The Green Coup - House of the Dragon

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David Lightbringer

David Lightbringer

Жыл бұрын

Will the Greens try to pull a coup next week? Probably. Did they already try to pull one last week, with Vaemond as their trojan horsee? Why yes, yes they did. (NO SPOILERS!)
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@cupcakeordeath
@cupcakeordeath Жыл бұрын
The sexual tension between Daemon and Aemond was so thick you’d need Dark Sister to cut it.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
@thisguy8106
@thisguy8106 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@jschoma11
@jschoma11 Жыл бұрын
They either need to fight or just kiss already
@rtstrong
@rtstrong Жыл бұрын
Daemon and Aemond see themselves in each other. It wasn’t an accident that Aemond’s actor look’s like Matt Smith right down to the jawline.
@jschoma11
@jschoma11 Жыл бұрын
@@rtstrong phrasing
@markjohnson406
@markjohnson406 Жыл бұрын
Viserys pulling the knife when Vaemond calls the kids bastards is incredibly savage. The last of his strength went into that day, and it was awesome.
@TealWolf26
@TealWolf26 Жыл бұрын
If Viserys had been healthy, Daemon may not have had to slay Vaemond on the king's behalf.
@lewsTT1887
@lewsTT1887 Жыл бұрын
@@TealWolf26 Didn't Viserys say Vaemond would only lose his tongue for calling them Bastards, not get killed?
@jag9872
@jag9872 Жыл бұрын
@@lewsTT1887 calling her daughter a whore probably gave him special treatment
@devoleno
@devoleno Жыл бұрын
That's the blood of the dragon
@jschoma11
@jschoma11 Жыл бұрын
@@TealWolf26 I doubt the King would be allowed to risk his person under any circumstances
@Buttery200
@Buttery200 Жыл бұрын
I didn't see Vaemond's beheading coming, but at the same time I was like "Dude, just be cool. You are totally not playing this game right" lol.
@nagamata
@nagamata Жыл бұрын
The court room scene was an astounding example of the top notch writing in this show IMO. I felt both disdainful AND sympathetic for Vaemond, to where I wanted him to stfu, while also totally understanding, and almost agreeing with him, both on a rational and emotional level. Like damn bro, you might be right but this aint it, my man, this aint it.
@TheDude1980
@TheDude1980 Жыл бұрын
Is Paddy Considine of pure genius, or what? I am going to miss his character, as much if not more then I missed Eddard Stark after Season 1 of GoT.
@bibekkoirala352
@bibekkoirala352 Жыл бұрын
@@TheDude1980 BOTH ARE IDIOT. reason of madness using emotion to work rather than brain but it is HOTD and GOT. otherwise we would not had this great show.
@roddo1955
@roddo1955 Жыл бұрын
Veamond had me rolling my eyes the whole time. I totally understood where he came from but at the same time I was like: how dumb are you. Read the room. You said your piece and ended up beheaded. Could have lived another day to fight for Leana's and Beala. True born grandchildren of his brother. His death was totally avoidable and achieved exactly nothing.
@nagamata
@nagamata Жыл бұрын
@@TheDude1980 absolutely. Of all the characters, I didn’t expect to be most impressed by him. The other actors are also fantastic of course, but he really came in swingin, and to say that Paddy Consadine brought Viserys to life would be an understatement. It was an absolute joy to watch him perform.
@ElissaStark514
@ElissaStark514 Жыл бұрын
I just said the same! He's like the Ned of this show.
@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215
@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215 Жыл бұрын
If they gave Norman Reedus a star for the Walking Dead, than I demand one for Paddy Considine as Viserys. I can't wait to meet Cregan Stark.
@carter9449
@carter9449 Жыл бұрын
All Rhaenyra needed to do is when Viserys was on the throne, say "Your current Hand was willing to hear petitions on the legitimacy of my sons and thus my claim to the throne, if you wish that I succeed you name Daemon or I Hand now, otherwise name your Hand's grandson the heir and put and end to it.". There, war ended unless he really refuses to choose one or the other
@aileenpi73
@aileenpi73 Жыл бұрын
Viserys made quite the many mistakes but bringing Otto back as Hand was the worse decision.
@chrisrubin6445
@chrisrubin6445 Жыл бұрын
very good point Otto sitting there and politely hearing out Vaemond is high treason, and Viserys should be smart enough to know that, considering how the mere suggestion of Aegon as heir was enough for him to accuse Jason Lannister of plotting treason
@nadjapavlovic5953
@nadjapavlovic5953 Жыл бұрын
Hand sitting on the Iron Throne is pretty usual when the king does not want to come. Which Viserys did not want to do until Rheanyra asked him. Ned Stark sat on the Iron Throne for Robert when he did not want to come, and that was perfectly legal.
@carter9449
@carter9449 Жыл бұрын
@@nadjapavlovic5953 the issue isn't that Otto was on the chair, it's what he was doing on the chair. Viserys had said he'd have the tongue out of anyone bringing this up and Otto was intead hearing him out against the kings wishes
@chrisrubin6445
@chrisrubin6445 Жыл бұрын
@@nadjapavlovic5953 hand sitting the iron throne in the kings absence, is fine. Hand conspiring against the kings wishes and rightful heirs, behind the kings back, to snatch power for himself and his family, definitely high treason.
