I think that a detail many of us forget, seeing as we have seen the events unfold, is that it wasn't common knowledge that the "Tenno" refers to the sentience behind the warframe, aka the operator. Most common folk of the orokin era and even in our contemporary origin system would see "Tenno" and "warframe" as synonymous for the same thing.

"Did u die to the stalker on your first encounter" Me:like 50 times yes

you have the clip right there in the video where Hunhow says "You cut their heads off and they rise again" - making it pretty obvious that the tenno does not die w/ the warframe in that scenario. That however just because we beat the stalker in our orbiters, doesn't mean every tenno did. those could be tenno ghosts that just lost their heads at the end of second dream. NO NEW DREAMS FOR YOU!

"Moons haunted" Yeah i had a similar idea.

I've never been here for a new siege video, I love to see it😊

DE, we need a new cinematic quest !

Her legs were scattered to the two poles of the moon, twisted in a wicked position, in a field of obsidian thorns…" -The Evisceration of Kur-skan the Heretic, V

This video is quite "Ultraluminary".......... also I never noticed the ghost have no heads.

i've always thought that that was the case since even the bodies floating are similar to pre full control tenno floating. as always, great vid

When DsIEGE says "I have a theory", then I will be threre instantly. Neat video.

The Stalker was clearly still in daubt when he was trying to kill us in our orbitor. It was even in Hunhows dialog

The question I have is about the blue kuva we learned about from naverous. It was kind of thrown at us and I haven’t seen any one acknowledge it.

The desktop notifcation for this video got me killed in Halo....so grats on being the first youtuber to kill me in halo LOL. Also, really cool video!

I can connect the “Shadow” Stalker’s codex to the Naga drums. Remember Octavia’s anthem? TAIR THEM UP And how our Warframe was able to move must’ve been the tenno spying on the Stalker using Loki. The light emanating around Stalker after the War was broken still looks like that extracting light when capturing a target. Is someone els “walking in the shadows”?

Hi Mr. The IEGE! I just found your channel and I'm loving it. Just wanted to chime in and tell you I think your work is great. Haven't even watched this video yet, but I'm loving working up to it. Anyways, hope you're having a good day, thank again for the content!

As always, great video. Thanks for upload.

I remember getting spooked by these , this is ghe video I was looking for

Awesome video can’t wait for the next one

I just want to point out that in that cinematic, Stalker or Hunhow comment on the futility of killing them once and again, and that they keep coming back So I think that Loki was fine after all

Always an amazing video omg love it

New siege video??? Sign me the fuCK UP

Genuinely thought this video was about the giant ghost faces in Lua. Found a ruined room with 3 giant pillars, middle one had a blue face appear and disappear. Great content!

Yeah i died 3 times during second encounter at my ship and 1 time at first encounter

Thanks for covering this

I lost your channel and have not been able to find your channel for like a year and I finally found it

Awesome video siege!

So glad to see a 'toober as intrigued by the lore as I am.

I love ur last video with the man in the wall theory

Well that’s just a therory...A FRAME THEORY!!!

Hmmm, I never thought about what happens to souls during continuity... it is something very interesting to think about. As for the ghost, I always thought that they were Orokin killed by the Tenno (The Tenno used blades to kill the Orokin, so cutting off their heads would make sense... They are bigger than most people, as Orokin are, and perhaps the way they kneel was just an old Orokin era way to kneel.) I assumed that only the top of the top Orokin had fancy arms though. Hunhow also said that though warframes are cut down, more rise again, which has always made me wonder if Tenno just lose the frames, not their lives. He also went through a lot of trouble to kill the Operators directally on Lua, meaning perhaps killing the warframes wouldn't 'cut' it (is that a pun???). But then again, it has been mentioned that we the 'Operators' are in danger during quests, which wouldn't make sense if we were not able to be hurt physically. As always though, there was a lot to think about with this video, great job!

I thought with orokin continuity they'd just trade souls with their new chosen body and the original persons soul would be forced into the old and dying body effectivly shortening their life, how evil...

