think maybe keeping Ramlethal for some annoying MUs for Sol like Nago and Baiken might be a good idea. Sorta like you keep Millia for some annoying MUs for Baiken. And after all, Ive spent most of my playtime on Ram so, as per the Hobbit reference, "...why not...?"

To be frank her core issues (and strengths) are actually not changed since her Xrd launch where her ironically considered low to mid tier fairly consistently since like 2015 spring. I am mostly agreeing with the video but would expand on a particular topic The basic formula her conversion is something like get anything not standard hit (upped RISC, CH, airborne, OWA), build a an absurd amount of tension with a lot of hits then wallbreak with super/214HS . Which seems good in training mode especially if you get, but she offers like 180-230 damage for two different bars while simultaneously giving the opponent two different bars. So if she keeps doing that, her meter balance is absolutely not in her favor and the opponent is not exactly dying if they have above average health. Which is especially bad for burst, as it carries between rounds. She spends all her burst on offense, while giving the opponent an absurd amount of Burst meter as well which they can later use both offensively and defensively. The second major issues as the good part of damage gets added with the wallbreak (100/230 is an insane ratio), if she wants to keep the corner for whatever reason she giving up pretty much the half of the conversion damage. Her combo enders as supers/214 HS are designed to a way they're not flexible in combos as like Sol's clean DP. Enough about the cons part I would highlight two of her strength which is not really mentioned the video. The first kinda actually was but she can kinda pressure people risk free at the corner. Which usually does not mean nothing from mix/damage wise but she gets meter at will, also upping the tension balance. So with good resource management she can get nearly unlimited meter for whatever purposes (similar to Xrd) once she cornered the opponent. The second one is her sword normals are generally an attack level higher than most other characters counterpart (also true for her stubby 2D btw). Which makes her slash normals easily hitconfimable. Every character needs to somewhat commit or use some of OS-es to convert of non CH slash buttons. Even if the far slash into Dauro is underwhelming it is working 100% of the time and again builds a lot of meter for RC-ing during combos. Everyone knows how good her far slash is but with a level 3 2S Ram has a 10f, reasonably long, easily hitconfirmable, safe on block low. Overall I am feeling about the same as in Xrd. She is very good at what she supposed to go which enough to carry you about the semifinals of majors. But getting 9th or 25th at a premier from a financial standpoint is as good as going 0-2 ,so no pro players will invest ever invest in her. Arcsys wont ever erase her shortcomings as the 2D range or the caveats on the K button conversions it is perfectly intentional and fundamentally unchanged since he Xrd debut in 2014. Even if they buff her midrange tools (as they did in the last patches) it does not make her better as she already kinda the best there and normalizing her problem buttons like e.g far slash would not make her worse as her issues are not there. So whatever they write in the balance patch wont move her to up/down on the tier list even if it going to be seem a long list of changes.

is there a advantage display option in settings or is that a mod?

she kind of a noob stomper

Do you plan talking about Johnny any time soon?

A good example of this is Wesker from UmvC3 and Guile in SFV Despite being High Tier, Wesker never won a major and it took Guile over 2 years after his release to win a major, I remember one video in particular that showed every character in SFV pre-kage winning a major, EXCEPT for Guile.

I main Ram in strive and Makoto in 3rd Strike and both have this very same thing in common, lol

I've always felt like Ram has been demonized and upplayed at least a little by the community since the rekka nerfs. Before the rekka nerfs go off that was broken as fuck, but the Ram matchup has been learned by all the top players, and now defending the corner has Ram is far less safe than it once was. Many nerfs over time have changed the interactions around and after sword toss, and it's now far more fair RPS for the defender. Ram now has to make a lot more hard reads in the corner to keep her pressure, and opening an experienced opponent takes a lot of meter, and or, a lot of throws, considering her mixup options are pretty limited. Which is all to say, she's simply not as stable as she once was, Wild assault definitely helps, she can convert off more hits into higher wall carry combos, but everyone can so it's not quite as special as it once was. Ram's toolkit is also pretty confined, her advanced tech is pretty limited, and so doing something to surprise the opponent is pretty hard.

Damn... GGStrive aged you like a mf 😂 it looks great on you but I wasnt ready

what frame dater mod is that?