@tonttu7979
@tonttu7979 Жыл бұрын
People were already saying it in the community post, but i think Helaena is set up to be on the spectrum, and is covering her ears because of sensory overload. She seems kind of awkward at the dinner table too (with Otto reassuring her after her toast). Also fits into that speculation that the Targaryens who dream of the future do so because their brains work differently from the rest. That dreamers dont just have some magical superpower but interract with the world slightly differently because of neurodivergency
@captainziggy82
@captainziggy82 Жыл бұрын
would make sense given what we know so far about her daughter
@jennbledsoe2683
@jennbledsoe2683 Жыл бұрын
I took it to mean both that she is on the autism spectrum as well but also that because her power she doesn’t experience time the same way that we do. When she sees in the future she doesn’t realize that it’s not the future right now. What she says she doesn’t understand or doesn’t realize when she says it but what she sees is happening someday not now thus she sounds crazy. I don’t think she sees time in a linear way like everyone else. She slips between the present and the future. That could be the curse of Dragon dreamers and why they seem a little off. And since the Hightower’s don’t know a lot about dragon dreamers Aegon and the others assume that she is an idiot when she is just really a pre-cog
@logancarlile8895
@logancarlile8895 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m not sure why he is acting like it’s some crazy clue about something, it was literally on screen for one second and her previous behavior def seems on the spectrum
@femalegays
@femalegays Жыл бұрын
@@logancarlile8895 because most of the time, writers not on the spectrum will write characteristics of ppl on the spectrum as more plot devices than character that have autism.
@AjayKumar-hh6hx
@AjayKumar-hh6hx Жыл бұрын
I don't think it is that deep. People generally close their ears and eyes when they watch bloodshed in real life. Not everything needs to be about mental health.
@ryansheskey276
@ryansheskey276 Жыл бұрын
Anyone even notice not only did Aemond take Jaces best shot and didn't get phased, but also easily pushed him to the ground with one arm and NEVER SPILLED A DROP OF HIS DRINK!!!??? That's pretty gangster.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
I did notice that and yeah, he’s an OG
@vanessalore9942
@vanessalore9942 Жыл бұрын
Why isn’t someone training those boys?
@yusufraage8554
@yusufraage8554 Жыл бұрын
@@vanessalore9942 They are being trained as diplomats and as future rulers because Rheanyra thinks the succession is gonna go peacefully.
@MourningCoffeeMusic
@MourningCoffeeMusic Жыл бұрын
Viserys was serving Targaryen realness this episode. 11/10 👌🏼🐲
@SciEntertainment
@SciEntertainment Жыл бұрын
Damn I miss Gay of Thrones
@lolagranola77
@lolagranola77 Жыл бұрын
Paddy says that behind the scenes
@fleshbhones
@fleshbhones Жыл бұрын
I believe Halaena is coded as being on the spectrum, covering the ears is a very common behavior when over stimulated. I don't think there's anything magical there, though she is a dreamer so you never know! Great video as always!
@1ightcap
@1ightcap Жыл бұрын
yeah when it happens I thought I might have be prophetic up until the dinner, her movement seemed flappy and her jest against aegon made being in the spectrum click for me
@nagamata
@nagamata Жыл бұрын
I agree. The actress’s portrayal of the character is beautifully nuanced. There’s no reason she can’t be both a prophetic dreamer and also neurodivergent; one doesn’t have to mean the absolute affirmation or negation of the other in a causal sense.
@dr0g_Oakblood
@dr0g_Oakblood Жыл бұрын
Potential Spoiler if you haven't read F&B: Considering that her daughter is very much coded as being on the spectrum, I very much think that Helaena is being coded as such, as well as being a Dreamer on top of that.
@jamiemacdonald5203
@jamiemacdonald5203 Жыл бұрын
A lot of bs could've been avoided if Rhaenyra and Laenor found a valaryon guy for Rhaenyra to bone instead of Harwin. There's plenty of them on Driftmark, I'm pretty sure Lord Corlys himself would've found one and kept it quiet if it meant that someone from his house would one day sit the throne.
@justinp1773
@justinp1773 Жыл бұрын
That’s a funny premise to imagine but I like it. Probably could’ve gotten Vaemond to do the deed himself. Bet he wouldn’t be so quick to complain about her choice of partners then…
@giverdend1416
@giverdend1416 Жыл бұрын
I think because Rhaenyra wasn't having children out of her own political gain. She loved Harwin and had fidelity towards him (hence having 3 children with him, and him alone, for over a decade) and it stands to reason to assume that she would have married him rather than Laenor if Viserys hadn't forced the issue, had that relationship and those children with the full acknowledgment and support of her legal husband, yet she gets branded a whore. In the meantime, Aegon is a sex menace, doesn't care at all about being disloyal towards his wife behind her back, and in the books he had many bastards of his own as well, yet nobody bats an eyelash or decides to dismiss his claim or calls him a whore. It's kinda funny that the solution to Rhaenyra's problem is apparently that she should have been a "whore".
