The Comanche and Mongols | How Horse Archers TERRORIZED the World

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Dates and Dead Guys

Dates and Dead Guys

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EPISODE DESCRIPTION
Despite being separated by oceans and their reigns of power being centuries apart, there are eerie similarities between the societies of the Mongols and the Comanche. Aliens?… of course not. But in this episode I do take a look at the similarities between their culture and the likely driver that makes societies have remarkable parallels. .
Their range was far beyond that of the typical societies of the time. It was made possible by their grassland geography and use of the horse. They provided them mobility. They paired the horse with a bow and arrow and created forces that could rival any army in the pre-modern world.
Their life as nomads contributed to both the Mongols and Comanche developing brutal warrior cultures where cruelty and raiding were the norms. The treatment of enemies was a chilling testament to their strength.
don't forget to share your thoughts in the comments. Mongols or Comanche - If their civilizations met, who would make it out as the greatest horse archers of history?"
VIDEO SECTIONS
00:00 Introduction
02:15 Horse Archers in the Grasslands
08:18 Warrior Culture and Cruelty
13:45 Comanche V. Mongols
RESOURCES
Three books and a variety of online resources really helped me in researching this episode. I encourage you to check them out. The most significant ones are listed below:
Comanches: The History of a People by T.R. Fehrenbach (Book)
The Empire of the Summer Moon by S.C. Gwynne (Book)
Empires of the Steppes by Kenneth Harl (Book)
“All the Khan’s Horses” by Morris Rossabi
Natural History, October 1994
afe.easia.columbia.edu/mongols...
Rangers of the Republic of Texas 1836-1845
www.texasranger.org/texas-ran...
Ten Other Men Left Genetic Legacies So Huge They Rival Genghis Khan’s
www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...

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@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
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@ahappypikachu9753
@ahappypikachu9753 7 ай бұрын
Fascinating Video as always! Do you think you could do one on Dr. Joseph Medicine Crow; the last Crow-nation war chief, who brought his people’s way of war with him to the Western front of World War Two?
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
@ahappypikachu9753 he is on my list of folks I would like to do something with. In the meantime, if you are looking for something on him, check out episode 94 of History on Fire. It’s a podcast. Danelli Bolelli did a awesome job. He gives the history of the crow then tells the story of JMC
@grizwoldphantasia5005
@grizwoldphantasia5005 7 ай бұрын
There's a book, Comanche Empire, by a Finnish professor. One of the side effects of nomadic culture is that if you kill a buffalo, deer, bear, or other large animal and don't share it, you are throwing it away, so it is not only moral to steal that excess before it goes bad, it is immoral to not steal it. Hoarding was the cardinal sin. Europeans had factories, mines, workshops, and the workers to run them and savings to build them, and stores and warehouses to distribute them. We are all familiar with this. When these two cultures met, they were utterly foreign to each other. The Comanches saw farms and ranches and stores as hoarding, and it was immoral to not steal what they needed. Then they'd come back the next day to trade the same stolen goods for horses or textiles or metal tools, and the Europeans could not understand this brazen attitude. I'm sure I've paraphrased this much too simply. It's a fantastic book.
@Armchair.extraordinaire-bo5mv
@Armchair.extraordinaire-bo5mv 7 ай бұрын
I know I stole from you yesterday, but that was yesterday. But Today I got stuff to sell, what's the problem lol
@jameshill8493
@jameshill8493 7 ай бұрын
@@Armchair.extraordinaire-bo5mvI mean it didn’t look like you guys were using it
@steakeater4557
@steakeater4557 7 ай бұрын
@@Armchair.extraordinaire-bo5mvselling? It’s just sitting there.
@HanoiHustler
@HanoiHustler 7 ай бұрын
The Mongolian empire was no joke.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
It is just unreal how powerful they seemed to be. Although, when they left the steppe, a lot of that seemed to fade. When Kublai Khan started South and they found some trouble, especially in jungles. Go figure.
@jondohnson5538
@jondohnson5538 7 ай бұрын
I can shoot an arrow through a fleas arse @100 meters on the run… that’s a fact.
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 7 ай бұрын
​@@datesanddeadguysthe jungle is a major problem for ANYONE not from there. Look at Alexander when he got to inner India, sure he won the battles, but his troops started getting terrified of what they were walking into. Is the middle east part of the steppe??? No, and they crushed them with ease whenever they had a royal family general. Mamluks just got lucky Mongke didn't die 6 months later or Hulagu would have crushed them as well.
