Exactly

I lose brain cells hearing his takes and thought processes

​@@christianarenas7839 I have to filter him out to reserve my sanity. It's just white noise until he shuts the fuck up

The entire time i thought, why would i want to pay six to ramp? Even for the small chance of hitting all double lands?

He likes cards that don't have much of a downside. He doesn't value boom or bust. People hate how much he likes meh cards that are rarely bad, but those are the cards that win in multiplayer.

That was the moment that made me think he doesn’t actually believe this shit and is just playing devil’s advocate for content. Using a mocking tone when describing an incredibly common occurrence is crazy. Might as well be arguing craterhoof is bad because what do you need trample for if you have so many creatures?

Really? It's common that you have enough power on creatures to end the game but no way to grant evasion or kill one player and protect yourself from the crackback?

@@BobardeZanzibar Not if I play cyclonic rift (the point)

Exactly lmao the perfect "whatever this guy says, do the opposite"

They've all adjusted their playstyles to be more similar to his.

Yeah, Raise the Palisade is a fantastic way for a kindred deck to punch through a board stall and win (or at least take out a player or two). Saying "it makes you arch enemy" is the same as saying "this is really powerful" and would only really be a problem if it didn't take players out!

Having someone so terrible at this analysis is such a power move for a podcast. What a great way to get engagement as people hate on his opinions

Me the majority of times Crim opens his mouth

Idd it's a stupid argument.

Thats most play groups tho if you are dropping bombs even if they are removed you are seen as the threat the rest of the game now i think they take it way to far and call cards bad for being good which is wild but its a factor you have to keep in mind when playing those cards

@@kingofsaltt3836 Yeah this is very common behavior lol

My brain can't comprehend your confusion. Move along.

Sucks to be you! 😅😂🎉​@@josephpayton7522

I will give him this if my pods were just me vs 3 Richards I definitely wouldn't play swords since he doesn't play any cards worth removing.

The Richard on anything that interacts with the board: useless, makes you arch enemy Richard on open the way: number one green card, love tapping out to ramp a few random lands, much better than ramp that gets untapped lands like skyshroud claim, or cheaper like nature's lore. It's not that bad but what the heck!? And I'd 100% attack someone that did that.

​​@@Spaced92but what about opposition agent? Lol Tapping out is okay on some turns because it can make other people feel responsible for policing the board and if people see their opening to drop a bomb, you just opened the way for your boardwipe next turn. Lol. It's a pretty casual card that's never actual terrible. That's the real reason.

Even in commander? I've been wondering how good it is in the format

I think that it should be an HM, but it is kinda niche

Only really a combo card in commandet

For 2 mana, it balances your mana, provides graveyard removal, adds +1/+1 counters (and likely activated abilities) for free and in any counters deck, it can be ridiculously broken, adding abilities to all your creatures.

@@Dragon_Fyre yes but most decks don’t need ALL of those just one maybe two, and there are always more efficient ways to do it. Not saying it’s not good I love that card, but the impact isn’t enough

I think he is just trying very hard to be controversial to get more people to engage with the content.

​@@avall0nNn1992People said the same thing about spot removal, fog, and secret rendezvous.

@@BobardeZanzibarokay but all of those things have some argument, but a ramp spell being better than a multi format all star

I mean i don’t think it’s that hot a take for casual commander which this podcast is about. It’s not a card you should put in every black deck. I took it out of both my Tergrid and Muldrotha decks because very often the damage and the body were just not impactful, and one of those decks plays wheels. Its impact is severely hampered by the lack of consistency in casual commander compared to modern and cedh for example, where it is one of the best cards of all time.

@@holstenmason I guess if nobody in your playgroup draws cards it’s bad, but out of the 3 groups I play with the most, bowmasters is an all star and only one of them is cEDH

I play both in my Eowyn deck, they both end the game almost every time.

I think in a vacuum, Taunt from the Rampart is better, card vs card… but Raise the Palisades can go in so many decks, where Boros is one of the least popular color combos (I think Boros and Selesnya are the least played based on EDHREC). It’s not that Roaming Throne for an example is too powerful (Mother of Machines is better), except that being colourless, it can effectively be in 80%+ decks. Mother of Machines, requires you to have White as an option. So because of that I think Roaming Throne is a far better card to have in your collection. The same goes for Raise the Palisades.

@Dragon_Fyre very fair, I just love how much it progresses the game (or finishes it). Great politics card to take out archenemy too. The color pairing really is the biggest drawback lol

Feel like the entire cycle is slept on. They are MDFCs that fix. The black one is 6 power super menace that finds its way into GYs almost for free. The white one is a bad anthem, but it fixes your mana in white, can the anthem is good enough it can find wins or times where you can force your opponents into bad blocks.

@@nathand6467The white one also can fetch Mistveil Plains which has uses in boros decks but the Jund ones are petty meh.

My Richard level hot take is that I think its a bad card :(

Definitely some of the best cards ever printed. Good all the way back to legacy.

This card is absolutely amazing. 💯

You can even do that. If you play a five colour clip commander lol.

