Franziska OTP

I do hope you'll one day take the time to make a sequel focusing on the ships of Apollo Justice. Especially since Phoenix (in his now much older state mind you) would probably get a kick out of it at Apollo's expense.

the ship mia and phoenix is stupid. godot would beat his ass if he found out

first of all, i loved ur video!!! and seeing edgewirth himself having a troll ship (obviously bc he doesnt wanna admit he loves phoenix 🥰) was hilarious!! every other ship made sense!! fjebfue now as for ships not involving poenix, we have gumshoe x edeworth, edgeworth x franziska, edgeworth x maya, maya x franziska.... for troll ships there is the Old Granny and Edgeworth too. and i guess both edge and phoenix have a larry ship too? dont get me started on the ot3's and polyships... anyway, hope this was of help!

@@anthonydeadmanSo who would be the four Dating Game contestants? My best guess would be Klavier, Juniper, Clay, and Athena, but what do I know about shipping.

well Machi shouldn't have left so much incriminating evidence

"Your honor, since my client is a 5-month-old baby..."

@@maverickREAL "GUILTY"

@@maverickREAL “That’s no excuse for murder”

"I would like to accusme Nolims Babye, the blind baby with no limbs for the murder of Judge!"

Pearl would be tried for fucking murder

Oh god

I wish lol

why does that actually sound like something gumshoe would do LMAO

I bet Larry Butz would also make that suggestion if he were present... At least that would be the case *_IF_* he hasn't done anything else stupid which would *_INEVITABLY_* result in him making this situation *_JUST SO MUCH WORSE THAN BEFORE HE EVEN SHOWED UP IN COURT..._* Yeah, I think we should *_DEFINITELY_* leave Larry out of this. For his sake and for ours as well.

More of a love hexagon

No idea what a dodecahedron is.

@@mr.samishi3248 12 sided

@@sgtdebones Thanks for answering, smart person.

@@mr.samishi3248 a 3d object with 12 flat sides in the shapes of pentagons

What kind of abilities did they have?

I'd say one of shippers primary abilities would be making weird ships which makes no sense at all sometimes.

Is it possible to learn this power?

@LeGameHen no never from a normal person. A normal person cannot withstand such power.

@gatsup135 mondata my advice stay a normal person, great power bring great responsibilities.

Correction about the third fact: The whole franchise would never happened if Dover wasn't an asshole with Gustavia during the cook contest

Wait I'm confused why wouldn't a blind person be capable of murder?

​@@flamingcat1101.....

@@floricel_112 no that would be a mute person

Lesson learnt: *take the goddamn stairs*

I did not find it funny, but that is my opinion.

That whole part took me out💀💀💀💀

@@userlog2474 youre mum

“she based as fck ngl”

@@phantommontalbanoinc.447 Source?

I love how the gallery is basically Twitter.

@@ultimatefree8637 I'd say it's more like Tumblr

@@lacabraasada What the difference?

@@ultimatefree8637 Twitter users believe they're morally superior, Tumblr users believe they're intellectually superior

@@lacabraasada Yeah, that make sense. Thanks

“But, if I had to choose someone to ship him with, it would probably be Larry Butz. What? I think it’s cute!”

She would probably call him harry

Would've been even more hilarious if she shipped him with Gumshoe. 'he does give Nick evidence that he shouldn't.'

there are exactly 666 likes to your comment, and therefore I will leave it as it is

Exactly!!

Especially Miles Edgeworth, who won't admit that he cares about Wright or that he's familiar with nerdy fandom terminology.

Agree! This is all super well written!

I'm not super familiar with the games? Are you telling me the Judge is really like this?

@@ivorynk752 Nah the Judge was very out of character, Maya too sort of

They need to make a part 2 and put this in it. I would be dying from laughter

Huh

I freaking can't-

@@ultimatefree8637 If a part 2 is made, it'd have to focus on Apollo. That guy's had his fair share of shippers lately.

I can imagine this conversation lol

*_cough cough_* tomtord *_cough_*

cough cough RWBY cough

yeah fuck coughing and I'm just gonna say it, The MHA Fandom.

@@MM126.90 Agreed.