@kday6340
@kday6340 7 ай бұрын
@herbthompson8937 it's always surprising to me that India has won any military action. Over a hundred years of competing in the Olympics, and they've only won 10 gold medals with two of those in individual sport. They have such a large population that purely by chance they should have won more, but they haven't. Are they statistically the weakest humans on the planet?
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 7 ай бұрын
@@kday6340 the way they treat women in that sh!thole country, they might be the weakest men on the planet. As far as winning battles, I would say terrain, elephants and outnumbering by alot their opponents would be why they won some battles. Up until the Timurids, no one really was able to get to the interior of India. Imagine seeing a King Cobra or Tiger for the first time, hahahaha I'd be running in the opposite direction as well
@eugeneariz4395
@eugeneariz4395 7 ай бұрын
One thing the Mongols excelled in is the resupply issue. The had plans in place where they could move a desired distance, often up to 100 miles and have an advance group already set the camp up with food and sanitary issues taken are of. They also drove their domestic animals on campaigns so their food issues weren't a disadvantage to a mobile force
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely. When you get your supplies on the go there is no need for supply lines. It creates a logistical advantage other civilizations had to deal with.
@googane7755
@googane7755 7 ай бұрын
​@@datesanddeadguysRight no other settled society had this advantage and this meant that the mongols could conduct campaigns thousands of kilometers away for years on end. Where they went made no difference as the saddle was their home.
@frenchroast1355
@frenchroast1355 7 ай бұрын
Love the idea of making a Comanche bow video. Heck yeah. That way I can get jonesed about yet another project to add to my already ridiculously large list. LOL. Yes please.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
I know the feeling. I have to get on it. I have a pipe dream of taking it out for deer season.
@mfischer2948
@mfischer2948 7 ай бұрын
Your Grandfather made some stick bows. He also hunted deer with a longbow.
@JaMeshuggah
@JaMeshuggah 7 ай бұрын
I too wish to see the bow video.
@jonahhex8178
@jonahhex8178 7 ай бұрын
​@@datesanddeadguysyep. Definitely get on it. I've been planning on a winter bow project for ten years now and it ain't happened yet. Maybe you can inspire me to get off my tail and do it this year.
@davidmuir7711
@davidmuir7711 7 ай бұрын
I’ve often pondered this question. In my estimation I see the Mongols as a corporation. Organized to the nth degree, with leadership at every level trained to serve the corporation. Once assigned to a unit the leader and his men were going to see it through. The Comanche were not so structured, young warriors could opt out if they wanted and run their own operations, so unified cohesiveness was not their metier’. I believe Khan and his Mongols would have prevailed.
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 7 ай бұрын
It's not even a question
@googane7755
@googane7755 7 ай бұрын
Mongol tribes were actually just as unorganised before Genghis Khan came along. He had to make tons of reforms to make them the absolute war machine we know today. He even had to decree that no looting was to take place before the enemy was defeated which shows just how highly organised the mongols became by the end of his life.
@alienlife7754
@alienlife7754 7 ай бұрын
Oh without a doubt. The Mongols did not use stone age weapons like the Comanche and pretty much all native American tribes did. Now if the Comanche were given guns it would equal out more, but the Mongols would still win. Almost guaranteed.
@darinbianco3827
@darinbianco3827 7 ай бұрын
Voting "Yes" on the Osage longbow.
@schneejacques3502
@schneejacques3502 7 ай бұрын
I think a better comparison would be Comanche vs cossack since they were in simlar time period and cossack were supposedly good cavalry
@G0rdy92
@G0rdy92 7 ай бұрын
Cossacks would clear right? They were a blend of “Western” style combat and nomad. I mean Russia used them to beat and subjugate nomad factions like Mongols, Tartars, Turks and others that had millenniums of nomad warfare experience/ took and subjugated empires themselves. Comanches were relatively new to the nomad lifestyle with much less experience than the Steppe Tribes Cossacks beat
@EchoVortex713
@EchoVortex713 2 ай бұрын
@@G0rdy92Cossacks only advantage against nomads were their firearm .
@wellersonoliveira5334
@wellersonoliveira5334 7 ай бұрын
I been called indian my childhood/teen years,( even today) but now I take as a compliment. Proud of my roots and love your videos my man ❤💪
@Endwankery
@Endwankery 7 ай бұрын
What tribe are you descended from?
