What kind of monster consistently leaves stimpacks and wonderglue behind??

all the times I've looted that place, and I never even realized that there was a basement.

oh god... I took Cait there. The guy with the Fatman may have fallen of the roof after getting shot. because after the firefight, I turn around and was horrified to see Cait running towards me armed with the Fatman... I panicked and ran away, forgetting that she'd follow me...

"He's going to make sure Cruz is safe" Well, the Sole Survivor put an abrupt end to that huh?

I admit, I was also confused about the story, but I came to a different conclusion. I thought that maybe captain Wes had PTSD or pehaps had lost one too many patrols to the wasteland, and so that's why he was being so cautious. Plan a tactical raid on supermutants is okay, but an ambush? Pull out. Raiders in the neighboring town? Infiltrate, observe, disrupt, instead of attack. Wes didn't want to loose any more men. But, like you said, he couldn't afford to look weak.

Fair enough theory. From the perspective of a soldier I have another one...or three. Command isn't easy, the gunners are the closest to an actual military structure of any other faction... If they put their effort behind an actual cause it would be scary. Imagine for a moment that they had joined the minutemen at Quincy instead of killing them. the Minutemen would be a force to be reckoned with. Wes had certain expectations placed upon him as leader of the gunners. but at the same time when caught in the moment that might have just been a simple decision of making a responsible command Decision. a good Commander never throws away confidence soldiers without a good reason. that being said, if you were in the US military he probably would be commended for his action. but because the Gunners have a bit skewed ideas of what they have adapted from the US Military he realized he had to CYA (cover your a$$) fast. This is probably why He then publicly reprimanded his soldiers, and then gave them a relatively cheap punishment. He had to do something to protect his command, but he really didn't want to bring the hammer down on soldiers for following orders. "Reaming" is a common term for being yelled at by a superior, it may have other connotations, but I would not read too much into that. Last thing I am going to say on the subject is, don't underestimate the punishment. Though it is not a bad place to be, no good soldier likes being pulled from an assignment to be reassigned. It is that much worse when we are getting blamed for our superior's actions. A soldier, no matter how loyal, hates falling on the sword for someone else... even though they will do it if necessary. Wes would have probably made the guard duty temporary, and then put the gunners back in the field after the fuss died down.

"Chewed out" and "reaming me out" are pretty standard military jargon for yelled at or reprimanded, so I don't see that as evidence of a Romance.

That database network terminal you found is part of a BOS radiant quest where you have to escort a squire to hack into the terminal for pre-war research

the reason for ordering the retreat was more likely a tactical one (as that's the logical thing to do when faced with an ambush).

Captain Wes was probably playing Cruz vs Ryder to keep his underlings from eyeing his job. Cruz would have to spend more time keeping Ryder from stealing his job and Ryder would be spending his time going after Cruz instead of getting ideas about Captain Wes.

I always wondered why the Gunners are hostile towards the player. Aside from a few random encounters, they will always attack you on sight. Which does not make much sense, the Gunners are not a Raider gang, they are mercenarys for hire first and foremost. They have some agenda of their own, but mostly, they are fullfilling contracts (for example, trying to get the Gas from HalluciGen, delivering the Deathclaw egg to Wellington and so on). So they should not really have a reason to attack the protagonist on sight if he/she does not provoke them. Of course you could say, maybe someone paid them to do so. The problem with this is that there is no ingame evidence (like the Talon Mercenaries who carried a killing contract in F3, they hunted you because someone set a bounty on your head after you either disarmed the bomb in Megaton or your karma level got too high) so aside from being convenient, this explanation is not really valid. So I guess Bethesda made them a hostile faction for gameplay reasons and for the sake of enemy variety, but it does not make sense lorewise nor is it logical. I would have loved to see Bethesda implementing the Gunners as a joinable minor faction, even if it simply meant that more radiant quests would flood your Pipboy... Well, at least they know how to use their laser rifles and do not combine them with an antique, outdated and ineffcient firing system in form of a musket like some certain faction does...

“The Raiders are crazy.” Gunners: Hold our plaza.

3:45 X-6: "You're already dead" *NANI* ?!