True i dropped out of mha early on because the shipping wars got bad quickly

Bro I wish

I wish we, as humans, were as cumulatively as creative as that.

while not being the main reason im pretty sure the person who came up with the word int context we have now was inspired by it

I kinda want a "turnabout *Titanic in French to sound cool*" case lol

@@thejonbrownshow8470 oh if that’s the case I think it would be “turnabout titanesque” or something along the lines of that

You’re right though every time Edgeworth is brought up she makes a expectant af comment to Phoenix 😆

she made what..,

Pardon my French, but what the fuck is NaruMitsu

@@LandOfTheEnigma the ship name based off their japanese names

TRUE

Well, Mia is still there.

@@bytwentyeight And the gallery still in chaos, proceedings will be suspended anyway.

She did technically start all of this...

What the hell was she accused of anyway?

Being homophobic

To be fair shipping is all fanon anyway, nothing is stopping people from making an AU where she lives. Plus they do have decent chemistry, if not for her death I can see them getting together

I mean she can channel her. It'd be a hassle but if she put in the grind she could make it work.

Really love the fact that it wasn't an argument. Like, they said that they didn't like each other that way and all, but at no point did someone say that she's dead and that it would be a problem for a potential relationship x)

@@therighttrousers343 wouldn't that just be Maya x Nick x Mia?

@@moocowthegamer kind of? A bit yes, a bit no. Depends how Maya and Mia would feel about it.

Which betrays the possibility that he actually is.

yes him being interested in romance was never a possibility indeed lol

@@misakitakazaki8951 Then he’d go home and proceed to have a full on meltdown at the idea that people ship him with Nick which is “a rIdIcuLoUs IdeA” but get even more upset that people are shipping Nick with other people 🤦🏻‍♀️

To be fair, he did say that he would rather stay single in Dual Destinies.

@@happyjellycatsquid he's already more than happy that Phoenix is shipped with 76 years old man 😂

Lmao wtf💀-

theres worse

OBJECTION !! I don’t think that “truth” could be paired with Edgeworth , or any Characters tbh, I would say that Edgeworth x trauma is a better ship

@@maelanimate9409 I dunno, I think edgeworth x elevator is a pretty good one.

@@sirshotty7689 Edgeworth x earthquakes is the best one personally.

Edgeworth x updated autopsy report.

Edgeworth x Edgeworth

*angry godot running towards you noises*

@@jvstvorothii Markiplier punch

@@lojika1majik "K.O.!!"

To be honest I didn’t know Mia and Phoenix were a thing.

I always had a feeling he shipped it lol

He been watching their trials since day one, he probably made bets with others about them.

He plays dumb to not be asked how he knows the term

in all honesty, He isn't Otaku or spends 24/12 on internet in order to know that term

Why else would he react that way if he didn’t know what it ment in the first place

​@@mlgwolvesmeep So tsundere behavior

Thanks, I've put a lot of effort into it (maybe even too much, seeing how long it is, hehe).

Imagine, Capcom releases Ace Attorney: The Shipping Love

Was Pearl cancelled in this head canon?​@@mascarasnake8833

Tf

My God, THEIR A GENUIS!! GET THIS PERSON AN AWARD!!

Well, can't argue with that!

Phoenix and a parrot, perfect match

@@snoote533 Agreed

I agree on the sibling energy, especially with Maya. It feels so wrong to me to even imagine Maya x Phoenix as I feel like they would also both be horrified and grossed out at the thought. At most, I can imagine Maya having a crush on Phoenix when they first met but then she a) grows up and b) sees the tension between him and Edgeworth. I love the Maya and Franziska ship or aroace Maya once she’s in the DD era. This was such a funny video but I spent the whole time going “MYSTIC Maya” 😂

Although the game seems to ship Maya and Phoenix, but I think Iris and Phoenix has more chemistry

@@hye2354 I know right

the miracle never happen

And he's only been confirmed to have ever had a relationship with one of them.

Yeah, I'm really uncomfortable with Phoenix and Maya together because even once she turn 18, Maya still talks about wanting to become an adult. It just feels like they're at completely different stages in life.

Its like she is his little Sister, I cant imagine they in a relationship, that would be weird af-

As someone who lowkey ship Maya Phoenix (after the last game) theres a lot of toxicity. (Obligatory grooming p*dophil comment even if it doesnt make sense...)

