She sounds like a teenager who grew up too fast and now can’t slow down.

She's business minded, but she's not business savvy.

maybe it’s just me but i find getting married young so you can have sex because of purity culture to be extremely irresponsible, wearing condoms is more responsible than a ring.

“Tone deaf” is a PERFECT way to describe her in how out of touch she seems

The problem with Ryan and Haley is that everything they do to seem like ‘mature adults’ is just proof of how immature they actually are

She went through the LA influencer ‘transition’ without moving to LA lol. Love it

Her biggest downfall is her complete and utter lack of education on any topic she speaks on. It’s okay to look past religion sometimes to inform and educate yourself on different topics. Either she needs to educate herself, or just not speak on things she doesn’t understand.

As a Christian myself, nothing irritates me more than judgmental Christians. Our job isn't to make people feel bad about not living the way we do. Our job is to love people regardless of their life choices and beliefs. God doesn't see any of us as better than another, if we live the way he wants. As imperfect beings, we have no place or authority to condemn people for anything. Waiting or not waiting, diseases are not a punishment, it's just life.

ironically, she's exactly the type of person that would benefit from going to college, having a conventional job and travelling the world for reasons other than insta photo-ops and aesthetics.

I feel like they rushed to get married during a global pandemic because they wanted to have sex.

I think that’s why Emma chamberlain didn’t lose fame because she stayed relatable even though she bought a 3 million dollar house with Louis bags and such. She stayed true to her personality even through the fame and money. edit- WTF?? I never have gotten this many likes Thank you!

I feel like Haley's going to really struggle when she becomes an actual adult and can't make relatable content anymore since she's never had actual work experience

It's so fascinating to me how seemingly "down to earth, relatable, kind" teenage girls who start out on youtube turn into such selfish, immature, hugely out of touch older teenage girls when they gain some type of success. I can't wrap my head around the stark transformation

Haley Pham is what happens when you let an 18-year-old be an 18-year-old, but give the millions of dollars to spend and millions of people to watch it all unfold.

whenever ryan is mentioned as being a bad influence to haley, it just reminds me of how different he used to be when he was a commentary channel poking fun at silly things on the internet. idk what happened from then to now, but he suddenly became a david dobrik lite after he got a taste of fame. it's sad that a similar change has been seen in haley and that ryan is likely partially responsible for that change.

i kind of want Smokey Glow to look at my life and analyze me in this way because God knows i could use her type of constructive criticism

The thing that I hate the most about Haley is her raging hypocrisy. She uses purity culture to her advantage so that she can glorify herself and shame other women in the process. All while picking and choosing which aspects of purity culture she herself wants to follow.

Something about Haley Pham is so interesting to me. She's like the embodiment of what happens when your childhood ends too soon. I think people sometimes forget that she's been the main source of income for her family since she was a literal child, and she's been financially supporting her mom since her parents got divorced. She takes a lot of pride in the fact that she was able to do so, but she's acknowledged that she feels a lot of pressure to make money to support her mom. I see someone who took on this "breadwinner" position too soon and lost a lot of her childhood. She didn't have normal teenage years where she could just fuck around and do whatever; everything she did had to make money. She lost a lot of freedom and I think it shows now that she's an adult because you can tell she's not really mature. She's very immature but is desperate to seem like an adult since she missed all those normal teen years. I think it also explains how she changes her "identity" so often because she's chasing whatever persona is going to be most profitable. She's messy, but something about her story is so fascinating to me.

As a Christian myself it really hurt my heart to hear the way she talks about God, it sounds like she feels like everything bad that happens is a punishment and that she feels there's this point system to earn God's love. It must be exhausting for her. The church has hurt so many people's ideas of God's love and made it seem like something you earn rather than unconditionally have. Plus it's made her seem bitter and look down upon others. I hope she gets more in touch with her personal faith and herself rather than putting so much weight on the church's and the general public's opinion of her, not only for her sake but also those around her that she's passing needless judgment onto.