"Why else would there be a man in military fatigues in here?" Not to discredit that galaxy news was in the pocket of the government, but you wouldn't need a military personnel to dictate propaganda. In fact that would be a rather bad idea. More appropriately the military fatigued man in the bathroom was probably a military journalist. Also, Wez fucking Cruz is a bit of a stretch and when a soldier uses the word "reaming" they do not mean the secondary part of that dictionary, they used the First definition.

HE LEFT A STIMPACK IN THAT MASTER LOCKED SAFE, I'M TRIGGEREDDDDDDD

As soon as you stated the theory about Wes being in love with Cruz and "reaming him out for a few minutes" I was starting to giggle...full on laughter seconds later when you started to show the definitions. Another excellent video Oxhorn, pretty sure I'm on like hour 7 of watching these at this point. I do hope you continue these when the next FO drops.

Since 'ream (me) out' is common slang for getting a reprimand, I think your gay theory is a bit of a stretch; but it's still way better than no explanation at all. lol

Based on my experience in the military, some commanders fear their subordinates will overtake them at some point in their career and they try to sabotage their rivals in some way. in this case, Cruz may have been an extremely competent leader that was becoming popular with the rank and file. Commanders in mercenary and pirate outfits throughout history were replaced by former subordinates that could actually deliver. There is a good chance that a rivalry was brewing and Wes took action to take Cruz down a few notches. Guard duty sounds cushy, but in an outfit that thrives on elan, it would be a nail in his careers coffin. Everyone hailed the pilots heroism after the battle of Midway, but you didn't hear a lot about the maintenence crews, ordnance teams, and deck officers of the task force that enabled the pilots success. The guy watching over the base will never haul in loot or win a great battle.

My favorite thing about Oxhorn's videos is they never leave me feeling like something was left out. Every time I feel like I have something to add, even as small as pointing out a humorous, possibly out of character hint like "reaming me out", and by the end of it... he's included it to. Keep up the good work, Ox!

I don't know if it's a glitch or what but every subsequent time I've gone back to Gunner Plaza, the generator is online but there's no Fusion Core in it. It's like it's powered by the souls of all the Gunners I keep slaying there. ...or maybe by the ghost of Wes' passion for Cruz.

I came to the same conclusion. Nothing else makes sense. The fact that Cruz has no idea what's going on makes them being related highly unlikely. He's as confused as anyone else about why he's being blamed and why he's being "punished" with a less dangerous task. Clearly Wes is protecting him for some reason. Who knows, maybe Cruz just reminds Wes of a brother who died growing up in the Commonwealth...but that seems a bit of a stretch.

Any one else feel like the gunners are really bland as a faction? I kinda thought that they would be more fleshed out as a faction, possibly even join-able. I thought they would work well as an alternate to the minutemen, especially with the business in Quincy. I would have thought there would be a greater focus on minutemen vs gunners in the story, but I guess raider in green also works.

all that Wonderglue left behind, ugh

I think the real mystery is... WHY DONT YOU EVER PICK UP THE ADHESIVE SCRAP!!!???

Maybe the gunners founders our remains US army after the war, Because theg are very military based with US ranks like coropral and private. And have many military grade weapons

Similar to the idea Oxhorn mentioned, Captain Wes is actually the older brother of Cruz & Cruz knows nothing of it.

Thanks for the great videos as always Oxhorn. The "database offline" terminal entry changes to a different (annoying) message once you finish BOS radiant quest "Learning curve" that targets GNN. The entry is merely there to indicate the terminal contains valuable information BOS wants and hasn't been looted yet.

Oxhorn has to be my favorite KZfaqr, I am a fallout nerd. But he missed a stimpack, and this bothers me lol

I love the 3 minute talk about Jim, Jared and Boris. It was kind of a fun break from gunner lore to office space-esque comedy. But I do not read many of the terminals so I hate to say that not only do I miss a lot of the lore of the game, I miss a lot of the silly jokes, references, and randomness Bethesda provided. I need to take time to read terminals on my next build.

