Yeah, it is convenient being able to play this game on Xbox 360, but I think they went overboard this graphic effects.

@@gabrieleriva651 Vaseline edition, lol.

​@@WTFBOOMDOOM y'all know you can turn that off right? At least for the most part.. I had to do a little cc to get the contrast to similar levels in the console, but it's an unlocked console for the most part... I think there was a pretty functional text or i n i file so you can test anything in real time and then save it later.. I remember having to do some adjustments to get it to run the way I wanted it to on my 7800 GT, but the in-game menu as far as visual settings was pretty good overall, only thing I remember in specifics was messing with the color balance, like contrast brightness etc.. but as far as post-effects go, nowhere near as bad as it's contemporaries or even modern games, just didn't have as much contrast is all... Probably cuz I turned them off first thing and don't even remember. Very very minor inconveniences for a stable 64-bit release with both games, especially if you look at the difficulties they're having just getting the pixel shader to run correctly on the original.. that and you get all the new combat mechanics and improvements to the controls and gameplay etc.. pretty much every aspect of the the game had been polished and improved and added to... The enhanced graphical Fidelity for the original was just like you know bonus I guess, and if they had changed the way that fundamentally the visual style worked then that would have been something worth complaining about, but given that you can turn it off and adjust it and have your cake and eat it.. and also play through with a fully flushed out version of the same system that for either technical or budget reasons etc... like they had it good and mostly cuz there's not a lot of contemporaries that work on its level but, it was massively improved for the remaster and sequel. Wouldn't be minor if you couldn't change it.. like most of its contemporaries, but you could... And the bonus of a significantly expanded melee suite, 8-way fluid peak, gunplay that was fun gunplay for the sake of gunplay in its own right rather than a really nifty accessory of tools that just complimented the other gameplay.. which is you know still pretty good, but the re master was actually good, not Wolfenstein New order good, but you could see where they were going to get there when you look at the assault on dark Athena package.

Still, its crazy to think that Crysis came out just two years later. 😳

@@Baxtexx sometimes I forget how mind blowing Crysis’ visuals were on release. Today I do think Crysis 3 looks much better in some ways, but of course it came out years later and it’s not an open world game like Crysis so they’re perhaps not really comparable. Really hope we get Crysis 4 someday, but seems like Crytek might still be on somewhat rocky footing financially. Loved their work on Hunt Showdown though.

Shadows were super impressive, just like the ones in Doom 3 and Prey

​@@Starfals Half Life 2 was even better, though.

@T D True, looked good but not much else there.

Woah, I never even noticed that Doom 3 excluded self-shadowing on characters! WTF? The funny thing is that when I tried playing both Doom 3 and Butcher Bay on an old Pentium III 1Ghz computer (with Radeon 9700 Pro GPU) Butcher Bay runs about as good as on Xbox but with settings maxed out at 800x600, albeit with Shader Model 2.0 settings and not 2.0+. Doom 3, on the other hand, slows down VERY easily when just running around and any time you gib an enemy with a shotgun the frame-rate goes down to single digits for a couple of seconds. Makes me wonder what could be causing the performance disparity between the two.

@@Banzeken Doom 3 pretty much demanded Pentium 4. Riddick aims to have fewer but more prominent lights, so I think there aren't as many shadows to calculate.

@@Silikone Yeah, that makes sense in hindsight. I guess the abundance of objects (which do self-shadow if I remember correctly) decorating the environments along with frequent use of transparencies in the form of windows don’t speed things up either. I can also confirm that, yes, a Pentium 4 1.5Ghz Willamette computer will run the game a hell of a lot more smoothly than it ever did on my 1Ghz PIII board using the same GPU, RAM type (PC800 RDRAM) and RAM count (512MBs).

Doom 3 vanilla ( no mods), as it comes, supportd everything you said, except bloom. They disabled self shadows because with stencil shadows it looks blocky on some parts. If you look in the code, they had some attempts of shadow mapping and hdr , basically another renderer, not optimized.