To be fair, she's at that age when you don't know what you want to do and you change your mind about your future every week. The only difference is that she has the money to actually start doing the random ideas she gets.

It wasn’t mentioned, but one of the things that lost her a lot of long time fans was dropping out of high school in December 2018. Basically, her school suspended her for filming during class or something, and she decided to just drop out completely with only one semester left. This annoyed a lot of people bc a) just a really dumb decision when you only have 5 months left b) lots of her earlier content was about studying and now she just decided to ditch all of it bc she was gaining traction online and c) she got into the same “school doesn’t matter, just hustle and you’ll be good” mindset as her bf Ryan Trahan. Ryan himself was obnoxious for this bc he’d dropped out of college due to a conflict between his business and his track involvement, and he never shut up again about how college is stupid and useless bc he was making so much money by dropping out. Like yeah college isn’t for everyone, but you already had a rising business and a growing online presence when you dropped out. It felt like he imparted that chip on his shoulder abt being a successful drop-out to Haley, when dropping out of HS is way different than dropping out of college.

I honestly felt quite bad for her when her parents divorced and she became the financial provider for her mum. I remember her video talking about it and was quite upsetting to witness. However, after that everything just went downhill. She started to become obsessed with views/money and she became so caught up in herself that she started to lose sight of who she was at her core. And then the religious thing came into it and it was just a whole other level of out of touch.

I think that Ryan Trahan's content has changed a lot too, from more genuine feeling commentary to clickbaity crappy videos :/

it was so weird to me that a lot of her content was planning and studying related and she went to a nice charter school and then she jus dropped out

what confuses me about Haley Pham is how she is so open and pushes for normalization of periods and puberty but is so critical of birth control. it really makes her seem like such a hypocrite.

Please consider making a “Evolution of Michelle Phan”, I think it would be super interesting considering she was the OG Beauty Guru who disappeared to work on her mental health and came back to KZfaq and made a super successful makeup brand. I’d definitely watch it, I’m very intrigued. Love you Smokey ❤️

I think the problem is that Haley thinks she knows everything. I know she talked about going to therapy but I believe she stopped because her therapist was getting to her core and she doesn't want to change.

in a recent video where she bleached her hair she was like “i wanna be, like, the edgy friend! i wanna get tattoos and wear edgy clothing”. literally a facade, just like her “business woman” phase she’s in. all so cringe

Ever since she exposed herself as playing into purity culture and spreading huge misinformation on birth control and periods it was over for me lol. even though she is young, she obviously understands her reach so to be that irresponsible and blow it off when called out was so bad imo.

I feel like her & Ryan are privileged in the sense where they can ignore the outside world. Like with the supposed wedding & being a landlord. Say what you want about those two things but I feel like they can’t “read the room,” that well. Also she wants to be Joanna from Chip & Joanna so bad that I feel like she looses her self down the line.

i feel like ryan and haley are trying to live this “perfect lifestyle” marriage, home, pets, remodeling homes. but they aren’t happy, i can tell there’s going to be a divorce at some point because i don’t feel like it’s gonna last

UPDATE: THEY JUST DELETED THE JOINT TRAPHAMILY CHANNEL

Haley needs to understand that she's not a business woman, she's just a rich person with enough money to keep trying things until they're successfull. And that doesn't take any skill, intelligence, or talent it just takes money.

Me: has no idea who this Haley Pham is Hannah: mentions that she made a video about Haley complaining about her European vacation Me: “Oh, THAT girl.”