@judigemini178
@judigemini178 Жыл бұрын
@@justinp1773 no way vaemond would agree to that, he makes an heir to the throne and just keeps quiet & lets people believe he’s laenor’s?Highly doubt that, he’s the prideful ambitious type. And rhaenyra made it clear she’s not gonna bed men old enough to be her father. Plus she kinda moves with a kind of invincibility, like someone who isn’t afraid of doing whatever she wants because she can & usually does get away with it, only recently has she started feeling threatened & doing sth about it.
@Thewhitequeen0
@Thewhitequeen0 Жыл бұрын
Some of it could've been avoided, but considering Rhaenyra and Daemon have now birthed legitimate heirs and the Hightowers/others still oppose them, it ultimately doesn't matter. The problem isn't with the boys, it's with her becoming Queen. They would come up with any reason to justify a coup
@kennethmacalpin7655
@kennethmacalpin7655 Жыл бұрын
But that would require Rhaenyra to think about the consequences of her actions, which is not her strong point.
@shelleyj3704
@shelleyj3704 Жыл бұрын
I was just remembering that Helaena was a fussy baby - nice touch that when we saw her as an infant, she was overstimulated and crying.
@cephasoj108
@cephasoj108 Жыл бұрын
Anyone else think it's kinda wierd how alicent wholeheartedly believes viserys wanted to name aegon as his heir considering viserys actions ever since he named rheanyra as his heir? Like even on the same day he apparently said that he defended her honor and her sons from being threatened by vaemond.
@harsh_1910
@harsh_1910 Жыл бұрын
@@shippendales8543 tbf what else would she assume that that's fourth son should be king that would be a lot more of a stretch than what she believes she heard
@papabungle
@papabungle Жыл бұрын
Don't forget, while Viserys never told her about the Song of Ice and Fire, he DID tell her about his dream where he lifted his son up to the throne. When she heard "Aegon's prophecy" she's probably thinking about the dream Viserys told her about. And while the Hightowers are self serving, Alicent has seen Viserys express deep uncertainty about his decision to name Rhaenyra as heir as well as how he's had this sort of prophecy about putting his son on the throne. And while she is self serving, she's definitely thinking about that as one of her main moral justifications.
@just42day
@just42day Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Alicent is not a freshman in the game, she’s no fool and she understood what happened. She knew Viserys isn’t at all well and interchanges names. It will be her guilt free excuse to further the coup.
@oglocop4693
@oglocop4693 Жыл бұрын
"wholeheartedly" certainly isn't accurate. From her face, it seems likely that she is willfully deceiving herself and in the promo for the next episode she says to someone that Viserys told her he wanted Aegon to be king and it reads as if she was lying. I still think it's an unnecessary complication of her motivations and just confuses her character. But I appreciate that some people like it as well.
@demirkazanasmaz6097
@demirkazanasmaz6097 Жыл бұрын
Director said that she misunderstood
@postpunk6947
@postpunk6947 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Vaemond simply committed suicide. He felt his case was lost and decided to scream the truth before he died. The moment Daemon said "say it", Vaemond knew it was over. In a way, I like him because he was right and he was telling the truth. Even so, my heart is on the side of Daemon Targaryen, the Rogue Prince. The whole scene in the throne room is my favorite so far. Paddy deserved an Emmy just for that scene. Overall, this episode was 100% his, even though everyone was great. It has been a long time since no actor evoked such emotions and tears in me as Paddy Considine in episode 8.
@ivanacvetanovic7611
@ivanacvetanovic7611 Жыл бұрын
Not when he said Rhaenyra was a 'whore'. That doesn't qualify as truth.
@kalecrystal4054
@kalecrystal4054 Жыл бұрын
Agreed He knew he was going out but he wanted to go out speaking the truth And he wasn’t wrong
@cloudzol4623
@cloudzol4623 Жыл бұрын
@@kalecrystal4054 Nah it just makes him look shortsighted and stupid tbh. Like LML said, he could've just sat in the red keep and waited for the greens to take power the next day or whenever.
@The-Doctor6969
@The-Doctor6969 Жыл бұрын
@@cloudzol4623 yes, his niece baela would be a big fan of that haha
@kennethmacalpin7655
@kennethmacalpin7655 Жыл бұрын
When Daemon said "Say it", I wanted Vaemond to turn to him and ask "Say what?" and put it back onto Daemon. Then he could go back to Driftmark to raise an army and call Jacaerys a bastard throughout the kingdoms like the Baratheons did with Joffrey.
@hardybryan
@hardybryan Жыл бұрын
You know, if Viserys really wanted to 'set things right' he probably should have fired Otto and made Daemon the Hand during his final day of lucidity.
@AaronGuest
@AaronGuest Жыл бұрын
Why? Otto was a good hand.
@hardybryan
@hardybryan Жыл бұрын
@@AaronGuest because it would have avoided the civil war to come that your 'good hand' has been plotting for 20 years. Good Hands don't foment and commit treason.