Imagine how strong Ram would be if Ram players knew how to play the game! /s

She is like May imo. People spam normals/specials when I see them usually. They have a really annoying super used in place of a dp that has incredible range and high damage. Only difference is that Ram has an incredibly annoying corner option from sword throw

I don't think Ram players push the character far enough. There is Gio and TY Gio. There is Goldlewis and Gobou Goldlewis, there is Potemkin and Snakeeyes Potemkin, Apologyman singlehandedly pushes Faust into existence. I don't think any Ram players are evolving the character beyond the initial kit.

In short, she's super good at being offensive but at the same time lacking defensive tools and options. Now, the long discussion: She's not really good against any type of corner pressure other than relying on Mortobato and the universal Burst/DS/YRC. Her mash buttons are not so good and doesn't really reward much compare to other characters. If you look at other characters that dies equally as fast like Zato, Millia, AXL, or even Jack-O, they all have really good mash buttons which being both fast, far and also guarantees a knock down for conversion. Ram's mash, on the other hand, does not really guarantee you a knock down if the opponent is at her 2K's max range. Like you said, her 5K and 2K can be considered as one of the best neutral pokes in Strive, but that's only if we excluding Ram's follow up options after 2K or 5K hits. For a Ram player to be successful, you have to be good at confiming fS on hit so you get to combo into Dauro or WA which allows you to go for a full combo or to start some close range pressures. Auto piloting fS into HS will significantly lower your reward on hit since you are just resetting neutral. Rekka getting nerfed not once but twice really hurts her risk reward factor when pressuring as well. Rekka ender does not HKD is somewhat understandable since that's pretty much her go-to combo option. But removing the rekka slow motion counter is a bit too far to the point her rekka isn't really that useful outside of combo. As of now, pretty much everyone would try to challenge her rekka when she has no meter since there's not so much risk if you lose to her rekka. The worst that will happen to you if you lose to her rekka is getting knocked away by the ender since her rekka cannot be hit confirmed into Dauro. If she tries to hit confirm rekka into Dauro she's most likely gonna get blocked and punished. IMO a good way to balance her rekka would be keeping the slow motion counter BUT increase her damage scaling with any combo using rekka as starter. Overall, she's still a fun character to play as. I still wish Arc can do a better job at balancing her moves, though.

Seeing Ram hit Faust from half screen just gave me some season 1 flashbacks. God I hated her back then.

Dhalsim in MVC2 comes to mind

What I got from this video is we need more NA Gios

Thanks you for feeding my coping mechanisms. As a ram main (floor 9 tho), I think the character is definitively op, but people make it sound like she's straight up unbeatable when in reality she has some really big weakness to exploit even in her corner strings. I enjoy mirror match-ups so much more because of that, it feels like the game gets on whole other level with mind game, because we both perfectly know how we can turn the tide against each other.

j.214S being a hard knockdown is lowkey the most annoying thing about this character imo. getting clipped by just one of the hits feels so bad lol

It’s like Pikachu in smash ultimate, consistently the Best character in the game on paper, but tournament track record is scarce if any.

Conversely, everyone seems to agree that Sin is the best character in the game but nobody plays him either

Jp is kinda in the same air as Ram

Melee also has a character like this. Falco has been doing really poorly, preforming worse than lower characters.

I was hoping this would be about May. I see every Guilty gear player on KZfaq or Twitch saying May is S tier, yet I never see results that support that. Why does this happen?

Wait does baiken only have one arm?

I think it's more or less how well people have downloaded your character?

Great video, still hate ram tho

that's what having so little moves do you

Random asf but this video made think of how obnoxious a combo it will be to Sin and Ram in the same team with the 3v3 mode

Even if a character dirent win a tournament dosent invalid is strength or potential… look at végéta ssjb in fighter Z, he barely win 1 major at max

Buff ram

23:48 At high level play she only goes even with zoners. It is not that scary 24:47 Anji handles sword toss the best out of all the characters especially with the new move that specifically good for countering afterall a fireball. Potemkin has flick which is a tool for countering zoners but does that mean he's good against zoners? No.

as a certified ram hater this video helped me understand

Didn’t sq win combo breaker last year??