Sounds good my theory so far was that these where dreamstate tenno that have not yet awakened like we were in the tutorial essentially passing the time in a ghost form. Which would make even more sense when you put it together they have been defeted or never awoken and are now waiting for a new warframe to be awakened in by the lotus

I heard “hey y’all” I did a instant like bc I already know it’s gonna be good and I was right.

4:39 i think they are. As we see in the second dream as stalker chokes us, the warframe breaks The War. This could be written down as just you temporarily controlling it, but I dont think so. As we see in The call of the tempestaari, sevagoth's shadow exists on its own, presumibly without being comtrolled by a tenno. In sevagoth's case, what woke his consciouness up is well... time. He was believed to be lost. So he had plenty of time to do it. What could have woken up our frame in the Second Dream? I am not sure, but I have an idea. It was a cry for help from us. Powerful enough to temporarily wake it up. Because as we ourselves say in The Sacrifice quest: " Our minds are linked now". Sure, Umbra is different, but at the end they were Both just people, dax warriors, transformed by the infestation. They are emptied of memories, all traces of their previous personality pretty much gone(Technically their memories are still there, but nearly impossible to recall, except umbra because he has the memory of him being forced to kill his son just to torture him). In short, they are empty vessels created for us from normal people using the infestation.

“Gives a spoiler well using umbra sunder helmet”

The problem with 7:20 is that we regularily (at least recently) have started getting kicked out of piloting our warframes because of a number of different things. i highly doubt killing the warframe would cause the Tenno to die as well considering that really doesn't seem to be how transference works

Nice, finally someone throwing some lore onto this thingys

Could be some kind of Transferrance ghost or reflections of dead Tenno (like you suggested). I don't recall seeing anything interact with them or acknowledge their existence. Maybe only we can see them? I guess it's kinda like that giant finger on the Railjack. None of the crew when docked interact with it and even our good ol Cephalon Cy literally can't compute that anything is there. The Void is one trippy drug.

I believe they are our fellow Dreamers, just not yet awakened.

That umbra stalker cosplay is amazing

Hmm, and about the stalkers equipment (disregarding war) dread has (as far as i'm aware) the highest slash of any bow, description reads "good for beheading", scythe finishers, like the hate's, have a animation you could interpret as beheading as well, similarly to i think heavy blades (barely use heavy blades, so not fully certain) so those could be nods to the stalker liking to do that.

Hey listening to ur theories opens up a whole new world of ideas also did u notice the necramech had a slightly similar voice to nihil

Stalker: *Kills me* Me: *Holds X* ‘I’m back!’

Not sure if someone else has mentioned this, but there is one more "ghost" on Lua. Lua Rescue - when you get to the jail, watch from a bit afar the console that is right in front of the trapdoor to the inner sanctum (the room with the consoles to they void portals, behind one of which is the rescue target). There is one ghost manning that console. It just stands there, doing nothing, except seemingly trying to unlock the console.

i think they might be remnants of cephalons. either damaged cephalons who have lost their structure and become ghosts stuck frozen or floating around, or the bits left over from the process of creating a cephalon (no ghost head = it was magically cut off and stuck into the geometric cephalon structure that can interface with machinery)

I never put much thought to these ghosts... I think you have a real point. Your videos really help making conections I never made before. So yeah I think there really could be a connection between the nealing figures on Lua and killed warframes. I still wonder what our today warframes are though.. I mean not the prime ones. We build them on our ship.. do they have a soul? With Umbra we saw that at least the original frames were people before they got transformed.. And Umbra still has a will of his own and I'm sure also a soul