@MaraJadeSkky
@MaraJadeSkky Жыл бұрын
@@AaronGuest *a good hand with an agenda
@AaronGuest
@AaronGuest Жыл бұрын
@@MaraJadeSkky Soooo aka every single hand ever? Even Lyonel Strong had an agenda when he didn't admit Rhaenyra's kids were his son's bastards.
@hardybryan
@hardybryan Жыл бұрын
@@AaronGuest Again, the good ones don't plot treason and civil war.
@AlexAustralis
@AlexAustralis Жыл бұрын
The thing that gets me with the Green's use of Rhaenyra having mothered bastards as a MASSIVE part of their claim, is that that's fallen apart now, too. Even if they were to disinherit her first 3 boys and name them as bastards, she and Daemon have had 2 kids, with a third on the way who are all perfectly legitimate and have full claims. So even if Rhaenyra herself was also punished for her kids' parentage, and was taken out of inheritance order, because she was still Viserys' named heir, then her sons would take up the claim before Viserys' children with Alicent did. So no matter which way you slice it, the Greens are just out to do a coup with only the fact that Rhaenyra does not have male genitalia - something which Viserys has made abundantly clear no longer matters when it comes to succession - as their only evidence.
@AlexAustralis
@AlexAustralis Жыл бұрын
And just to add another quick comment: of course if this scenario happened, Driftmark's succession would once again be thrown into question, but as David said in the video, that really only ever mattered to the Greens insofar as they could use it to softly call Rhaenyra's kids bastards without having to say it directly themselves while Viserys was still alive.
@PhilHug1
@PhilHug1 Жыл бұрын
This isn't me taking a side or anything but couldnt the Greens argue that Rhaenyra trying to pass bastards as legitimate heirs to the throne was a treasonous act that disqualified her from the throne long before she had legimate kids with Daemon thereby making Aegon the heir?
@jeffrey6625
@jeffrey6625 Жыл бұрын
Since Rhaenyra lied and commited treason by passing off bastards as heir, shouldn’t that immediately invalidate her claim + her blood line? Also if you want to get really technical: since Laenor is still alive in the show, Rhaenyra’s children with Daemon can also be considered bastards.
@jollychiu1269
@jollychiu1269 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffrey6625 By my own understanding, the succession of the iron throne does not state that a bastard (targaryen) can not inherit the throne. That's just the view of westeros or a faith septon towards bastards. But Targaryen definitely are not originally from westeros and not oblige to follow their rules
@Buttery200
@Buttery200 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffrey6625 Yes! Precisely! Show Rhaenyra is also now guilty of bigamy presuming bigamy is illegal, which I gather it must be from the earlier exchange between Viserys and Daemon when Viserys was like, "Dude, you can't marry Rhaenyra, you're already married."
@michaeldonahue1009
@michaeldonahue1009 Жыл бұрын
Re: the courtroom scene - let us speak of colour symbolism. Notice the Hightower Hand in SERIOUS GREEN and the Hightower Queen in SERIOUS GREEN and the Hightower alt-Heir in SERIOUS GREEN and the Hightowers' own Mart-of-the-Wal version of Daemon in SERIOUS GREEN and right in the middle we see Luna Lovebugs in patterned gold like she totally hasn't noticed that there's been a dress code for 16 years now...
@prestonknight2485
@prestonknight2485 Жыл бұрын
Definitely adds to Helaena being a tragic character, an innocent bystander who is unaffiliated with the Greens
@lucinda3964
@lucinda3964 Жыл бұрын
Maybe I didn't pay enough attention (too busy sobbing from all of the feels) but I did not notice any rats in this episode. I guess Larys is busy picking out the curtains for Harrenhal?
@SilverScale.
@SilverScale. Жыл бұрын
"Wouldn't wanna sleep through your own coup?" LOL! Actual laugh out loud on that one! 🤣
@dmcboi
@dmcboi Жыл бұрын
I already suspected Heleana to have ASD from her previous seemingly obsessive behaviour over her insects and just the general way she acted in those scenes, but her covering her ears kinda confirmed it to me as someone with it. Basically being sensually overstimulated so shutting off one avenue of sensing (hearing) as a coping mechanism, its common af
@spaztron5000
@spaztron5000 Жыл бұрын
I now think that the phrase "the patience of Doran Martell" should be the Westeros verion of "the patience of Job".
@Inevari
@Inevari Жыл бұрын
For a lot of time it looked like Hightowers / Maesters tried to either kill or induce sickness in Viserys but after episode 8 it looked more like they tried to keep Vizzy T living as long as possible drugged up on Milk of the Poppy to have de facto rule over seven kingdoms. It's also interesting that just like you said - it took Hightowers a looooong time to set this coup ready. From when Hobert was fully on in the plan to when finally Alicent came to terms with what was bound to happen on that day. Would Rhaenyra & Daemon even be there if Baela wouldn't sent a message from Driftmark? It was a good plan & Hightowers were (luckily for us) unlucky to see it fail.