What riddick had was a better interaction shader, looked more alive with brighter highlights

The darkness doesn't get recognition it deserves such a great game.

Wolfenstein 2 is bland communist propaganda.

The first Darkness is up there imo

@@saratov99 Just.... What?

@@jack_knife-1478 i wish the darkness would get a pc remaster it's such a good game but atleast you can stil play it on all the new xbox consoles even series x

It was also a great example for how good Vin Diesels voice is for gaming

theres a remake already included with Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena

Bro are you using Internet Explorer or what? We've been agreeing on that since forever.

Agreed

The Two Towers and Return of the King for PS2/Xbox/GC are also very solid

Nice dude, I have an OG Xbox I bought off of eBay I have a lot of games for it but I haven't tried Chronicles of riddick yet I heard it was one of the most graphically impressive games on the system.

@@nareshsookraj9230 You definitely need to play this one! The graphics are dated now days, but the game is solid.

@@HiN00bs12 grow up.

@@HiN00bs12 grow the f up already

@@nareshsookraj9230 graphics impressive for a console at that time, terrible framerates😬

The xbox version was the one I played too. Graphics were just amazing

That happened to me with Xtreme G3 Racing on the PS2.

yeah that xbox game was above the other console by miles. There's was nothing that looked like that on Gamecube or PS2

The mighty OG Xbox

@@frankjoz2803 , "it's not the fall that kills you, [SPLAT!] it's the sudden stop and the bottom"; bro, that's such a fantastic moment.

I believe it was THE first one. Doom 3 came out later, we even got a nice letter from Carmack congratulating us for beating them to it.

@@andersbackman3977 I could be wrong, but wasn't Shrek the first game on the original Xbox with normal mapping? It was also the first commercial game that implemented deferred shading, and from what I can tell they also made use of stencil shadows

​@@MrGreatDane2 Any game on the original Xbox that used DOT3 bump mapping technically also did normal mapping (DOT3 stores RGB values in textures), which would also include Halo: Combat Evolved. As for which game was the first with DOT3 bump mapping/normal mapping in general, I believe it's Evolva (PC, 2000) which received a "bump map patch" a couple of months after its May 2000 release to accommodate the then-new GeForce 256 and GeForce2 GPUs.

@@Banzeken that's true, but I believe that Shrek was a release title similar to Halo, so then it's still part of the first Xbox titles to use normal mapping Also, Shrek's lighting solution is fully real time similar to Riddick, which I believe was the aspect that intrigued viewers the most

@@MrGreatDane2 I agree on both points.

It's not shameful mate

Not shameful at all, they were awesome.

