Sorry for my awful voice cuts in the video ik i messed up with that xd (is fixed in my newer videos btw)

optifine walked so sodium can run

the downfall of OnlyFans..

Him: the downfall of optifine Me: there is a downfall?

Optifine was never bad, it didn't go down hill or get ruined or sabotaged or anything like that, it just got out competed fair and square. Overall Optifine has aged pretty gracefully and will be remembered fondly, it's just that sodium is leaps and bounds better.

It's crazy how 10 years ago, anyone would see "OF" and instantly know its Optifine, and now OF meanas a completely different thing

i didnt even know optifine was "not good" I didn't even KNOW about SODIUM...IM GETTING OLD

1:33 didnt know that mods are made in HTML 💀💀💀

Mods aren’t “made for sodium”. Sodium uses fabric. Mods are made for fabric.

Please do not use Minecraft Fandom, instead you should use the official wiki! Edit: Apparently people want clarification! The non-Fandom version is better because Fandom itself is run by a shady company. I can't really explain it all in this comment but they're not great to work with and they put waaay too many ads on their site. The official Minecraft wiki is hosted and paid for by the community and is more up to date and friendly to use.

I value performance a lot. Sodium just obliterates Optifine in that aspect.

nah people still use it though, cause it's too easy to install.

The one thing I want from optifine is connected glass. It should be in vanilla.

also one of the main reasons why optifine fell is because sodium is more developer friendly, unlike optifine, sodium is open source which means that if something doesn't work you can fix it way easier. i was using optifine before i found about FO which had even more features

I love it when youtube content creators use something tragic like "THE DOWNFALL" as a title over something so miniscule and irrelevant

OptiFine does win in one aspect, and that's a wider window of older versions of Minecraft. As stated by Sodium, they will only focus on updating to newer versions of Minecraft and perhaps updating a version older for fixes or performance improvements.

One thing I’ve heard is a lot of people on intergrated graphics get more performance on optifine then sodium. My self included, with sodium I get a steady 60 fps but with optifine I get about 120-240 fps

Im an (admittedly fairly new) mod dev so I want to add a bit of technical context, to the best of my abilities. Sodium is written on top of the Fabric mod loader, which is intended to be very light and easy to update mods for. Sodium replaces basically all of the rendering code, so even if Mojang makes any changes to the engine, Sodium can just set the target version to the newest version, fix a few major bugs, and make a release basically immediately. Ive taken up the role of maintaining a few mods, all of which take me only around a day collectively to port to the newest version, depending on what changes in that update, so updating is generally very fast for fabric. Another thing to consider is that Optifine is both closed-source, partly due to using the actual Minecraft source code inside the mod itself, and tries to target both Forge/Neoforge (could be wrong on this one, NF is only a few months old) and being used standalone. Being closed source means that you cant as other people to help update the mod, unlike Sodium which is fully open-source and allows anyone to contribute. Also trying to bundle the mod as both a standalone and Forge mod might cause some difficulty as well, although im not as familiar to Forge as i am with Fabric so i cant say much on this front. There are also Sodium ports for other loaders too, like Embedium and Rubidium which are the main Forge ports, so even on newer Forge versions optifine is unnecessary. These pull from Sodium for new features, plus keeping the open-source license. You also mentioned VulkanMod in the video but im not familiar with that one either, ill look into it. I might as well mention that the mod is over 10 years old now, and the amount of spaghetti code in that thing is probably enough to feed the entire population of the earth for a few years lol

and optifine is a jarmod and its not open source

No, OF worked fine during 1.16.5, I actually used it on that version, and the previous ones, but then 1.17 came out and OF just stopped being lag free, so.... I was stuck without shaders and optimization for a while, then Rubiddium showed up, and now we have Embeddium, Oculus is a must have for Forge/NeoForge but they do essentially the same as Sodium and Iris, as Iris also has come over to Forge and are now compatible with both Forge and Fabric at the same time... Mods are gonna be bi-compatible soon I think :)

Optifine's BIGGEST problem was Mod Compatibility. In fact, A rule of thumb is that if a crash occured, remove Optifine first and test again.