@ToppaliniTube
@ToppaliniTube Жыл бұрын
the Hightowers had a lot of power through Alicent before that and even before Otto came back. I think they took advantage of Viserys dying to take over the rule, but also, whoever was hand of the king would have done the same. From Otto and Alicent's point of view, they are in fact doing what is right for the realm and legally correct. And they're trying to fix Viserys' many failures in their eyes. If their coup had succeeded they may have avoided the coming war. Also were they really drugging him up to keep him out of the throne room? He was clearly in complete agony, he's missing half his face. Did they really give him the opium to drug him or because he's in incredible pain? The question is rather whether they put him in that invalid state in the first place.
@jamninja9809
@jamninja9809 Жыл бұрын
Vizzy T 🤣
@factbeaglesarebest
@factbeaglesarebest Жыл бұрын
Even though Fire and blood is biased, it has the portrayal of a Maester with his own biases… but I think it pretty much disproves that.
@ryanjuguilon213
@ryanjuguilon213 Жыл бұрын
@@ToppaliniTube Huh? How can they avoid the war when a lot of lords are willing to follow their formers king's command and acknowledged Rhaenyra's claim? Most of the Realm supported Rhaenyra. Had GRRM has been a bit better in military matters the Greens cause was hopeless. Instead he sends thw blacks's dragon roders one by one instead in mass. How can the greens deploy theor very few dragons to turn battles while thw blacks just stayed passively in dragonstone leqving their victorious armies to be beaten one by one.
@katiew.9973
@katiew.9973 Жыл бұрын
As someone somewhere on the spectrum, my guess is Halaena was just over stimulated in the moment. HOWEVER, I do love a more magical explanation. If I were to guess, I would say she might have been hearing the song of Valyrian steel when Daemon killed Vaemond with Dark Sister. From what I recall, there's multiple instances of Valyrian steel "singing" or "wailing" in the books, like during the first Blackfyre rebellion, when Lady Forlorn and Blackfyre struck each other, and it was said you could hear a "scream" for leagues around. Not to mention all of the weird blood magic related to forging Valyrian steel. Perhaps Halaena could hear Dark Sister relishing in her latest blood sacrifice. 😈
@JEMurl
@JEMurl Жыл бұрын
*over stimulated
@katiew.9973
@katiew.9973 Жыл бұрын
@@JEMurl Thank you for catching that! Got it edited!
@cinnabartab1719
@cinnabartab1719 Жыл бұрын
Vaemond was completely wrong for bringing this to court. Driftmark should have passed to Rhaena first through Laena before going to any of the uncles or cousins. He was not only overstepping Lucerys, he was doing exactly what lord Karstark was doing to Alys Karstark in ASOIAF.
@GreyWasteTim
@GreyWasteTim Жыл бұрын
Baela is the older sister, but her and Rhaena have Targaryen as their last name. Corlys says history remembers names, not blood, and while Vaemond is arguing for Velaryon blood to sit the Driftwood Throne he also recognizes the Velaryon name is just as, if not more important. Luke has the name, not the blood. Baela and Rhaena have the blood, not the name.
@ivanacvetanovic7611
@ivanacvetanovic7611 Жыл бұрын
Is is weird indeed, since the usual Westerosi custom is daughters before uncles.
@cinnabartab1719
@cinnabartab1719 Жыл бұрын
@@GreyWasteTim I did mean Baela first not Rhaena. Keep mixing up their names. But there is precedent in the main series about a lord taking his mothers name to claim, if I remember correctly, the Hornwood lands in the north. Baela could simply take her mothers name.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
right and that's why marrying Rhaena to Luke should be an acceptable outcome
@alexelijah651
@alexelijah651 Жыл бұрын
Seeing Rhaenyra’s boys labeled with the last name “Waters” activated my fight or flight😤🔥
@MaraJadeSkky
@MaraJadeSkky Жыл бұрын
The House of the Dragon told Hightowers "NOT TODAY!"
@vanessalore9942
@vanessalore9942 Жыл бұрын
I love Paddy and acknowledge his greatness, but no one ever comes before Daemon for me. Matt actually got some decent screen time and dialogue this episode. But yes, he conveys a lot with his eyes
@BlackSteelKeyChain
@BlackSteelKeyChain Жыл бұрын
It makes no sense that someone whose every action shows that he wanted Rhaenyra to remain heir to the point of him painfully holding court on that day for her. She only heard wanted she wanted to here to justify what her family’s been planning for years
@angelaaltman864
@angelaaltman864 Жыл бұрын
Great video, as always, LML❤️ My favorite lines so far both come from Daemon: "Welcome to Dragonstone Ot-to" "Say it..." The way he pronounced Otto during the standoff scene made my skin crawl and excited me at the same time. 🏠 Of The 🐉
@Matt-xc6sp
@Matt-xc6sp Жыл бұрын
Otto is like the big fish in a small pond that gets dumped into the ocean every time a Targaryen is in the room
@aileenpi73
@aileenpi73 Жыл бұрын
I liked “no need” after beheading Vaemond lol
@angelaaltman864
@angelaaltman864 Жыл бұрын
@@aileenpi73 yeah, that was really good too
@potocurry
@potocurry Жыл бұрын
Wait when did Daemon say the first line? Can't seem to remember hearing it
@angelaaltman864
@angelaaltman864 Жыл бұрын
@@potocurry it was the second episode when the king wanted to confront Daemon about taking over Dragonstone but Otto insisted on going instead. They met on the bridge while Daemon played Hot Potato with the dragon egg he took.
