The grandfather of Hi-Beat watches: Seiko LM5740 36000 bph

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2 жыл бұрын

Today we are working on a 1968 Seiko Lord Marvel with the at the time insanely high beat 5740C movement. Join us for a full service of the watch and a discussion of the concept of high beat rates as well as a look at how this affects the smoothness of the seconds hand.
As ususal we go on a few tangents including getting the sniffles from elephants and how fast an energizer bunny can run when it really, really needs to!
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@westend3019 2 жыл бұрын

Good stuff! The slo-mo on the second hand was brilliant!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Westend! It's cool to have a new toy to play with 😎

@apoorvsaxena3886 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices what was the slow mo camera speed ?

@mm2dip Жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices where did you order the hand removers

@calypso22 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice. Great workmanship on an interesting and beautiful watch. I am 75 years old, and have a modest collection, including some vintage Seiko chronographs, which I love. Thank you.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, John! Seiko chronographs are great, there will be some on the channel in the not very distant future :)

@toddjandik3050 Жыл бұрын

I so thoroughly enjoy watching your channel that I joined the KZfaq community , which is a big stretch for this 57 year old man, just to be able to comment. I love your witty banter and VAST knowledge of the watch industry. I always liked SEIKO since I found an older Seiko 5 sport watch in a parking lot when I was 19 years old. And for you to give high praise to their company is reassuring to me . Thanks for much information and entertainment . Subscribed , liked , and notifications turned on !

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Wow, that's very cool to hear, Todd! Thanks so much for that and welcome to the channel :) There are many more Seikos in the pipeline 💪

@danh9442 2 ай бұрын

So soothing to watch you work and chat. Thanks

@ronaldlinkenhoker5705 2 жыл бұрын

The video is very clear today. Love the closeups!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ronald! The disassembly was done a long time ago but the assembly is fresh. There are a couple more videos coming with old footage but then all videos should be of a higher quality 👌

@alanpreston3111 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful simplicity, love it , Seiko next for me 👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@jaylevine1483 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, really enjoy your channel, in particular appreciate both the understated commentary and useful insight into the brands.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Jay! More to come, so stay tuned :)

@LiAmTheAsIaN1994 2 жыл бұрын

I had this watch for quite a while. I'm amazed of such accuracy and the 36000 hi beat. truly a movement that was a head of that time. You can hear how loud this watch ticking at night.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

That's really cool :) 36000 bph is a very different thing!

@jwoodyr1 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another fantastic video, Stian! I finally figured out how to watch KZfaq on my smart TV - your video quality is awesome. Also, thank you very much for explaining the use of 9415. I've read many conflicting "recommendations" on the subject of pallet lubrication choice. Now I know ...

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Woody, thanks a lot! Viewing this on a TV must be pretty crazy :)

@jatco84 2 жыл бұрын

Sweet service job on a great looking Seiko. Simple yet elegant. The slo-mo on the 2nd sweep hand was cool. Thank you for the tour. .

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

You bet!

@harshchawda7533 3 ай бұрын

i have same one. i absolutely in love to hear the sound of it ❤

@MarttiSuomivuori 2 жыл бұрын

Some of your clips I have watched twice. You have a calming effect on my nerves. I have three SGs and three consumer-level quartz Seikos. I appreciate the quality/price and the crazy attention to detail in SGs.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Martti! I suppose you mean GSs? They're really fine watches indeed, and Seiko is one of my favorite brands also :)

@MarttiSuomivuori 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices GS, of course, yes. Even a Hi-Beat.

@Lara-vp4dp 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for wonderful video. I can’t stop watching it.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

That's very cool to hear, Lara! More to come :)

@anthonysmith2982 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed this one... again! The Seiko Lord Matic 5605-7020 is one of my all time favourite vintage Seikos. A pretty similar watch but with a date comp. and even more aggressive angles and facets on the case. I like how the Lord series prices are often a lot softer than the Kings and Grands. And Yeah, mov't finishing is great, but most of the time I just want a reliable watch that makes me smile when I look at my wrist! Thank-you once more. ✌🏼️

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Anthony! I'm a big Seiko fan, they just made so many beautiful watches with great internals, and still do 👍

@kerrybayton2954 2 жыл бұрын

I teally enjoy your content, very informative & as a Seiko fan, King seiko being my favourite your service films are great & your presentation is very pleasing both to watch aswell as listen too. Many thanks..

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Kerry, that's very nice to hear :)

@speedmaster6781 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video. I love vintage Seikos. Thank you. Subscribed

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub!

