What I don't understand is if we have the goal line technology to determine whether the ball has fully crossed the line or not, then why can't they implement similar technology to determine if the ball has fully crossed any lines? Why just limits on the goal line?

Here we go again, completely spreading lies. Arteta didn't say "mistakes happen, you've got to get on with it" after the Spurs vs Liverpool game, immediately after that game he said he sympathises with Liverpool and how these mistakes cost teams vital points. The "mistakes happen" was a week after when he was asked a completely different question, but the media yet again continues to try and divide fanbases so that we never come together against PGMOL, right on que they've pitted Liverpool fans against Arsenal fans when they should be united on this issue given recent weeks.

Well done Sky, cushioning the PGMOL👏🏻

Joelintons's non celebration shows he knew he fouled the defender. Players reactions are often a better thermometer of what's really happening in the pitvh.

Hilarious watching them try to distract you from institutional incompetence.

Bunch of yes men for the PGMOL. Way to go. The only person missing was Michael Owen.

What really is incredible, is that VAR has limited view points, no Ariel view which could nullify all these comments. The EPL is covering up their mess. What is fresh in my head is that last season two apologies cost Arsenal 5 points 😢

This is play is similar to Wolves vs Newcastle last season. Pedro Neto pushed Newcastle player to win ball in midfield and wolves scored a goal from that turnover. Jimenez scored but was disallowed because of obvious push. It doesn't matter if Gabriel is already going down, u can't put ur hands on player like that. It's clearly a foul and it's amazing it wasn't disallowed

Last week the minimal contact got City a penalty, this week it's not enough of a touch

The real reason why they all mad is because Arteta question the legitimacy of the EPL being ranked first in the world…they cant handle criticism 😂

LOVE MY CLUB..... THAT STATEMENT WAS BEAUTIFUL ❤❤❤❤❤❤......

The fact we need this conversation days after and a show about it tells you how far behind football is. You don't see such thing in cricket or tennis. Decision should be decided immediately without debate using technology

It's nonsense to say anything about the onfield decision. Refs and linesman don't make the call anymore on these types of decisions. They leave it for VAR

The world we live today where you have to tell lie in other to keep your job intact. Absolute disgrace 😢

For anyone wondering, the like/dislike ratio is currently 1.0k/1.9k Everybody sees through these fake analyses. These people are clearly being paid by the league

He acknowledged it was a push but said it wasn't a foul because of Gabriel's body position. A push is a foul...

How this guy says the push on Gabriel was not a foul is laughable. Jokers. The fact you are still discussing it 2days later speaks for itself.

The body position story is a lot of BS. Came on guys you better then this.

This is ridiculous.. Watching them justify this nonsense.. That was a foul and the goal should have been ruled out.. If you hate Arsenal, I guess you can find a reason to justify it..

The problem is "inconclusive", wasn't this the point of VAR to take that away and make it "conclusive"?

You can totally hear/feel how trained these responses are in this discussion. These aren't people openly talking about an issue, these are people being paid to say what needs to be said to damage control. And they're even openly criticising a club for calling them out on their mistakes. As a football fan first, I find this disgusting, distasteful, and it's ruining my interest for the sport, as it's becoming more and more obvious it's being paid for. Paid defense like this is in an attempt to ease pressure on the relevant parties (PGMOL) to actually tackle the issue at it's core: firing whoever's in charge of and causing this sheer incompetence, or bringing the corruption into the light with lawsuits etc. If you want good premier league based football discussions, go watch other non-uk football platforms, where they aren't paid to read scripts. It's funny, every other countries' football platform have a completely different sentiment to Sky's on this matter, they're all professional, so I wonder what the difference is...

If you actually had Arteta's quotes RE: Liv vs Spurs in context, you'd see there is no hypocrisy at all.... He said Klopp was right to be angry and the officiating was not good enough, but that sacking a ref for a mistake was not in his control and that they should be supported as individuals. It's the PGMOL that's the problem not necessarily the individual refs.

"on field decision." The referees have been told not to judge anything unless they are 100% sure, so VAR can look at the situation afterwards. That is the most incompetent argument you can make.

If you still can't admit that Gabriel was supressed and pushed with both hands, then you need help with your basic morals.

Blud saying a push against Gabriel Is not a foul is completely laughable.

Dermot said he would give a foul for that push just after the match. For the other guy, when a cross is coming in (not a corner kick) you attack the ball not the man and Joelinton had his hands on Gabrielle's neck/back before the ball got to him. 100% foul. If you don't like Arteta's rant, say so. After all we have witnessed a lot of controversial and inconsistent decisions with only 11 games in. When does it get too much? Best league, richest league. It's not acceptable

Jesus Christ. They literally look uncomfortable as they won’t speak against PGMOL

Its appalling for a league that is watched globally to have low standard punditry and officiating at the same time considering also the money invested to this game and millions of people who pay world wide to watch the matches.