@SyS591
@SyS591 Жыл бұрын
Also another symbolism i found interesting is, haelena is the one starts dancing first denoting coming of dance of dragons
@kingddg218
@kingddg218 Жыл бұрын
Aegon the unsoberd is his new name we keeping that
@lobomedina6312
@lobomedina6312 Жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis per usual 👍 The Queen Who Should've Been is a woman of honor and integrity. When she told Rhaenyra she "stands for herself" that plays into the theme as a whole imo. Fun "Easter egg": King Viserys' mask replicates Dany's bro Viserys' "golden crown".
@fatthorstumtum6593
@fatthorstumtum6593 Жыл бұрын
Ser David of house Lightbringer lights the way!
@zackfletcher2129
@zackfletcher2129 Жыл бұрын
Long may he reign!
@shreyakar9220
@shreyakar9220 Жыл бұрын
I bow down to you for bringing us such quality content every week.🙌
@user-uy1rg8td1v
@user-uy1rg8td1v Жыл бұрын
His eyeglasses and voice reminds me of The Corinthian from The Sandman.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
oh no, the voice too?
@MrLiljerk23
@MrLiljerk23 Жыл бұрын
Dope video! I love the part ab Helaena “hearing something we can’t” along with the fact that she’s a dreamer. It’s one of my favorite changes/additions from F&B!! 🔥🔥 I know we still got 2 episode left but maaaaannnn am I ready for season 2!!!! 😆
@vanessalore9942
@vanessalore9942 Жыл бұрын
Has anyone noticed how Daemon never stands up when Alicent enters the room?
@raymondoutson4504
@raymondoutson4504 Жыл бұрын
King Vissy wanted to be tested and looked strong with the blade. He did rise to the fight, as he always wanted 🥺🥺
@lucymorudu5860
@lucymorudu5860 Жыл бұрын
I believe King Viserys started the war the moment he decided to keep Rhaenyra as his heir because he felt guilty for killing her mother, The moment he had a son everyone assumed Aegon would be heir because he's the firstborn son. Even if he married Laena instead of Alicent their firstborn son was expected to be the heir and am pretty sure lord corlys would be the new otto because of his ambition he would also want his grandson to be king. He even reassured Rhaenyra that he will not remove her as heir to honor the memory of her mother he was a good father but a weak king. What makes me blame him more is the fact that he knew that for him to become king it was voted by the Great council to avoid the same thing that he just did by putting her daughter as heir. Rhaenyra was never gonna have a peaceful reign even if the greens were not against her, people and most lords would prefer Aegon and they were gonna fight her, for to continue sitting on the iron throne she would have to kill Aegon and the moment Aegon was dead the next in line would be Aemond after killing Aemond it would be Daerion. Alicent's sons will forever have a stronger claim, and if Rhaenyra wanted to put her son with Daemon as heir she would have to admit that her other children are bastards, therefore, putting them in danger and further weakening her claim. When she dies No lords would ever kneel to her bastards' children. If she decides not to kill Alicent's children then she would have to kill a lot of people and High lords who went against her then she would rule a kingdom where everyone hated her and wanted her to die. Never underestimate the power of small folks. If I'm getting this correctly most people would rather let Alicent support Rhaenyra and pray that Rhaenyra would show mercy to her sons and just kill everyone who opposes her. Everyone who believes Rhaenyra and Daemon are not capable of killing anyone to get what they want, then they must be blind. The guard Daemon killed did not have much in the story but it is to show that Rhaenyra and Daemon would do anything to get what they want, even if an innocent has to die. The big difference between Rhaenyra and Alicent is that Alicent got the "strongs" killed unknowingly without even planning it. All Alicent's sons have to die in order for Rhaenyra or her sons to rule peacefully without a fight and most people are saying she should gamble by supporting Rhaenyra and hope for the best why?
@mapletree3434
@mapletree3434 Жыл бұрын
The other perspective: Jaeharys started the war by fighting for incest instead of general primogeniture. Incest was not a necessity for getting dragonriders. While, the gender of the chilld/ children can not be chosen. One simply can't decide to have sons so male primogeniture is a big gamble. He capitulated on that issue (a crucial one) which no king or queen can control, while fighting for incest marriage, which was not crucial. Finally, male primogeniture caused the war. Anyways, all rulers suck in their own way with the consequences of their actions ripple through centuries. Why am I team black, then, I can not fathom 😂, but I really am.
@mcbeaty3971
@mcbeaty3971 Жыл бұрын
@@mapletree3434 No, he needed to fight for incest as otherwise the faith would simply brand them all „abominations of incest“ as they had before and cause the faithful to rise up against them. Why would he need to fight for Agnatic-Cognatic primogeniture? It’s what the lords of Westeros had already believed the iron throne to be operating under.