@1urbanbaker 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful watch! Thank you!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@red75v67 2 жыл бұрын

Well Stian mightily impressed with the new video quality and what a watch to show it off. A really gorgeous piece which I've had my eye on for a whole now, I love all the old GS/KS and these too.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Red, thanks so much! I love the old Seikos also, there are so many wonderful pieces in their history. There will be many more Seikos features on the channel 😎

@red75v67 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Great. I can't wait.

@mlbabineaux 5 ай бұрын

Nice piece, Stian. Restoring some Seiko history.

@andrewcheung6942 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect detail explanation. good job.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Andrew!

@brucebarlow6604 2 жыл бұрын

Old guys are cool guys says my 54 year old self.😃 Great content keep well from New Zealand.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Bruce! My 52 years of awesomeness agree 🤣

@pymsims1742 2 жыл бұрын

Great Vid. Stunning movement from Japan.🐻

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and yes it is 😁

@user-ct1pd8bt3n 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video

@rbmwiv Жыл бұрын

I like your philosophy of learning a old watch with as many original parts as possible. I have seen some heartbreaking things from Rolex where someone sent in a vintage piece that just really needed a service and they polish it and replace a lot of stuff without your say so.

@michaelmoore2487 2 жыл бұрын

A delightful video, entertaining, educational, and occasionally funny. Great close-up photography! Fascinating to learn that you use the watchmaker's Play-Doh to clean the parts before putting the little parts in the cleaning machine - I have never seen that done before. I was quite far from home (Canada) this week, and rode my motorcycle along the small road from La Chaux-de-Fonds to Le Locle yesterday - I recognized the manufacturing sites of many of the watches you have serviced along that roadway. Didn't see any Seiko buildings, though. :)

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Michael! That motorcycle trip sounds great and Saturday was a nice day for riding :) I think you'd have to fill your tank a couple more times (and install floaters) on your bike to see Seiko manufacturing buildings 😁

@ddduaneee 11 ай бұрын

Thx for the cool vid Iam a seiko fan Its amazing to see a movement from 1968 that looks like brand new my daily watch is a baby alpanist green dial 6r35 movent 3+ sec a day if i wear dailey never have to wind it hope i have to service it in about ten years have a nice day

@oufdii7559 Жыл бұрын

Bonjour, magnifique présentation avec détails dignes d’un cours magistral. Merci professeur😉. ❤

@ianmedium 2 жыл бұрын

I purchased my SBGR061 GS almost 6 years ago, it has performed beautifully ever since and every time I wear it I’m amazed at how beautiful that cream dial is and the way the hands and indices sparkle when the catch the light, beautiful watches as are these old Seiko’s. I own Timex from the late fifties that Timex fitted a Seiko movement with that looks very similar to this movement though not high beat!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, Ian! GS dials are perhaps the finest among the mass market watches and I'd get a GS over a Rolex any day. Cool to hear about a Timex with a Seiko movement, that's a massive upgrade for a Timex 😁

@tods.9947 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video, I learned so much! I just got one of these too with the linen dial and Arabic numerals. It’s a stunning watch.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Tod and congrats with your lovely watch! More videos to come, so stay tuned :)

@kingsford73 2 жыл бұрын

Nice watch, it's simple, reliable and quite elegant in it's own way 👌 good job as always.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks John! This watch isn't entirely at King or Grand Seiko level, but it's still a timeless watch. There will be some more KSs and GSs coming up 👍

@kingsford73 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices I'll be looking forward to that.

@StefanDembowski 2 жыл бұрын

Nice work, as usual. 👏👏👏

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stefan! It will get even better :)

@ScottNotAvailable 8 ай бұрын

Very cool! Thank you

@angelherrera6820 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful watch! Beautiful movement! Wonderful workmanship. Really enjoying your videos and looking forward to more! Great video! Cheers!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, Angel! More to come, so stay tuned :)

@GregJGreen Жыл бұрын

Watching you was very zen. I'm currently collecting 70s Seiko quartz models, just picked up on a nice gold cap 9943 8000 yesterday, anxiously awaiting it's arrival from Japan. I want to learn how to work on them myself, but that's something I'm not quite ready to do just yet.

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Thanks Greg and one step at a time!

@DirtyBob200X 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that the elephant is doing okay.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

😂

@runelisether6256 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the stream Stian. Always something to learn. I read someplace that the philosophy of amplitude in Seiko watches was focus on how they performed after 24 hours. As long as the amp. was 220° or over, it was just fine since normally people would wind their watches every morning anyway. As long as the amp is 220° or higher, it will keep the time.