I know some people have mentioned this in the comments, but I don't think it was said in the video so I'll give my two cents on it. Not too long before Ryan and Haley got engaged, Haley was apparently having doubts about the relationship and her personal trajectory in life. (It kinda seemed like she wanted to ... hit pause lmao.) Supposedly, she actually took a "break" from the relationship, but that only lasted for a day or two. And then, bam, next thing you know Ryan's proposing to her. I don't know about y'all, but that seemed a little alarming. It's one thing to be like, "Ugh, my boyfriend and I had a tiff earlier about doing the dishes so I'm spending the night at a hotel," and a completely different thing to be like, "I'm so young and I've been in this serious, public relationship, but I don't know if this is what I really want right now or where I want to go in life currently." (Paraphrasing, of course.) So to know that she was having those pretty deep doubts about their relationship and her personal path in life and her career and then suddenly got engaged was eyebrow-raising for me. Definitely not her fault for ANYTHING of what I'm saying; there's absolutely nothing wrong with questioning your relationship OR wanting to get engaged. But I will say it was rather worrying. I'll also add this: I feel like a lot of times, Haley is the one catching the most criticism for their relationship "shenanigans" when Ryan is also part of the couple? And he's also the older (thus, presumably more mature) one in the relationship! (I'm talking about the backlash of buying a mansion so young, moving in together before getting married [which I don't see anything wrong with but a lot of deeply religious people do], and getting engaged so soon in a relationship.) I know that Ryan definitely hasn't had many scandals or controversies on his own compared to Haley, but when it comes to their relationship, Ryan is still pretty young but he's also mature enough to "know better" about certain things. So why doesn't anyone ever criticize him as well? I'm not saying he DESERVES to be picked on like Haley is, but it does seem rather odd.

Are we going to talk about the fact the Traphamily channel has seemingly been deleted? And the only wedding series vlog that isn’t privated is the proposal?

Her lack of education on sexual health and birth control makes me very, very worried for her future. I truly wish her the best and hope she'll take the steps to educate herself, but right now it's a YIKES from me.

I think that Haley and Ryan are going to keep the wedding thing a secret until the pandemic is almost over and then lie that they were COVID safe and stuff

I low key feel bad for her. She’s been on the internet for forever so she just doesn’t know who she is

i think haley is like a sponge and completely embodies whatever she enjoys at the time and i think her perfectionism makes her take it to extremes. this would be completely fine but it isn't the best way to be as a business person since it makes her so wishy washy and ultimately unreliable.

She absolutely has no genuine awareness of her actions. Just like her “business ventures,” her capability to feel the need to make a change is fleeting. Sucks to see it happen, but it makes sense. She is not a good voice for her young audience, unfortunately.

she had an unmasked wedding with 50+ people while my friend couldn't go to her grandpa's funeral. yes, sounds very fair to me.

100% don’t think they will ever address the wedding. They didn’t care to begin with. Why would they care now. She got what she wanted and that’s all she cares about. That’s all that matters to her.

I recently ended my 5 year relationship, he had brought me a ring but thankfully not yet proposed. We went to university together and I had been by his side since i was 17, I turned 23 today. I dropped out of university for the 2nd time just as covid hit last year, and we were separated as he had to work for his dad, I realised that although I had my own flat, I didn't know about bills, I wasn't independent at all, I wouldn't even go to the shops by myself, all of "my friends", weren't really mine at all, they were his, I hadn't learned to drive because my boyfriend could so whats the rush... I ended things not because I no longer loved him, but I realised I never got a chance to truly develop who I was as an individual, I have no social circle of my own, and although I moved out at 18, all I gained was poor mental health (Its better now) and very little experience. I think that's where my concern comes from when I see others marrying young. It's really important to develop who you are as an individual, I am happy I came to realise that, I hope others acknowledge that too.