Honestly-- I use Sodium purely because Optifine took way long to update to 1.20, so I switched to Sodium. The only thing I miss is native shader support for resource packs, because I can't do custom fog without a dedicated mod without Minecraft's built-in shaders. i've found everything else I need though; external shaders, a fog mod, a mod that lets me use a controller, etc... I even found an anti-aliasing mod that works BETTER than Optifine's anti-aliasing. As much as I love optifine-- it's just out with Sodium. It only has the advantage of being way easier to install and update.

Optifine takes long time to update most likely because it's hard to work with decades old codebases.

The only reason sodium isn't more popular is because 99% of good and popular modpacks are on forge lmao

As a modpack maker, I switched to Sodium simply because it's already on CurseForge and Modrinth so I could easily include it in my modpacks without having to tell my friends to install Optifine separately. So many times in the past I've had to remind myself to not include Optifine in the export when uploading an update to my modpack so that it could get approved. It is a bit annoying that a lot of fun features included in Optifine, like shaders, dynamic lights, and zooming, are separate mods not included in Sodium, but I do like how some of these new mods add more depth to these individual features :)

I'm still using OptiFine. At some point I thought of Sodium, but then I heard about the great virus infection, I think at CurseForge. I don't know, I kinda wanna stick to just 1 simple "mod" that I can launch from the default launcher. The wait for 1.20.4 was atrocious though.

i like optifine bcs its all in one and it works on forge, while sodium is fabric only and i need to download 10 other mods to have same options like in optifine

I still use Optifine very often in vanilla Minecraft it is still on lunar client too, but as soon as it comes to modding it is just not playable anymore.

Im sure optifine is still doing relatively well considering how many players play on servers like hypixel that provide the best experience on 1.8.9

fun fact: Rubidium is the Forge port of Sodium

what else are you ment to use on 1.8.9 or 1.7.10

It's falling? The fact it lets my Intel Arc A380 use "RTX shaders" at full 1080P and still reap over 183fps could've fooled me.

Many years ago I saw a guy in a server with an Optifine cape that looked like the Odd Future logo and honestly I do sorta regret not springing for it that fit was fine as hell

Wtf I just binged 4 of your videos in a row and they're all really good, your content is perfect for listening to in the background whilst messing around in Geometry Dash's editor, it's not too quiet that it's not just bleeding information that you don't care about and it's not too much that it's so engaging you can't even concentrate it's just the perfect balance. I swear I'm like 2x more efficient creating when I have one of your videos in the background, keep it up! 👍

Waiting for optifine to update vs waiting for all of the mods you use + sodium to update

Apart from the content, i really appreciate the complex editing! It was surely much work. So good job!

Fun fact not many know/remember: Jellysquid used to be part of Gilded Games. The devs who brought you The Aether.

Ran a new mod called nvidium, 64 chunks render distance and I had 300+ fps with an rtx 3060

I'd say the main reason is because optifine is literally incompatible with almost all good quality mods.

I installed sodium mainly because I saw how quick you can enable the shaders with iris. Now I use it with mods like bobby that increase render distance dramatically which I couldn't do on optifine

Sodium changed everything for me. I actually lost interest in Minecraft in 2019 because I was hitting the limit of Optifine for my builds. I regularly build Full Scale 1:1 Starships well beyond the 32 or even 64 Chunk Draw Distance, and even with extra Draw Distance mods, Optifine just lagged like hell. Sure, you could Argue "MC was never made for 120 Chunks" but with Sodium, Nvidium, and Bobby I got what I wanted and it spurred motivation for me to play again! 120 Chunks and over SMOOTH AS BUTTER WOOOOO!

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I actually noticed some months back that on 1.2.5, optifine actually makes the game run *much* slower than vanilla does on my PC. Like, halving the framerate slower.

Not to mention optifine has a ton of graphical incompatibilities with other mods that sodium suffers considerably less from. Optifine also doesn't allow its mod to be downloaded through mod browsers such as modrinth, curseforge, etc. Plenty more good reasons optifine isn't popular anymore lol

optifine is likely useful in terms of older or most recent releases of minecraft, cause the performance and optifine replacement mods aren't made or aren't updated yet. i wouldn't say it's really dying, it's just in a state where it isn't really used as much anymore since people usually stay on specific versions.