@nonjabulomangoro1871
@nonjabulomangoro1871 Жыл бұрын
Princess Rhaenys is proof that most of Kingdom wouldn't support a first born daughter over a son, which is funny cause it seems King Viserys forgot how he got his throne. Knowing this(his own path to being king), Viserys should have either named Aegon and not left things up in the air, or married Aegon and Rhaenyra to each other also not leaving things up in the air lol. Rhaenyra was just dumb with the Strong children, she should of at least visited her uncle every few years. That decision alone by Rhaenyra ensured a Targaryen civil war or multiple in the future no matter how peaceful Rhaenyra and Alicent can try to be now. I'm not sure if Alicent would have agreed to the proposal if the kids at least looked Valyrian, but they'd have more wiggle room. Viserys was complacent, he spoke a lot and did a lot of nothing, he wanted his family to be peaceful but made no decisions that would ensure that peace. He was just as willfully blind as Rhaenyra, that if he just says something is true EVERYONE will just believe it and move forward with it, that if he wants his daughter to be Queen the realm will rejoice in it.
@kelvinthan2127
@kelvinthan2127 Жыл бұрын
Wow, many thanks for this video. Prior to this, I have never realized the extend of Otto's planning. I think I finally understand why senior green members were in dismay when the event in episode 10 is supposed to happen. If that event have not had happened, Otto can have all the time to gather more support, especially from the High Septon in Old Town to formally question Jace's parentage and eventually disinherit him...ending the claim from the Black. Really makes me look at the event in a whole different light. A blessing in disguise.
@look4lec
@look4lec Жыл бұрын
I *think* they were going for the autism route. Individuals often will resort to covering their ears or even their whole head when they are anxious, scared, or even angry. People on the spectrum have sound oversensitivity as well, so while they have normal hearing but their brain amplifies it to make it very uncomfortable. I think both for H.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s hard to say what’s what and very likely her neurodivergent behaviors are tied to her constant prophetic vision and hearing
@tiffanysullivan5454
@tiffanysullivan5454 Жыл бұрын
That Vaemond/Hamster edit is pure gold!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@tikko1023
@tikko1023 Жыл бұрын
Damn we've come far that people don't know about Dramatic Look Gopher 💀
@tiffanysullivan5454
@tiffanysullivan5454 Жыл бұрын
@@tikko1023 dude I'm 51, I was here before KZfaq was, so yeah, I've seen it. Gopher/Hamster, who cares? It's still hilarious. Hope you had a great day😁
@crashcanary5572
@crashcanary5572 Жыл бұрын
I could totally burn down with the great Lightbringer while discussing ASOIAF! 🔥 💨 🐉
@Drew_Thompson
@Drew_Thompson Жыл бұрын
Imho vaemond didn’t care about the marriage pact because it still meant bastards on the driftwood throne. People in Westeros don’t just have contempt for bastards but outright superstitions about their inherent evil.
@ElissaStark514
@ElissaStark514 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm thinking of how bastardy is treated in Dunk and Egg, and there's an overwhelming distrust of them.
@theph0enix24
@theph0enix24 Жыл бұрын
"beware the beast below the floorboards." I think she's referring to Mysaria, She's called the white worm, that could be the beast, and under the floorboards could be referring to her spies acting the shadows.
@tiniestavenger6329
@tiniestavenger6329 Жыл бұрын
I like it!
@samgrosky575
@samgrosky575 Жыл бұрын
I love this interpretation of that! It's very plausible
@theph0enix24
@theph0enix24 Жыл бұрын
Thanks 😊
@shreyakar9220
@shreyakar9220 Жыл бұрын
the last scene with viserys and alicent, I think alicent is now finding ways to justify her actions against Rhaenyra cuz much like crispin, she cannot live with them, and alicent knows that viserys always wanted Rhaenyra to be queen, if he really wanted aegon to be king he would have declared in front of the court, which he didn't and over that alicent knew viserys always wanted to avoid war, so it doesn't really makes any sense why would he tell her that especially after he dragged his sick body to the throne room.
@bilosdiogee410
@bilosdiogee410 Жыл бұрын
Your analysis of this show and story, is the very best on youtube. I watch alot of channels about this show, good shows and good people. You are the best of them when it comes to simply explaining what is going on in this story, and I appreciate it. Or, that's what I appreciates about ya
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
thank you so much!
@UZiBLASTER7
@UZiBLASTER7 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been rereading the books and I noticed Allicent’s misunderstanding is exactly what happens when Jon Arryn died. Lysa tells Cat that his last words were “the seed is strong” and “Robert” and she took it as if he was referring to their son Robert Arryn.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
you’re right, I think it was trying to echo that, but it just didn’t come off quite as well
@sAINTDeVille
@sAINTDeVille Жыл бұрын
Seriously and FOREAL! Let me just say THIS about THAT......... I absolutely love your videos! The editing, the opening thematic music, yourself, it's just ughhhhhhhh!! All of it is a thousand pounds of glorious! I look forward to being your sub (not submissive, the other sub ;) FOR LIFE!!!