It's called being nice and respectful even when one has to fake it. Most straight men are deep down homophobic. Brain scan of stress indicators shows it. The indicators are similar to when presented with disliked food.

@@monicacreator3168 but it does tho I’m sorry but Phoenix was Maya’s primary care taker in the first games I don’t wanna come for your ship but surely you must understand that it is kinda problematic

@@disdiot2995 Not really, Maya working with Phoenix in the beginning of the series before going back to her village for training isn't the same as him being her primary caretaker, they're coworkers and friends. Personally I'm more of a Feenris shipper, though I do still enjoy the potential of Narumayo (especially because of Pearl) since the age gap really isn't that big (there are a lot of couples in real life that several years apart, it's not as an uncommon or problematic as some seem to think,) and their interactions in the most recent game were great.

@LuckLadyUnicornxc I kind of disagree here, I just wanted to share my opinion about what you mentioned: Maggey and Dustin were only in one case, and Phoenix even himself mentioned the age gap when the point of marriage was brought up- it was a rather major age gap, I agree, and Maggey stated she wasn't into Dustin that way, IIRC. So, yes, there is an age gap with a couple, however that "couple" was never together romantically, and was not at all a major duo in the games. It's more of a ship than an actual couple, and I don't agree with people who ship them. Her and Gumshoe were never made canon. Gumshoe had a crush on her, she was oblivious, and I don't think they ever ended up getting together. So the age gap isn't an issue, because they never ended up together. Plus, I do think this ship is weird. The age gap is too far, and frankly I don't think it's really acceptable as a genuine ship, especially since Maggey is only 22, with Gumshoe being 31. I don't think they should be shipped, and I'm glad it was never made canon. Mia Fey and Diego being 5-6 years is VERY different than 11- in fact, it's almost half. I really don't have much to say other than I think an age gap of five to six years isn't anything to worry about, especially since neither of them were under the age of twenty when they met. Thalassa and Zack I can't say a lot about. It seems a bit on-edge, but considering Thalassa was around 33, she was much more mature than an 18 year old like Maya. Even so, seven years is four years apart from eleven years, and since both were much older than Maya, I don't think it should be used to compare. Plum and Windred is definitely an issue. I believe they should've been added to the game with much less of an age gap, because 14 years is a maturity level difference that really shouldn't be played upon. It's very easy for someone 14 years younger than you to be manipulated or peer pressured into a relationship. Yes, it's a canon couple, but that doesn't make it right. It should definitely not be used as an excuse for shipping Phoenix and Maya. April May and Red White are not good people. I dont even know if they were ever actually revealed to be together: while the busboy (?) stated he was jealous of the man that was with her, and it may have been implied? I don't know if it was ever directly stated that they were a couple. Also, Red White is a murderer, so if he abused age gaps, I wouldn't be shocked. He's not a good person. Maya Fey was 17 when her and Phoenix first met. If you ship them from day 1, that's definitely a red flag- she was a minor. Later on, she did become an adult, but even so she was much younger and even acted rather unmature throughout the other games. She relied on Phoenix as a good friend, and I honestly see it was her leaning on Phoenix as a sibling since Mia had died. That's definitely subjective, so I will not use it as a reason as why not to ship them, but it's one of my biggest personal points as to why I do not ship them. 11 years, especially since Maya was a teenager when she met Phoenix, is too much of an age gap for it to seem moral. In short? You're using a lot of whataboutism. What about this problematic ship? Your use of pointing to other problematic ships doesn't make Phoenix x Maya any less problematic.

the ... opposite is true

@@ariseri No it’s not. It’s bearable, I barely see the mindless back and forth arguments that you’ll get in other fandoms where people just don’t get along.

@@randomaccount1840 idk how long you've been in the fandom so im not gonna assume but ive been in it for 2 years and these people are at each other's throats. it's horrible

@@ariseri Have you ever seen Undertale and MHA's fanbase?

@@fridge9514 no i have not! purposefully stayed away from those. i know they're even worse, doesn't mean the aa shipping fandom is. awful

To be honest, same. I really like the coworker couple. 😊

To be honest, that will probably be the closest we will ever get to a canon couple in Ace Attorney.

