Glimmer being described as kind hearted is really funny in hindsight

"this is not Dunban" Hilarious in hindsight considering Shulk became Dunban right down to his moveset lol

There is a theory that Ortiz and Rhodes are a reincarnated Klaus and Galea, respectively. Ortiz’s description matches Shulk, but also pre-experiment Klaus, being a scientist who crafted a lot of the stuff found in Elysium, as well as jumpstarting life in Alrest. Rhodes’ description lines up with how Galea was a compassionate goddess as Meyneth. Plus, the fact that they would have been reincarnated as people of the world opposite the one they were most benevolent to is a delicious source of irony.

Well with the recent trailer the house crests finally make sense: 1. Rhoads - Glimmer's spear that turns into a chello 2. Cassini - Rex's aegis swords 3. Vandham - Matthew's gauntlets 4. Doyle - Na'el's energy attack in her artwork 5. Reid - Shulk's monado / A's lucky 7 6. Ortiz - Nikol's mecha arms (surprisingly not high entia wings afterall)

Slightly off tangent, but I love the fact that the argument used against a sequel or prequel is that either goes against the theme of moving on and rejecting the endless now.

26:50 nicely done. Great guess predicting this was a kid of rex and pyra/mytrha. Just rewatching this after completing the DLC is really fun to see the comparisons and predictions

This aged incredibly well, good job Luxin!

The video we’ve all been waiting for since reaching the City…

Crack theory about Shulk’s lifespan. I think your point about Rex living so long because he’s the driver of an Aegis is not only correct, but the same reason Shulk is alive. Because Shulk IS an Aegis driver, or at least the Xenoblade 1 equivalent, thanks to Alvis/Ontos. He’s even got the same core crystal acting as a pacemaker thing going on after Mechonis Core.

I'm frankly thrilled I managed to work out the 7th Founder and get fairly close to the mark as to the reasoning behind the mystery of the 7th Founder. Seriously though, Riku is an absolute gigachad. A Founder who lent his significant technical expertise to develop the city, an Ouroboros Stone developer who helped bring the stone to its full power, the keeper of Lucky Seven who waited for so many years for a worthy wielder, a frigging genius engineer, and he never seeks credit for anything.

For Rex’s age problem to be the founder of the house of Cassini, it could be that because he was the driver of the aegis, he lived a longer lifespan. In chapter 5 of XC2, the party was surprised when amalthus appeared so young, to which he replied something along the lines of “i am indoline and the driver of an aegis: it keeps me young.” Then again, he was a **SPOILER** blade eater and cleansing core crystals.

it is really funny how when before XC3 released and people were theorising over who Guernica is, a lot of people thought he was Rex or Zeke. Meanwhile one of the Founders' mentors in the game is (according to this vid) Rex with his outfit inspired by Zeke. It all comes full circle.

I believe that the identity of the 7th is... No one in specific. Like... they made it vague on purpose... Because it’s supposed to be the Hero spot. If we get a Founders DLC, the 7th founder spot is gonna represent the heroes we play with

15:29 bruh ain't no way you nailed this lmao

Welp, we figured out who the 7th founder is, and you had it right the first time lol The 7th founder was Riku, and he chose to keep this fact hidden so he wouldn’t have to account for the fact that he was inexplicably still alive.

And now this video needs to be redone given that the DLC gives us SOOOOO much more context to everything.

Its so satisfying hearing Shulk's and Rex's descriptions now that its confirmed to be them 👌

Going back to this video after Future Redeemed is a ride and a half

It would be a hilarious bit of fanservice in a prequel story if we get to see an older Shulk (Reid) find a younger version of himself fighting as a Kevesi soldier (probably against Rhodes) and decides to rescue himself.

You have retriggered all the agony I felt back at launch when I first found the statues and the circles I ran trying to decipher what it all meant. Glad to see an effort made though, and I certainly feel closer to something of an answer from your video and the comments people have posted. I need more. I have to assume that the second DLC Hero will bring yet another bombshell in their own right (where are they at this point anyways? Omg it feels like it’s been forever since Not-Poppi Ino dropped) and I just have to hope that they answer these questions with them or the story expansion that we still haven’t heard about.

