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That whole RussianBadger bit perfectly sums up the Lamenters. "Y'all built different, I'm built incorrectly"

Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Shy regrets life choices, DK gets yeeted by a black dragon and Bricky wonders if he could replace DK with kirioth

Bricky: *gets quote wrong* DK in the distance: YOU GET WHAT YOU F'N DESERVE, BRICKY!!!!!!!

this explains the poor reception in canon of the primaris marines. imagine being a dark angel and Cawl comes up to you and says "hey remember when the ad mech screwed with geneseed and made a bunch of traitor chapters? well we did it again but i swear it will work this time."

To be fair, "MISTAKES WERE MADE" summarizes the Imperium, if not the whole of 40k.

Valerian, the absolute Chad Custodes, who regularly fights in the Blood Games, battled a horde of daemons on the steps of the Imperial Palace, regularly hangs out with the Sisters of Silence without even pausing to pop an aspirin looked out at Asterion Moloc, Chapter Master of the Minotaurs and said to himself "... Shit. This won't be fun..." And that right there is the closest a Custodes has ever come to wetting himself.

Game Theory: The Lamenters being yellow and having such a difficult logo was done to play on the joke of them being unlucky and hated. Both in universe and by those wanting to paint them.

The Minotaurs: There is no such thing as 'Overkill'. There is 'Open Fire' and 'Reload'.

Black dragons are the best chapter as they just don't care about the rest of the imperium judgement on them and just complete their mission and then leave to annoy the inquisition

I've always enjoyed the theory that Cawl was actually the one behind the Cursed Founding. Like that it wasn't a general Mechanicus attempt at improving the gene seed. Rather it was his first public attempt at finishing his primaris project. And that when it started going wrong, he wiped all records of his involvement with the project to avoid getting in trouble.

Don’t worry about DK, folks. He’s currently being mailed to Yvraine for resurrection, so he’ll be back next week.

A few small but important facts that were missed this episode. 1) The Lamenters were thought to have been a success at first because they didn't suffer from the Black Rage. Then the constant misfortunes started and kept getting worse. 2) With the Black Dragons, their venomous fangs NEVER stop oozing poison and as such has scarred their mouths black and given them pointed tongues along with a dour attitude. 3) With the Flame Falcons their catching fire happened in the middle of a battle, in front of an Inquisitor, and slowly spread to the rest of the chapter. These flames, didn't stop. Once they started burning they kept burning, but they celebrated being forever burning warriors because clearly Emperor's Blessing.

The fact that Moloc might be a personality engram forced into marines after the last one dies (He's been seen dying a lot on many battlefields) seems waaaay cooler than just making him Greek tyberos

Now I really really really want an ep to open with a "some call it the cursed founding" giveaway type quote just so I can listen to DK over analyze it and try to find the trick. Also I love the idea that Cawl isn't a genius he just wrote his name on the Sons o Antaeus' homework.

The Cursed Founding: when 40K is not Grimdark enough, take a look at the guys that exist for the Grimdark to bully them

You might describe it as a Cawl-Back...Cawl did the cursed founding as proto-primaris. Cawl sending Lamenters new Primaris like 'lol, they sad, lmao'

Didn’t Bile trade with Trazyn a perfect clone of Fulgrim in exchange for pure geneseed? Wonder if maybe he used the third subject for that.

To be fair about the blood angels and space wolves they are one of the original space Marine legions so that affords them a lot of leeway when it comes to their issues.

Where the Legion of the Damned are concerned, the Firehawks are a red herring. The Legion of the Damned don't use spaceships and appear and disappear from literal thin air. The "Ferrus Mannus" thing was ONLY during their very first appearance (during the Horus Heresy - way before the Cursed Founding) suggesting they may or may not be the spirits of dead space marines.

Ahh, the cursed founding. Also known as the main reason that primaris marines annoy people.

The first madeup quote was awesome. It seemed totally lore accurate to me. I was sure as well that the "angels without wings" would be picked up by Brecky

Kirioth should just be the third commentator at this point. He's got a great depth of knowledge and dry bri'ish humour.

Small thing about cawl as he was brought up near the episode's end yes; he is 10,000 years old, as he was active in the Heresy, faking loyalty to Horus when the system he was in came under his control. He was also so damn smart for a few reasons but it probably helps he absorbed the mind of Ezekiel Sedayne- one of the main and later the lead figure on the project making the first space marines

"shy went to get a chicken" the image in my head is a cherub chasing a live chicken with a boltgun with a huge grin on her face lol

The founding that made my favourite sad-bois. "For those we cherish, we become punching-bags"

57:14 my head canon is that the Minotaurs are embarrassed by their first company paint job and the high Terran lords are blackmailing them with this info so the Minotaur chapter do everything they’re told to do.