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. You have a fascinating history.
@deepindersingh8781
@deepindersingh8781 7 ай бұрын
Bro wtf are you talking about? you’re not an Indian you’re an American. if you’re an Indian and who the fruck am I. Learn some friggin geography you friggin dumb wits and stop confusing everyone
@wellersonoliveira5334
@wellersonoliveira5334 4 ай бұрын
​@@Endwankery I am from Brazil, my aunt was indigenous. But the thing is, I never got to even know her. The sad thing about our history here is, Its destroyed to a level, most people don't even know they are very close related to "indians". In some ways, Its was worse than the US 💔
@user-cq7et8km7v
@user-cq7et8km7v 7 ай бұрын
Please build and shoot the Comanche bow!
@georgeford6439
@georgeford6439 7 ай бұрын
Comanche were picked on by other tribes supposedly. The description here would also tie in that they were of smaller stature, hence their prowess on horseback, and fighting atop their mount. After gaining horses from the Spanish, whether directly or indirectly, they were feared by even the Apache. The Comanche along with German immigrants in the Texas Hill Country, honored a treaty between both parties 17:58 duringlatter part of 19th century. The Easter Fires in Fredericksburg, TX. Still honor this tradition. Also check out the Pacific War Muesem, interesting history of Admiral Nimitz and Japan at the end of WW2 and a tradition that is still honored by the Japanese to this day.
@J-S-VAL
@J-S-VAL 7 ай бұрын
bow video would be awesome!
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
I am excited about that one. Could for sure be a disaster but that just means a second try.
@randysanchez931
@randysanchez931 7 ай бұрын
I’m glad I have Jicarilla Apache, I love these types of videos where scenarios are made possible with great knowledge. One thing I do know is Apache tried not to travel at night and Comanche used it to their advantage. I think it would be fitting for the Sioux vs Mongols. Sioux had impressionable numbers like the Comanche, and were just as unified if not more so. The Sioux as children bred for battle, and played a game they basically named War where they would reenact and often get injured, and these were children counting coup for fun, wanting to get to the battlefield as soon as they could. Don’t get it twisted - Comanche had built a complex and vast network of manpower, trade, and communicable resource that was centrally controlled as well. The Comanche came down from Northern regions to follow the Buffalo. Coincidentally the newly eastern Sioux tribes moved out west towards the Black Hills and upper plains just a little before the Comanche exodus. Sioux and especially Lakota and Minneconjou warriors often were large and imposing figures, Chief Touch the Clouds was somewhere in the 6”5’ range and Lakota had average height of 6 feet or more. Contrasting as to where accounts of SW give Comanche stature of a short (termed possibly the shortest of known tribes) and often plush or chubby figure, less ideal of a foot soldier, and unlike Apache descriptions of SW accounts. In Sioux accounts they often name a worn down and skid-dish tribe I’m not familiar with, I’ve often wondered if it was Nūmūnūū. There’s a reason Comanche refer to the Sioux as cut throats.
@travispetersen3042
@travispetersen3042 3 ай бұрын
Did the Lakota and the Comanche ever meet in battle?? It would be interesting to know the outcome and research it!
@mannydiaz5941
@mannydiaz5941 7 ай бұрын
The bow would be so cool looking forward to that video
@Tonhaoreal
@Tonhaoreal 7 ай бұрын
I haven't even watched it yet, but dude... The Mongol Horde was the most destructive force, ever. As terrifying as the Comanches could have been... yeah. I'm not criticising, super hyped to watch the video, keep it up!!
@Tonhaoreal
@Tonhaoreal 7 ай бұрын
So I would say the Comanches were nimbler on horseback, just on the fact that they wore less armor, had more manoeuvers and were so confident to boast their prowess in the face of battle. Still, Mongols were far superior in tactics, range, armor. Sounds like the Comanche would fall so easily for the Mongol bait in a pitch, like, in warfare they were no where near each other.
@Tonhaoreal
@Tonhaoreal 7 ай бұрын
Now, I think the romans could be the ones to actually beat them, in the steppe. You would need resourses to tear up their plains and make trenches, ditches, pits, an army of balistas to give you cover and as many fortifications as you can get. The most resourceful army ever is the best pick for this.