you know I keep forgetting that they had made that third one, and I really did dig it like I was going to like it no matter what because it was an r-rated riddick, and after just like I feel like I learned more from riddick from the game cuz well for when there's more there to begin with LOL who's the first movie I saw in the theater after I broke in my back and have been in bed for years, I was like getting everything up and running I could move around and sit down and things and I could kind of do everything like like I had done before possibly even better cuz I've been working out for a solid year, or going out with friends for the first time in in years and just enjoying kind of kind of enjoying the shit out of it like even if that ending was like I get that you didn't want to kill off riddick or anything like that, you could have done like a lot of different things there and and still had like a cheesy happy ending that would have been better but that was like 5 seconds of it, and it didn't really fucking make it any different to be honest like it just proved that Katie Stockholm can deliver early sci-fi channel dialogue which I think is a skill really... a lot of people give it shit a lot of people give a lot of things shit though honestly Chronicles of riddick should have been given shit cuz it wasn't ridic like riddick was there, but like riddick things weren't there... didn't hate it though had no idea what it was about no idea why they made it he looked kind of cool I wasn't expecting much cuz it was p13 I didn't get much cuz it was p13 and I had no idea that pitch black existed at the time. I had a really fun time discovering pitch Black that it existed that there was an actual r-rated like good movie with riddick this whole time... it's like finding out that the crackhead on the corner used to be like a fucking ninja or something like that could breathe fire will probably still can you know you don't lose that. perfect pulp for me it really was and as far as like the interface between him and John's and the interface between I can never remember her name or maybe it's pronounce it's like rasheeda or something, I thought that shit worked perfectly actually going back is an adult and watching it, and Keith David just kind of you know I feel like every time he shows up I get like a a bonus happy point that stays permanently and I feel like the world does too... but yeah, I'm really glad that he got to go make that third one I I'm not sure why he did some of the things that he did in it given that he got to go make that third one, and I think at that point he had some serious clout in his career, not that he didn't before actually like he's kind of been all over the place throughout the industry... but honestly it's his fucking character he can do whatever he wants with it, and one thing that him and Vin Diesel have on this character is that Richard b Reddick is always Rich would be really he never is not that, it's a simple character but it is such a fucking cool character... and every time people make a most badass people and video games list and he's not on it I get very upset, like it was Morgan Freeman a dumpster baby with an umbilical cord wrapped around his neck that was raised in a killer bee killed sci-fi universe and escaped from all the good prisons anyways,? well you know we'll find out I guess it felt wants to keep moving that character forward, and he has done some prison breaks... and I'm pretty sure riddick would fucking got him like a fish, and I say that with respect for fish because they're not easy to gut necessarily like they're actually you know they got scales and shit is actually a harder puncture than like an animal carcass sometimes actually most the times... but I have a sneaking suspicion that should they ever negatively cross paths I mean one moment you'd have Gordon Freeman and the next moment you'd have like a lot of crowbar wounds puncture wounds and he'd be getting sucked up into a barnacle or something and no one would ever find him again... I still don't know why Gordon Freeman's on these lists I have nothing against him but he's not a character, and I have a sneaking suspicion he was an intern at black Mesa... obviously former military given his gun play, but I'm pretty sure he was an intern probably using the GI Bill and gotten some robotics or something at MIT I don't know maybe he had Rich parents but, do you really think the guy that has a skills with rocket launchers who pushes a cart in a test chamber for a bunch of people that have clipboards is part of the union lol so I think he gets too much credit for everything, and riddick gets not enough credit for things... passive anger expressed violently it's like having your cake and eat it too... pure primal rage with the self-control of Sam Fisher, and possibly one of the very few if not the only although I will say very few just to you know give Credence to anybody that has actually tried to flush this out cuz I'm sure somebody has but possibly the only badass motherfucker walking around in sunglasses, indoors, that actually has a reason to and it's not just being a douche, and their goggles too... usually you got to be a super deuce to have goggles on indoors... that's a magical shit right there and that is some badass shit right there. I always loved like pure survivors and that's riddick and a nutshell I don't like nobody does for fun I don't know if he can do that anymore I feel like his lifestyle probably has led him to a lot of situations that maybe that's the fun it seems like he has fun, you know you got to make your fun where you can... I'm assuming on when he's not involved you probably sleeps or something, but they left that shit open, cuz he ain't some weird asexual fucking serial killer neither he's a regular creepy serial killer.,.. so you don't be embarrassed about liking those movies cuz honestly like them for riddick... and everybody will tell you that pitch black was not bad movie it was a good movie and it was riddick Chronicles that sucked and the third one kind of sucked it was disappointing or whatever fuck that noise, pitch black wasn't exactly children of men or the player... but it was damn fine sci-fi pulp, and it had the things that needed to have to make it work... so the third one and and and at that point really it really just needed ridic, cuz at this point just watching a riddick do riddick things is just kind of a treat, and how often do we get treated to being able to like actually do riddick things while we're experiencing riddick do riddick things... that's a multimedia experience if I've ever had one, fuck I think there's an animated episode too, so they really did the whole multimedia delivery now I think about it. not sure why that never really like works out or something, possibly because you're trying too hard or something... my point is it's not like Gordon Freeman's a pussy or nothing, I feel like he's charged through enough running gun fire to at least get some PTSD awareness for his silence, but he ain't no riddick so take him off your fucking bad ass characters list and take everybody off Mass effect off that list too seriously, feel like shepherds too emotionally fragile to be on that list, the only emotionally fragile character on that list that should ever be on that list is Mandy and Mandy doesn't have a video game... yet

