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William Woodgate is one of NZs most tragic cases. Hes dubbed "the child killer Picton refused to hang

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“Ah shit not again what the hell”

In the Uk we also use the phrase 'fell pregnant' but I would get so many comments about it I decided not to use it amymore

I do declare! Just what in the world is going on here?! 😄

@@BriefCaseOfficial Most definitely, I know a few people that seem to "fall " quite often, like, how clumsy can one person be? 😳😂

This keeps happening to my daughter. Lol!

Narrow-minded people in positions of power passing judgement, literally in this case. During that time period she was screwed😭💔

@@oliviagreen7423 Absolutely.

Probably because she Wasn't low class, and he was Jumped up!

The magistrate was a heartless POS. If she had the help she needed, things would be different. 😥

@@Eclipse503 Yes, things were truly💩 for the poor, Jewish, other ethnic minorities then. Social health care and other programs desperately needed, basic human rights so society could improve as a whole. I commend England, UK for implementing social health care, as an American I'm enraged we can't have that😭 I don't believe I've ever heard someone say it should be done away with, I've just heard a lot of frustration that it's underfunded. Haven't heard Canadians complain much at all, they must have more funding(or maybe I just haven't talked to the ones that are very unhappy)

“Stop trying to be a good mom so hard, then we will help you? You’re not failing enough?” So cruel and tragic

Women weren’t valued at all back then or even now. When I hear people going on about unmarried mothers.’’it always makes me think what about the unmarried father’s’’ what about them. There just getting on with there life making other babies to theses terrible unmarried mothers. I’m not saying all men are like that but the ones that are are getting away with the stigma of being an unmarried and an un providing parents.

Hi,I agree,one would think that because her children were clean&fed,a magistrate would use common sense &help her financially.

Men weren't that much involved with raising their own children, so they had no idea what it involved & how much it cost. That was left to the servants and their wives. They weren't interested nor concerned. Begging on the streets was common then, as it is now.

Making the perpetrator the victim seems to be the hip thing to do nowadays.

@@peopleskarmasquad1042 exactly! This whole thread is filled with sympathizers of a child killer. There is absolutely no accountability attached to Phoebe. Nowhere did they ever state she was raped so she engaged in consensual sex and had kid after kid especially unmarried most women those years knew what the consequences were of not being married and having kids. It sounds harsh but taking a modern moral code almost absolves her of any accountability. She just happens to kill the one child what about the rest? It the problem was caring for them. She was a 4 year old probably needed less that the elder kids. Everyone talking about she didn't get help but she chose to keep the kids even when she had the option of putting them up for adoption. That is a choice!

When we are free we are accountable. We are not free.

@@snarfington I am not free. I am expensive

That doesn’t excuse her for what she did. She killed her child. She’s garbage.

Very.

It was very hard in those days......

Say "please". Ha ha.

But why? Does he say? Every phrase? As a question? They aren't? Questions?

I've heard of people in my lifetime who were down in their luck, needed assistance and were denied because their kids were dressed nicely and they had a clean house or they lived in a nice zip code.

I'm sure if they had been he'd have used that as an excuse to take them away and then put them in an orphanage or sold them off.

yeah they prefer people they can totally demoralize. The same people would probably say 'no matter how poor you are you can keep your kids and home clean.' So sad.

The girl might have died naturally and Phoebe panicked. You don't exactly think well when stressed, malnourished and faced with something so overwhelming.

Understand times back then were tough and extremely unbearable for an unwed woman with child(ren). You act like times back then we’re the same as now lol

Flossy was a biracial child. Not many people at the time would have been clamoring to adopt her.

EXACTLY! All these sympathetic commenters. I know Phoebe suffered, but all you have to do is imagine what it would take to look at a 4 year old and throw them in a river, and know she was a damn psychopath.

@@ev5837 the children were reportedly well fed. Furthermore, if it was a mercy killing, why would you throw a little kid into ice cold water, where they would be absolutely terrified? Not exactly a quick, easy, or painless death. Just imagine what it would take. Nobody capable of normal emotions could look at a 4 yr old child and physically do that to them. Sorry, but minimizing a baby murder is a bit much.

Exactly this, I can’t believe how many people are being sympathetic to the person that chose to murder a little child.