I would love a video explaining the Motes seen when sending people off, especially what the different colors might mean. I'm particularly curious about the scene where Noah realizes why Motes still appear when he off-saw Joran's puppets. I think the yellow motes seen at homecoming represent the will to move on from the endless now, explaining how they never come back and how they weaken Z and Moebius (who represent the will of the people to stay in the endless now), since they have less life in the population to feed off.

I think Rex and Shulk DID live for centuries, and it comes down to how they were carried over and not reborn. There is dialog about it in Future Redeemed.

Two things: First, I expect the DLC to take place after the main game with questions about the past of Aionios being answered through flashbacks of various characters. Eunies entire subplot after all confirms that experiencing memories of past lives through dreams is a thing that can happen.. Second, on Vandham and Doyle being possibly the children of pre mobius M and N, it has to be noted that Ms death scene takes place in a medical facility, the same facility she gave birth to their son, and her dying due to her time running out, as we can see from the yellow motes coming from her, is very unlikely to be the reason for her to be in the medical facility at that point.

I think the Wave 4 DLC trailer just revealed that the statues are indeed Rex and Shulk.

Coming back here after the trailer dropped. 26:31 - Now we know it is not just a core crystal, but it was in the shape of one of the Aegis cores.

Getting back here from the dlc announcement, you got almost all right sheesh.

18:39 THANK YOU! I thought it was obvious by the front hair, undershirt, and the damn RED SWORD mentioned in the description. but some people still failed to see that this is shulk

YOOOOOOOOO WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE NOW

Well now we know the mentors of Reid and Cassini are actually Shulk and Rex, as well as how Vandham actually looks like.

Turns out all the symbols were the founders' weapons after all. Matthew is the Ouroboros knuckles Na'el is her Ether Accelerators Rex and Shulks are ther swords. Nikol is the arms from his backpack Glimmer is her Kithara weapon

It’s honestly scary how well this video aged

18:52: But that's Dunban over there!

I never even considered that there would could be 2 Shulks. I love the visual though. Shulks daughter telling younger shulk about her dad and possibly even lending older shulks notes to kevesi shulk so he could forge is own monado.

personally i always liked the idea that the 7th founder was Consul A, it would make sense for them not to want to make a statue glorifying the enemy faction, and yet wanting to honour their memory. also saves their design reveal and probably late game joining the party if this is indeed where the DLC will be based.

First day of the year and we get a banger Luxin video. Starting off right.

I love how well this video aged with the majority of the guesses and how much it missed on the Ouroboros parts ;) Also, House Ortiz's emblem being their unique weapon is a nice touch.

Looking at these statues now after the dlc puts me at a loss for breathe because of how well all of it comes together!

25:25 I love how everyone calls it Ortiz even though it's Oritz

I think the explanation to Rex being alive is that the former lives from Bionis and Alrest who didn't fit the "Soldier" criteria and thus were left unmarked by Moebius were given the Klaus treatment, granting them immortality until they were inevitably slain by Moebius. That's the best headcanon I can come up with.

I think the Founder represents each protagonist in the Xeno series. Fei, Shion, Shulk, Cross, Rex, and Lora.

9:30 Based on the idea each house references a field of human achievement, Rhode's field would be Medicine, and Ortiz's field would be Invention. Film(Vandam), Literature(Doyle), Science(Cassini), Art(Reid), Invention(Ortiz), and Medicine(Rhodes). When writing this, I also noticed that the pairs of human achievements had parallels. Film and Literature are forms of Media, Science and Art tend to pair as a direct opposition, and Medicine and Invention are forms that directly improve people's quality of life.