@@ladybentley1563The actual married couples:

nice one

“Y-yes daddy…”

Personally, I tried reading the essay you mentionned but it's obvious the writer is very biased, which is my main problem with this ship. The fandom seems to go to extreme lengths to find romance where there is none. "In terms of Narumitsu, ‘unnecessary feelings’ looks startlingly like a love confession out of context- but in reality, the context only makes it more romantic." Take this line for example. 'Unnecessary feelings' is the line that is the most misunderstood in my opinion. Unnecessary feelings does not mean love, especially in this context. Phoenix defeated Edgeworth twice, breaking everything Manfred taught him and potentially making him feel like a disappointment. The author mentions this by saying that Edgeworth had trouble coping with his first loss. Let's remember that Edgeworth is not an inherently bad person, moreso it's the years of exposure to Manfred's techniques and love for victory/perfect streaks that turned him into the "demon-prosecutor". Edgeworth always wanted to fight for the truth, like his father, and seeing Phoenix succeed where he failed only added to the shame and anger Edgeworth must've been feeling from his previous loss. Change doesn't happen suddenly, so it's obvious that Edgeworth suddenly fighting for Phoenix took quite the toll on him as well, making him confused about what to do next or how he has done his job as a prosecutor so far. THIS is the context. And with it, all romantic notion is lost. Unnecessary feelings can relate to shame, disappointment, anger, sadness, regret and more. Not love or romantic feelings (if anything, it goes completely against Edgeworth's character during the time he said this line). I'm not saying you can't ship NaruMitsu, if anything, I encourage it if you like or love the ship. Do what makes you happy and don't let others dictate what you can or can't like. However, I'm not a fan of it (very far from it even) and I just wish more people understood that not everything said by the characters has a romantic undertone. It saddens me that some characters are completely misunderstood since from a writer's perspective, I would hate seeing the characters I worked hard to bring to life be this bludgeoned by the community.

@@TheFestiveHoovy I completely agree with you, that's just what I thought, sure I didn't go that deep, but really, that's the overall meaning, this explanation is basically the best for anyone who can't understand the meaning of the line. But just asking from curiosity, what did you mean by the characters you created? Are you maybe a Capcom employee or something?

@@Sammy1432YT No no lmao- I meant, if I was one of the writers at Capcom, I would be sad to see my characters be misunderstood (bludgeoned was too hardcore of a word, my bad for that). I'm a writer, and usually, writing characters is very personal and where I put most of my efforts. If my work were to be destroyed by people making their own interpretation of my characters 'canon' (because I've seen so many saying NaruMitsu is canon when it's not, they never got together in the games), I would be sad, especially if romance was not the message I was trying to convey with a character's growth. My god I'm sorry for the rant, I just really love making characters and talking about it. Thank you for being respectful of my comment, I find it a bit too harsh for my liking now that I'm rereading it

@@TheFestiveHoovy I agree 100%. On my first playthrough I thougt Edgeworth meant anger as an unnecessary feeling -I didn't see anything romantic in that line. Narumitsu fans base they arguments mostly on that line which can be interpret in many ways which is kinda dumb. (Of course I don't hate people who ship it)

@@mayyanna444additionally, is "unnecessary feelings" the same in Japanese? We're debating the meaning of a translated, localised game after all. For the true authorial intent, we'd have to be fluent enough in Japanese to understand it, a language which as I understand is very context-heavy, requiring markedly more reader input to decipher the meaning of a sentence than English, and this is one singular line in an entire novel, easy for a localiser to not think of all the ways it could be interpreted by the western audience. But additionally, I have heard on the internet something or other about it being inspired by Boys Love novels? Perhaps even in original Japanese, the line was intentionally vague and readable in multiple ways to suggest interpretable BL undertones.

I agree, it makes the most sense to me, besides Iris. They have the warmest relationships with him. They're both different from Maya's and hit home differently than her. To me it's a similar situation to Mia's with Diego/Godot. She couldn't have him for very long before Dahlia poisoned him and left him out of commission for years making her decide to move on, and Phoenix couldn't have Mia at all thanks to Redd White ending her when she barely started training him, not even so much as a celebratory meal/drink. Neither option for best ending in Ace Attorney was meant to be.

huh? Wouldn’t Mia be waiting for Diego, her actual boyfriend to come out of his coma?

