dude thanks so much I hear you! Its done a lot for me as well. I used to stay away from RC shops in my town because some of the people were so unfriendly lol but FPV pilots are a whole other thing.. its an awesome community!

Congrats n welcome bro, 1 big advice don't spend bunch on analog, invest in DJI FPV from da jump, it's rediculous, check any of my vids, all just goggle dvr superviewed, lol so easy

Flo-Rida FPV I wish I would have but got attitude v5 goggles and a taranis radio, and tinyhawk. Maybe once I build a 5in!

@@CaseyGray58 yup, just don't invest in analog bro

Max Beamer alright so I’m ready to build my first 6s 5in quad. I fully plan on racing, I love racing. I logged about 100 hours into liftoff since I got it Sunday lol. I love my tinyhawk 2 but it’s not enough. I want to be able to surf mountains and have range, and max speed. In liftoff I absolutely do best with the talon svx 220, ak mistral and the armattan mongoose I think. Should I try to build a machine that does both good, or if I know I’m gonna be in this for the long haul should I just build a 5in for race and a 5in for freestyle?

Is it rigid mounted, rock solid? Must be if the stand-offs are pressed into the mounting holes.

I was just gonna suggest you ask him 😂

you got it man what im here for!

yeh man it was a game changer for me!

interesting! for once I wasn't totally off the mark haha

Would either of you recommend mounting the FC below the 4-in-1 ESC?

same

As long as you have smart audo set up you can change everything on the osd thrugh the goggles

Go for it!

you got it!

yehh they not playinn

Legend!

for sure man you got it! welcome to the powaaa squad haha

awesome dude! first build warning: you don't want to set the motor output to anything outrageous and smoke the ESC lol

Thanks definitely won't..being new I have alot to Learn...lol

hell yeh thx dude

for sure man, having it up against the bottom plate is definitely doing something.. Im interested to see how it turns out on other flight controllers that don't use the bosch gyro

Max Beamer good point. Different gyros could react differently to being in the back

yehhh get on it bro!

Or save $ wait a few months for beta flight 4.2, feature that keeps motor rpm same regardless of pack sag, n stay 4s, n don't stress ur shit w 6s voltage...YW ;)

Flo-Rida FPV and 4s batteries are cheaper 🤙🏻

@@staticfpv881 yeah buddy and lighter and blow less stuff up

Thanks man that’s what’s up!

Heck yeh man they’re the greatest fr

Joshua Bardwell didn't do a very good job of explaining motor output limiting, at the time of his vid it had all sorts of bugs but I'm sure he'll revisit it at some point. as far as the PIDs I changed them slightly but not by 20% and not all of them evenly by any means.

Max Beamer ill edit my comment then,he’s great but I won’t take his word on everything lol. Also since you’re here I was wondering, I just watched your video on the 5 inch carbon fiber azure biblade props and they sound absolutely amazing in the GoPro footage, do they sound that way in person? I love the deep hum sound they give off but the GoPro could be amplifying it. Thanks!

they were supposed to send me some but the person I talk to is odd, I have some tmotor velox coming for a test ill do the pacers next (probably)

1850 is about where im at too, that's a mean setup you've got I flew the exact same thing for a min and loved it

theyre so trash

I haven't done an A B test but that's a good question about the amp draw.. it should be lower since you'd still be using a higher voltage source and its not getting limited until it leaves the ESC but ill have to check to be sure. zero desync, no changes in turtle that im aware of

Nope keep throttle the same.

not sure I understand the question but ill give it a shot. basically I get motors with higher kv that way I can limit them to whatever I want on whatever size lipo.. Since the limiting only works in one direction (cant raise the motor kv only lower it) as far as efficiency, limiting down to a certain kv is a little less efficient than actually using a lower kv motor but not by much at all to where id consider not doing it. and I haven't officially tested anything this is just from my experience flying like this over the last 6 months or so.