Legion of the Damned as the restless souls of cursed marines who don't die feeling like their battle is over is my personal favorite, not Fire Hawks. It would include loyalists from traitor legions while still not being *just* old, dead marines from 30k. I also want a Contemptor Dreadnaught to be recognized across a battlefield by Fulgrim. The Ancient awaits.

Starting to feel like DK when Shy uploads a teaser and I THINK I know what topic they will do when in fact Im always wrong. And it doesnt help that a lot more people are able to guess correctly or close to it. I saw people saying cursed or dragon chapter like COME ON! I thought we were going to do a Raven Guard Ep. But People see a blade on an arm and its just " *SLAMS HANDS ON TABLE* CURSED FOUND! CALLING IT NOW!"

Who has read the black dragon book "The death of Antagonis"? it explores the idea that there is a small segment of the black dragons that dont mutate at all for some reason, and they have to draw from them for the inquisition's tests, its neat

Kirioth needs to be a permanent member, episodes with him in it are always the best! If we have to kill DK to make it happen then that's a sacrifice I'm willing to let him make.

Black Dragon: X-men theme music from 90s cartoon. Enough said with this chapter of Space Marines.

Yellow is insanely easy to paint. Just prime in Pink and zenithal highlight ivory from above. Seriously almost all of the hard colors to paint can be made easy just by changing the color primer you use.

They didn't talk about the Blood Gorgons that much which makes me sad as they do have a decent amount of info on them since they have a book series. Besides what they said about being more tactical and not aligning to a specific god they also try to purge themselves up corruption to the best they can, and have fought death guard/plague marines on multiple occasions. When they first when traitor they moved into a giant space hulk and ended up infighting and breaking up into multiple small warbands that fought inside the ship until their old chapter mater defeated the other warbands and reunited the chapter now smaller into a cohesive group that are now totally loyal to each other. Their Apothecaries now powerful psykers called Chirurgeon‐Witches know a ritual called blood bonding that allows two marines to almost sync their minds together making them know of each others actions without saying words. For their tactics they make small squads that are made up of several group of bond brothers. They also treat their cultists/ human followers with more care then normal CSM as they see them as valuable assets/ property that belong to the marines and when the marine that owned a slave died those slaves are also killed and buried sent off with their owner. The Blood Gorgons are cool but since the stuff with their author I doubt we will see anything else from them again which is a shame. Also their chapter master/chaos lord now has a crab claw.

Bricky and Kirion: talking cursed founding stuff Shy: *"Oh no, my chicken"*

Not sure what is funnier about Cawl. That he might have an A.I. or that he perhaps figured out some kind of warpy technology that would allow him to reply to others in real time despite distance. Because we all know there is no way he anticipated the kind of responses another might make to the kind of detail his little abomination can.

“I was there, the day DK screwed up the upload.” - Me, 3rd millennium.

Ah, the Lamenters The only group to make TTS Emps cry long n hard

This episode was worth it for no other reason than to hear the incredulity in Bricky's voice when he asked Kirioth "Are you gatekeeping chicken?"

Ah yes, the founding that spawned the 'i'm horny, literally' dudes, the _(allegedly)_ Legion of the Damned, *_LITERAL FUCKING DEPRESSION IN STORY FORM,_* and the 'we're not heretics for murdering our brothers if they were heretics first' Sparta fanboy club. Also the two chaos ones, and the goop juice stronk marines. _Their crayons are solidified steroids._

The flame falcons, now know as the Pheonix Bretherin, burst into flame that burn away chaos and corruption when they are in the middle of battle. The inquisition thought it was corruption, mainly cos most of the chapters of the Cursed founding were on short leashes due to the curses. A few of them escaped and have a new world they live on as they dealt with an Dark Eldar raid on the planet they found. They are pretty neat and it was just Inquisition going nuclear for no reason.

The surviving Flame Falcons actually did rename themselves as the Phoenix Brethren.

Honestly I rather like the idea that wasn't covered in this video the idea that not only were the Ad Mech trying to fix the flaws of loyalists geneseed but also reintroduce traitor geneseed. The Sons of Antionus may have been infact inhereted the Geneseed of the Deathgaurd, hence thier strong indoskeloton and resiliance in Attrition warfare, the same style of the stinky boys. The Minotaurs as well feel and act like Text book Iron Warriors, and the perhaps the reason the Fire Hawks were so hawty and arrogant may have been influenced by Emperor's Children Geneseed.

"There's too much shit on Cawl to model him for that" - Bricky, I have already 3D modelled a Knight, Commander Farsight and a Tao riptide as Ad-Ric fan-art, don't underestimate how far I can go to provoke the memes :3

I really hope that we get a story about how the big guy that fabulous bill made off with is in fact the big dude from the carcarodons and tells us how he escaped and took the gene tools back to start his own chapter.