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Hello Rune, the core argument you make is actually the same for all manufacturers. The commonly quoted 270 degrees amplitude isn't actually in manufacturers' testing sheets. They always state minimum levels after 24 hours, and these values are far less than 270. For Omega 565 for instance, the minimum amplitude after 24 hours is 160 degrees. As far as I know Seiko is not requiring a minimum 24 hour amplitude of 220 degrees, that would be pretty much impossible. But the core argument stands.

@runelisether6256 Жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices I didn't know that, thanks. Learn something today also :)

@sfranklin9073 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful watch. 👍👍

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

@ruggsterify 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your explanations with respect to Seiko's movements. I recently purchased a Seiko Limited Edition Prospex Anniversary SPB213. Very beautiful watch and while I'm certainly not comparing the 6R35 to anything King or Grand Seiko has released I am a little disappointed in the movement. While it does perform within written specs I guess for $1200.00 I'm surprised at such variation between positions. Even the beat error changes. Sellita or ETA can be purchased for that price and simply out perform the 6R35. Anyway, I do learn much from your channel and will apply it better for my next watch.

@VintageWatchServices 3 ай бұрын

😊👍

@andruw-tz6ez 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing skills on display here

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! More to come, so stay tuned :)

@upup329 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, great job for this fantastic watch :-)

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks! More to come, so stay tuned :)

@ygrbooks 2 жыл бұрын

Great video - as always: thank you very much. Just watched Marshall's video on a cheap Sears watch, so the Seiko movement really looks and performs great. Here in Switzerland, many watchmakers do not recommend a 36'000 beats movement as they claim that the parts wear out much faster. Don't know if this is true, but the second's hand certainly moves nicely.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot! I'm not sure if the parts really wear that much faster given that it's really only three parts impacted by the higher rate, but the benefits versus 28800 aren't really that high either. I would guess that's the reason 28800 became the hi beat standard.

@bfx8185 2 жыл бұрын

Love the fridge story :D And other jokes as well;) Nice job !

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Another video coming today, so stay tuned :)

@ShlomoLevi 2 жыл бұрын

very nice watch!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Shlomo! I'm a bit slow sometimes with putting watches up for sale, but this one is almost there now :)

@jamessmith6402 2 жыл бұрын

Fabulous watch 👍 thanks

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, James!

@walterroszko6841 2 жыл бұрын

One thing you forgot to mention is they are accessible and affordable compared to Euro watches.I enjoy your work and commentary immensely,thank you.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Walter, absolutely, most Seiko watches are much more affordable than their Swiss counterparts and a Seiko 5 for instance is maybe the best value due money you can get!

@walterroszko6841 2 жыл бұрын

Yes I have several amongst my collection.

@Bob.martens 2 жыл бұрын

Lord Marvel. Now that is a movie I'd like to see made.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

😂

@gromit1996 2 жыл бұрын

A great little video to start my week off right! That is a sweet little movement with way fewer parts than a usual Seiko dial side. Speaking of dad jokes about elephants... How do you tell if there's an elephant in your fridge? Elephant tracks in your butter. Have a great week, Stian!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Clay, glad you enjoyed it! And I'll try that joke on my kids 😂

@1959Berre 2 жыл бұрын

About laziness. When I was in high school, a very long time ago, we had a teacher-priest who claimed laziness was the only virtue mankind had been able to salvage when Adam and Eve were expelled from paradise.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Well, in software development there's a saying: Laziness is a virtue :) I believe in that 😉

@calypso22 2 жыл бұрын

Job interview "Describe one of your faults in three words" "Lazy"

@sitandfish 2 жыл бұрын

I was going to read some of the other comments but... you know.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

@@calypso22 That's a fantastic line 🤣

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

@@sitandfish 😂

@glenh4971 2 жыл бұрын

I am a fan of no-date well made movements. No need for the expensive artistic finish on a watch with a solid caseback. You want dependability and over all good performance. No frills for a solid watch for daily wear. I also prefer manual wind. Thanx for sharing this watch with us. By the way. The Seiko movement is beautiful.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hei Glen, thanks for watching and for your comment! Quite a few people prefer no-date models, as they can have perfectly symmetric dials. A hand wound no-date movement is kind of the most harmonic one, I fully agree. Some of the very finest movements are of this type, IWC 89 and Longines 30L come to mind :)

@glenh4971 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices I think the old timers agree with us on this. Some day the younger generation will wake up.