There is no point in listening to opinions of people who are paid to protect these ridiculous decisions and officiating.

flawless victory - Arteta proven to be a fraud, Gabriel at fault for the goal and Arsenal exposed for their lack of ability to handle the occasion.

This pundits are really against arsenal those are pure errors u can see

United had a carbon copy of this goal with the ball going out and the goal was disallowed. No consistency

The guy in white top literally didn’t watch the game or he’s trying to be Liverpool fan. He makes absolute no sense in his assessment.

Let's assume it was a 50%/50% chance of each of the 3 decisions going either way. Then, let's now use a toss-coin call as an analogy where the chance of getting it right is 50%/50% each time. So, without getting into when the call should end, the chance of getting making the right call 3 times in a row is: 50% * 50% * 50% = 12.5% or 1 out of 8: - RRR, WRR, RWR, RRW, WWR, WRW, RWW, WWW. Going by the farcical decisions this season, I've little confidence that it was RRR this time. (I'm neither an Arsenal nor Newcastle fan, just a fan of fair play & logical decisions. Instead of the beauty of the game , I seem to see a circus sometimes.)

Are they just going to not talk about Bruno’s assault on Jorginho?

Mad how this goal stood when ball is over the line when man United goal was disallowed for the same thing

The guy in white shouldn't be in the studio, the 16 is a sensitive decision

As an Arsenal fan I am embarrassed of Arteta, the guy is total mr.excuses. He is a total embarrassment to Arsenal fc. I would be surprised if he keeps his job next year when we don't win a single title.

I’m no Arsenal fan, but it’s funny to see how Stephen Warnock switched tone compared to the Spurs v Liverpool analysis 😂

Those folks mocking Arsenal fans n Arteta for complaining wud b d 1st ones to storm d comments sections wit rage if sumthing like this happens to their beloved teams n it wud happen eventually 1 day

There isn’t one angle where the ball looks like it’s still in play, wtf are they on about. They didn’t give Utd a goal because supposedly Rashfords pull back out of play was “inconclusive”. Secondly it was clearly a foul. These channels and pundits losing respect by the day.

Thousands of cameras recording that moment and they're only showing us two angles. That says it all.

If VAT can not overturn a referee's decision if its incorrect what is the point of having it?

Why do we need VAR if everything finally comes down to on-field decision ? Let's go back to the Flintstone era football !

These guys are trying to show the whole world that VAR is okay and trying to divert the blame on Arteta, so what they are trying to say is " when VAR and the Refs make a mistake continuously, no one is supposed to say anything". As a person from Africa, that is what we call disctatorship 😂😂

There is not enough honesty with football players: it is called 'professionalism'!

Let me guess, VAR was right? Dermott talking about the refs decisions on field, but they won't make a decision because they're told to let it run and VAR will sort it out 😂

The foul being a subjective decision should make the VAR recommend the on field referee to review it on the screen

Bunch of PGMOL officials coming out to justify the incidents, what a bunch of clown

i love that they aren't showing any images or video. Gabriel was pushed well before the ball arrived.

Can't help but laugh 😂🤐

The VAR handling has been a complete joke this season. The PGMOL is covering their own asses and Howard Webb has to make some kind of assessment of the quality of these match officials. It’s truly shameful at this point.

They turn the script to say arteta and the managers are incompetent rather than criticising the actual referees who can't even make proper decisions.

Enough with Arteta’s comments after the Liverpool game! What was he supposed to do, come out with a statement that could potentially get him in trouble for a game that doesn’t concern him? Of course not, he was always going to save that for when Arsenal are on the receiving end of it

How was that not a foul??!! My God!!!

If these people were actually proper journalists they would review the decision against the Rashford one the other week and debate the inconsistency

Liverpool was 1 mistake and Arsenal is 3 var mistakes

So your body position is a determinant of if a push is a push? what is this world coming to?

"I think it's not a foul because I think Gabriel gets his body position wrong" - I ask anybody to watch just how Joelinton jumps INTO Gabriel with both arms into the back of his neck and explain to me how in the hell Gabriel is supposed to be in control of his body position. If that is what attacking players are allowed to do then we're going to have a free for all all season.

the problem in this league is people involved in the decision process know nothing about the game some of them never played so how do you expect this things to go into right direction

Every Sunday league player is becoming a pundit nowadays.

Hardly crime of the century. Ball was in, no foul, no offside. Get over it

This is the problem with the rules of the game. It leaves to so many "I think this" and "I think that"

Last season it was Brentford and this season it's Newcastle Arteta is so unlucky in the PL.