I think Haley is the biggest example of “purity culture christian who would’ve benefited from going to college and getting some real world experience” I can think of. I can’t help but wonder how differently she might’ve turned out if she wasn’t in such a religion-focused friend group/community or at least kept up friendships with people like Ashley (Bestdressed) and gotten more diverse life advice. It would’ve been so cool to see her life if she’d finished high school (or at least gotten her GED if she hasn’t), gone to college, kept up with dance (which was the BIG draw of her channel for a lot of people for a while) and shelved marriage for a (long) while. She actually seems like a really cool young human, just clouded by the views that she lives in a bubble around. I think it’s hard to stay down to earth when you’re 1. rich 2. in an echo chamber 3. dealing with the entire world’s opinions so you feel defensive, and 4. living life through pinterest boards, your bible notes, and the IG explore page. I don’t think she’s the worst of the worst by far but damn, that almost makes it more irritating because she has so much potential to be more well-rounded than she is (if that makes sense). edit: i have to clarify that i don’t hate or think haley is a bad person at all! actually the opposite. she seems sweet but honestly... just young and dumb like most 18-20 year olds are lol. she just has a platform and no one to correct her when she’s wrong. i just think that she definitely would’ve flourished if she’d given herself the space and time to slow down and experience the world in a less “confined” (so to speak) kind of branding and community. she herself expressed feeling like she was rushing her life in early-2020 before ryan proposed to her (in what feels like, to me, love-bombing and trying to lock things down even tho Haley was obviously conflicted), which is where the big chunk of my concern (?) comes from.

Here's a weird request, can you do an evolution of your own content? Obviously you can't do an unbiased analysis but I'd like to see you talk about your KZfaq career and what brought you to where you are now. I think that would be very interesting to watch, although maybe not to make

Watch her leave the internet for a while and then come back pregnant💀

imagine if colleges/professors welcomed this kind of content as assignments. very professional, well edited & executed, and you can tell you’re interested in the topic!! you are also so well spoken

I remembering seeing a post of hers on my ig explore page with the caption “the way texas is handling the snow is so wholesome” or something like that and one of the picture was like a gratitude journal where she wrote “snow day” that tells me everything I need to know about her.

we need a video on simply nailogical she is one of the very channel who have been there for over 5 years and still is pretty relevant WITHOUT ANY CONTROVERSY

She didn’t listen to Avril Lavigne on repeat while playing webkinz and it shows

Honestly, as a girl close in age to Haley, I feel for her. I wish she would take these constructive criticisms and start fresh. She seems truly nice and well intended, but can’t seem to be content with who she is/ isn’t. I’d love to support her if she’d just put all this stuff behind her and humble down.

I remember a vlog where she was talking about how people shouldn't go to college. She said since she didn't have to go college and is super successful, people shouldn't go. It's almost like we all are lucky enough to become successful KZfaqrs and quit our jobs. It was so annoying to hear her talk about her success without acknowledging that she is fucking rich and has the privilege to skip school and not have to work at Starbucks and focus on her own business. What sucks, even more, is that she knows what it's like to be poor and struggle. She is just a rich bitch now. Eat the rich kids... EAT THE RICH.

honestly the problem is the “holier than thou” and “super mature” mindset they THINK they have

i feel so sad for her especially when you started talking about what happened to her in 2018. she's this 18 year old kid who suddenly got big on youtube for being this relatable teen, she had a good life, and then she gets into trouble in school, her parents get divorced, her mom loses her job, she's the only one supporting them financially, she's lost academically/career wise, stopped dance. you don't go through that stuff and remain a relatable teen because she just grew up too fast in that one year. she's still immature because of lack of experience but she's also had to put on this role of the adult. i feel bad for her

No matter what you’re talking about, I’m always so impressed with how well spoken you are. You talk so concisely and confidentially and I really admire that

I know you missed a huge chunk because haley deleted a lot of her vlogging videos, but her channel “tippies life" BLEW her up in the dance community. literally everyone in the community knew her. once she got "clout" on her regular channel and quit dance, she lost so much interest. she came off as unrelatable and snobby, which was so weird. I used to love her

Hannah just made me realize the Millenial/Gen Z split isn't determined by what year you were born, but by whether you, as a child, idolized a youtuber or idolized Avril Lavigne.