@atomizedart411
@atomizedart411 7 ай бұрын
yes to the bow video. would like to hear your researched technic.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
The Comanche have a super unique shooting style. Lars Anderson has made some videos on it. They shoot with the arrows on the opposite side of the bow that you would expect. They kept a clump of arrows in their bow hand and would reload over the string in on motion for rapid fire. They also didn’t draw as much as the plucked the string. I am going to look like a goof but I am excited about it.
@HanoiHustler
@HanoiHustler 7 ай бұрын
Never forget the Gurkha's .😱 Gurkha's vs Apache
@randysanchez931
@randysanchez931 7 ай бұрын
Comanche had power in numbers - trust me unlike the guerrilla Apache, there was no issue “locating” a Comanche number on the war path campaign or a large and intimidating camp. It was their haughty nature and aggression that made them marvelous. Spanish Governor of New Spain was so enamored by the Chief Querna Verde he immediately offered his support rather than try to subdue. It was like he became ingratiated by servitude to the Comanche, and this was a only a fractional portion of the western Comanche bands.
@HanoiHustler
@HanoiHustler 7 ай бұрын
I want to build some bows, about to get started myself.
@thegreatermysteries4134
@thegreatermysteries4134 7 ай бұрын
Great episode. More like this, please. Also, would love to see the bow-making episode/series.
@kyleward88
@kyleward88 7 ай бұрын
Osage self bows are a blast to build a shoot. Good luck! Thank you for these awesome stories
@danielcombs3048
@danielcombs3048 7 ай бұрын
Another fantastic and interesting perspective between the two waring factions. I agree that the mongols had an advantage. Because of the sheer numbers, weapons and armor. But also there pure determination. Didn't they march Themselves and elephant's 🐘 over the Alps too fight? PS yes I would like to watch the production of your long bow 🏹. Thanks for all your insightful knowledge 🐎🏜️
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
The catheginians marched the elephants over the alps. It was an expedition led by Hannibal in the Punic wars. The mongols did fight war elephants though in India. They did not like it. They scared their horses
@mr2981
@mr2981 7 ай бұрын
Horses didn't come to America until the Europeans, so the Comanche certainly didn't have anywhere near the time with horses that the Mongols did.
@danielcombs3048
@danielcombs3048 7 ай бұрын
@@datesanddeadguys ok thanks, I stand corrected. I will have to do a better job at learning history. And that is why I watch your blog. Appreciate it. Thanks you very. much.
@galenbjorn443
@galenbjorn443 7 ай бұрын
Love these kinds of videos, do more!
@WildBill-kf2pc
@WildBill-kf2pc 7 ай бұрын
Hope to see you very soon. Well done as always.
@chrishappysofar2090
@chrishappysofar2090 7 ай бұрын
Interesting comparison, well worthy of a discussion. Thank you for the video
@user-nz1jy2lg6v
@user-nz1jy2lg6v 7 ай бұрын
Very informative video. Thank you for sharing it with us! 🙌
@cryptomnesiac
@cryptomnesiac 7 ай бұрын
Great content as always dude. I wish times were easier and I could contribute more, but I make sure to share your vids with friends n family in the meantime.
@Jibily1
@Jibily1 7 ай бұрын
Can't wait for your channel to take off. You do great work, dude. Keep up the awesome videos!
@AlexHellene
@AlexHellene 7 ай бұрын
Really being enjoying your videos mate. Keep them up
@mfischer2948
@mfischer2948 7 ай бұрын
Very enjoyable, a what if video. As far as Roman Legions vs horse archers read about Crassus vs the Parthians.
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
He was a rich guy. I am sure they just thought he would love the taste of gold.
@mfischer2948
@mfischer2948 7 ай бұрын
Ouch...that's hard to swallow!
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 7 ай бұрын
They got lucky Caesar was murdered. Caesar would have gotten the revenge he wanted so bad.
@stephenkenney8290
@stephenkenney8290 7 ай бұрын
​@@mfischer2948Oof!
@stephenkenney8290
@stephenkenney8290 7 ай бұрын
In all seriousness though, even the fractious Roman civilization of the first century BCE would be the best choice to fight nomadic armies. Their mastery of logistics, adaptability, a massive pool of manpower, and an utterly insane drive to achieve victory would make them the best choice.
@jeffalbillar7625
@jeffalbillar7625 7 ай бұрын
Yes to the Comanche Bow and to more videos like this. I greatly appreciate what you do, Brother.