Broke: Ortiz is Shulk Woke: Ortiz is Juju

Here after the teaser

Studying this video in preparation for Wave 4

Great video as always Luxin. Reading the original Oroborus statues was very confusing for me but you’ve helped make things understandable. Xenoblade 3 is a beautiful game

Not original here but Ortiz and Rhodes being a reincarnated Klaus and Galea would be a pretty solid solution to Klaus's final words of "maybe I can face you again, one day, Galea" and this also being the last game that's supposed to relevant to "the experiment" Also I swear we better get a follow up on all of the gnosis nonsense that was going on with the fog King if we get any more shulk content

It’s pretty obvious that interlinking isn’t exclusively romantic. Do remember that the party would have happily killed each other in the beginning of the game. However it is a process that can easily turn romantic. Interlinking requires the absolute baring of one’s soul to their partner. Despite the bluntness of how it’s depicted it’s a very intimate and even life changing experience. With that kind of closeness is it really any surprise that it tends to form close relationships.

Watching this after the Rex reveal is insane

Honestly good job, highly accurate prediction.

Here's my theory from extensive consideration of how everything fits: 1. VANDHAM: N and M's grandson. Pretty obvious pick. I can see some interesting drama in a confrontation between Vandham and N. 2. DOYLE: N and M's granddaughter. Added drama for N to scowl at. 3. CASSINI: Obviously Rex as a mentor. I wouldn't be surprised if Aionios's frozen time caused him to stop aging. That's a cool theory. His apprentice likely won't be anything special, but we'll see. 4. REID: The statue here is definitely of Shulk. Probably has a prolonged life similar to Rex. However, I believe this form of Shulk is dead. If the apprentice is his adopted daughter, that would be cool. 5. ORTIZ: With the mentor Shulk dead, I imagine his soul was returned to Origin and thrown into the Endless Now as a Kevesi soldier. This opens the way for an interesting dynamic between him and Reid. 6. RHODES: Absolute mystery here, but I would be totally fine with her being the bland one of the group. 7. FOUNDER 7: Yeah probably Nia. With how short the DLC will be, I can't see them having a bloated cast. The only other person I could see is Riku, but Nia's more likely.

Luxin ALWAYS KNOWS

I’d love to see a Fei & Elly/Noah & Mio comparison video in the future.

So interesting coming back to this video after FR. I think you should do a follow-up video

came back to see how right you were about things. right about pretty much everything lol well done

This is my favorite thing to talk about from 3. I'm so excited for the DLC. I wanna see my boy shulk all grown up so bad.

I know the shipping community wants interlinking to be purely romantic, but funny enough, I think that itself it a bit limiting. Moebius took almost all bounds and connections between people out of the world. Romantic love, fraternal love, and the love between friends. (Indeed, I think it's poignant that the painting Moebius wanted destroyed by Colony 0 when restored was named siblings.) I think our three sets of protagonists display the varied ways of love which Moebius removed. The romantic love between Noah and Mio, the almost sibling like love between Sena and Lanz, and the love of friends between Eunie and Taion.

An epilogue would be nice because it reasonably brings back like 90% of the characters anyways and there's some plot holes they need to patch up with the city/reincarnations that I hope we don't just sit on. Having an epilogue where the founders exist because of the worlds separating (and then maybe merging? or being close enough to facilitate travel) would be a decent patch to both ends.

Oooh the Rex living a long time may also be an Aegis driver thing. It's a long stretch because of the whole Conduit disappearing thing but there is the line about Amalthus being especially long lived even for an Indoline person so perhaps there is some lingering effect there.

Honestly this video has made me more excited for the DLC. I always said I would be pretty disappointed if it was a prequel focusing on the Founders but after watching this video that would be almost as exciting as a sequel. Seeing different incarnations of Shulk and Rex, wondering who their disciples are, Noah (N) being the bad guy, etc. Interested to see the Kevesi and Agnian founders. The girl has an interesting design and the boy looks way too much like Shulk so I wonder what that’s about. Also if the gameplay heightens XC3s combat like Torna did to XC2s that would be awesome.