Another thing I find so annoying about all these people holding secret weddings during COVID is there is a difference between getting legally married and having a wedding ceremony. Yes, traditionally, most people do them one in the same, but during a time like this, if you want to be legally married sooner (like because you're waiting until marriage to have sex) then you can go down to the courthouse and have a judge marry you, and then have your big wedding once the pandemic has died down. But, you know, freedumb

personally i dislike her because she put out for adoption the dog that she had for 10 years because she said she was struggling financially just to buy/adopt a puppy a few months later.

After she whined and said she was pure so she shouldn’t get sti was when I lost all respect for her.Just because someone sleep around doesn’t mean they deserve a life long health issue from it

i feel like haley goes through these phases where she becomes super obsessed with something for a little bit and then just abandons it out of nowhere? like she had her retro reprise, her podcast, the traphamily channel, and now the interior design thing. and like when she starts one of these “phases” most of her energy/content revolves around it. lots of comments on the videos of the house renovation were saying that it seemed not genuine so i’m guessing that she started her house flipping/interior design phase, started the house thing, and now is bored of it but she’s too far in to quit her obsession now.

You should make one of these on Ryan too! After rewatching this, I was thinking about all of Ryan’s weird businesses like Neptune bottles, the hydra collective, this new pottery thing with Haley, etc. He used the “entrepreneurial skills” and Neptune bottles as his scapegoat for dropping out which was always weird to me

I love how you portray her as a person/ teenager navigating through life rather than just good or bad👏

One thing that I feel like is really important to talk about is the people in Haley’s life, because let’s be honest, the people in her life have failed her. It’s obvious that she has no one in her life anymore to tell her the harsh truths and to tell her ‘no’ when she needs to hear it. When her parents got divorced, it seems like she lost the people who were supposed to take care of her and mentor her. Now, the roles are flipped and Haley takes care of her mom. Do you really think her mom is gonna disagree with Haley and tell her she shouldn’t do this or that when Haley is literally providing for her and got her a condo? Also, just going off of video content so who knows what happens in real life, but it seems like Ryan never really tells Haley ‘no’, and she is always in the right. We need to remember that Haley is really just a kid who is going through a rough patch in her life. She was thrown into a position that no one her age should have to deal with and has understandably suffered and made very poor decisions because of it.

I have absolutely no interest in Haley Pham, just in well executed commentary videos/video essays. Woo let’s begin

My younger brother has a friend that sounds like she's being influenced in all the wrong ways by someone like Haley. She's obsessed with "building an empire" but when asked wtf that means, she doesn't have an answer. She quotes herself on her social media like she's a wise philosopher but is really just 20 and newly wed lol

I witnessed a sudden shift in Ryan's content when he started dating Haley. I tapped out because it started to revolve around her. The infatuation stage was really off-putting because I'd been watching this bright young guy, full of ideas, evolve independently and then it just dwindled. All the sudden almost everything was about or involved Haley. I think there is something to be said about two teens coming together at times in their lives when it would be beneficial to go at it alone and discover who they are individually. People really underestimate the power of friendship, which is a major building block in any relationship. Everything does not have to start off romantically. As you mentioned there were several times when Haley's content pivoted and even more so now. We see her trying on so many different costumes, identities, and ventures because she doesn't know who she is and there's nothing wrong with that. Eventually, hopefully she'll stumble upon herself. However, she's trapped herself in this world of "I'm supposed to be this." "I'm suppose to do that." "I want to be like that." And I think her relationship with Ryan enforces these expectations. Seems like there is no breathing room for the both of them. I hope that they both find themselves and I hope Haley gets the world experience/life experience and education she needs to become a well-rounded person. Also she could use a long break. Live your life offline, sit with yourself for a while.

Obsessed with this series!

I liked ryan when he did commentary but then he switched to challenges and stuff and like I couldn't care less lol

I was pretty forgiving for Haley Pham for a while.. but after she bought the house with Ryan and began living there it was just an odd shift into this new lifestyle she had. I didn’t feel like as a viewer I was still her friend she was sharing things with. I feel like the only person I watched for so long who stayed that way was Jenna Marbles who I always felt was just speaking to her audience almost like a friend.