@@AstraRGB not even boyfriend. He was/is her fiancée

That was their biggest mistake which is to kill her and in such a heartbreaking way

@@KenDaKingArrives She was waiting for him to wake up the whole time and even said that she “settled the score” for him while visiting him at the hospital in the anime

DeLite, Garrideb, and Vigil couples are possible contenders.

Oh please, how could you forget about Grossberg and his hemorrhoids! The one true pairing!

Obviously yeah

OBJECTION We all know the best ship is obviously Godot x Dark Coffee Bitter and dark, but still, tasty

No, it's Diego and Mia.

I agree. Heck this video mentioned just the “unnecessary feelings line” and when discussing about the reason about why Phoenix became a defense attorney, the class trial just gives more points to Wrightworth in my book, and yes Mia inspired Phoenix, but I guess it needs to be reminded that right after that trial he talks about how he needs to pass the bar exams as soon as possible because “there’s a friend that iI absolutely need to help, and if I hurry, I might be able to save him in time”. Also like, can we remember how Edgeworth took a private jet in the middle on the night in order to visit Phoenix at the ospital, as soon as he heard he had an accident? Or how he risked his caraeer and credibility when he took Nick’s badge and acted as a defense lawyer in court to do him a favor? Or how he busted his ass off to make so that Phoenix could get his badge back and go to court again? And I could go on but... “baseless” my ass xD

@@rebecca_rh There's also Iris talking to Edgeworth in 3-5 and saying that she can tell that they "share the same secret." Iris' secret is that she still has feelings for Phoenix... Honestly my take is Maya has an on-and off crush on Phoenix in between calling him old and stealing Franziska's "little brother" line to tease him, and both Iris and Edgeworth have feelings, but Phoenix has some long term trauma where he represses any romantic feelings he might have for anyone. So he rarely ever actually responds, and if he does it's usually unintentional so he walks it back, or he doesn't fully realize what he just said, or he was agreeing with something to just go along with whatever is happening.

​@@rebecca_rh lol yeah I saw people saying Edgeworth isn't the only reason he became an attorney, but because of Mia too. Iris and Phoenix met in a library where he was reading law books, so he was already considering the career change. He saw Mia as the ideal role model, so of course he thought working under her would help him meet Edgeworth quick. Also in the Investigations spin-off, Phoenix never appears yet Edgeworth just keeps on thinking about him, "that man"^tm and how he shines so brightly in his eyes. lol. Like bro I get thinking about his best friend doesn't *really* mean that he loves phoenix. Then in that case, why does Phoenix never mention Iris again in later games? Does he not care for her? Of course not, there's always a chance he still does. Then does Edgeworth just really, really care about Phoenix? Yes. Obviously. What I only agree about in this video is that the Judge ships them, cuz he has to see narumitsu's banter all the time, he certainly has seen it all, he isn't even phased when Phoenix calls Edgeworth daddy.

@@kyubeyincubator5779 EXACTLY ahaha And yeah the Judge would DEFINITELY ship them. Also great username and profile picture btw xD I’m not interest in making any kind of contract tho, just to clarify

@@rebellemuria yes, i think the same, that’s why is also a mega long slowburn xD

There's hints that he's still in touch with Maya and Edgeworth during the 7 years, like in AA4 there's an absolute pile of steel samurai and nickel samurai dvds in his hospital room and he says there's a "kid" who keeps trying to get him to watch them. AA5 outright says Edgeworth goes to Trucy's magic shows and used to take them on vacations to Europe during the 7 years. Ships will always be argued about but so long as everyone realizes that there's no way any of them will ever be canon because Capcom would lose money, it becomes clear there's no reason to get angry about the ships and just enjoy them on an individual basis.