She killed a child and your saying poor phoebe? I have no doubt she killed the child and likely killed her cause she felt the child of color she had was disposable and possibly would have done again when she felt she couldn’t feed another mouth

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@@lovelydiva06 I don't know if I misunderstood the video or if I was distracted during a key part of the video, but am I the only one who was under the impression that it was all circumstantial?? I finished the video with the impression that it was an accident and she was scared out of her mind (and wracked with guilt). She shouldn't have accused the ex-partner, though. That was eff-ed up. It's one thing to lose a child, it's another to be accused of killing the child.

@@jamyDodger I agree she loved Flossie. I can't imagine not loving my own child (and I've never had any, just pets that I love like children). The part about her dressing her boy more nicely than her daughter is BS because she previously got turned down for government assistance due to her children being well-kept. If she did play favourites, it was likely based on gender (I hate to say this but sometimes mothers are like that).

Extremely unfair and absolutely tragic. People to realize that her reaction would have been the same if the story about her ex-lover showing up and killing the child because he couldn't take her with him was true? There were no Witnesses and no evidence to him being there, but there were no Witnesses or evidence to him being not there either. Circumstantial is right.

That surprised me too.

They probably knew about lupus though...sigh

Poor children, cruel woman, kills her own kids.

Perhaps,she thought her chances of remarriage were better if she just had 2 white Children and not a biracial 4 year old.

Blamed the girl for the husband running off. Probably thought if you weren't born my husband would still be here. Obviously it was her own fault he left as she was a cheat sleeping around.

I was also thinking STD!

I did wonder if dear Uncle could have been the eldest's father...

In a horrible orphanage. Unadoptable because of who their mother was.

@@debshaw680 I hope not...☹️😟🤪😭

Agree. And, no child support, enforced by the courts, now days.

You go to the workhouse. Just awful.

@@beverlyhayshouston2770 Absent fathers should have gone to the workhouse.

I had a friend you suffered from lupus, and I did a lot of reading about it so I wouldn't have to ask her questions all the time, and it does affect the tissue in the ears,causing ringing and hearing loss, it also will cause lesions on the tissue of the nose, inside the mouth, like painful little ulcers, no danger in them to the person with lupus or anyone around them but, needs to be treated if at all possible, now of course, it's common practice,but simply because they're so painful it definitely needs treated. But nothing horrible like syphilis, distinct difference, one is quite disgusting, and the other, from lupus is like a cold sore in places besides the mouth. Nothing runs out of these like with syphilis. I made myself nauseous talking about the syphilis part..I'll stop on that note..😉

Yeah, 'cause only prostitutes can get pregnant.

I can do it for less than $7, listen: " NO! "

@pickles Never known a cat need contraception before

There were sheep skin condoms and they even used half of a lemon hollowed out as a diaphragm. There have always been ways to not get pregnant, but men don’t like to wear condoms.

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Well spotted! Congrat BC

Poor, uneducated single mothers still have it hard on our contemporary times.

Poor, uneducated men had it rough too. They weren’t living a life of luxury and privilege

@@j.h-j5j they get subsidies from the government, help from crisis centers, and court mandated child support in which the man if he doesn’t pay goes to jail. The single mother rate in the West is so high because single mothers get so much support that it’s damn near incentivized.

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Biscuits and grave, sounds interesting

@@BriefCaseOfficial yes, I’ve got visions of gravy poured on a hobnob or chocolate digestive! (Of course those references will mean nothing to your American viewers!).

Biscuits and gravy are the best things ever, BC! A good southern biscuit starts with flour, buttermilk and a lot of butter, with more butter brushed on as it bakes. The gravy is a good, thick, cream based gravy with lots of black pepper and sometimes some spicy ground sausage. Goes great with bacon, ham or sausage, as well as eggs and grits. Add a cup of coffee that you can stand a spoon up in, and you've got a breakfast that I'll stand up against beans and toast any day! 😉 Eta- and they are so filling thqt you won't even have room for a digestive after! 😄

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@@nobody8328 and my time in UK I really dug beans and toast myself, and that black pudding too. Grossed out a few of the others but I liked it. British folks believe In lots of hog for breakfast I have found God love them.

Excellent point! That’s what I figured the story was about at first. It’s unknown what happened to him, so she probably did.

Maybe

Phoebe was asked about her husband and she said he may have thrown himself in to the river.

Do a Google image search for lupus on nose...Don’t get me wrong she definitely may have had an STI but you can’t compare the symptoms of modern people with lupus when they have access to modern medicine and treatments to people back then.