Hey Ox, I've noticed you often miss interesting conversation between enemy npc's because you wear power armour and aren't sneaking. You might prefer a sneaky character for capturing footage

love that ur first instinct is that the cap loves cruz. makes the story that much more compelling

I really enjoy your videos, and it's pretty impressive how you can create long, high quality videos every single day. It's both inspiring and amazing. I haven't been subscribed for long, but I already love this channel, and I can't wait to see what you have planned for the future. Thanks for the content!

Reamed out is a commonly used term in the military for a really bad ass chewing. I'm former Army and it is a pretty common term. It is not to be taken literally.

Would have been cool to reactivate the station, then functional tv's would then start having broadcasts ranging from news that changes according to the actions of the character, calls for Minutemen help and so on. The love angle, while possible it isn't supported by anything other than speculation. Though, no other explanation is given as to the Captains decisions.

X6: i thought i saw something move Oxhorn: **continuous firing** X6: were not alone Oxhorn: **continues firing at enemies**

the argument between Cruz and rider is almost like the sandwich in the desk prank/argument between boris and Jim

Always great to see a new upload, really enjoy these lore videos, really shows the detail in Fallout 4

The database netwrok offline is I think for the BoS riadiant quests where you defend a scribe while he is hacking the terminal.

All computers with the [Database Network: OFFLINE] option are potential locations for the Learning Curve radiant quests for the Brotherhood of Steel.

It is way easier to get into the building via the roof. You can climb up on some unguarded stairs on the right side and then sneakily take out the few gunners on the roof, even the one with the fatman. After taking the elevator down you can clear out the basement and get into the first floor of the main hall to take out Cruz and wes while covered from the turrets and gunners below

"Reaming me out for several minutes"

I think the reason for the US army presence in the Plaza isn't just because they were using it as a means to spread propaganda, but after the bombs dropped they used it as a meeting spot. In those cubicles when you frost entered there's a large amount of medical supplies and gurneys. My theory is when the bombs dropped and chaos ensued, the US army met up at the plaza and used it as a form of base so thy could figure out what to do. And while they were there they set up a hospital for any injured soldiers either from radiation poisoning or injuries received from raiders.

I have a decidedly different theory. Despite being a mercenary group, a lot of the time in game they're depicted as being no better than raiders. I believe Wes may have feared Cruz as a potential competitor for command, ordering him to do something that would disgrace him, and then subsequently punishing him with a safe posting where Cruz would be unlikely to earn any accolades.

The definition of "ream something out" was a nice touch 😂

I kinda wish you had the option to join the gunners. I usually play morally gray characters that I think would fit in well :p

The last mission for the minutemen should have had you (with other minutemen) attack gunners plaza and quincy to get revenge for the minutemen who died at quincy. That would have shed a bit of light on the gunners.

We learn from a few terminals around Quincey that gunner leaders are often paranoid of there lutennets usurping them and you humiliation to prevent there men from rallying behind them

That's crazy. I was just playing this morning, clearing out the Plaza, when I thought I should ask you about making a video on it.

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Awesome, I've been wanting more people to look into the gunners for forever. I think it would be really cool if the Gunners' origins come from the Vault that engineered children to be super human. I think it makes alot of sense with how much tactical old world military knowledge that they have. As well as knowing what blood types are, and having everyone important with a tattoo of their blood type. It would make a lot of sense with the children's upbringing as well, along the lines of the children originally wanting to help people, but after seeing what reality is like they turned to mercenary work.

The "database network" terminals are all over the map and are used when you do brotherhood missions with scribes to gather teck, the scribes will use these terminal when brought to them.

Ryder, nigga. Only the selected few will know what I mean.

I dont even wanna know what they did while they were "reaming it out". For several minutes to be exact.

But isn't Quincy the gunners HQ?

"Reaming me out for several minutes" Bahahaha. Good one, Oxhorn XD

When I first read about the Runners being a mercenary group, I was hoping to be able to hire them.

ox what mode you do play on easy normal hard or survival?

thanks for doing this, really helps, keep the good work.

When you showed what reaming meant, I nearly died laughing at the awkward cough you gave. 😂 great videos as always!

this place is also an excellent source of Technical Documents if you're allied with the BoS.