@carleto9597
@carleto9597 7 ай бұрын
Very interesting comparison and good video. Ya, You can make the Bow video, and follow through later on of making of the arrows on the plains. Thanks for the video.
@kazzak873
@kazzak873 7 ай бұрын
awesome video as always brother 👍
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@Rufusthered186
@Rufusthered186 7 ай бұрын
Looking forward to you making the bow. Great channel btw
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho 7 ай бұрын
Great video! Interesting topic, would be cool to see a vid of you trying horse archery!! Also the Mamluk Turks were great at halting the expansion of the Mongols into the rest of the Middle East and Egypt, mostly because they too were horseman and had a large trained cavalry
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 7 ай бұрын
The Mamluks got lucky, that's all. Their horse archers were a watered down version. Mongke died which forced Hulagu to return back to Mongolia with 80% of his army, leaving a bum general, Kitbuqa, behind. And once Hulagu came back to finish the job, Berke started the process of the Mongol Empire starting to splinter by allying with the Mamluks against Hulagu because he was butthurt Hulagu destroyed Baghdad. If Mongke died just 6 months later, the Mamluks would have been easily run over.
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho 7 ай бұрын
@@herbthompson8937 I see the internal politics of the Mongol royal family influenced the outcome of that conflict, thanks for sharing
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 7 ай бұрын
@@DavidAguilar-wo6ho I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho
@DavidAguilar-wo6ho 7 ай бұрын
@@herbthompson8937 I’m being grateful that you shared your knowledge on the subject, that’s all
@herbthompson8937
@herbthompson8937 7 ай бұрын
@@DavidAguilar-wo6ho sounds good! I'm a huge fan of most of the steppe armies. The Mongols really were so close to conquering from Pacific to Atlantic. A couple untimely deaths screwed them. But in the end, I blame 2 men, Berke and Kublai for the downfall of their empire. Berke allied with outsiders, the Mamluks to fight against Hulagu. Kublai became the Great Khan and just decided to allow everyone be semi independent instead of forcing his power on everyone.
@georgerivera6970
@georgerivera6970 7 ай бұрын
Really cool subject matter! Great video
@raycouch6953
@raycouch6953 Ай бұрын
I enjoy the way you tell stories the very interesting and fascinating at the same time you keep the curiosity up keep up the great work you make a great storyteller
@Thecathunter
@Thecathunter 7 ай бұрын
Very good video. I would like to see how your bow turns out.
@jameskirkpatrick5569
@jameskirkpatrick5569 6 ай бұрын
I recently found your videos and have been bingeing them and fell asleep to your multi choater video on the apache. Would love to see a video on your comanche bow making it and shoot8ng it eventually
@Nogi520
@Nogi520 7 ай бұрын
Great content
@allshewrote928
@allshewrote928 7 ай бұрын
Well done, sir.
@rossburney8713
@rossburney8713 7 ай бұрын
New upload? My Saturday just got way better!
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
I love hearing that people look forward to these.
@outtherefaraway
@outtherefaraway 4 ай бұрын
Phenomenal video! Thank you!
@JM-nm3bg
@JM-nm3bg 7 ай бұрын
The Cumanji (Cumans) got their butts kicked bad by the Mongols. Most were then drafted into the Mongol horde but many took refuge in Bulgaria, the Byzantine Empire and Hungary.
@justinwynn7946
@justinwynn7946 7 ай бұрын
Love the info. But you gotta do something about that lighting, my man
@10laws2liveby
@10laws2liveby 7 ай бұрын
I agree with you that the Mongols would have taken the Comanches's, but Aleksander is in a hole different league.
@wyrickb
@wyrickb 7 ай бұрын
Would love to see a video on your osage bow! Ive always been fascinated with Native American culture, thanks for these awesome videos!
@chadouellette790
@chadouellette790 6 ай бұрын
You do tell a good story! Got me watching videos all day!
@jdghok
@jdghok 7 ай бұрын
Great video
@Ulysses3113
@Ulysses3113 7 ай бұрын
Very interested in seeing your bow etc.. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
@channelbelongtous
@channelbelongtous 7 ай бұрын
Funny you mentioned the deadliest warrior show. It was dumb, so is this contest of 'who is stronger, X or Y'. Your regular content is so much better
@monique8433
@monique8433 7 ай бұрын
❤ love your stories
@datesanddeadguys
@datesanddeadguys 7 ай бұрын
Love your comments. Thanks for watching.