I had a pt that had lupus and she use to get mouth and nose sores, especially if she had a cold or allergies or if she became over emotional, crying and such, it would for some reason trigger nose sores, they didn’t look anything like an std, more like hives or flea bites but she said the ones inside her nose were extremely uncomfortable, not painful but very uncomfortable!!

My mother has lupus and she has awful issues with her nose and throat open sores and rashes all the time god forbid if she wasn’t so careful and aware of her hygiene I’m sure a small infection would run rampant and cause all sorts of sad results

That’s what someone else said. Makes sense

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Well they said she kept the children well dressed except flossy not saying people in proverty can’t be dressed decent or nice but I think they based their decision on how they came across as oppose to health condition and how that was affecting her means to provide for her children

@@lovelydiva06things are. It always as they appear externally... as one who has lived with a serious "silent" health problem, I was denied assistance because I "always looked good"....yet I did so because asshole "doctors" told me to get up every day, out makeup on a d dress as well as possible and i'd feel better....I'd go to the appt and they'd say - you look great!...nothing wrong with you!...they didn't know (or ask) how many HOURS it took me to get dressed, or how much pain I i was in...they didn't give a fuck..they are arrogant bastards....

@@iknitbecuzmurderisfrownedupon God, I'm sorry💯 Dr's can be real💩 sometimes! Most of mine have treated me like that as well and I'm sure will continue to do until they develop a test for fibromyalgia. I'm glad they at least prescribe gabapentin😕

@@oliviagreen7423 I worked in the medical field all my working life...and then was a slave of that medical system...I've never met on who is 'real"...glad you seem to be having better luck...😊

@@iknitbecuzmurderisfrownedupon Ty. Guess I'm lucky to be getting the gabapentin even. Will probably end up getting cut off, because recently asked my Dr if he could increase my dosage slightly, and he acted very suspicious, said now the heroin addicts are using it to boost the effects of the dope and Dr's are not wanting to prescribe it much anymore. I'm not an opioid addict and didn't know this. Definitely too scared now to even ask to try anything else, do NOT want to get mistaken for a pill seeker/dope addict💯 I hope you can at some point(sooner than later) find someone halfway decent to give you the care you deserve

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She had an eldest daughter too. Imagine throwing a four year old in a river. Does that sound like a “mercy” killing to you? She’s have been absolutely terrified. Can you even imagine what it would take to look at your tiny, confused child, and throw them into that cold, February water?

@@Catlady-mw4en have you ever seen "Sophie's Choice"? If you have, you should probably recall some of choices parents have to make for the long-term benefit of their child. For all we know the older girl was being cared for by someone else. I have nothing else to say on this. I made a heartfelt comment and that's all.

@@lillymom7909 actually the oldest was in her care. It was the youngest the mother claimed would live with someone else. I appreciate your heartfelt comment and empathy, but it’s misplaced on a woman who brutally murdered her least favorite child.

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The world is filled with spoiled morons who take their lives today completely for granted. The past was a nightmare for everybody who had to live through it

@@douglasbubbletrousers4763 I totally agree ! In this terribly sad story, all the blame was put upon Phoebe. And the father of this poor Child got away scott free

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It doesn't seem to make that much difference today. People still have children and kill them.

The world is currently overpopulated and we do have birth control and condoms available. So don't think that was the issue. Contributing factor but not the root course. The problem was that women married had a better chance of social and economic survival those years. The fact that she had a child, got married and then somehow was pregnant with another man's kid when getting married not help her "suitability" and to top it off it was a biracial child. It sounds harsh but no use judging past societies by today's moral standards. In 100 years they be Judging us as well.

@@MsRamington The world is not overpopulated.

I bumped into someone the other day....so it is 😉😉

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But why kill someone who can help you financially? Especially if he stayed after your baby was born? If she was a prostitute, isn’t he special becAuse he married her and took in her first children?

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Does it skip a beat for the ones who CHOOSE to make poor choices and are the architects of their misfortune? I guess women are always "tricked" or "forced" in to sex because they could not possibly engage in such conduct willingly. No sexism in that thinking.

@@dougtaylor2803 I am a survivor of 3 attackers. I did not put myself into ANY position to be assaulted by any of them. The first one was when I was a 10 year old. You'll forgive my mistrust, if you have a shred of decency.

It happens today too. Men fathering children and running off as soon as responsibility hits. Doug Taylor, yes women are often willing participants, but it's not so easy for us to run away from the children we carry. That's not to say all men are this way, but just look at today's society; full of fatherless children. I'll never understand how a man can utterly dismiss a child that he's partly responsible for creating. No honor.

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