What I love about the cursed founding is the blurred line between being chaos and still loyal. When Bricky released the video about every 40k faction two years ago, I decided to take his advice and get a small army of space marines. However I went for cursed founding and gave them a physical disability that turned tactical marines into a semi-possessed squad that functioned like death company from blood angels, OR have the limb or part amputated and have prosthetics like iron hands. The cursed founding gives a lot more freedom, and a lot of good and bad comes out of it, in lore and in real life. I know a hobby store manager who has a 'cursed founding' chapter that's just bright pink hello kitty marines. very cursed.

After hearing about the Black Dragons now I really want an episode on the Soul Drinkers. For those who don't know they suffered spontaneous mutations at the hands of Tzeentch, were tempted by chaos in multiple ocassions and were ultimately excomunicated by the Imperium, and despite all of this they still remain loyal to the Emperor. Also their chapter master, Sarpedon, is a librarian whith literal spider legs, having replaced one of them with a mechanical prothesis. Finally there's the fact that they come from the Second Founding, being one of the three original successor chapters of the Imperial Fists.

The minotaurs are 100% from the iron Warriors, what do you guys think?

*(reading the title)* "Mistakes were made." "Yup that pretty much sums it up."

This made me want to see a black dragon dreadnaught. This hulking mass of sharp bone and steel. Just imagine a dreadnaught but since the bone didn’t stop growing it is boarder line chaos looking self

They made a great introduction to the destructive power of marines when horus fell and they were hurrying to get him to the medical deck. It was a massacre because they simply "hurried through the crowd while beating people out of the way", killing and injuring tons of people in the most casual manner possible.

That was a great intro you wrote Kiroth, really fits the setting

I like the "no fucks given" "let them regret their birth" minotaurs.

One of the reasons why other chapter shunned the fire hawks was due to their participation in the Great Malagatine Purge where 5 chapters were ordered to slaughter every man, woman, and child in the Malagant system. What’s suspicious about this is that any information about this operation is unknown even to the inquisition. As such the reasoning for such a brutal slaughter are unknown and when I mean slaughter I mean the usage of exterminates and virus bombs to ignite a planets atmosphere. For their work the hawks were given a feudal world of Costeau XI as a recruitment world. Because of their willingness to commit such slaughter on civilians whose guilt is still unknown they were shunned by many other chapters. It should be noted that the other participating chapters were the Charnel Guard and Silver skulls. The last two are unknown.

I already made a longer comment, but TLDR/final point, this founding is honestly less cursed than the reputation would suggest. 7 chapters made. The 3 successes: 1 became the military police 1 was big and tanky 1 got extra offensive additions to their bodies Of the 4 who "went bad" 1 was so unlucky that I assume it has to be from a certain faction in the warp. Still had heightened resistance to the faults whose correction was the point of tinkering with their geneseed. Also fine conduct and humility. 1 was immediately taken behind the shed for the first odd thing 1 got lost in the warp, and their possible/presumed fate as ghosts is uncomfirmed, let alone definitely rooted in their modifications. 1 did admittedly turn traitor, though more subdued traitor than most.

It was the best of foundings, it was the blursed of foundings.

20:50 ok ok, here me out here, didn't he have that clone of fulgrim that he traded to trazyn, do we know if this was before or after that?

Ah i would love the crew to do a Minotaurs episode, the lore of this chapter is Ridiculous. And I love it.

The reason why the Sons of Antius are labelled “cursed” is because their toughness and durability is eerily similar to the Death Guard and Iron Warriors during the Horus Heresy and Great Crusade. And because both are traitor legions, suspicions are rising.

Nice, just to add, fire hawks have only been hinted at being the founding of the legion of the damed, but never confirmed more than any of the many other possibilities. Also back in the day the cursed founding was an experiment funded by the faction of the inquisition that wanted to bring the emp back and needed a new body strong enough to hold his immortal soul. But chaos corrupted one of the marines who gave away the base location the first time round.

I really want to see what the Primaris Marines of the Cursed Founding would look like.

