We realy REALY need a second FAQ. Because by now we have actual frequently asked questions.

Marching: yes Charging:, yes. I think that's rather skillful Flee or give ground: no. I think the move has to be in the movement phase

Excellent presentation. Clear, plenty of examples, concise. Please do more!

Really like this format. Keep doing these! Line of sight next?

Excellent video Simon. 'Drilled' has worked pretty much like this for charges in Warhammer Ancient Battles for decades. I wish the rules had been written a little clearer in TOW. A lot of people are getting it wrong.

Awesome video! Next episode: Skirmishers charge : )

Best video on rules i've seen until now. For our game team yes for before charging , no for unexpected charge if u can redress the rank in a way that the charge is possible. Yes before givin ground

I’m still on the fence about using drilled to redress before charging. BRB p.126 Manoevring During A Charge. “Unless stated otherwise, charging unit cannot perform a turn, move backwards, move sideways, redress the ranks or reform manoevre during its charge move.” Drilled doesn’t say you can redress and charge.

Great and informative - thanks !

So helpful. Great video!

Somebody casts wind blast on you. You go from 5 wide to 10 wide. Your turn, you go from 10 wide to 15 wide and charge... I don't think that's ok.

I do agree 100% with you! Thanks for the video

Love the vid mate, thumbnail is great too😂

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Are you making a video about the new dwarf announcement at Adepticon? I like a lot of what I saw of your beloved stunties :)

Nice video. I thought that the main issue was that can marching collum actually charge using drilled. But you brought up several cases that I haven't thought about, and the marching collum is just a tip of the ice berg. We totally need a FAQ from GW to really know what drilled unit actually can and can't do.

Imo the part about "marching columns can't make a charge moves" is there so it doesn't break "frenzy". Otherwise a frenzied unit would ignore their frenzy and be able to maneuvre anyway/ be in a state of "does't work out". They would be able to avoid having to charge this way, which is the huge downside to frenzy...

I thought this video was going to be shit. It was not. Great work man!

Can I also counter charge out of the charge arc of the enemy using drilled? Or just push forward in marching column too 8" from enemy cav pretty much forcing them to charge and then redress and counter charge using drilled? Seems really strong if I'm confident my heavy cav will beat theirs. I didn't know you can declare a charge in column which seems odd considering drilled. Initially I thought that it would mean that frenzied units would just get stuck in column if enemies are in charge range. But it seems they can make remaining moves if they haven't moved earlier.

RAW you should be able to do all of the things you mentioned. Feelings-wise? I honestly dont know i'm a new player so i'm unbiased but all of these work and make sense

What's bizarre is this is a rule they've taken from warhammer ancient battles, in which it was very thoroughly explained in the text. I don't know why they have been so sloppy in writing it in TOW.

Yes too all, that is how the rules work. That's how they were supposed to work, because that is how it was written in the rules. It's the first thing I noticed that drillled is good.

The easiest way to address all of the "iffy" scenarios you brought up, and plenty of other situations that you didn't, is to simply say "Drilled doesnt work outside of the Remaining Moves Phase" Is this correct? Probably not. But it goes a long way towards stopping all of the shenanigans

Am I wrong in thinking that when you fall back in good order, you can do a free reform? If so, I think that you should be able to do this when giving ground because it should be a better outcome to my mind.

Drilled can only be used in your movement turn. So not when giving ground or falling back in good order. The rule comes from wab and there is perfectly clear. To declare a charge against one unit and then go for accidential contact with another is rule abuse in my opinion so I would not allow that. The combination of getting into marching column to get more movement and then use this movement to reform and charge later in the turn is also rule abuse in my opinion. When you are in marching column what you do is march and thats it.

Drilled and Redress The Ranks are only applicable in the remaining moves sub phase. Doing this in either the charge sub phase or combat phase doesn't seem plausible at all 🤔

Didn’t it read that you are giving up half of your move to do that?

The rule comes, mostly, I think, from Warhammer Ancient Battles. This rule was designed to make Romans better than everybody else. We should think about it in terms of "Romans are the bestest! Does this reflect Romans!? Hell yah!"

First example is fine. Second example is, as you said, a cheeky player exploiting the rules. The opponent should decide wether to allow it. Third example, in my opinion is not allowed. As I understand it drilled is an ability for the movement phase. As giving ground occurs in the combat phase the ability cannot be used.

When it boils down to "I think" when the rules are very specific regarding these things I'd say you are very wrong in assuming you can redress and then charge. The rules states that you are not allowed to reform during a charge. People (like you, no offence) tries to use this wording into "oh but its BEFORE moving". If this was the intended way that charging would work then you would be fully allowed to redress, back or even turn, regularly without this rule before charging. The rule regarding charging is clearly there to show that you cannot maneuver at all if you wish to charge, unless its stated. And the very first clue here is that in Drilled, it is very much not stated that you can. The second part is that the "Who chan charge" section clearly states that a unit in a marching column cannot make a charge move, If you are not allowed to move, how can you do something done before moving? In order to understand how a rule is supposed to work, you need to implement it into situations that makes no sense and try to break it. You do that twice in this video. Accidental contact and when giving ground. Both of these situations makes no sense what so ever. Unless you are someone that likes to play games in ways its not intended this should be blatantly obvious that this is not how its supposed to work. Again, as mentioner previously, if you are allowed to use drilled when giving ground then you should be allowed to do any maneuvers during a give ground.

I don't think you should be able to redress and charge. Normally you can't do anything like that when charging. Seems more like a loophole that it making a good game.

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It’s entertaining to speculate, but the rule is written horribly. Like a todo note that’s an idea for the rule, but not the rule itself. Kind of embarrassing, really.

So somehow a unit can surrender two half’s of its move and still move? Maybe I am thick, but to me this seems purposeful convolution of the rules for “strategic” advantage. Just my opinion, but this kind of competitive gamery that ruins good games.

This edition seems like agony. I'm out!