I'd ship Oxhorn's theory on Captain Wes

In my current play through, I have a mod that allows me to throw spawn grenades, so I carry spawn grenades that allow me to spawn minutemen to aid me in battle. I also have a mod that gives every NPC labeled as a minuteman a set of "Minuteman Dog Tags." With that in mind, I have been waging a war against the Gunners in multiple areas. When time finally came, I assaulted Gunner Plaza. Myself and Preston Garvey set out in a vertibird that the minutemen salvaged after the war with the brotherhood. Preston and I flew over the plaza raining minigun fire on the gunners below, taking fire all the while, we landed about 100 meters from the building and our pilot high tailed it back to friendly lines. I immediately launched a flare to signal our attack and called any nearby minutemen. With the call sent out, I run up to the hedgerows across the street from the plaza and toss an artillery smoke grenade. Shells from Egret Tours Marina and Summerset place and Murkwater Construction all start raining in. One after another. Just as the last shell hits, a squad of militia arrive, responding to the flare. Now I brought 150 minutemen with me, now we have another 4 on the assault. The gunners outside took a hell of beating thus far, but theres still about half a dozen scattered on the building. The responding minutemen hold the front while preston and I clear the roof top. At this point we managed to secure a powerful Guass rifle prototype that will prove useful, Shaw will flip when she gets a hold of it. After securing the outside move into the main lobby. Myself, Preston, and about 15 minutemen make the first volley, both machinegun turrets are knocked out, but the gunners are well armed, we start taking heavy fire so I pull my people back and toss some grenades. After I take out a few with grenades and sniper fire, another wave plus the remainder of the first charge in and start making a foothold in the writer rotunda. It isnt long before theres a full platoons worth of minutemen pushing through. We are making progress, but theres no direct route to the second floor. So 20 minutemen stay on the bottom floor of the rotunda to keep the gunners occupied while I lead the rest of my forces through the building. Immediately after the rotunda, we come to a choke point. They were ready for an assault, we took cover and advanced slowly, but the fire was intense. A minuteman with an assault rifle he'd picked up from a gunner began to open fire and keep cover fire while we advanced, quickly the left and then the right turrets exploded. Green plasma from the gunner officers still spilled it's way towards us, we pushed until we had broken through. We now had the central office surrounded, we knew Captain Wes was inside and well defended. We kicked the door in with the solid thump, two more turrets opened up on us, we were taking casualties, so collectively we all started throwing molotovs. One after another, and finally the turrets seized and the gunners weren't firing. Wes sat wounded in the corner, we had hoped to take him alive and put him on trial for his crimes against the people of the commonwealth, but it was too late. He wouldn't survive his injuries, so I granted him a mercy he would never have extended to one of ours, and I put my rifle to his head and ended his suffering. For a moment, it was somber, but then a shout and blast of bullets brought me back to my senses, the second floor still had gunners on it. I rallied my forces and pushed through to the stairs. Two more gunners held the stairs from us, we took cover when a Sergeant yelled that we were losing men in the rotunda, I sent 15 back to reinforce them, but that hurt my advance, we had to move while we had momentum. Preston laid down fire from his laser musket while I charged forward to the stairs. Flanked by 3 minutemen, I lead the assault and the stairs were ours, I popped off the last turret down the hall before we came into range, we've lost enough men to their turrets. We started to move but then a lone gunner with a plasma rifle holds his position and fires at us. One by one we took casualties. Finally preston managed to make the kill shot. We ran for the rotunda and found the last squad of gunners frantically firing at our men below. They were so focused that they didnt even notice us, I gave the word to fire and they all dropped in an instance, all of them had already been injured by our men below. With that, the battlefield fell silent. The troops patrolled the plaza while preston and I search for our casualties. I collected their tags for safe keeping at the Castle. When all was said and done. Of the 150 minutemen and 4 responding militia who arrived at gunners plaza under my command, 31 were confirmed dead and 17 were never found. It was a costly battle for such a small force of enemies. They were entrenched and used every advantage they had. With the plaza down, on Quincy and a few locations in Downtown remain in gunner control. Soon that will be rectified as well. But not today. Today is a sobering day for the minutemen. A ceremony is going to be held at the castle to honor the 48 minutemen killed or missing with their names spread to Diamond City, Bunker Hill, and Goodneighbor so that the news will spread of their sacrifice. The gunners have lost valuable leadership and countless resources. The gunner weapons and armor will be distributed amongst diamond city security and the Neighborhood watch as compensation for assistance in training our people. Whatever remains will be put in the armory for issuing to the troops. The clothing, food, and other valuables will be sold on the open market, whatever doesn't sell will either be given to whoever wants it or scrapped for building materials. I've ordered the place to be booby trapped with mines and trip wires to prevent the gunners from moving back in. I've even had 3 turrets rebuilt from the fight and reprogrammed to fire at gunners instead of us. I dont want to keep any troops here, we need everyone we can gene hopefully this will end soon. The first meeting of the CPG is next month, and we need to make sure the commonwealth is secure before then. I've had sentry bots and protections establishing safe routes between the major settlements for months now. It's been a bloody and difficult time. The commonwealth might finally have peace again after such a long time. -Nate, General of the minutemen, just after the gunner wars and just prior to the founding of the CPG in 2296.