@BrionK
@BrionK 7 ай бұрын
Do the bow! Would love to see the build and use details. Love these match up, compare contrast videos. Would like to see leadership and elite/special team comparisons like the kesikten & yassa emissaries vs. the lobos & big horses.
@zman3886
@zman3886 7 ай бұрын
Actually, The Macedonians did face off with horse nomads much like the Mongols. They were the original horse lords, the Scythians. It seems the Macedonian phalanx is well suited to fighting horse nomads, but really only when in local terrain and able to get good positioning. They might be able to stop a charge or endure volleys of arrows, but it matters a lot less if your enemy can simply outmaneuver you.
@s.wvazim6517
@s.wvazim6517 7 ай бұрын
Love this
@dmason8078
@dmason8078 7 ай бұрын
Good one
@yakamen
@yakamen 7 ай бұрын
What sort of mad genius decided this was worthy of scholarship??? YOU SIR. YOU ARE A BRO. Thank you for convincing me I needed this in my life.
@jamaalg9906
@jamaalg9906 7 ай бұрын
I love the Mongolians but i think the show was more about a 1v1 as far as i know. I agree that if the two armies were to clash the mongols would win. But a 1v1 would be very interesting! You should delve into this more!
@coldenhershey857
@coldenhershey857 7 ай бұрын
The idea of Roman legionnaires squaring off against Comanche horse 🐎 archers is intriguing. The Roman Gov/General Arrian wrote a tactical manual for fighting horse archers called the Allani, also keeping in mind that the Roman soldier was better equipped and trained than his US counterpart of the 1800’s where conscripts were known to desert their post. Romans were keen to take care of there own!
@edwardkuenzi5751
@edwardkuenzi5751 2 ай бұрын
A hundred legionaries would be slaughtered on the great plains, but I don't think any mounted archers could conquer the Roman Empire in its prime. The environment is everything. The strength of Rome is the ability to put enormous numbers of fairly well trained people in the field and replace losses. Logistics wouldn't allow such a large army of infantry to operate on open grassland and a sedentary society doesn't have enough people with the requisite skills to fight effectively while mounted. That's why the Spencer Carbine was such a game changer.
@travispetersen3042
@travispetersen3042 3 ай бұрын
I would love to see a video on the making of an Osage bow.
@skaagkaal2613
@skaagkaal2613 7 ай бұрын
Good luck with the self bow regardless if you decide to film the endeavor. You'll learn a lot just from the ordeal even if you don't get the product you envision or heaven forbid the bow breaks. Bow making is fun and I recommend Jim Hamm's book "Bows and Arrows of the Native Americans". I also recommend using weed trees invasive to America like Russian olive if it's in your area to learn on.
@travispetersen3042
@travispetersen3042 3 ай бұрын
Would you consider doing a piece on what might have happened if the Comanche and the Lakota Sioux had met on the battlefield? I have often wondered who might have come out on top in a fight between these two great tribes of horsemen.
@doop6769
@doop6769 7 ай бұрын
The Mongols would have destroyed them. They had superior military tactics. The Comanche were mostly raiders and lacked the organization and structure to wage war. If the Comanche had the bow of the Mongols, that might have balanced out the armor the mongols wore. So the Mongols could outshoot them being able to take more hits with an arrow. I'd also add in the quality of who they conquered. The Mongols won against organized militaries and defeated many nations and types of armies, so they needed to adjust tactics to their enemy. The Comanche basically used their horse skills because they were the only ones who possessed them. The Mongols could match that taking their biggest advantage away. And if the Mongols took out their war leader, the rest would run off. The Mongols had a rank structure to assume command if one went down.
@lmccampbell
@lmccampbell 7 ай бұрын
push forward regardless the satisfaction of crafting your own bow is worth more.
@darin7369
@darin7369 7 ай бұрын
I've made two sinew backed osage bows and they shoot every bit as good as my fiberglass recurve of the same draw weight.
@JonBrown-po7he
@JonBrown-po7he 7 ай бұрын
The mongol practice of 'counting ears' was ghoulishly parroted by American soldiers during the Vietnam war.
@dougearnest7590
@dougearnest7590 7 ай бұрын
I'm shocked -- SHOCKED - at the thought of the History Channel getting something wrong! Please tell me this video was supposed to have been posted on April 1st. Otherwise, a great episode, as I'm sure you already knew.