Just throwing this out here... Evolution of Rhett and Link and their content? Since you've mentioned liking Rhett and Link it would be so fun to do a deep dive on their channels. Their longevity on this platform is so interesting and almost zero scandals in all those years.

haley has honestly always kinda given off the 'wannabe' vibe imo. not that its her fault, she seems deeply insecure and i have a funny feeling she has A LOT of unresolved trauma thats getting brushed to the side in the name of career and religion.

if she went to college and got a degree in business management or a similar area she would really really benefit. just throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks isn't indicative of a strong work ethic or business savvy mindset, but it isn't impossible to do what she's trying to do.

Mia Maples is the complete opposite of Haley Pham tbh. She’s genuine, always growing, and always has a balance of videos of what she wants to do on her channel and then also doing what her fans want to see.

i feel like they're trying to achieve what Aspyn Ovard and Parker did, get married young, buy a house, own different businesses... that's what i see

ryan's older stuff is compelling and entertaining commentary. i discovered him through his collab with danny gonzalez and instantly became a fan. it's crazy how much someone can change whilst on the internet - this tesla stuff hes doing now is plain irritating lmao edit: you guys in the replies are so right oh my god!!!

I haven't finished the video yet but I really hope you talk about how dangerous her message of "only unpure girls get yeast infections" is (this isnt verbatim what she said but along the lines) Like there is already a huge stigma surrounding women's reproductive health and how the only thing that can throw it off is s*x and that's not true and a really horrible thing to promote to her young audience...

ryan used to be my neighbor when they first started dating. they were so annoying. ryan and his roommates vandalized my car once and they were always taking up the communal study space for their youtube videos so no one could study there

the thing is she seems like shes just jumping from trend to trend and has no actual passion...like if she can find something that she genuinely enjoys i think her audience will evolve with her but instead shes throwing out stuff for money.

Don't know who she is but I'm here.

She’s trying to become that couple who has home decor at target.

as interesting as this was i honestly think ryans change is more fascinating to me, like he used to be making funny cody ko esque commentary videos (he even collabed with danny gonzalez i think) and then he suddenly switched to a family vlog/mr beast style which is usually criticized by people like cody and danny. i dont really see anything technically wrong with the changes he made but it’s such a dramatic shift that most of his old audience wouldn’t be interested in at all, and i wonder why he took that risk of losing so much of his viewers. also i just checked and i guess he’s still kind of posting commentary but the last time i had watched him he just completely stopped

I'm in the "I subscribed to her with the first shaving video" and "unsubscribed after greece" gang. I really cared about her though, sometimes I still check her channel, but the lack of masks is what stops me from subscribing again

I really miss Haley’s old content. She had that relatable spark like Emma chamberlain. However being exposed to all this money, fame, and responsibilities can most definitely change a person which is what we are seeing now.

She is a product of purity culture and on that fact alone I will never vibe with her I always sensed a bad aura from her

i swear to god if u ever have a career change PLEASE be a publicist omfg u would be so good at it and help celebs out sooo much lfmskdlk

She's obsessed with purity culture until it's posting bikini pics to boost her instagram likes.

This is comment isn’t just pertaining to Haley but I feel like being 20 and married is so incredibly young. You have no idea who you are. I’m 25 now and looking back at my 20 year old self, I’m so glad I spent it focusing on my friends and myself. I know a lot of people do it for religious purposes but ugh I can’t help but just see them as babies.

Honestly getting married in a pandemic is so selfish. If they had to get married go to a court house. I feel like alot of her behaviour recently has been self involved, with a lack of empathy for the real world because she is so privileged? And then the house rental renovation, renting keeps the lower classes without house security and hoards wealth with the already rich. But this is a systemic issue of capitalism so not her fault but the fact she chooses to ignore people who want to educate her on the issues of being a landlord when so many people are financially struggling right now & presenting herself as a charitable person is really contradictory and sad!?