@petercampbell3828 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice watch. I think that the dial is presentable as is. I also prefer a conservative restoration. If you want new looking buy new or new old stock. Thanks for another entertaining and informative video.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter! The dial is what it is and certainly much too nice to consider refinishing. To the naked eye it looks very nice, even 😁

@etherdude 2 жыл бұрын

Stian, beautiful watch.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Doug!

@coffeeisgood102 2 жыл бұрын

Hi…you always have good easy to watch videos. I have always wondered what the difference is in the gear train of a high-beat watch compared to a slower beat. More or less gears, or the number of teeth?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Harold, thanks a lot! The main difference in a high beat watch is the balance spring being stiffer and the escape wheel having more teeth and a little bit different tooth shape. The number of wheels are the same but the ratios between the last wheels differ a bit to accommodate the different escape wheel. If you were to add another wheel in the train you wouldn't affect the beat rate but would increase the power reserve. If you for instance watch the Hebdomas video, the extra train wheel is what gives that watch an 8 day power reserve.

@coffeeisgood102 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Thanks

@fabiococchi9633 Жыл бұрын

Video bellissimo!!!

@paulraven2046 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, thank you so much. Quick question about dating a watch; it's often difficult with cheaper, older vintage watches. When did most manufacturers stop printing 'incabloc' on the dial?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Paul, thanks for watching and for your question! Incabloc wat patented in 1933 and pretty much all watches that used it would have had that on the dial until shock protection was so mainstream it was no longer a differentiating factor. That was in the mid 1950s, I'd say. There's no specific year given that it was up to the manufacturer, but that's my best guess.

@bullnose01 2 жыл бұрын

Another beautiful video. I think you properly may add videography to your growing list of professional accomplishments. Developing a 36000 bph movement makes sense for a chronograph where it enables measurements in .10 sec. increments, but it seems that the increased wear and shorter servicing intervals for a hi-beat movement more than offset its utility for a regular timepiece. It's interesting that the recent trend in the industry is to slow down movements from 28800 bph to 21600 bph to give them a longer power reserve and make it more convenient for people to switch between wearing multiple watches.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Bullnose, there are indeed other, more important factors to accurate timekeeping than the beat rate. I think you're spot on with the service interval point and to some extent with the chronograph as well. However, no one really uses the chronograph for timing things anyway and if you are in a situation where 1/10th of a second counts, there's gonna be an electronic timekeeper. In the end I think it's just another differentiating factor; giving some bragging rights in that you're capable of making watches that offer a super smooth seconds hand with little downside to the customer.

@bullnose01 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServicesBragging rights is a big thing among you macho watchmakers, but you're right, if I want accurate timing I use my G-Shock. 😊 Btw, are you going to show us your new workshop?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

I might indeed! I'm having a wall installed to separate the watch bench from the machinery and afterwards I just need to clean things up 😉

@aross924 2 жыл бұрын

An old watch should look like an old watch! I love it.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot! Just like we don't like face lifts and botox on old humans, we don't like overcompensating for small scratches and marks :)

@clivesouthafrica2086 2 жыл бұрын

Great work. My first watch was a Seiko manual given to me by my grandparents in 1971. In a high-beat movement is the balance wheel also lighter in conjunction with the stiffer balance spring? If so, would this not also counteract the higher wear due to the higher speed, to some extent?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Clive, that's a great question. I don't believe the balance wheel itself is much lighter, but cannot say for sure. The weight is however very small regardless, and the weight isn't really the issue for wear as the pivots are strong enough in any case. Longines went from 36000 bph in 43x to 28800 in 664x/665x, allegedly due to wear issues. Exactly what these issues were is not really clear though. The main reasons I could think of would be due to on the escape wheel teeth or pivots and the pallet fork pivots as there really are just these three parts that rotate faster. The balance wheel pivots are protected in any case so I don't think they would be affected. The key thing that affects wear is really how often and well a watch is serviced and I suspect it's much due to this that most manufacturers stuck with 28800. As a manufacturer, if you're not sure that your 36000 bph mechanical wonder will be serviced frequently enough to keep all the faster parts lubricated, you might go for 28800 just to avoid bad publicity.

@clivesouthafrica2086 2 жыл бұрын

Makes sense, thanks for the response.

@johnsrabe 2 жыл бұрын

Oooh! I have a late 70s Lord Marvel, love it, and am looking forward now to seeing its guts and to hear your thoughts. Such a weird decision for the King of Quartz to make a manual wind, no day/date, crazy high BPH watch. For who (whom?) exactly did they make it? Elderly railroad workers? On to the video!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Oh, Seiko made waaay more mechanical watches than quartz until the 80s! Quartz in the 70s was expensive and completely new, and it took quite a while before they overtook mechanical watches in sales.