Optifine never fell its still used for forge users iris doesn’t have connected textures without having to use fabric mods

After all this years, i finally back playing minecraft and stumbled into this video, but should i install sodium or just stick with optifine? It just feel like sodium are quite difficult to install compare optifine, but which one?

there's actually more to this - Sodium is open source, OptiFine isn't - Modpack makers cannot include OptiFine in their packs by default - OptiFine dev doesn't want to work with the rest of the modding community, so the modding community doesn't want to deal with OptiFine compatibility

There's a guy that basically stole this vid, word by word. His name is JonoXD Edit: He took the video down

Optifine was an amazing mod. But it has indeed been unstable last versions till the point it sometimes was more unstable than vanilla minecraft. Which I moved to Sodium, Indium and Iris Shaders as well. Even though Optifine seems to run more smoothly than Sodium on older devices.

Yet I still used it recently as it is easier to set up to get a small performance boost and shaders as opposed to Fabric+Sodium+Iris+actual shader+resource pack, especially if you know you're just going to play for today.

all other mods cause me to have way less frames than without the mod at all whereas optifine gets me sitting at a nice 600 fps without shaders and about 150-200 with shaders. other mods crash the game with shaders (tested on multiple computers) i also really hate fabric as that rails my fps somehow and yes i know about the forge version but that doesnt even work for me

NO the mods needed time to adapt because of the flattening in 1.13 WHY would it be because of the content

Sodium depends on fabric and that's still thebiggest drawback to a lot of people, most shader and resource pack creators still consider optifine as the primary market and then port to sodium/iris, this means that optifine still remains as the most popular option

Vulkan mention lets gooo, i really hope it gets better support (mainly for Distant Horizons and Create)

Can you do next a video of curseforge and modrinth?

i use optifine every single time i play this game, plus i hate using thing like sodium because it doesn't add all optifine feature which mean when i play on fabric i have to look and install like 5 extra mods so i can have optifine feature on fabric and fabric is also the main reason i hate modding newers version and why i stay on modding version 1.12.2

Sodium + Lithium = 1.20+

Honestly, I prefer just getting Sodium, A BUNCH OF PERFORMANCE MODS, Lambdynamiclights, and Iris(which is what I did), instead of just getting optifine

I started to use the optifine it used to work pretty well with some mods, specially on the servers of my friends however since I wanted to fully convert Minecraft and fix it's flaws with 92 mods things complicated.

Optifine has also been incompatible with MOST mods for ages, since 1.12 and even before, becasue the developer is super greedy and keeps everything closed source

idk i still use optifine

Honestly, a hidden benefit of separating all the mods (like sodium just being the performance mods, Iris the shader mod, etc) was that, not only it was easier to maintain and to have a leaner codebase, but also made it easier to extend and update to newer versions Btw, they aren't Sodium mods, they are Fabric mods, just a little correction :D

I'm a casual minecraft player and I've always used optifine but now that you mentioned this Sodium... I'm inclined to change teams

Optifine shoulda sold to mojang. We could have had base minecraft more optimized at the very least, and servers mighta gotten some optimizations too as a little benifit. Even if optifine couldnt have been quite ported to servers, it might have at least encuraged mojang to optimize it themselves

Optifine was the first mod I ever downloaded (This was in 2023, I started playing Minecraft in 2014 or 2015)

Optifine: I can make you run at 200FPS Sodium: here's a spaceship

i use optifine most of the time, and sodium sometimes, i notice basically no real performance difference, and because of that, i frankly don’t really care which one i use

As someone who uses optifine, I never used sodium because it was too hard to set up so many mods just to be a bit better than optifine. I should retry setting up sodium in the future though, it sounds 100x better as said by a whole lot of people

This comment section is a pain to read. Optifine has been shit ever since 1.13 came out. Anyone who says Optifine was never bad has never played modded minecraft in 1.13+. Optifine does not need to exists anymore as people have made alternative to all of its features(see optifine alternative modpacks on modrinth and curseforge).

People have been telling me that sodium is really bad for the longest time, so i always just used optifine which boosted my performance by a tiny bit. Yesterday though, i finally switched to sodium, and i can run minecraft at about 200+ fps now, and with the release of Iris which allows you to have shaders with sodium, i see no reason to have optifine anymore. (With complimentary shaders unbound on ultra settings, i can run minecraft at 60+ fps which is great for me)

What is the recommended place to download Sodium and compatible shader mods? I've wanted to install some sky and water sharers for ages, but the last time I tried to download Optifine, and (perhaps because I didn't know about Sodium) and I got a dozen of sketchy programs as well as outright viruses, despite that I had used a site I believed was reputable. The viruses turned out to be super frustrating to get off my system because none of my Anti-virus software recognized them as threats. I would love Sodium, but I don't want a repeat of this.