FABULOUS BILL, THE WRETCHED SCIENTIST OF CHAOS

As someone who who started work at 10 and was hoping to listen to the Chaos that is Ad Ric i was Disgruntled to find it WASNT LIVE

Thanks immensely for that quote about the Sons of Anteaus. I thought it was just a cool name and didn't see the full connection to the original legend until that quote about "Never losing on solid ground" brought the whole thing into focus. Now the Sons of Anteaus rank even higher on my list of favourite chapters. I just wish we knew what they OFFICIALLY look like.

for the black dragons if I remeber Arch's video they will have unmutated "pure" astarties that they are very protective of so theres a good chance thats ALL that they send to be tested

Seeing Bricky struggle with the quote is so surreal

Maybe my favorite thing with the Black Dragons is a short story of an imperium vessel getting boarded by Drukhari. It goes about as..."well", as you might imagine, although they do get a distress signal out. One of the remaining few free survivors is absolutely booking it down the hallway, and in comes the boarding party that both saves and stuns her terrified silent. And honestly you would be too, if you saw enormous armored, clawed, horned nightmare black walking tanks that carry equally huge guns. One of them jokes to have pity on the poor woman, since he was certain she was hoping the ultramarines or some other more aesthetically pleasing chapter would have shown up, while another just nice and calm demands to know where the Drukhari are so they can go massacre them.

That countdown animation before the premiere is dangerously hype.

Wouldn't it be cool if the Flame Falcons became merc marines or Rogue Trader guards like the Astral Claws??

The giant marine being Tyberos could be cool af if they do it properly.

40:31 The Firehawks being the LoD is pretty much not legit anymore. I know nothing has been confirmed for the LoD but most of the evidence points to Imperial Daemons. Not saying the Firehawks can't be part of the LoD but not the beginning of the LoD

Not only do the black dragons have a bone to pick with you, they also have a bone to pick you with.

Honestly 40ks whole tag line could be "we done fucked up"

*Every Gene Seed Power!* Lamentors? *Super Unlucky*

My 3 favorite cursed founding chapters are: 1. The Black dragons 2. The Minotaurs 3. The Lamenters Who is your favorite cursed founding chapters?

Love the Black Dragons, definitely my favorite of the 21st founding. I'm also a huge fan of the Salamanders so maybe I just really like dragons, lol.

I can't believe they completly skipped the theory that the AdMech used Traitor geneseed to create these chapters. Heck, they mentioned the connection between the Sons of Antaeus and the Death Guard! X/

Cursed Founding Chapters be like: Sons of Antaeus: I’m just built alternatively. Constructed alternatively. Black Dragons: Constructed in an unorthodox fashion Minotaurs: Built STUPID Flame Falcons: Crafted without the preset parameters Lamenters: Y’all built different, I’m built incorrectly. I’m just wrong. In every way. Legion of the Damned: I should not exist Lamenters: I should not exist

Stoically sufferings while painting yellow minis? Sounds perfect for any Imperial Fist fan.

Maybe the SoA curse is the fact they have the highest luck basically anti lamenters

Them: Explaining how terrible it is to paint White Scars My Dumbass: Looking at my very first models that I decided to paint as White Scars that I still haven't finished.

Fabulous Bil!🤣🤣🤣

Dosent bile have a massive space marine body guard? That is extremely powerful but dull?

I think Kirioth is no longer a guest. He dunks on DK and pisses Shy off, he is now officially a part of the crew. I guess he is now an "Inconsistently Regular Host"

Not gonna lie, I wouldn’t mind if Kirioth was a permanent member of the podcast.

DUde, the RussianBadger vid joke is SO spot on XD

Minatours lore caused me to get their forgeworld models and make a 2k point army. Spartan space marines for the win

To answer the Blood Gorgons book bit: yes, they have a book by Henry Zou. But in the novel they're Chaos Marines. I'd recommend it though, while not the strongest 40k novel I've read the Gorgons are really unique in how their Chaos Mutations work. And, if I recall right, despite being Chaos they're not super assholish to their slaves (kinda like Talos in the NL Trilogy) and drop everything to go rescue a recruitment world they use regularly and treat the locals pretty well.

Poor one out for our boys, the Lamentors.

4:47 patiently awaiting the day I get to meet Mr. James Workshop

I like to think Sons of Antaeus are prototype primaris and/or messing with Mortarion’s geneseed. Also, I love the idea that Cawl’s mind has a cruise control

Ah the cursed founding I was going to make a chapter for myself from this founding till GW decided they hate there fans and I swore off 40k spending

Fabulous Bill - Not the worst (Adeptus Ridiculous, 0.22.M3)

4:51 ah yes, JAMES Workshop.

I'm surprised you didn't get further into the Black Dragons. There's some cool story there. But I am happy to see all the love for them in the comments!

Rest in rip DK died of die this really is the warhammer 40,000

*Flame Falcons:* On fire. Also dead. *Lamenters:* Super unlucky. Also dead (pretty much). *Fire Hawks:* On fire. Also dead. But also not dead. *Minotaurs:* Just assholes.

Hehe oh I am excited for this one I love black dragons and many cursed founding chapters

Don't worry Kirioth I also think it's unacceptable to be cooking a chicken before midday

Holy shit Bricky, it's been almost 2 years. The word is Zealous.