@johnsrabe 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices still, to sell this retrograde watch into the late 70s seems odd (to me). Anyway just finished the video: Very cool. This watch is a lovely little gem. BTW: I collect the Lord series … Lord Matic, Lord Quartz, Lord Marvel. It’s an fun and easy hobby. Thanks and cheers!

@charlesd820 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed the video. Not seen a jeweled barrel lid before. What crystal press do you use?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Charles, thanks for watching! Jeweled barrels aren't that common but you do see them sometimes. I use a Sternkreuz crystal press but also have an old Robur one that I'll try to use more :)

@MrLukealbanese 2 жыл бұрын

Ooh lovely

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Luke! More to come, so stay tuned :)

@tiberiuvincze8288 2 жыл бұрын

AS always , nice video but short! but a lot of info! 10x

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tiberiu! I've been trying to make my videos a bit shorter and more compact, but it's also a result of no movement complications and no case polishing for this watch. The next one will be a bit longer due to these things being in there 👍

@stayingsane5213 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, hopefully some day I'll be this good

@stayingsane5213 2 жыл бұрын

Any advise on my techniques or videos would be greatly appreciated.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, that's very nice of you :)

@Matt-uj6jm 2 жыл бұрын

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@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt! 👌

@randyallen2771 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video! I don't know much about these but it seems to work well. I have a King Seiko (54xx as I recall) that is marked high beat but is 28000 bpm instead of 36000. Guess their idea of high beat changed. I find it a stylish little watch but I'm afraid it needs a trip to your atelier. I look forward to seeing your next video.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Randy, always great to see your comments! 28800 is still considered high beat although 36000 is of course the big brother 😁 Your KS is probably a 56xx as I don't believe there ever was a 54xx one, but the 56KS models are manifold and beautiful watches!

@randyallen2771 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices thanks for your reply, always great to get the benefit of your knowledge. You're correct, my watch is a 5626-7040. I dug it out of the box, forgot it's also marked chronograph.

@red75v67 2 жыл бұрын

@@randyallen2771 Snap. I have 2 of these. Great choice Randy. At the next service, one of them will get the metal date change star from Adrian at Vitage Time Australia to replace the cracked plastic original. Should be interesting to see the qickset work properly.

@carlrees5574 2 жыл бұрын

nice job!! im just servicing and restoring a seiko Lord Matic - Lower beat but similar in many ways, these movements are closer to swiss movements than the 6 and 7 series??- no pawl auto wind. 2 questions what is the crystal press you use please and with the auto wind reversing wheels on a 5606 lord matic would you use Lubeta 105? love the videos as always!!!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Carl, thanks for that! I have a Sternkreuz crystal press and I indeed use Lubeta v105 on reversing wheels. More to come on Saturday!

@cheongkitvong7449 2 жыл бұрын

good watch 👍

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@jamescowin5859 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! Do you have any resources for care of a Seiko LM? I just received my Lord Marvel & I don’t know how to set the time, or how long I should wind it? (I don’t want to break it.) I’ve looked around for instructions/insight but haven’t found anything. Could you point me in a direction for this info? TIA.

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Hello James, thanks for watching! You can check this video for how to set the time and date for old watches: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bLWEZMqnqZzKhp8.html. For any watch, you can basically wind it until you feel it does not wind any further. Automatic watches have built-in safety features to avoid ever being overwound.

@ccooper8785 Жыл бұрын

Maybe it is just me but I would love to be able to buy an ordinary Seiko 5 with a Grand Seiko movement. I am not that interested in fancy looking watches but love high quality, high accuracy movements.

@sanderbrugman8157 10 ай бұрын

I have a golden one, most beautiful dial i have ever seen. I was wondering if it would it be possible to place it in a KS 45 7000 case ?

@VintageWatchServices 10 ай бұрын

Probably not, cases are very tightly designed to fit their movements, thus the hole for the stem, the dial feet placement etc are most likely different.

@sanderbrugman8157 10 ай бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices even if the 4502 movement for the 7000 case was the upgraded version of the 5740?

@EricBishard 6 ай бұрын

Can these watches have a sapphire crystal? Or does the crystal cap installation limit the crystal to acrylic only?

@VintageWatchServices 6 ай бұрын

These watches indeed only use acrylic crystals

@stephaneedy8255 2 ай бұрын

Hi, thank you for your videos, I can't find anywhere what is the lift angle of the 5740C calibre. I noticed at the beginning of the video you use 52° and after the overhaul you use 54,5°.... So, can you please tell me what eventually that lift angle is?