I might be a month late as this is my second comment to this video, but I have a new theory. "Who nurtures you in your times of rest? Who restores your battle-torn frame, day after day after day? Whose milk enriches your kindred flesh with endless strength and vigor? It can only be me." - Helminth This explains why the Warframes move on their own, influenced by the Helminth and not the void or the Tenno, or any other Oro (only the ones possessing the ability of Transference to Warframes, which are only the Tenno, unless another individual gains access to Transference Technology to do this like the Stalker, for instance). This also explains why the individuals introduced to the technocyte helminth to form Warframes might have died due to it, hence we see ghosts on lua. Remember, these individuals introduced to the Technocyte before becoming Warframes, did not get exposure to the void, hence they can't be Oros. Anyone who dies without exposure to the Void don't get a chance to resurrection, hence they become Ghosts instead of Oro. Those are lost souls/ghosts that were forced out of their bodies by the Helminth in order to form the Warframes on Lua. That is where the Technocyte was experimented, on Lua. So it does make sense why there are ghosts on Lua, the former individuals who died due to the Technocyte, hence the Warframes are lifeless once exited by the Tenno via Transference. Umbra is an exception to this as he is fitted with a Transference bolt. During the Second Dream, the warframe was able to tear the War blade in two by itself (the Tenno was not in control), because at that moment, it was the Helminth that had been controlling the warframe in order to save the Tenno. For some reason, the Helminth cares for the Tenno somehow, which might imply that the Helminth depends on the Tenno for something, which at the moment we can't tell what exactly. As to why the ghosts don't have heads may be just a decision made by DE to leave them headless but if you have an idea, you can interject. I know that in my previous comment, I said that it might be the Tenno that might be beheaded by the Stalker or the Orokin, but I highly doubt it, because the Tenno have an Oro, which means that they can survive death. So far, no Tenno actually died in the hands of the Stalker except the Warframes rendered useless by him.

Within the tale of Naberus as recounted by Grandmother, we do catch a glimpse of continuity post transfer, in the form of the temporary, "blue-kuva". The three who partook in the act, were described to have just control over the body. We do not know however how the consciousness of the original fairs. The "long arms" of the orokin may be a symptom of their long presence in their body. Ancients for example have a long arm they use to attack, and have been long theorized to be orokin infested. In the Granum reliefs, the orokin that took Parvos's hand all had equal length arms.

People might have said that already but its probably the temporal shift effect like on spy missions of Lua

If those are souls of dead Tenno, then some of them coming together to try to return as a death knight themed warframe would be badass, though unlikely

Hello I love ur vids and nice theroy

This made me think of something about the acolytes. The acolytes have warframe body but the head piece of the stalker. Maybe the decapitated warframe are then later on used by the stalker to make the acolytes. I don't know much about the acolytes tho

Hunhow wanted ti know where "the tenno heart" was hidden. He didn't know were Lua was and set up the bait to get the know from the Lotus through us. I played the operator quests with every frame.

My theory is, as void is embodiment of past, present and future aspect of the Universe, and Lua was in void for a long time, it might be the some other timeline, where the Warframe or humans or sentients working and its leaking into this timeline. Secondly In Night of Nabarus where Grandma tells us a story, we clearly see the continuity get performed with red and blue kuva.

Alright since I'm on vacation from work time to crack open a cold Pepsi and enjoy Siege's beautiful voice

Not headless, you can see the lower jaw, also in your vid you can see the open spinal column that Excalibur has, they're excal models with the top of the head deliberately unrendered with the ghost effect to hide the more characteristic horn. If im wrong about the lower jaw, then they likely just removed the helmet for the same reason

Shit, I've never realized they had no heads! I used to believe they were massacred Orokins but yeah, now the theory with the Stalker's victims seems really true to life. So, maybe if the tenno is transferred into a warframe and this warframe is decapitated, the tenno is trapped inside, and when the tenno dies, the ghost keeps the image of the warframe. This all is a bit hard to fit into the lore but hey, you never know what twist is waiting at the next corner :D P.S. Because of the Duviri Paradox trailer I have a stupid theory that all this time the tenno have been like specters of themselves and later we will find their real bodies slowly aging in the void. P.P.S. Really like your theory videos. They remind me why I love this game ^_^

siege be a chad to chug kuva also, stalker just wanted a loki neuroptics

I always wanted to know more about those ghosts. I thought they maybe where part of the systems like robots or Cephalon but with no consciousness.