I’m sorry but the guy in blue is being foolish for saying Arteta is moaning. So the inconsistency should continue? Rubbish

😂 😂 😂 😂 Why ain't I surprised that they all sit on the same side and give a semblance of thinking about it

Anyone saying this goal should have stood has no integrity

This bloke knows where his salary comes from, what does position have to do with a man being pushed. The club statement will make sure this nonsense doesn’t happen again at least until January for Arsenal or Liverpool, you can’t keep defending incompetence Dermot just stood there and said VAR is no better than on field decision then goes on to say we need VAR what a joke 😂

Stop defending the undefendable guys.

It really frustrates me when you hear players talk like this on the foul. It really is very simple, you are not allowed to push a player. Just because it happens and you get away with it, when technically you should not, does not mean that makes it okay. He stooping to head the ball, yes, but he is then pushed such that the header he was intending to make was not the header he put on the ball due to the push; he was impeded and that's a foul.

So if Klopp has something to say its all fine, but when Arteta does its distasteful? Regardless of how Arteta reacts when it doesn't matter to him, what matters is when it happens to him, because at that point he's motivated enough to complain about his experience of the problem.

The fella on white spilling crap

No matter how much you defend, this was not a goal. It’s a disgrace

This proves there are not enough cameras, angles, refs suitible, at the highest level in Prem!

WHY are they ignoring the hand ball?? Even when it was mentioned here it was totally ignored and not addressed at all in this conversation. It is a huge smoking gun that settles the argument on the spot. We have been told in the past that a hand ball in the direct lead-up to a goal will result in the goal being chalked off, right or wrong? A check wasn't even made by VAR on this because I can only imagine that they somehow missed it, even though they went over the connected incident (the push) multiple times. Maybe that's why it isn't being spoken of?

Why POGML doesn't implement semi automated offside that was successful in the last year's World Cup...

Christ. If this goal had been for Arsenal and against Newcastle the discussion wouldn’t have gone past the match day. Get a grip!

If Gabriel was a Newcastle striker in an Arsenal penalty box, I guarantee you that push would have been adjudged a foul.

"eyes tell you a different story at times" I am glad that refrees detect the game through sonar and doesn't use eyes 😂

“Is it before or after he’s headed the ball with his arms “ this whole incident is crystal clear 😂

EPL officials need to be serious about their VAR decisions because it's disgusting to watch these errors over and over again...

Shocking that these people say that the on field decision was…. There was no on-field decision, they wait for the var.

This, like most other sports, shows how either incompetent OR how much the referee system is corrupt. A mistake is one thing, but blatant missed/bad calls, including VAR decisions (or lack thereof) has made it where watching the sport not enjoyable anymore.

DON'T TRY TO FOOL US THE BALL WAS 100% OUT OF PLAY!

Let them release the audio between the VAR team and the onfield Ref we will know if they are right or not.

I don't remember Rashford's assist that wasn't to be being discussed this much

The biggest issue for me is the fact that there is a disparity between what constitutes an “on-field decision” and a “clear and obvious error”. The on-field referees let things play on with the hope that VAR will overturn bad decisions, however, VAR then doesn’t see these “decisions” as “clear and obvious errors”. We should be done with this half-assed approach, either go all in on VAR or get rid of it because it’s not achieved what it was supposed to, which was to make clearer and better-informed decisions. This is not a final verdict, it’s taking the piss trying to diminish the larger issues with VAR.

You can deny the out of bounds, offside and foul. But there was still a handball

I don’t know who’s this guy talking’s but he’s really touching my nerve. Arteta spoke because there were so many errors since last season.

VAR is responsible for calling on the ref and telling him that he made the wrong decision

Arteta is right!!! If the coveralls fit......You just need to rewind to last season, you can count the number of times Arsenal lost points because of bad officiating, and took it in the chin and proceeded without complaining. Now into the current season it seems to be worsening. Someone must say something. They’re quick to criticise Arteta but they make excuses for themselves ....They must rake the scathing criticism and improve

3:08 if you take out the technology we go back to having blind dumb referees that are probably the worst bunch of officials in the world today. Next to the Indian Football officials whom have a donation box open in the referee locker room before the game

POINT BLANK AND PLAIN STOP USING VAR FOR MATCH FIXING..

I just love how Sue Smith speaks… the voice, the accent, everything.

Arteta and arsenal are correct. is that even feasible for him to get emotional over his rivals????. He did wat he had to do.

Once again, extend the goal line technology across the entire line, if it’s too close on an offside advantage attacking side, can it really be that hard to put in place?

Shut up - decision has been made - case closed- everyone has moved on - Newcastle & Arsenal are focus on the champion league & there is another game on Saturday. Does sky want to talk about this till death

That’s not true. Arteta stood up fur Liverpool..!!! Sky have lied about what he said. The LIES about what Arteta said are WRONG.

Next time a player gets in the way of a 2footed leg braker, we have to assume he got his position all wrong😂

The Liverpool guy clearly had an agenda.😅