@guntertorfs6486
@guntertorfs6486 7 ай бұрын
Ahaa , the promised video !!
@user-uy7ys5bz2p
@user-uy7ys5bz2p 7 ай бұрын
Greatest episode ever🎉 0:01
@trisgilmour
@trisgilmour 7 ай бұрын
Please make the bow video
@evan7743
@evan7743 2 ай бұрын
“Geography shape cultures.” Indeed.
@danlee1835
@danlee1835 7 ай бұрын
Still waiting on an episode of the White Mountain Apache
@Music-lx1tf
@Music-lx1tf 7 ай бұрын
Great show, I liked it. The idea of mounted horse archers goes way back. The Assyrians back to around 2200 BC. Yes they had their ups and downs like a third world stock market. And at their peak they had 3-4 armies with up to 250,000 men each.
@mikedared5969
@mikedared5969 7 ай бұрын
Love what your doing! Thank you
@a2backfire143
@a2backfire143 7 ай бұрын
Seeing the bow finished would be sick
@henry-thepizzaeater-morgan704
@henry-thepizzaeater-morgan704 7 ай бұрын
Doityourself Comanche bow tutorial? By All means Go all ahead ! 🤩
@mer171
@mer171 7 ай бұрын
Additionally the armor waste horse down making it slower than what the Comanches would be dealing with making their flight faster than the Mongols could pursue
@andraslibal
@andraslibal 7 ай бұрын
We Hungarians were pretty good too a whole 3 centuries earlier than the Mongols. Basically Europe had no answer to our technology from the 800s to 955. Then we got too cocky and it cost us heavily in a battle against Germans who studied us.
@kayp89
@kayp89 7 ай бұрын
13:10 "What is best in life conan? Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women."
@Ador828
@Ador828 10 күн бұрын
Well done basic stuff
@iamrichrocker
@iamrichrocker 7 ай бұрын
how about the might Samurai as foes to the mongolians/Comanche..now that would be a sight to see..lack of mumbers might be the Samurai's downfall tho..and please show the bow crafting..i dig stuff like that too..great video..and glad to see your sub numbers climbing..
@BigFists2024
@BigFists2024 7 ай бұрын
The chichimeca in Mexico defeated the samurai
@WildLastFrontier
@WildLastFrontier 7 ай бұрын
Please do a video on making your bow! Living history is the best.
@codydunsmuir9398
@codydunsmuir9398 7 ай бұрын
King Kamehameha next 🙏 please Or the tribes of the Peruvian coast
@jhines93
@jhines93 4 ай бұрын
Great video, glad i found your channel. Your take on the Comanche vs Mongol is interesting. Usually i would concur that armor changes the narrative in war. Armor is great against slashing weapons and hand to hand combat. So the numbers of Mongols if you take the Comanche off horseback I would give the victory to the Mongol. But piercing weapons vs armor not that advantageous. The Comanche are faster on horseback and more agile and even acrobatic on their horse fighting with less weight without the armor. The Mongol could shoot farther with accuracy and on horseback but still not as fast. I believe it was the Comanche warriors ability to speed shoot arrows that inspired the revolver to be created to win the "west". So shooting speed should be a consideration in your comparison. Ultimately with numbers and a close enough skilled mounted military the Mongols would win but not easily. I say the Comanche were more skilled on horseback and with a bow and arrow. And the reason why the Deadliest Warrior didn't factor in armor is because against the bow and arrow its pointless.
@andrewstrongman305
@andrewstrongman305 7 ай бұрын
Something not mentioned here is that Native Americans adopted horses from Europeans, the Mongols had always depended on them. Alexander's Macedonians would not have fared well against the Mongols. Their armies had as many infantry as horse-warriors, well armed and armoured. Pinning phalanxes with heavy infantry would allow the Mongolian cavalry and horse-archers to flank and destroy them. 100 legionaries against the Comanche is ridiculous. A legion would be another story.
@Hightied
@Hightied 7 ай бұрын
Other horse archers from the Steppe included: Huns, Avars, Magyars and Turks. Due to their technological disadvantage, the Comanches might be a better match against the Huns. As nomadic horsemen, Mongols were in a league of their own when it came to technology and organization. They were soldiers who fought as a unit instead of individual warriors. Since the Mongols handily defeated European knights as well as the Chinese, I think you'd need to look to the Roman Empire at the height of its powers, to find a near peer opponent. The disciplined and heavily armored Roman infantry formations would not be surpassed again until gunpowder dominated the battlefields . . . my money would still be on the Mongols. 😉
@Mocaknight
@Mocaknight 7 ай бұрын
Comanche also used firearms and were second nature hit hard and fast
@benjamingouchie6379
@benjamingouchie6379 7 ай бұрын
Hope we get Comanche and Iroquois in Age of Empires 2
@astilovesyou7496
@astilovesyou7496 7 ай бұрын
I wanna see a comanche bow!!!