I first though those were orokin oro-s but i realized that the tenno consumed their oro-s so i dont know now you've made me wonder about it now

It is hinted that on our ship Stalker was controled, so when the warframe broke sword, stalker fled in confusion.

Your new video reignited my warframe lore enthusiasm and I watched other warframe stuff so I wonder are you familiar with the entrati lore or to be more precise the memories of Albrecht Entrati? Starlord put a video togehter with all 8 parts ( I haven't played through the entrati an necraloid syndicates myself so I'm very gratefull). I would really want to know what you think about that stuff and what connections you will make

Can DE just hire you as a story writer and voice actor?

Wow this does make sense u could be right

7 minutes and 40 seconds when he is speaking about the ghosts that is definitely an orokin ghost it has an elongated right arm

I always thought that maybe the ghostly apparitions were Orokin that got caught in the Moon's transfer to being hidden from view. Their bodies were destroyed in the process, but since they drank the kuva, their spirits remained.

Once while I was playing on the plains of eidolon with some friends, grinding terrys to escape mote hell, I saw a kneeling headless excalibur in the gates of cetus. I was the only one who had it on screen, but my two other friends were able to see it because we were playing LAN style. We took screenshots but it's on one of those friends computers and this was years ago. Curious if anyone has seen anything similar?

I do love seiges smoldering voice 😊

I think a Warframe is a body with power. Like ancient infested healers have healing abilities, maybe some others also had sorts of abilities tied with their body. We know that Tenno can take over bodies. Just like that they take over the dead bodies which are given some structure with armour instead of blobs unstructured of meat. The body of Umbra was not dead. That's why he has consciousness.

I feel this has more to do with chains of harrow "ghosts" caused by transferance feedback as Lotus said

Hey DsIEGE. Always wonder what would happen if the operator's standing was balanced between light and dark but that operator drank the kuva at the end of the war within quest. Because that is what my space child has gone through so far in the warframe lore. Also that weird ghost figure after the operator's dash does not appear for me. Just curious ya know.

Decapitation doesn't *necessarily* kill a Warframe for good, Umbra was in literal pieces. And since we built him by the same method of every Warframe, it would imply we do a similar process to all the frames. Now, a decapitated Warframe, if my theory is correct, is certainly dispatched until somone glues his head back on. As to what happens to the Tenno that are in the frames when this happens is anyone's guess. Umbra never had a drift so when he got obliterated he didn't have a Tenno.

Saw the title: “Moons haunted”

Guess just put this here, if I rember right the seven was the name of the orokin leaders the tenmo killed way back when, and I was replaying the second dream and realised the pod our operator comes out of is one of seven in that room, am I reading too far into this? There's also stuff around like how there are seven different challenge rooms on lua for you to get drift mods from so maybe it's just styling

My thoughts through out the whole video, No head atlas

What if Natah is Margulis just kuva transitioned into a sentient body.

I just thought the ghosts are the people on the moon trapped in some sort of time shift (think Lua spy rifts)

great theory but the fact that hunhow says you sever there head yet they return states that if the warframe dies the tenno is fine

Stalker is your Operator’s monstrous ID (Freud). Part of who you are/were as a child suffered fear and pain and resentment as a dangerous void being who watched your parents go insane and then were conscripted as child super-soldiers to pilot Warframes. Margulis compartmentalized the nightmares and negativity but I think it became weaponized HATE, DESPAIR, DREAD and found a home in a rogue Warframe. Stalker can always find you and is immune to your powers because he IS you (Jungian Shadow discussion apt here also). Stalker and the Operator, both in black, look at their hand in exactly the same way, and even Stalker’s symbol is a twisted, nightmare version of the Lotus Symbol. He hunts Warframes because he is a version of your subconscious that despises them for the reality they bind you to.

I've always thought of them as holograms

What outfit are you using for your back/white excal umbra?

my thought was these were the ghosts of people who had there body's stolen in the continuity or even of the warframes modified by Ballas

I kinda want a stalker origin story/quest. What is he, why he is doing these things, and how is he able to do these things. This has so much potential for a good story and world building.