@VintageWatchServices 2 ай бұрын

It's 54.5

@stephaneedy8255 2 ай бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices 🙏

@Flint_Hyzermatic 11 ай бұрын

Is that a little button you’re pushing to remove the crown? The retainer ring around the movement was installed upside down on my 6145-8010, and this looks to be a similar movement. Any tips on removing the crown so I can take the movement out and install that ring correctly? Thanks!

@VintageWatchServices 11 ай бұрын

Can you see the setting lever pusher? That's the "button" you need to depress to treasure the stem out.

@Flint_Hyzermatic 11 ай бұрын

0:51 mark, where you are pushing with the tweezers?

@VintageWatchServices 11 ай бұрын

@@Flint_Hyzermatic Yes

@Flint_Hyzermatic 11 ай бұрын

@@VintageWatchServicesThank you. I will do my best to avoid fouling this up, lol!

@hugejohnson5011 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video as always. With no hacking on this watch, my OCD would "redline" due to not being able to set it to the second, against one of the reference clocks! That being said, it is still a beauty of a watch.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and for your comment! Hacking wasn't very common at the time, and it's honestly not really necessary anyway on most watches. They'll be off by a few seconds the next day anyway. But it is a nice feature for sure. Is there my the way a normal sized Johnson? 😁

@hugejohnson5011 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Thanks for the input. No, the screen name is only for fun! Started as a way to make the mail man laugh, while bringing my junk mail to our store! Cheers!

@2008wrx Жыл бұрын

Hi! Could you tell if the bezel for the Marvel 36000 is stainless steel or it's plated (nickel or other material)? Thank you!

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Hello, the Lord Marvel has a steel case and bezel.

@2008wrx Жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices simple steel and plated? Or stainless steel?

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

@@2008wrx Stainless steel. I don't know if they had special JDM versions or such with other metals, but some Seiko forums might help you with deeper knowledge than I have :)

@ricky6019 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting…two questions if I can… Why don’t you use the MoS2 grease to this high beat movement? I saw only one jewel to the bridge about the barrel pivot, and another one onto the barrel: don’t you think is better than the second one onto the opposite part (platine)? Thanks again for your patience…

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Ricky, you mean grease with MoS2 for the keyless works? You can certainly do that but it wouldn't be too different from for instance 8300 grease, I'd say. For the barrel; I'd agree that it might be better to have the second jewel in the bridge, but with it in the barrel that also takes some of the sideways pressure off the barrel bearing, so it should work fine. It's certainly better to have jewel barrel bearings than not have them, which most watches do!

@ricky6019 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices about the MoS2, I mean about the pallets fork and escapement wheel…

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

@@ricky6019 I use 9415 for high beat movements and 941 for low beat ones. I've not heard of any MoS2 greases that would be good for the pallet fork, I would imagine they would be too sticky?

@ricky6019 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices probably it exists but in a dry form, about the pallets forks jewels, if I remember correct

@mikeabresch3827 2 жыл бұрын

I like that watch to plain and simple

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Mike, thanks for watching and for your comment! I completely agree with you, Seiko has a great sense for making uncluttered, elegant and timeless designs. They're a lot of people's favorite brand for this very reason!

@jonabitstream 2 жыл бұрын

Might you make a video showing more detail as to how you correct beat error and accuracy?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Jon, thanks for watching and for your comment! I show this in a bit more detail in a couple of other details, for instance the Zenith Surf one: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obKRpM2Iy9SuqaM.html

@jonabitstream 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices thanks!

@douro20 2 жыл бұрын

Not entirely uncommon in stopwatches at the time but certainly uncommon in wristwatches. Seiko back in 2008 introduced a watch in their ultra-high-end Credor line with their 8L88 movement which a beat rate of 43,200bph. They were plans to sell this movement on the open market as the ND58 but it never happened.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hi beat movements like these are very special indeed, and Seiko is a real master of them :)

@orvillefindley8117 2 жыл бұрын

From what I have read, prior to been known as the Lord Marvel they were the Seiko Lord. They only became the Lord Marvel when that high beat movement was introduced. They were only beaten by three months to being the first 36000 high beat movement. I believe this watch was produced in the period when Grand and King Seiko's were not in production. I think Seiko were focused on quartz watches at the time and were making the Grand and King Quartz watches.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Orville, thanks for watching and for your comment! The Lord Marvel was in fact a successor to the Marvel, and was the top line Seiko offered before they started making the King Seiko and Grand Seiko. The LM was introduced in 1958, the GS in 1960 and the KS in 1961. The LM was produced until the late 1970s. Seiko introduced their first quartz watch, the Astron on Christmas day in 1969, but that watch was very expensive, it cost the same as a car at the time! Quartz watches didn't become cheap and mainstream until the late 1970s and Seiko produced many more mechanical watches than quartz watches until the 1980s. The King Quartz and Grand Quartz models were introduced in 1974, I believe.