I always say this on every Ramlethal discussion but she does not do well against zoners. She has a counter zoning tool but it's not the be all end all. Plus the Gio example of whiff punishing her normals is exactly why I feel the Axl matchup is even against her. She can counter my attacks but so can I. Look at her Faust matchup very carefully when he has items in play. Her matchups aren't as good as people say and they need to realize she's very strong in a vacuum but once you apply her to the actual game things don't actually work out that way. I see zero points about her most under reviewed attacked about Sword Toss. She can't spam it meaning her kit isn't as solid as people really think. Every sword toos needs a recharge and even if you get that corner explosion she still has to go over and get it to do it again faster but during that whole time she's defenseless. Top level play should be assumed but also mistakes. If Ramlethal player messes up and gets a sword toss interrupted or called out it's over for them. Because that means you can them consistently disarm Ramlethal. It's her built in weaknesses that prevent her from being truly top tier. Look at Asuka. Clearly capable of being the best character but the risk is huge if you mess up. If Ramlethal messes up she loses access to her moves and gets her attacks gimped. That's unique to only her and a few other characters which is something that shouldn't be overlooked. Ram with Swords : S Tier Ram without Swords: C Tier Happy Chaos with his Gun: S Tier Happy Chaos without his Gun: A Tier

i just wish she had a good anti air...i know she has 6p and sometimes 2hs, but those are more horizontal than vertical

How dare you talk about my waifu like that! But I do agree with you though.

It's lore accurate for Ram to be on the top tier of the verse, but no wins

Buff ram plz arcsys

So she's basically GG's R.O.B. The character you take to get top 16 but never win

We need to accept that Ram is probably top 10, but not even close to top 5 at this point

So, wait, her primary weakness is having poor defense? Well, that could certainly pose an issue if it was possible for her to be in disadvantage

She needs massive buffs imo, her hit boxes need to be more disjointed.

So her biggest problem is that she punches down the tier list?

I also feel like despite how many people play him and consider him very strong, it seems like there isn't very much Kyle rep in higher levels. At least not as much as you would expect given how many people play him.

I used to think Ram was easily the best character in the game but now that I’ve learned how to fight her I don’t feel that way at all anymore. I think Japan has it right.

It’s always the players :) (I’m not being serious)

You could really just block ram forever if you wanted too

But my brotha, lord knight, why did thoust use the alt of the lighter complexion? Brotha lord knight this is unacceptable! 😂

Ram is probably one of the most nerfed characters over the lifespan of the game along with one of the most practiced against. Back when people were starting to discover IB and Ram was part of the „holy trinity“-top tiers at the time, her Rekka was the easiest and most practical example of applying and learning IB. Plus she was just considered really strong and was really popular for a really long time, so a lot of players have practiced really in-depth vs Ram specifically. Ever since she has been nerfed pretty heavily, from the multitude of nerfs to rekka, over her runspeed, to finally the nerfs to WA and positive bonus last patch, which took away a lot of the power she gained in the S3 patch.

Top tier that can’t win? Sounds like they’re not top tier

Not winning = not top tier. We gotta go by the numbers/facts. Not gut feelings. They do the same thing to Chun in sf6.

shes just a noob stomper, nothing more

I said ram is mid-high from beginning and many Asia player agreed. But everytime i said same thing to any NA player , they pissed , i just dont know why she had such hate.

Ram looses because of Ram players

Nah, I’d win

Ram is just sf4 fei. Everyone says he is top tier, but he doesnt win anything

Never wins? Yeah... You're smoking some of the good shit.

FINALLY SOMEONE SHINES THE LIGHT ON THIS OVERRATED BOTTOM TIER CHARACTER.

Love how pot mains are putting more dubs on the board these days than rams. Glue sniffers stay WINNING 😤😤😤

publicly humiliate all ram players

Her weaknesses aren't that bad, that's why she's strong. So the reason she isn't winning big is that the community isn't playing her as much?

or?? the worst character who NEVER wins! AXL low!

This why i just hate the game at this point any hit i get i gotta gamble or gotta learn new combos cause they take old ones out and at this point im now realizing the conversion problem at this point im tired of it

She gets no wins cause she's boring and none of the TOP top players are playing her 💀

I like your content but Strive ain't it man

Lets have a look at the most boring character in guilty gear history