I'm just stoked that we might get to see Vandham v. N in the DLC story

Oh boy first banger video of the year

I do believe that you are correct about rex being the mentor of house cassini because you can see rex wielding both aegis swords in the nintendo direct today

After the teaser for wave 4 it looks like we are getting a founders DLC with Shulk and Rex looking like their statues and we got a look at the house Vandham founder who uses the Lucky 7 gauntlet to fight. I also wouldn't be surprised if the last 2 founders you mention were the children of Shulk and Rex with how similar they look to Shulk and Pneuma.

Really interesting watching this post Future Redeemed

You should have revisited this after the DLC wave 4 trailer drop

I have never heard anyone refer to Founder Reid as Dunban until you said it. It's not Dunban over there though at all. Cassini is Rex 100% and Reid is Shulk 100%. I thought I knew so much about the founders but your video got me much more interested in them which makes both a prequel dlc and epilogue dlc equally interesting!

Great content, as usual.

In my opinion, I think these are who the founders’ statues are depicting: Ortiz: Shulk’s son Reid: Older Shulk Doyle: the descendant of N and M Vandahm: the descendant of N and M Cassini: Older Rex Rhodes: Either Pyra or Mythra’s child, since one of them could reasonably have a child that looks like Pneuma This is gonna be a bit off topic, but because Mio is heavily implied to be Nia’s daughter, I think it could be a possibility for Noah to be Shulk and Fiora’s son. It’s definitely possible that Fiora has the dark hair gene so again, it’s possible. As well as the fact that Noah’s bangs that cover his ears and the hair in his forehead resemble Shulk’s hair and bangs. And it also makes sense when you factor in Crys and Ortiz potentially being Shulk’s children as well, since it would parallel Rex having 3 children.

i gotta say after finished FR I surprise on how accurate some your theory is

Watching this again after the return of Ontos.

I was waiting for these videos since I finished the game. LET'S GOOOO I need theories I NEED THEM

When the realization that Rex has a huge family tree in Aionios and start tracing it back in shock.

There's plenty to work with when it comes to Rex still living a long time, that plenty of people already pointed out. I'd say the main reason why Rex was alive then is the same reason why Mythra & Pyra weren't around

I'm pretty certain the DLC will be a prequel but I'm hopeful we'll flash forward in the epilogue to see what happens to Noah and everyone at the end with a pretty long cutscene.

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I love how Luxin is literally just a more disorganized, lower budget matpat but for everything Xeno related. Don't take that as an insult tho, I love that about Luxin.

I'm watching this video again after the DLC tease in today's direct! I CAN'T WAIT!

Looks like the Founders were Rex, Shulk, Glimmer(Rex and Pyra's daughter), Nikols(Shulk and Fiora's son), Matthew(A descendant of N/Noah) and Nael

I've been waiting for this video tysm ily

this aged well XD

Oh well seems this vid needs to be remade now

About that sword side tangent, I think that it's actually noah using the original, with N using a replica. I first work on the assumption that the sword we see the noahs use in the memories isn't the sword that was actually used at the time, and that the sword that was used contained the original lucky 7, that was recovered and later on given to our noah. I suspect they showed that sword so as to hint at how these incarnations are the ones that make up N, and to differentiate them from the noah we play as. I can base some of this on two things: The first, being how when you become moebius, you are given a black and purple version of the blade you used in life. A prominent example of this is with J, as we get to see the weapon he used before, and to an extent, M too. Moreover, I would imagine that recreating lucky 7 is more than feasible for Z, as he clearly can do it, or at the very least, he has the means to upgrade it (the sword N uses in the last fight in chapter 7 is proof of that). The second being something Z says in a cutscene in chapter 7: "The sword of the end... Of all the vestiges of Origin, strewn throughout the world, who knew this fragment yet remained?". This quote leads me to believe that he thought that the sword was lost, or was no more. But more than that, it implies that this sword noah is using was known about at one point, and perhaps that it's even older than N's sword.

THE CRESTS ARE THEIR WEAPONS!

I adore the idea of rex using santoryu with the blades of his wives lmao

Man, I finally finished the game and some of the after game stuff, and now I have been binging your XB3 videos, and I finally caught up. lol

About Rex and Shulks ages, my guess would be, that they fullfilled some special role in Origin similar to the Queens. Being a High Entia isn‘t enough to explain Melia not aging since the beginning of Aionios.