Jake Dill bro what the absolute fuck

I think this is, perhaps, the only time a video game based on a movie is actually better than the movies. That said, I don't think the movies are terrible. The last one was decent too. The animated one was okay too; don't remember it too well though.

i played the darkness 2 and really enjoyed it, especially the story which i totally did not expect to be so well and believable written and then i found out that darkness 1 is console exclusive

@@MKR3238 it's worth getting an old cheap ps3 or 360 for it. Darkness 2 was done by Digital Extremes, the folks behind warframe. The original Darkness is Starbreeze/Machine games. It's an amazing fps with an incredible story. Much better than Darkness 2.

As a bit of curiosa regarding Darkness: If you spawn the bomb Darkling (suicidal communist one) and the minigun toting female Darkling (GI helmet capitalist one) they will argue the pros and cons of capitalism vs communism on idle moments in the game.

and it was removed from history sad

@Ioannis Stefanakis not for sure the details but it was renoved

@@NaterBalls You can still play it I think.

Speaking of Resident Evil, RE2 on N64 actually has DRS depending on what scene you were in iirc.

theres a remake included with Assault on Dark Athena

@@Elatenl GOG has Dark Athena, so you can get it there. EDIT: Never mind, not anymore :/

Yeah i have this Remaster but i mean a Next Gen Remaster ^^ or a sequel that would be dope

@@Elatenl it also has compatibility issues tho, three years ago i remember trying to run it on my gtx 960 windows 7 pc and failing to even get past the main menu. I doubt its gotten any better

@@beegyoshi6525 Exactly, it's a real pain to get it working, and even if you do, the controls feel weird and even though the game runs at 60fps, it still stutters while looking around, making it less enjoyable. Too bad there aren't any mod out there to fix these problems.

yeah right ! i did forgot about this gem too.....it was so gory , the dismemberment was on point , the combat and difficulty was good balanced, and the lighting also was on point too ....man, this made me feel old , but as a gamer, those years were the best !

@@offlinegamer6756 You nailed it... a definite golden era of PC games, and an amazing standout game... technology and gameplay for 2001 were so far ahead of it's time.

@@jong2359 thanks....also do you remember Red Faction with the destructible environment, the Jedi Knight games, the originals Need For Speed ones , Splinter cell and many more that really made us very proud to be a PC gamer back then , so much good memories!

And reflections, physics... it was one of the most impressive games for it's time.

There is an even earlier game with the same type of lighting. Gift from late 2000 (for PC, and 2001 for PS2) is a platforming game made by French studio Cryo (not to be confused with The Gift made by 1C Company the same year) that uses light and darkness as a central gameplay mechanic and like Severance it has static and moving light sources which cast stencil shadows from both characters and the environment.

Ah yes, Abbott! He was actually pretty convincing. Him and Hoxie are iconic characters, they really truly feel like part of the riddick universe

I think people just dismissed it as a movie tie in game which generally don't have a great reputation

You are right about one of those things...

Wasn't FF: TD a 2006 movie?

Td is fun for a few watches,then it's kinda cheese

@@oneandonlyjark I believe so. That’s why I said “film”

and it was removed from history sad

Yeah Riddick was amazing. They create also new series of Wolfenstein, really awesome games too

It's not backwards compatible with the Xbox One?

the game has been removed from history sadly

@@NaterBalls you can download the PC version on Amazon for $20.

Its not listed on the Xbox store, which usually means its not BC. I've often considered picking up an OG Xbox just for this game. Oh, and for PsiOps: The Mindgate Conspiracy too.