Wow, I didn't realize Sodium was that new. I mostly still use OptiFine because it works way better for the extra resource pack features, but I'm unable to use it on my mod loader on Steam Deck (Which I need for controller support) so I had to move to sodium. It's certainly a hell of a lot smoother than OptiFine, but the lack of QoL features and resource pack compatibility makes it hard to use outside of necessity (even if those extra features exist as external mods, not really a point in Sodium's favor)

Quick correction: Optifine didnt get bought by Mojang because Mojang only wanted certain parts of it instead of the whole mod, which the creator didnt want, they couldnt get to an agreement so it didnt go through

*the problem with sodium is that some resource packs (for example faithless whcih is minecraft but way cooler) require optifine to have all those additional features like texture connections, variations, etc. and sodium doesn't support them*

I didn't know of sodium existence, i only play mostly old version (moded (❤rlcraft) or some never modpacks which are most of the time olready using optimization mods

I play on MC 1.12.2 so I don't care:p OF will be always amazing for me

I don't use Sodium because I can't. The developer has made it clear there is no plan to make a Forge port, and the mods I play with are mostly Forge. Optifine is a perfectly fine mod and works beautifully on my PC. Unfortunately I had to sacrifice it in order to use resource packs that add animations to modded entities, since Optifine doesn't support modded entities. Now I have to use like 5 extra mods that don't even do half of what Optifine did, and THAT is irritating and unnecessarily bulks my mods folder.

is it really needed at this point? i mean, my pc is not that powerful and still i mostly just get fps drops for 5-10 secs after creating a world when its rendering all nearby chunks

I feel old I didn't even know what the hell Sodium was until this video

Optifine is still the only viable option for android (FCL and Pojav), because sodium is either slower than optifine at best, or just doesn't work at all at worst.

People still use optifine wdym? 😂😂😂 Bro is making nonsense

Anyone know if you can get the normal menus on sodium? I personally really dislike the modern feel of the sodium menus

optifine since 1.13 is already of a downfall

*sniff *sniff* do I smell AN UNDERRATED KZfaqR???

Does Sodium have a Cape? No, so fuck Sodium

bro i swear these days everything and everyone has a downfall video made on it

i literally just started using sodium and iris shaders because sadly optifine has'nt been working like it used to, i get less fps in optifine than just using regular minecraft.

Optifine is still the goat on low end pc's

this shows how the community gatekeeps older trusted sources on newer not even complete ones. i'm not gonna leave forge, optifine and a gigantic amount of good features just to have the same modpack, but with 20 mods, instead of 2. the modding community is just over-complicating everything with all these stupid forks and "alternatives" which offer way less than the original and well-packed ones.

Great video, you are the first youtuber that i see that is talking about this theme, congratulations, you will have much more sucess :D

Sodium needs a mod addon to make the UI include options that get removed when you add sodium (Like that setting that you can scale how much the speed and slowness effects so that you can use mods that add stuff that can give you speed10 without being driven mentally insane)

i do not care im sticking with optfine

sodium propaganda

Once vive craft became stand alone and didnt need optifine to work is when i switched. Its also super nice that sodium and its mods are on modrynth so i don't need to go to a separate site to get them. Most packs i play do it for me in fact. Optifine was a must have for so long but nowadays there not much reason to use it.

Also the website sucks, you have to dodge fake download buttons and get forced onto an ad page even if you click the right one, always made me really annoyed when downloading it

lmao this vid is just: why use optifine if you can just waste your time downloading 100 garbage mods to copy it's functionality

Optifine has one big thing I think makes it at least if you use the standard launcher better. You can use it without needing to put it into the mod folder and have a lot of different versions installed at the same time, while also not having a problem launching those. Idk if that is also possible and that easy with sodium, but I didn't see anyone saying how to do it like that. Which makes an external launcher kinda needed, but then you only have the world in one version, and you can't just install different mods and launch the same world

When the music dropped out at 1:53, I subconsciously anticipated Caboosing, like in a 3kliksphilip video.

I Despise fabric API because it doesn't have many of the base go-to mods so i use Rubbidum/Embedium which are ports of Sodium for forge and they are amazing!