How do you get that Sentient statue in your Orbiter I Always wonder

I really do wish they would tell us more about their history or even better, flashbacks

Perhaps the Tenno didn't have time to sever the transference, or forgot that they weren't their warframe, and as such believed so absolutely that they died when the Stalker beheaded them, that they did. Kind of like that scene in Evangelion when Shinji first pilots, and forgets that he isn't his mech and ends up thinking that he's feeling the pain the mech is when it's being torn apart until he's reminded otherwise.

I think that is true but however I thank the stocker wasn’t the only one is executing I think it was more than just a stocker I think the stocker was just the only one I need it out of here alive

What are the glowing gold cracks in Lua? I’ve seen them but they’re rare to find in missions and I don’t know what they are

I think they are waiting for new bodies.

I think the kneeling ghosts have the elongated Orokin arm? Also not especially sure they’re headless - merely that they’re heads are fainter. My interpretation is that those spectres are Oro which haven’t been transferred into a new body given the collapse of the empire. It’s strongly suggested that Continuity doesn’t have to happen instantly, so these are effectively lost Oro waiting for a body that’ll never come.

Imagine going to the moon and one of these just attacking us or grabbing us randomly. And then de doesn’t say that they added it.

cant help but notice in that kneeling section there are 4 empty chair things. i doubt anything happens if a full squad kneels on them to match the ghosts but has any one checked?

Me headed to the moon to salvage lost memory’s of my orokin past fractured Tenno mind

a new chapter in the Warframe lore book: what are the ghosts on lua and why are they there?

@TheDsIege I have a bit of a strange theory... And I am sorry, I know this might not be a good place to post it, but you just gave me the idea. It might be stupid, but I would like to share it with you, and the rest I watched all of your videos about warframe lore and i LOVE THEM ALL... But they all made me thinking... and there is one constant thing that I notice. We have a really difficult time to actually put a time frame on things. What happened when... How long ago something happen... and so on.... So, why does the quest... where Tenno is waking up is called "Second dream"? So.... What if... we (operators/tenno) can't remember anything and have difficulty to put things in the right time frame is because we are still... dreaming? This entire universe is just our dream. Maybe Orokin empire still exists? I mean, for the powerful super beings, so advanced, they did some extremely stupid things. Do we really think they would make a weapon of mass destruction (warframes and tenno) without some form of control? One would think that Tenno would remember the massacre they did on Orokin... Yet they can't recall a thing. But in game, my operator do tell sometimes, when we fight infested: "We need to purge the infestation, just like we did in the old war"(or something along those lines) So he does remember some parts? But not the fact they destroyed an entire empire? What better control then to think everything is destroyed and we live in post apocalyptic world of our own design? There is nothing left to destroy for us. So we go, do the mission, return to orbiter... Nothing to really do in such a world... And we do not feel remorse in killing so many people (Greenier and COrpus might not be the best people, but they are humanoids, sentient beings). yet they all act like it is normal to die in hundreds... They do not retreat, they do not run... they do not ask for mercy... ever... So what if second dream is not really us waking up... but actually going to deeper sleep?

Idea: Now that the Sentients Have adapted to Our Warframes, What Do We Do To Fend off other Attacks In The New War? (thinking That the Sentients well adapt to NecroMechs Soon)

I dont know to me, its like the orokin knew they were going to lose, they had the transcendence technology, they fled into another plane and we see their echo

stallorD has 3 videos that explains kinda what is a soul in warframe they what we know kuva void and sentient also the alongated arm is actually a stupid multi purpose tool like the sonic screwdriver from doctor who and to this day i still don't get the point of making as part of the arm

I think that stalker is, or was, a tenno. Turned dark. Gone rouge. It would explain why he seemingly has powers and yet can still go the the void, where as sentiants cant. If he at one point went after the frames used in the zenuka project it would explain why we are called betrayer. But what if stalker has a reason for doing this? If he was once tenno he must have had a warframe at one point. Or did he? Iirc rell didnt have a frame yet he was also a forgotten tenno.

How do the acolytes fit into this theory though? Since every acolyte member is a different frame with a Stalker head and all.