Yeah good old Ray. Such a great actor was Mr Tracing.

Yeah, pretty much everything can benefit from ray tracing. Unfortunately it is very difficult to inject ray tracing into older games beyond screen space ray tracing, which is often too limited in my opinion. True ray tracing, to realize the benefits of it overall, need to be able to sample off screen assets and lighting.

Yup, ...... 2fps! Lmfao

@@PhillipLemmon , depends on the ray tracing effect, and the effect dictates what type of optimizations can be done. For COD MW the RT shadows are a very nice touch and don't impact performance much for me. I'm able to do 4k 120Hz at max settings with RT shadows. For Metro Exodus, the GI implementation runs very performant for me as well, I played at 1440P 60Hz at max settings. Though most of my experience with Metro was with the 2080 ti, I've picked it back up recently after I got my 3090. Edit: Corrected my Metro refresh, muscle memory typed 120Hz, I believe it was 1440p 60Hz stable, which is still quite acceptable. People need to understand the performance is quite variable with ray tracing. It depends on effect, quality of the effect, resolution, instances of effect on screen at one time (if it is reflections, is there a small puddle or is the entire room reflective...etc). And even then, optimizations can be done. Part of the perception is that initial ray tracing implementations were not well optimized, since it took the devs a while to develop those optimizations. Now it is common for things like reflections to have reflectivity cutoffs. For all ray tracing effects to have the option to have ray counts be a fraction of the output resolution, mixing of ray tracing reflections and shadows with things like screen space reflections and shadows (ray tracing working where those fail)...etc.

pretty sure you can get the RT to work with reshade and on the sequil I think they even have 16 bit colors... and since the sequil has this version with better graphics and controls... just everyone go buy dark athena if you can find it.

No it wasn't. It was pretty good, but it was far from the best.

@@arnox4554 I'm not saying best of and I'm certainly not the person to ask never having owned an Xbox or a console.. but what was the best game?

@@jakedill1304 Well, there's no best GAME so much as best GAMES. In this particular case, a game can be the best in its genre on the consoles it was made for. And in this case, for first person shooters on the original Xbox, the award clearly goes to a three way tie between Halo CE, Halo 2, and Timesplitters 3, with Unreal Championship 2 and Far Cry Instincts Evolution probably being the runners up.

I’d say Burnout 3 and SH2 were better.

would be nice... cept pretty sure everyone who worked on this is at machine games now... which I'm ok with given the wolfenstein games.

Everyone at Starbreeze left after we released Syndicate, most including me went to Machinegames while some moved to Hazelight. Starbreeze is still exist as a company but none of the staff have worked there for many many years.