Max Beamer You answered my question to the T. 👌🏻 I appreciate the knowledge bro. Keep the good content coming

not really seen that but if you have a problem with braking just turn it off in blheli suite. You could also add a capacitor to deal with voltage spikes, I have a small 550uf on every build altho I recommend a bit bigger around 550-1000uf

@@MaxBeamer what voltage are you caps? Also I was under the impression the regenerative braking is needed to stop the props and perform quick manuevers and that the option to shut it off on blheli suite is only there because you don't want braking in air planes but from what I hear you really need it in quads. I have found adding caps on each esc and using individual escs helped me with this issue tons also fettec voltage spike absorbers are working amazingly well. Prior to using those two methods I was using 4in1 escs and one big 35v cap but those would always pop when I would put 6s on which that seems to stop happening when I made the switch to 50v so maybe the spikes were causing the caps to die and then cause damage to the esc since there's no more cap protection. Hard for me to explain this because I am still learning how to even understand how all this works but so far I think I got the problem solved by using individual escs and the spike abosrber and caps on each esc when I want to use 6s and high kv I use this method otherwise on 4s I don't have problems and don't have to do all the extra stuff it's only when I try to run 6s on some high kv motors like 2500kv or higher which isn't recommended but it's oh so fun when u can get a reliable set up running like that

I don't think so but they aren't that different at all, maybe the p gains are a bit lower on 6s with a bit higher I gains. gonna retune soon anyway on 4.2 ill make a video

@@MaxBeamer thank you for reply 😆😆 I wish to watch your new vid soon

yes 100% these are more responsive and feel great probably bc theyre a bit lighter.

Game changer is beta flight 4.2 that keeps rpm same so 0 sag felt on 4s....BOOM

@@flo-ridafpv5713🤔

Max Beamer yeaaa buddy soo 💵

they are grippy af!

nope. not if you scale it back to a proper voltage for the motor kv

what firmware version? if its betaflight 4.1 with rpm filters I use 24khz everything else as you wrote.

@@MaxBeamer i use FalcoX

I fly pretty similar in the sim, the main thing for flying smooth is rates, make them a bit slower or add expo and then try and use as little input as possible, just guide the quad and let it do its own thing.. It sounds counter intuitive but you'll get the hang of it with some practice.

I’d go with the aikon all day. they have the best quality control imo I’ve had hobbywing 60a burn up for no reason and come defective out the box before, they replaced the defective ones but even that process was a huge pain where I had to fill out forms and ship the esc back. I stand by the aikons.

@@MaxBeamer Understand, thanks for the clarification. Ive heard about the Hobbyw60A, however the micro20x20 40A then looks like it didnt come out with any sort of issues. looks like solid?

no the throttle limit will basically chop the top off your throttle rc output the motor output limiter will actually limit the power going to your motors from the esc and it will do so in an evenly without just chopping off the top end rather giving you an average decrease in apparent voltage as if you were running a lower cell pack.

FPV QUARTERS I recommend doing it from the goggles like I show somewhere in the middle of this vid or you can do a cli command of Set motor_output_limit = x ... where x is the percent power you want

yeh its exactly the same.

you can use that stack with 4 or 6s doesn't matter, 6 is gonna fly better but its a personal choice.

@@MaxBeamer Sry I was dumb at writing, i am about to build my first kwad and i mean if i should build it with a 4s motor or a 6s motor to fly it with a 6s battery

not lowering throttle percentage but motor output limiting yeh I get 4 min+ flight times and no sag. huge difference from 4s

@@MaxBeamer that's great man.. I have to sell some stuff...

for 5s id recommend 2200kv so that's about 90% limiting on 2450

Max Beamer thnx man. Great honest vids👍

Looks like I'm getting the following: 1650 ÷ 2450 = 67% 1750 ÷ 2450 = 71% 1850 ÷ 2450 = 75%

What's the best 6S out there? I normally run the CNHL 4s 1300's.

yep those kvs are spot on I have my 2450 TOAs set to like 74%.. the BEST 6s is the thunderpower adrenaline but I run the ovonic 1000kv their like half the price and 90% as good

Dont wait a few months for beta flight 4.2, feature that keeps motor rpm same regardless of pack sag, n stay 4s, n don't stress ur shit w 6s voltage. ;)

Well doing this on 4s esc or fc will be instant 🔥 haha don’t do it unless rated for 6s voltage should have mentioned that

Max Beamer Definitely make sure to check battery rating. Cooking voltage regulators are not fun. Some flight controllers you can get away without having the regulator, but means you will need a battery to connect to your pc in some cases. Been there done that. Betaflight f4 flight controllers

love the stack too its my go to for everything.. Motor limiting in BF is different it doesn't limit throttle instead limits voltage to motors effectively changing the KV to whatever you want!