People are allowed to do what they want, but whenever I hear "we're waiting till marriage", it's normally followed up by a rushed, way too young wedding. Almost like gatekeeping this natural impulse that we treat as the pinnacle of earthly pleasure behind marriage makes teens make impulsive decisions that are well above their level of comprehension

i discovered hayley when she was still in school and just vlogging casually. i absolutely loved her vibe and how sincerely different her content felt in terms of being sincere with her audience and being true to herself. as soon as the cash flow came rushing in, she made such a drastic 180 and became an entirely different person. it was incredibly sad to watch, and i could no longer support her after seeing her true colors surface.

I feel so conflicted about Haley, mostly because I'm worried about her. I started watching her when she was doing the Plan with Pham style videos and really enjoyed all of her content. I stopped watching her content for no particular reason in the beginning of 2019 and then the whole Greece thing happened and everything seems like a mess, specially her. Since she's supporting her mom and didn't go to college, I feel like she thinks she needs to keep this career going at all costs, but her content revolved around her life when she was 16, so now she has no idea of what to post. She tries to grab her old audience, but shes not 16 in her room making videos about dance anymore. She tries to grab a new audience, but doesn't know how to appeal to it when half of the internet just sees her as a spoiled child. In reality, I think she's completely lost, nobody takes her seriously and has nobody to guide her. She's trying to fix all of that in front of an audience that will criticise her every move and she needs to please that audiece while also having no idea how to do it. When you pair this with the fact that she's a huge prefectionist, you get what's happening now: a flip flop between ideas that she either doesn't fully love, her audience doesn't love or both. I feel like the only way to fix this right now is taking some time off to go to therapy, find herself, work through trauma that she has accumulated over these years and find what she trully wants to do with her channel and herself. Trying to figure herself out on camera is not going well and I really hope she finds her niche and her passion for youtube again.

“Thank god we don’t stay the same as we were during 16, 17” HARD SAME

I feel like a lot of the frustration is that her initial target audience just cannot relate to her anymore. A lot of us find creators our age and grow up with them, but personally I do not know many 20 year olds getting married and finding marriage content and home renovation content relatable. I'm 23 and single, living with my parents, working 40 hours a week to pay college loans. We live entirely different lives, and that content is just not what interests me anymore. I think that is the case with a lot of her core subs as well.

An evolution of bestdressed would be so cool especially since lately she rarely uploads

Excited for this!! 1) you’re makeup is PARTICULARLY *chef’s kiss* today and 2) Haley Pham is one of the very few KZfaqrs I used to be a big fan of and ended up unsubscribing before any major drama just because the vibes went sour

I think at this point Haley needs to just admit she doesn’t care at all what her followers want to see from her. It’s obvious that her and Ryan are just living in their own little bubble and doing whatever they want (getting married) and they don’t care what others think. I absolutely think the money got to her head but I find it hard to believe that anyone her age who was given her platform and money would end up any different. Obviously if you suddenly have excess money you are going to spend it. Everyone thinks their high school sweetheart is the one, Haley and Ryan are just an example of what happens when you are young and have a relationship. I’m sure most high school aged kids/young adults wouldn’t turn down a mansion if that’s something they could afford. It’s clear with the wedding and the house flipping that they are so far gone from reality that they don’t care. They lack the ability to read the room. Asking people to buy stuff so she could pack orders is just mind blowing. The whole Tesla race thing Ryan is doing sounds so stupid I haven’t even watched it. At this point they are just flaunting their money and they don’t care what anyone else thinks and they will keep making bad decisions because they don’t care about the backlash

I was very disappointed when they did not acknowledge the Texas snow disaster at all. In the past they’ve given donation to homeless shelters and now that feels like it was for clout because when something happened where they had power to help they didn’t even mention in their videos or social posts.

evolution of bestdressed? her channel is always about fashion, but she is changing (even before the hiatus) and i cant point out why