He wins on commander clash because the environment is tailored to spectacle for the viewers. So a passive sit back and wrath and swing in game plan can often work. If players were more willing to engage in less convoluted of combos, or in staxy denial then such play patterns wouldn’t be rewarded. But they’re not as engaging for viewers.

If you follow Richard's philosophy, you win more games.

I feel like he only wins bc he’s the only one actually trying to win and he politics everyone into doing it by openly not running interaction so they are almost forced to have it

He said Etali is super strong. Is that actually a bad card?

Depends on your curve. On low cmc's, or if you value spot interaction highly, untapped lands matter. Tomer and Crim's play pattern would fit well in that category. If you play high cmc's like Phil, you can just ramp the first 3-5 turns, with minimal interaction with the board, then you need a turn where you have 8-10 available mana so that you can drop your bombs (blatant thievery) or have a double spell turn. A good indicator when play testing is if I have a shock land in hand, how many times have I paid 2 life to play it untapped on the first 3 turns.

@@justintolentino9222 Even with decks with higher mana curves I still like skyshroud claim. My point is that on curve, they are still about equivalent if you pay 4 mana for each. But if you draw Skyshroud Claim later in the game, its much more likely that you will be able to play it and another spell on the same turn rather than taking a whole turn off. And if you do take a whole turn off to play Open the way for 4, its more likely that other players might see that you just got so many more lands and thus want to punish you for it when you just took a turn off.

@@rizzzouWhy would they not be aggro against the person who just ramped 2 lands and played a six drop?

Wave Goodbye is the MVP for my X-Spell Tyranid deck, along with All Will Be One.

I get your idea but how often do you even need to blink a finisher? Normally it should set you up for the win or get you verry close at least. That is of course unless you play in the fog meta :D

He plays Secret Rendezvous, you’d think he’d understand.

Bc he does it for content. He’s not dumb he just wants the engagement

I survived also. I was nineteen, it was Saturday....

Okay, this convinced me, lol. I’m gonna put it in my Tyranid deck too.

That’s actually a good reason tho. It’s honestly already a hot take to have this on the list at all

Self-regulated here maybe, because they get salty if someone wins from anything but combat. That’s why they think fogs are top tier.

Yes you can you just bounce it to your hand and recast it. Or if you Phyrexian metamorph

Literally did the exact same thing

Lol that’s so good

Entering tapped is pretty lame ngl

And as if that wasn't enough already: Ward is a triggered ability as well, so for each Throne on the board, Miirym's Ward will trigger an additional time & if there's more than one of the chairs, their Wards will "bounce" up off each other.

Gets even more insane when you realize what else it doubles. Klauth, Ventmaw, Terror of the Peaks, Gnawbone, all of the Baldur’s Gate mythic dragons, the death triggers for the Kamigawa dragons, etc. Throne is good in a lot of decks, but ridiculous in Miirym.

@@xEddyTheGr8x yeah, good that you mentionted it. I knew it, but it got lost between all the triggers

For sure. At first I thought that it should always be played on curve like you but then I thought about it and realized it is heavily dependent on the current meta/pod. Basically the higher power you go, the earlier you want to play it bc you don’t have to worry about damage as much and drawing cards is better for combo/ high synergy decks. In lower power the one ring isn’t as good bc you won’t be actually using the cards by double spelling and it’s more likely that your opponents will all have creatures they can swing into you

Was it only an honorable mention? It got a whole section

I think the thing is, craterhoof is in green which just has a lot of incidental ramps, making it much much easier to cast than Moonshaker. In white 8 mana is really steep and you have to go out of your way to ramp into it, which often means you have to invest mana that you could otherwise have spent building your board.

@@1ryb360 Casting it isn't all that hard in white (especially white artifacts) though obviously green will have an easier time, but more importantly it's a lot easier to reanimate in white. That's why it's great in my Oketra. A solid chunk of the creature base in said 40+ creature deck fetch lands/accelerate my mana/draw cards because my commander guarantees every creature I cast comes stapled with several mana worth of value in the form of a body on the field, and I run a solid chunk of recursion since half my strategy relies on my commander (who is already hard to get rid off with the tuck 3 trigger). Both are easy S-tier finishers. In their respective colors they're obviously better than the other, but I can Natural Order a hoof, I can't NO a Moonshaker and that just bumps hoof up to S+. In my G/W Yasharn landfall though I can tutor up both extremely easy so they're both in there lol. Edit: I should note when I say "in their respective colors obviously better than the other" what I mean is the differentiating effect (trample vs. flying) are more relevant to their respective colors. Hoof will often win with only a handful of big fatties out that just needed the trample, the buff is a bonus. In white though the amount of big creatures you're running is slim so going over the top instead of through the toughness is more beneficial.

Is that while flying will close more games, in the games trample fails at, you're at least in an advantageous position. If you're forced to use Moonshaker against fliers you can end up with literally nothing.

don't listen to richard... or do, but do the opposite of what he says

Also, “under 50% winrate” doesn’t mean much when there are 4 players.