@Sean-fb7cy
@Sean-fb7cy 2 ай бұрын
The bow video would be interesting
@r0b0saurusrex80
@r0b0saurusrex80 7 ай бұрын
In regards to the Mongols at the height of their skill, motivation etc... A varied "professional" army of heavy infantry and Mixed Calvary of horse archers and heavy cavalry would defeat the Mongols. But that wouldnt happen for a long time. No one was allied with each other... small kingdoms would get overwhelmed by numbers of Mongol soldiers who were commanded by Generals who EARNED their rank. That is the most effective combination.
@timothygreene7910
@timothygreene7910 7 ай бұрын
The Comanche had guns which would negate the Mongol armor. The Mongols would have had to find the Comanche which tje Comanche would only allow them to do if the Comanche had the advantage. Also the Comanche horses would have outrun the Mongol horses too. And as pointed out already the Comsnche lived in an arid area. If the Mongols were fighting in Comancheria it would have been a stalemate. As for one on one the Mongol bow may have been more powerful but Comanche boys practiced on dragonflies with their toy bows so putting an arrow into the eye of a Mongol would have been easy for them.
@aq6304
@aq6304 6 ай бұрын
^^This all day.
@johnnyjohnson1326
@johnnyjohnson1326 7 ай бұрын
If not for the great Khan's death, Subotai and his warriors would have conquered Europe too. The Commanche weren't organized enough to do this. The Mongol Horde was the greatest conquering force in history.
@thursday4267
@thursday4267 7 ай бұрын
The Comanche earned their claim to fame differently than the Mongols. Doesn’t make sense to me to question who would win in a fight. They destroyed settlements and other tribes, while the mongols built an empire; simply because they both lived on horseback and were good archers isn’t enough similarities to pit them against one another.
@brianl4137
@brianl4137 7 ай бұрын
Would love to see the bow build
@florin8065
@florin8065 7 ай бұрын
I think you are correct! The mongols would destroy the comanche effortlessly! The differences in technology and organisation are too great! The only thing in which comanche would perhaps equal the mongols would be horsemanship but yet again comes the techonology meaning stirrups. And we must remember that the Mongols were destroyed by their own intern fightings before enemies. After the three great Khagans(Genghis, Ogodei and Mongke) the empire fragmented and internal fighting was way more intense and comsuming than any other external conflicts. People who belived that Mamluks stopped the Mongols are only fooling themselves. At Ain Jalut The two and a half sized Mamluk force distroyed a border patrol mongol party and Hulagu Khan did not respond to it because of the dreadful war he had with Berke khan of the Golden Horde(who converted to Islam). The second Mamluk victory was perhaps the most important but again was fought in number supremacy of the Mamluks and was just barrelly won. Again Akbasha khan could not respond because of the war with Golden Horde. Even Baybars admmited after both battles that he barrelly won and was frightened by the possible mongol response. That never came due to extremly intense internal war. So tha true saviour of Islam from Mongols was not The Mamluk Sultanate but The Golden Horde(also Mongol). My opinion is that if the inspirate and wise politics of the first three khgans would continued no political entity would withstand the Mongols. Comanche are but a fly on an bull'shoulder!
@LannyRoe
@LannyRoe 4 ай бұрын
If you have a child like fascination with dinosaurs you should look into the bone wars of the 1870s. Very interesting look at early paleontology
@SnarkyMalarkey
@SnarkyMalarkey 7 ай бұрын
Some say that the Native Americans came from Asia through the Bering strait and if that's true i can definitely see the Comanches sharing some DNA with the Mongolians.
@ekstrasens3990
@ekstrasens3990 7 ай бұрын
What's the background music you use?
@user-fc2on7qw9f
@user-fc2on7qw9f 7 ай бұрын
The time gap on firearms, the Mongols would be shot down from the Nat North American guns, since there armor isn't designed for bullets, still Mongols would prob made use of the early gunpowder rockets from the Chinese.
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