@@rebellemuria Boom. There you have it folks. We shouldn't really hate on people's ships and the shippers itself, although if the pairing may be questionable, we can indulge in stating that part without sounding angry or mean; as well as insulting the ship You may ask them why they ship the characters together so you can understand the reason why. There is nothing wrong with thinking that either 2 or more characters look cute together, or not agreeing on the pair. Just remember to respect peoples' preferences! Have a nice day 😊

i actually disagree about feenris cuz like, even if phoenix does say "you were always the person i thought you were." it doesn't change the fact that iris brings up some... bad memories. neither does it change the fact that iris was deceiving phoenix for years, or the fact that she is a criminal that helped dispose of maya's mother's body. plus, there were a ton of narumayo and narumitsu moments in that game, especially narumayo, ngl. but hey, i have my opinion and you have yours, its all just a matter of perspective at the end of the day. i respect all ships as long as they're... worthy of respect.

@@daileeedunno Oh, I don't disagree, I even think there's a reason it feels like Iris kinda dropped out of consideration even as soon as AA4. Iris feels like college Phoenix's very first "A GIRL LOOKED AT ME" experience. It's just how he acts about it. He talks about how she knitted him shirts and made him mini omelettes, at the same time she kept asking him to give him back her necklace in a way that probably always felt to Phoenix like she was trying to pull back from their relationship. It actually feels like even if they both had calm passive personalities and might have worked that way they didn't actually communicate that well, and that's shown by the sheer nuclear level secret she was keeping from him. Maybe after that cleared up it would have been better, and she is one of Phoenix's few romantic interests who seems like her life could've meshed well with his work and interests, but ultimately I think all the circumstances at the time of her confession in 3-5 worked against it. Like she's off to jail for a while because of her charges for obstructing justice and desecrating a corpse, and Phoenix loses his job right after. Even if she got out pretty soon (depending on the state I see about 1-5 years), and even though she says she doesn't really want to be a nun her whole life so she might have been willing to move in with him in the city, I don't think they would have been able to make ends meet, so they'd break up. And if she's still in jail, life has kinda moved on, you know? There's also some official manga that suggests Phoenix actually was traumatized by the Dahlia thing, and even if the manga aren't really all that canon, we also have the way he reacts to seeing Iris in that magazine. Everyone around him interprets it as interest but the internal dialogue for Phoenix in the game really reads more like panic. I think the ship is fine, it's nice to see that they might have worked out after all those years, and if it did they'd be pretty soft and fluffy as a ship. So I see why people like it, but, yeah, I think I also understand why the games probably won't address it.

@@daileeedunnotechnically there is nothing bad with what You said but that Last Part sounded like You where pretty full of yourself sorry had to get it off my chest.

WrightXvon Karma

@@Egalitariat-likesecretariat which one

@@baldkiwi444 von Karma

@@baldkiwi444 both

It’s definitely not 100% canon, but I wouldn’t say calling it canon is “definitely reaching” Ngl I think Wrightworth is in a grey area. It’s not quite canon, but not quite fanon either.

@@thatryebread well I think it has evidence but I call it reaching cause the evidence isn't sufficient to prove canonicity to the level many claim. Not to mention alternative ships that people have that have evidence for. I feel like both major ships for Phoenix are perfectly valid.

@@megarotom1590 Same

So true!

Yeah... I like Wrightworth but I know it's not canon, nor am I going to force anyone to believe it's the one true AA ship either.

@Mr.CChaach wrightworth vs narumayo lol

Imagine any fandom with ongoing shipping wars on the Supreme Court

That actually works on some level, ngl.

That is like Ash finding out Professor Oak is banging his mom.

Everyone who's ever dated her has been murdered. Then again, you could have Trucy get framed for his murder, and then have Maya channel his spirit to make sure that somebody defends his daughter. Maybe Pearl gets in on the action, and channels another dead lawyer (Gregory Edgeworth, Mia Fey, Durke Sadmadhi - take your pick) to support him at the bench. The first one would be the best if Miles were the prosecutor - and, given how his childhood friend had just been killed, it's a safe bet that Edgeworth would be on the warpath. Make sure to include lines like "OBJECTION! Your honor, I was murdered, not disbarred! Therefore I still have the right to practice law!" and "What's wrong, Miles? You look like you've seen a ghost!" Honestly, that would be the best ending to the Ace Attorney franchise. Phonex Wright, channeled by Maya, solves his own murder and saves his daughter.

It's a gavel lol

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