What if Ortiz is actually one of Shulk and Fiora’s children and also a brother of Crys. This obviously explains why he is so similar to shulk. And for whatever reason he was never reborn.

Just rewatched this. We are getting a founders Prequal for sure. I would have preferred a sequel, but this is it. Shulk, Rex and Founder Vandam have the exact same designs as the 3 in the Wave 4 DLC trailer. And Alvis being Mobius A is just the icing on the cake. I assume in the story we'll get how Shulk loses his arm, and how Rex an eye. It all makes sense. I'm really disappointed that it's not the outside Ionios versions of them, as you seem to have put together alot of details here already. But founder Vandam pretty much confirms the prequal.

A map men reference in a Xenoblade video is something I really did not expect

Thanks for the video! There are so many things in this series I didn't catch while playing... Like something that seems to be obvious to anyone else, how Futures Connected is related to XC3 (besides the fact there was a dimensional rift in it). Maybe there was an important bit of lore during a fight and I missed it. Nothing much to say about the theories in these video, except that I agree there being 2 Shulk is plausible, especially considering it would be a nod to the two (main) versions of XC1 that exist (normal and DE+FC). As for interlinking... It obviously requires deep trust and understanding, which I believe are two out of three components of love (trust, understanding and affection). I don't know if "affection" is also a requirement (I'm not sure the XC3 pairs had such strong affection before interlinking, or if it came later), but in any case some form of love (familial, romantic, student-mentor) is going to provide the requirements for interlinking. More information on the Lost Number's Ouroboros candidates may shed some light on the topic, as they probably select people who have or may acquire similar relationships if it's a factor.

This video definitely makes me think a DLC will happen with the house founders, it would be amazing to see these dots connect with NM Rex, etc

I would assume that, if Shulk and Rex were brought into Aionios as it is, that would be because of their connections with the old world, Klaus, and the Zohar. Since both Shulk and Rex wield Aegis, the AI from the old world, it's possible that Origin could have passed them over when they were making everyone reborn. Or perhaps the parties interactions with Zanza and the Architect caused them all to be passed over when rebirthing everyone, because it's not like we see any reincarnations of any of the main party members from either game. I'm not really sure how or why that would work, but we barely know how Origin works as it is.

It’s actually fun to have come back here after the futures redeemed trailer and seeing what was spot on and what wasn’t.

11:23 (spoilers for some relatively early parts of 3) We believe that it was said in the cutscene where Riku gave Noah Lucky Seven that there were seven blades made by seven smiths in ancient times, with Lucky Seven being only one of these.

Ortiz might be a reference to David "Big Papi" Ortiz, Hall of Fame baseball player.

I always looked at the vandham crest as a phoenix cause I assumed it was a reference to Roc! It just looks like a bird to me!

The ending completely blows the interlink pairs theory out of the water.

This may be me tryna extrapolate from not enough info but my interpretation is that the "first true ouroboros" refers to interlinking and the Ouroboros before just had weapon swapping or utilised the power the stone produced somehow. We never get any implication N and M or any pre N and M Noah's and Mio's can interlink which is odd cause they'd just need to swap in the models. There's also a line in Noahs Chapter 6 flashback scenes wtith the Ouroboros stones where the dude with Taions VA mentions some still hidden functions and "The power it's releasing is more than enough" possibly implying they were just opening and bottling the power the stone generated. We also see that the central bit housing the gear of origin that Vandham slams in to give the main party their powers is still intact. The cage bit around the gear also seems to be gone after Vandham slams it in, the gear is just hovering in place after and by the time Shania appears the stone itself loses energy so specifically pressing that big cylinder is likely the key to fully unlocking the Ouroboros power.

18:41 That's not Dunban over there!

Cassini also seems a bit like the Mobies Triton, which ultimately would be kind of funny for Rex to have turnned into but I can kind of see it.