@orvillefindley8117 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Thanks for your reply. Seiko appear to be very hard to keep a track of. I think the make too many watches which are very similar to others they make. A good example of this is a watch I recently purchased, a Scuba pro 6309 7040. This watch is virtually identical to the Scuba pro 6306 7001. The only difference is the movements and a slightly larger cut out for the crown on the 6306. These differences would only be noticeable to a person with some knowledge of watches. The everyday man in the street would never be aware of these differences. So why make two watches which are identical in pretty much every way ? These two watches were also only made for Scuba pro, a dive equipment supplier and sold through their catalogue. I love Seiko watches and own a few. I would love to add a Lord Marvel and Grand Quartz.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

@@orvillefindley8117 Yep, that's certainly true. I'd say they have all the technical prowess anyone could ever want, but marketing-wise they're doing a lot of odd things... Very Japanese in a way, thus completely logical and systematic, just too complicated to get your head around 😂

@orvillefindley8117 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices In the case of the Scuba pro I'm glad they did make two. I could never afford a Scuba pro 6306, one in good condition would cost about £5000. I have never seen a genuine Scuba pro 6309 for sale other than the one I now own. It's in mint condition having been in storage since new. I would have no idea what the value of my watch would be ?

@christianblanche1569 2 жыл бұрын

Sir, what are top 3 value for money watch companies in your opinion besides Seiko ?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

It depends on whether you mean new or vintage? I'm not that much into new watches, but I'd say Certina is great value for money for vintage and probably new also, and the same goes for Tissot. Last perhaps Mido?

@christianblanche1569 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices I was thinking about longines , certina . What about longines ?

@Александр-ххх-з3з 2 жыл бұрын

Лайк и комментарий для продвижения отличного канала!!! Отличная работа Бро!!!

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Большое спасибо за это! ☺️

@ruelboluso9665 Жыл бұрын

What is the power reserve after your reconditioned?

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

About 42 hours, I believe

@rbmwiv Жыл бұрын

What is the power reserve on something with such a high beat? I assume it’s less than a 28,8000 watch. The Tissot powermatic 80 was originally a 28,800 move and been slowed down from what I’ve read it was to help it have its 80 hour power reserve.

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

The power reserve will for sure be a bit lower in a high beat movement than in a lower beat movement if all other circumstances are the same, but typically a high beat movement would have a stronger mainspring. Any new watch would have at least 40 hours of power, mostly a bit more, so the mechanisms would be designed accordingly.

@kswaminathan5439 2 жыл бұрын

This is another superb video. Absolutely fascinating. However, when you were removing the side bars, the video showed your face, but although you were talking, I noticed no movement of your lips. Do you first do the service and then superimpose your voice on the video? I noticed that you had fixed the balance wheel and then showed how the pallet fork jewel is to be oiled. I suppose this is from some other video which you showed to us for understanding how the jewel is to be oiled.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello K, thanks for watching and for your kind words, much appreciated! I do indeed record a voice-over during editing of the video, as the sound wouldn't be that good if I talked during recording. For the pallet stone oiling, well spotted, but that's simply an error in the editing. I use a different camera for recording the pallet stone oiling and got the sequence wrong when stitching them together 😂

@ccooper8785 Жыл бұрын

2:53 1. I feel personally attacked ! 2. I did not realise that there was any alternative way of eating a cake 3. (or packets of biscuits for that matter)

@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын

😂👍

@vitobirillo4511 2 жыл бұрын

TOP

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Vito! More to come, so stay tuned :)

@francescodalessandro2077 2 жыл бұрын

What oil have you used?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Francesco, thanks for watching! Not sure where you mean? In general I use HP1300 for posts, the center and third wheel, 9010 for other wheels and grease for the keyless works. For the pallet stones I use 941 for low beat movements and 9415 for 28800 and up.