I honestly think Wes just cared for those under his command, and if he could avoid needlessly slaughtering his men, he would do so. But because of it being seen as "Weak" He had to shove the blame onto Cruz to keep his position secure while also keeping his men "Safe"

There is another show that plays on the television, but you have to run to the tv right after you create your character. I just discovered that last week.

What happend to the talon mercenaries in fallout 3

The "reaming me out" at the end killed me. Thank you SO much for the comedic moments, Oxhorn! You brighten my day on even the cloudiest of hours!

Takes heavy enemy fire. X86 "We've got hostiles". Me thinks "No shit. What was your first clue?"

Just watched this after doing this quest. Now I have to go back and explore the basement. That CEO office terminal and what you couldn’t find is for a random brotherhood scribe in the learning curve radiant quest. After the scribed used it that option of the server wasn’t there instead it said for your protection this is locked property of brotherhood of steel. By the way Ox, Awesome video

DID ANYONE SEE THAT EASTER EGG TO THE ORIGINAL FALLOUT DESIGNERS (Interplay Entertainment) 0:25

Rimming me out for several minutes

this will be the only vid where you hear oxhorn say "Dank."

It had to be another studio doing the broadcast, cause the bomb in Boston drops far later to have interrupted the GNN.

That "Reaming me out for several minutes" ending though LMFAO XD

Weirdest oxhorn theory ever

How big is the possibility that Cruz was Wes' son, where Wes knew that Cruz was his son, but Cruz didn't know that Wes was his dad? I didn't really pay attention to their appearances when I fought them (a bit too busy chugging grenades at them, honestly), but if the apparent physical age gap is acceptable enough, the possibility is there. Just a passing thought, since parent child story is somewhat a recurring theme in Fallout 4 (Hancock & Fahrenheit, Cooke & Colette, Billy in the Fridge, and the main quest line itself).

Where did you get the flat reflex sight for your laser rifle at cause I hate using the reflex sight cause of how much it zooms in onto targets when I try and use it for a laser rifle that I want for close quarters engagements?? Also I clicked the invitation to your discord server but it didn’t work for me😢

There's no better way to emasculate a potential rival in such a militaristic society than to make him look like a dishonorable coward. That's my opinion of why he ordered the retreat and berated him for it.

Every one who is here is a true fan

Theory; Maybe Wes is sick of the Commonwealth, remember the Gunners maybe aren't from the Commonwealth at all. Idk what could make him tired of the place but I do know when there's a military, there's a limit with casualties and failed operations. He likes being the big guy,but he's tired of the shitty place so he pushes for failed operations and high casualties (leading Cruz to an ambush). To make sure he stays at his rank,he invades Quincy among others to seem like he's a good leader but he's really wanting to leave. Maybe something is coming..that will wipe out the Gunners .....for good. Just a theory

hi, oxhorn what are the mods that you have used for the gunners ? I can't find it on the mod list.