Richard is doing it for engagement. He’s too smart to have such a bad take unironically

In Richard's defense the big difference between the one ring and a fog is that the one ring fogs three turns, does way more than combat damage, and at minimum replaces itself. Like the reason why Teferi's Protection isn't called a fog is because it also lasts three turns

@@MakeVarahHappen The reason Teferi’s pro is good is because it protects all your permanents my guy, not because it lasts slightly longer than the average fog

@@baconsir1159 People Teferi's Pro without a wrath in sight all the time. I honestly think people Teferi's Pro to wincons more than wraths by a large margin.

Surprised no one tried commenting saying it's "typal" now lol.

​@@TripsAhoyjokes on you it's kindred officially now but i think that change only took with like half the community

@@donb7519 kindred now??? Wtf lol. It's always going to be tribal.

​@@donb7519The reason it only took with half the community is tribal meant two things before, which there are now two different words for. Kindred is just the old card type tribal. So to be "technically correct" you use typal, but to not have to use the word typal you use kindred.

9-10 is Cedh, if someone is fairly casting Etali that's not Cedh. It's a Gruul wincon, like Craterhoof or Insurrection. Strong but fine. 7-8 if you subscribe to power levels.

@@abstractsymmetricity I don’t think you can even apply a comparative score for CEDH to EDH. The worst CEDH deck is better than the best EDH deck. That is debatable of course as everyone has different opinions of what the difference really is but IMO the first rule is that fast mana (basically all the mana rocks that net more mana than they cost such as Mox Diamond, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Jewelled Lotus etc.) aside from Sol Ring has no place in EDH.

The difference there is that those clone cards require the commander on the field before they are cast. If the commander gets killed before you clone it, the clone sits in your hand. Roaming Throne can be cast before your commander comes out. If you have a 5 cost commander, you can cast the Throne on turn 4, and your commander on turn 5.

@@k9commander I don’t think that’s important enough for it to make it an autoinclude in decks. I think there add enough good 4-drops that function without another creature on the battlefield. For example, I have an Octavia deck. Duplicating her triggered ability would be nice, but there’s other

But do they have Ward 2 🤔

@@ComstarAgent I want to start off by saying that I don't consider any card an auto include. Not even Sol Ring. That said, Roaming Throne is a powerful card that if you wanted, could go into any deck where it greatly sinergizes with the commander. If you built the deck to be a Magecraft Spellslinger deck, then Throne may not do much and could be easily replaced. I however would built it as an Octavia deck. In that deck, casting one spell to turn 2 of my creatures into 8/8's would be worth the spot in my deck. I personally would play Throne over Gale. While Gale is 3 mana, it requires more set up for my version of the deck than Throne does. Gale does not flashback the spell for free. The value I can get from Gale is nice but I have to pay a minimum of 2 mana to make 2 8/8's whereas Throne does it for just the 1. Gale also has potential nonbo with the commander. The spells it casts from the grave are exiled. I need them in the grave to make Octavia cheaper. There is also the fact that I don't have to name my Commander's type. I could name Wizard and double the triggers of Gale, Emeritus, and the other Magecraft wizards in the deck. TLDR Throne is really powerful. Don't underestimate it.

Clones are blue.

Raise the Palisade is cracked

I’m not sure I really understand the first part of your statement, but as for it being a tapped land think of it like this: you have a land on the field, you tap it and go get an Island, you play that Island which essentially trades spots with the land already on the field, hence it being a “tapped land.” The only time you couldn’t feasibly do this is if you have no lands and only Lorien Revealed in hand, but then why would you ever not mulligan a hand like that?

it is a staple level card nearly at the level of sol ring and arcane signet, its so cracked

It's very very good thank God it's not mythic

It’s good but not at that level

@@holstenmason Wouldn't go this far, but it's very, very good. As time goes on and it wreaks havoc it will quickly go from mostly ignored to painting a big target on yourself.

Nah... It's a "doubler" and from my experience, doublers are win-more cards. It can put you ahead but doesnt really close out the game. If you want to just double the effect of your commander, why not just add a card that has a similar effect as your commander?

Vile

Wouldn’t it be better to stick to strionic resonator effects so you don’t nonbo with the attack trigger?

That's arguably where it's at its weakest 🍻

I get that it’s modal so can be used at different mana points, but taking your whole 6 mana turn to ramp 4 lands can be pretty detrimental tempo-wise, and that’s if it’s on curve. I feel I’d rather play Traverse the Outlands in a dedicated stompy creature deck that will take advantage of all that mana too.

Dude there is no way that you actually believe open the way is better than bowmaster or one ring

@@Jhit123 it’s simply not true though. There isn’t actual data backing that up and not to mention there are plenty of cards that ramp just as much that don’t have this exaggerated win rate

@@Jhit123 I understand it but it’s fundamentally wrong. Even using more anecdotal evidence, there is a reason that every person who has been playing EDH has a pubstomp horror story and it’s not bc someone played a mana crypt and someone ELSE “flew under the radar and won”. Powerful cards help you win the game, but people can still misplay. This is exactly why I agree with his assessment of the One Ring. People play it without a gameplan in mind and lose bc of that.