@@MaxBeamer This is amazing. You've just saved me a whole lot of money. I run 2700 KV on 4s so I'm gonna try this today and limit it down to like 1950KV for 6s. I really appreciate your insight here man.

Yep u sure can.

Thanks man I wish I knew this a week ago lol

they feel pretty similar to me I have an A/B test video coming soon. theres a few other minor differences as well I think if any real difference could be in durability over time.

@@MaxBeamer you should get some ceramic abec 7 bearings and swap them out. See if that makes a difference. I really want a set of 2306 for 5" and 2507 for 6", but I'm super poor atm....

I make most of em lol

good question! sounds like a video idea..

great question, im not 100% sure i'd have to do some tests but it feels really similar I can say that much.

You should be good but that's some big ass motors for 5 inch, any mishaps can get you in some trouble lol

@@MaxBeamer yes I agree

That works too just set output limit around 81% that will get you a good kv (around 2200kv) for 5s

@@MaxBeamer thanks man going to try it😉

if you already have a 6s quad you don't really need to do anything but if you want to use 4s motors with the limiting to be able to adjust KV you absolutely can.

@@MaxBeamer okay awesome do you think you can get more fly time with this? And thanks for the reply

@@sosoapy8154 I could be wrong but I think the only way to get more flight time was to lower the throttle percentage, it’s just that you have a much more powerful setup so you don’t notice the dip in performance. I’m not super experienced in this hobby but I think that’s right 😄

I actually went back to 24k recently I had some odd issues on 48 all esc settings are stock I think it’s the dynamic filters but not 100%

@@MaxBeamer What kind of issues did you have? I had one quad have massive bobbles on 48khz. At 24khz pretty much gone. Also are your ESC recommendations still the same? You still building your quads with FC at the back?

stay tuned!

That's a tough one, they are so different and so much of the cinematic stuff comes from the pilot and rates. They do fly pretty differently tho so for versatility id go brain but for out the box cinematic only id probably go flightone.

@@MaxBeamer cheers mate went with the millivolt, I'm pretty much trying to copy your build just stuck on witch motor will be best without breaking the bank, iv been looking at the Gts v2 2207 2500kv?

@@MaxBeamer Also whether you put a random F4 fc vs BrainLi you still are going to run betaflight so no much difference right? Imo as ive tested cinewhoop beatflight vs FL1 its a compromise flighttime vs better performance and stability control.

Gio Fpv the brain fc uses a different gyro with better internal filtering before betaflight gets to the signal. They also run their own version of BF fw bc of the Bosch gyro’s locked 3.2khz sample rate

@@MaxBeamer good to know, im not that expert about it but now i definitely wont get rid of that spare brainli ive got in my drawer. Cheers man. what about the ESC question i am hoping to get some info?

haha you're missing out!

this is true! probably should have mentioned that..

the new esc are so great not having to worry about things popping especially if your still running 4s on a 6s esc is bulletproof for yu I have em and still run 4s haven't popped one in like 5 months

Game changer is beta flight 4.2 that keeps rpm same regardless of pack voltage.... so 0 sag felt on 4s....BOOM

yes, you do

doesn't what increase vibrations?

@@MaxBeamer limiting the KV rating on the motor to run 6s lipo

not at all.

6s motors are just a range of kv between like 1600-1950.. by doing this you can have any kv you want and adjust until its perfect for your setup or change kv whenever you need to anytime from the goggles

Max Beamer ok I’m new and just bought parts, so he was like what, if 4s motors r cheaper but I can make the faster then y waste money on 6s motors lol thx for clarifying