@velviaman3206 2 жыл бұрын

Only Zenith matched the 36000 bph of Seiko ? If this is correct what is the reason.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello, thanks for watching and for your question! Quite a few manufacturers went the 36000 bph route, but Zenith was the first one offering it in an automatic chronograph. Girard Perregaux were the first ones to make a 36000 bph watch in 1966, and other brands such as Longines, Movado, Zodiac, Piaget, Citizen etc also made them while ebauche manufacturers such as ETA and AS also made 36000 bph movements. Nowadays however, I believe it is indeed only Zenith and Seiko offering 36000 bph watches on a regular basis. There are some downsides to the extra oscillations in terms of wear and lubrication, and 28800 bph offers almost as smooth a seconds hand at lower risk.

@velviaman3206 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Thanks, I had been looking for this list, I had no idea that there had been so many.

@barryfields2964 2 жыл бұрын

It’s not laziness, if you go and do something else while the cleaning machine is running. It’s time saving.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, fully agree. I like to use the term laziness since it's a bit provocative, but most innovations nowadays are in reality more about efficiency.

@ssnerd583 2 жыл бұрын

My grail watch is a Grand Seiko spring drive. I WILL own one before I die. I have a tremendous respect for watchmakers, and I could NEVER be one as I would likely end up with watch parts stuck in the walls and the ceiling and the cat.....sorry, kitty :(

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

😂 Keep the cat away from the parts tray indeed! You get used to small parts after a while, and when you're in the zone it's very cool to work on watches! The GS Spring Drive is indeed a technological wonder and Seiko has probably the nicest dials of any brand nowadays (with the possible exception of Moser). Good luck with it!

@ssnerd583 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Yes, I have an affection for mechanical things....I do have a couple quartz watches...for work....but I found a NOS mid '90's Vostok Amphibia for cheap and I have to admit that after replacing the bracelet, its one of my favorite watches...lol I LOVE the odd, arcane finds....I have a couple 24hr watches and get a lot of comments on them....lol The GS Spring Drive may be a Christmas present to myself this year if the gods are willing :) I appreciate your work and sharing it on YT. Thank you for doing what you do, here :)

@cjmarsh504 2 жыл бұрын

Lord marvel sounds like a very powerful comic book character

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

😁 He would kick some proper ass for sure! Rolex sounds more like a villain...

@cjmarsh504 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices I agree

@watchesarts.5599 2 жыл бұрын

😍😍😍🎆

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for watching and for your comment! More to come, so stay tuned :)

@mrkrsl_ 2 жыл бұрын

Love the Norwegian pronunciation which turns the brand into ‘Psycho’. A little unfair of me to say so, perhaps. Also unfair on the watch, which is pretty darned sane, other than that frantic ticking.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

😂 I actually don't say it that way, I pronounce it "say-ko", only "say" as Crocodile Dundee pronounces it :)

@Matt-uj6jm 2 жыл бұрын

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@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt! Another video coming today, so stay tuned :)

@georgeliquor2931 2 жыл бұрын

Is that a left hand thread at 10.00

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello George, do you mean the crown wheel screw? It is indeed left handed, commonly marked with a groove on each side of the screw slot.

@georgeliquor2931 2 жыл бұрын

@@VintageWatchServices Thank you, that piece of information will come in very handy.

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Note that you may find left handed screws that are not marked like this but all screws that are marked like this are left handed. In general it's mostly the crown wheel screw that might be left handed but you can also find them on the dial side as for instance in some Rolex calibers.

@MrMadvillan 2 жыл бұрын

handling the dial without finger cots?

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and for your question! Lifting the dial carefully off by holding it gently by the edges is fine, as that will not leave any marks, although I generally advocate using finger cots. As long as you're careful that's not a problem but it is indeed better to show using cots as some viewers might not pick up on the nuances. You need to use finger cots when assembling clean parts, however, and if you're actually touching the dial itself you of course need finger cots. I made some comments about the use of finger cots in the video as many people seem to think you need to use finger cots or latex gloves on both hands all the time when working on watches. I don't know how they got that idea but it's akin to thinking that you need to wear a hazmat suit to walk outside: it's overdone and not based on logical thinking. Finger cots are for the thumb and a couple of the other fingers on your non-dominant (typically left) hand when handling clean parts.

@thatwhitecat Жыл бұрын

I own a lord marvel these are really cool watches but mine had a weird metal ping in the beat 😔

@bigbob1699 2 жыл бұрын

PS stay well .

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

And you! 😁

@Karol235 2 жыл бұрын

seiko for some people very good brand and great watches, I personally miss something about these watches. Maybe they are good and at reasonable prices, but mechanical old watches are not chosen out of reason, they must have "something" inside. I don't know if you understand me well. Regards Karol

@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Karol, I'm not sure if you are referring to quartz? I'm not a fan of quartz either, they just don't make my heart tick 😉