@@andersbackman3977 God bless you sir by the way I'm not going to lie y'all have created some really foundling experiences for me, I know a lot of people didn't give a shit but when I got dark Athena and I could I could I could run it yeah, I think it was a 7800 GT I made it work... the combination of of the gameplay loops that the detail and just the character control and my OCD had me just sinking into that game doing things over and over again to be perfect and just feeling like a total badass the entire time I don't really care what people say I even thought the shooting was really good actually, it was what people would call clunky but it felt like you were actually holding a weapon it felt like you were shooting a weapon and and maybe it's just cuz I come from the tactical shooter world that the idea of guns that spread and have ballistics didn't really bug me... and to be honest any game back then especially back then but the first and the second that let me just riddle bullets with with fuck you little corpses with bullets LOL I needed that shit in my life... and by the way Wolfenstein kind of working for me in a similar way it's a little different because you're not ridic ul... but I'm getting the same level of therapy. not going to lie I haven't been able to really sit down and play a video game in probably 2 years now, but when I have I've been loading up Wolfenstein and just killing nazis, I don't get far I don't sit for long but it's just enough... and again that level of control that you guys put into it, I really just I wish more games would fucking have it like I get that you don't have to lean corners but it's nice to be able to I may not do it all the time I may just do it because when I go up to a box with a gun my first thought is I should kind of get behind this box and maybe lean over it it feels natural... I don't care if I have two assault rifles I don't know what carrying to assault rifles is like I've never really gotten past one, I don't even know if I could... but I can lean around boxes and I can shoot and when I come into a game and and my movement is restricted to this simple form and I can't move around the environment or or contort my body in a way that really isn't that complicated anymore, and and should be the standard for any first person game regardless of what you're doing I don't know just thank you guys like I had a feeling the moment I put it up in the water there was something familiar about it LOL and yeah I feel like just the idea that the riddick games would live on in BJ blaskowitz for one I don't know how well riddick and flaskowitz would get along oddly enough riddick seems to get along with everybody he doesn't kill and BJ's a nice guy he's not a pussy and riddick likes killing people so I don't see why he wouldn't like killing Nazis you know if there's like money or pussy in it for him, but if they had to do a body swap I think he'd be okay with it probably have to fix his eyes but you know I don't know fucking night... and you still and you still let me shank the fuck out of people, even though I didn't have to it's just nice that I can that philosophy is so underutilized in video gaming and and it bugs the living shit out of me every time I hear the term streamline I want to punch somebody in the fucking face... cuz cuz streamlined is me trying to make sure I'm in the right clip zone so I can use the auto lean around a box or you know have to fucking dip in and out like I'm trying to show my dick off or something like that at a fucking college frat party, I don't know I could go on and on I never figured I would be in the same text space as all y'all but anybody who worked on any of those games y'all really did something I don't really there's no ifs ands or buts on that one and I hope you all keep doing it hopefully the switch over with Microsoft doesn't fuck you in the fact that you've managed to make complex gameplay actually work on consoles and prove that it can be done, or which more people would do that cuz I'm kind of tired of the excuse you know it's been 20 years of that excuse and I thought I was never going to have to put up with more than 10 or so before consoles would eventually get modern control schemes I never occurred to me that it was the The gamers themselves that didn't want it so yeah I'm going to stop before I go into another rant LOL but thank you guys I really appreciate it I really do it's kind of weird cuz some of the highlights of my my youth were trying to trick animations in the second one to make sure that every time I stabbed a guy with a knife it would do that double stab where it would shank him in the gut and then shove it down his throat which is kind of complicated cuz it kept trying to rip his gun over and shoot him in the head but again thank you for letting me do that I like being able to do things that I want to do in games it's a rare treat...

@@andersbackman3977 also sorry for the lack of paragraphing and formatting on that one, I used speech to text and I'm standing out here trying to smoke a cigarette in the rain LOL hopefully some of that gets through but if you can't read it just thanks dude I really really really appreciate all y'all and thanks for not dissolving into obscurity either and and keep i

@@jakedill1304 No problems about the formatting, and thanks for the praise :)

It's good. I wouldn't say it's one of the best ever lol.

Play it as is rtx overrated.

@@HondaAccordPerformance no

@@DeterminedFC yes. Last of Us Part 2 no rtx required.

The only game(s) I want remastered is Need For Speed Underground 1&2 with original soundtracks and customization. Unfortunately, never happening...

@@user-fe2oh8oj2u Those too, fantastic games, truly fantastic.

Agreed, I'm missing the old format. I know it's more work but the videos 2/3 years ago like Shenmue were brilliant.

@@Garrad3 The love and care that went into this videos was awesome. Always getting a bit nostaltic re watching some of them.

Yea that's pretty accurate. I'd add F.E.A.R to that list of good shadowing too ig

2004 was an amazing year for graphics, especially shadowing. Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow, Doom 3, Half-Life 2, The Chronicles of Riddick, Thief Deadly Shadows and more

@@bosyogurtlight +Far Cry

@@TheScure yup

Thief Deadly Shadows as well

Exactly lmao

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That's ma'am!