I think homosexual feelings are a tremendous reach lol. The evidence is right in front of you on the previous terminal you read as well as in previous videos you made. Wes isn't running his operation like a Gunner because he's using espionage and subterfuge to win battles because fighting and working smart will always be better than fighting and working hard. He had his men infiltrate the Raiders in Hyde Park because a full frontal assault would be costly in terms of manpower and resources because in Fallout 4 Raiders can be as well armed as they are depending on the gang. He had Clint turn against the Minutemen to save the costs in lives and resources a full frontal assault would cost to sack the town the old fashion way. He kidnapped a Synth because he wanted to draw the Courser into a trap aka fighting the enemy on the ground of your choice because that lets you dictate the rhythm of the fight. And he had Cruz retreat because if he and his men get wiped out that means he lost men for little gain. And in the Wastleland boots are far harder to come by than bullets. Especially well trained boots. The cost of recruiting and training new men to replace the men he lost wasn't worth the effort so he had them retreat in secret. This hints that Wes is, well was, likely planning to change the tactics of the Gunners to increase their power base and make them a more effective fighting force because Death or Glory behavior is not something that can be maintained in the long run.

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It would make perfect sense if we found a synth component on Captain Wes. Considering how often the Gunners are found doing work for the Institute.

What kind of mod do u have for that sight on your laser rifle? I like it but can’t find it can u tell me oxhorn plz

whats everyones fav play style. i cant stick to one character and need inspiration?>

Okay, your speculation is a tad off the rails. Obviously, it is speculation, but there's no reason to believe Wes was in love with Cruz. This is what I think: Wes realizes Cruz and his squad are in danger. Wes, and the Gunners as a whole are relatively smart- "Never retreat" is a rule meant to encourage blind loyalty from his underlings, not to restrict his own tactical decisions. He decides, from that radio broadcast, that the best thing to do is to get Cruz out of there before he and his squad are wiped out. He makes a tactical, calculated decision. He blames Wes for the reasons you mentioned, he can't have his rule broken, but his "punishment" is extremely lax and makes sure that Cruz doesn't feel betrayed by Wes and to keep Wes' secret under wraps (as doing something more extreme probably would've made Cruz tell everyone). The story isn't a love story, it's illustrating the way the Gunners differ from your average Raider. Most other Raider factions would've died blindly or scattered in that battle, but Captain Wes is far more utilitarian than that. There's no rules or code in what he does (despite what the Gunners will tell the rookies when they join up), he just does what's the logical and tactical decision, and in this case it was retreat.

Uh did anyone notice he picked out the wrong definition for reaming out. The definition you're looking for is the one above as that is reaming someone out. You showed reaming something out. Oh dear Oxhorn.

20:15 in my gameplay, when i come in the atrium, cruz and the gunners with him attacked me from upstairs (which btw lead me to being killed multiple times, because i was pretty low level)

I like your video but most likely that cruz and wes were brothers with wes been the older protective brother

Sole Survivor:”Hey Wes are you gay?” Wes:”no” Sole Survivor”does Cruz know your gay?” Wes:”no” Sole Survivor:”AHAHAHAHA”

That was a stretch. I personally think that they were either brothers or very good friends and were being protective.

I looked through your modlist but I couldn't find which mod has that sight for the laser rifle, can someone help please?

so LGBT is still exist in post apocalyptic world huh?

Instead of being romantically attracted, lets just say they're really good friends or something. A love relationship like this, even with Gunners or Raiders is unheard of.

I like to believe Wes ordered the retreat, because he received word that Sole Survivor had just torn the Quincy regiment a new asshole and he feared Sole Survivor was now on his way to gunner's HQ.

I have to say I love your theory on this one, because it makes soooo much sense with the cannon provided it's a logical and makes for grate background music for going thru that place. Thank you.

Just a tip: I used the Spray n" Pray when I went in the plaza, so if you have that gun it's much easier because of the explosive bullets legendary effect. Just a small tip

are you able to join the gunners?

ryder said that retreating calls for loss of rank. perhaps cruz was doing well and the captain didn't want him to get a promotion so set him up for failure. after all he isn't going to get any rank while on guard duty. and he would have put him in a better spot then ryder so that there is resentment so that he can hammer on them for that as well. idk maybe he was power hungry and wanted the gunners to believe they needed him as their leader.

hearing a familiar friendly voice after​ all these years talking about one of my favorite franchises makes me happy instantly subbing gotta watch all these.