Xbox or PC version? nothing to do with licence on PC if it doesn't work, it's just broken if that's the case and you would need to install an older OS to play, if it's Xbox you can buy the 360 version of Dark Athena which has Butchers Bay included on Live for £12.

@@wing0zero xbox, but I dont see that bundle either, I've searched but only the movies come up

@@jeremyriddle1884 Riddick, either version isn't backwards compatible so no dice on anything past Xbox 360

@@jeremyriddle1884 , I googled, Dark Athena xbox, and the first page had multiple places to purchase it. It is an Xbox 360 game. It may not be available for Xbox One via backwards compatibility (you'd have to research that yourself), depends if Microsoft put in the time to make it compatible (each game requires some effort).

@@JimBob1937 yea I can see it for purchase on 360, but found a thread on the support page from 2019 where they said they were putting BC on hold to bring it to Series consoles, but that also the rights are somewhere put in the Esther now and that they wouldn't be able to touch it. Hopefully that changes cause this really was a great game, it got me into stealth more than splinter cell did.

yeah, those two fuckers that wanted to stab me in my own cell know what i'm talking about !

You can't even buy the game. Licencing issues?

I loved Riddick but what you say is simply false the animations in Cyberpunk are some of the best seen in a AAA game.

@@jaigray5422 you mean how your character disconnects from the guy you're choking, or the absolute jank that's your character's shadow... yeah, real top of the line stuff right there.

Been waiting forever!!

Not underrated by anyone.

Not only do they not feel good, they look like toys or something a 10 year old child would draw/describe what a pistol/machinegun/shotgun would look like hahaha

Yeah, not sure what they where going for with some of those designs. Almost like they forgot they where making a Doom game or something.

@@gamerxt333 I kind of get what he was saying about like the initial design though... it's weird though I I never really had negative feelings about the shotgun I probably modded it like immediately when I had issues with it... I know I I immediately opened up the ini for the bullet holes and the corpses., like God the single bullet wound limit, especially considering how many bullet holes you put in people... I'm not sure what that was about, or why it wasn't adjustable but when you put 20 rounds into somebody to kill them and there's only one hold left, kind of awkward right... kind of confused also why they like force that into the engine for quake four, I feel like that was like this weird Bob's situation where there was like layers of management involved or something or maybe I'm reading too much into it and seems like a lot of people into shooters don't really pay much attention to what they're shooting they just like the shooting part, I know for possibly one of the best decisions I ever made was immediately as soon as I opened up stalker I started pulling out the script files and readjusting the zoom on the AIM because that just threw me the fuck off how zoomed in I was to that pistol and made it really difficult to shoot I did that and I changed the whole fuck ton of parameters actually with the bullets in the physics to I think I was trying to go from realism actually, but initially just I changed all the the way the view models were working out for that, getting rid of tracers etc the treasure chest box that was that game for the weapon modifications for stats and whatnot, I've been watching a lot of recaps on with stalker a good game and I keep forgetting that I did that on minute one and kind of had a different experience I guess than anybody else, especially the close range bitching and people were talking about cuz I could use the iron sights and still be able to move through the building comfortably... that being said I don't remember changing the spread on the shotgun initially so I was trying to beat the game like the way it wanted to be beat back then, I don't know like the gameplay loop for Doom 3 was so well executed and initially I didn't think I was going to like it especially having come out of far cry and rainbow six three and all the tactical shooters I usually play at the time but I did in the end it really did win me over and that just the chaos and whatnot and possibly I just didn't really worry about it that much... but honestly this one shotgun I like so much better I think it looks better for one because it objectively has way the fuck more shit going on but also the the way shooting works in this game everybody bitches about it, but the way the bodies were hit the particles with just the attention to detail on everything and the way the weapon was held in the hand, especially in the remake where you had that ready aim position with the zoom, I don't know I feel like I'm the only one that kind of really enjoyed the shooting in this game... but then again maybe it's cuz I play a lot of tactical shooters so I was always just kind of used to my bullets never going anywhere near the crosshair.