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
thank you! I'm mostly just being myself but I am also trying to do something a little different than what's on YT
@alyswesthill3562
@alyswesthill3562 Жыл бұрын
The sound accompanying the dagger reminds me of some of the soundscape used for magical/eerie moments north of the wall in GoT. It's that high-pitched, shimmery, icy sound...
@hinakhodiyara7883
@hinakhodiyara7883 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant breakdown of this episode. Thank you :)
@Gaius1021
@Gaius1021 Жыл бұрын
Another banger. I really glad that you have ramped up the output for HotD 😅. Keep hustling and growing, hopefully KZfaq won’t dampen your growth with all the demonization going on with HotD videos.
@Mkat6523
@Mkat6523 Жыл бұрын
I hope paddy considine gets an Emmy for this ep
@bbsugarsmurf19
@bbsugarsmurf19 Жыл бұрын
I love how everyone is calling Aemond, "Great Value Daemon" and "Wal-Mart Daemon", I did like when he asked his nephews if they came to train, it was a ki!
@jamarranthony
@jamarranthony Жыл бұрын
Love these videos my man. The lives are pretty lame for me but I love you have different things for different people on the channel! May you reach 1 million subs and many more Sir Lightbringer
@krishna5084
@krishna5084 Жыл бұрын
The Green faction may have their faults but the whole conflict is because of King Viserys's own wrong decisions. Naming his daughter heir even when he have male heirs available was a bad choice. What was even more bad to expect the whole kingdom to accept illegitimate children as next in line to the throne. The best thing he could have done was to follow the conventions of the past and named his son heir. Even Jaehaerys preferred Baelon to be his heir not princess Rhaenys. The Great council also set the precedent that the crown will pass to the male children of the monarch. By sticking with Rhaenyra, King Viserys brought the realm to an inevitable conflict.
@theph0enix24
@theph0enix24 Жыл бұрын
He did it to atone for killing his wife and love of his life, I feel where he really messed up was taking a new wife and producing heirs to challenge his daughters claim.
@lucymorudu5860
@lucymorudu5860 Жыл бұрын
@@theph0enix24 He kind of had no choice in the matter, he had to take a new wife it was his duty to do so, and in case Rhaenyra dies he must have children in line. and the small council was advising him to do so. He had a choice to choose Laena but he chose Alicent. Even if he chose Laena it wouldn't change anything because his firstborn son with Laena would still be expected to be the heir. And lord corlys will be like otto he would expect his grandson to be king because he's also ambitious and it would be justice for his wife (the queen who never was). No matter how you look at it the next war to come was because Viserys put his emotions and regret about his first wife over the realm. The moment he had a son he was supposed to disinherit Rhaenyra you might not like that but that's a fact. The reason the great council chose him over Rhaenys (the queen who never was) is the same reason most people won't accept her daughter as the queen.
@multimediafan6777
@multimediafan6777 Жыл бұрын
Youre videos kept me sane for years mahnnnnnnnnnn. Ever since your appearance on in deep geek's channel!!! Keep it up man!
@TealWolf26
@TealWolf26 Жыл бұрын
Not only did Vaemond defy the king's authority, he also levied a grave and treasonous insult against the princess and heir's honor in open court. Can't be having that now.
@Heisenberg882
@Heisenberg882 Жыл бұрын
Vaemond never lied, he was a chad.
@TealWolf26
@TealWolf26 Жыл бұрын
@@Heisenberg882 Optics are everything in Westeros as they are in our world. Truth is a luxury and has a fluid definition. Useful "truths" are the coin of the kingdom. But yes, you are quite correct.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
well he did throw in the "whore" thing which was purely an insult, and no, you can't do that
@Aman-wg2wp
@Aman-wg2wp Жыл бұрын
My dad past away last monday and your videos are really good at distracting me from the chaos around this time, thanks 🖤
@AerionTargaryen24
@AerionTargaryen24 Жыл бұрын
Im very sorry for your loss, I wish the best for you and your family.
@Aman-wg2wp
@Aman-wg2wp Жыл бұрын
@@AerionTargaryen24 thank you❤ wishing you well🖤
@LyndAnneCromar
@LyndAnneCromar Жыл бұрын
This is always my go to for an acurrate analysis of HOD thanks!
@Daniella040
@Daniella040 Жыл бұрын
You’re my favorite!! Best house of the dragon content... I want you to release a book 🤩
@doctorajaguar
@doctorajaguar Жыл бұрын
I love Matt Smith! Great video 🖤
@curtiswfranks
@curtiswfranks Жыл бұрын
I am onboard with your critique of Vaemond. I hesitate to say that I am unreservedly so, but I cannot think of any reservations at the moment - I just dislike foreclosing that possibility.
@Dylise
@Dylise Жыл бұрын
Fucking great video dude. I really like when you break down the episode in that 20 minute format like this. I'ts just great. Keep them coming bro! Spiral out. Keep going.
@mr.simonphoenix7181
@mr.simonphoenix7181 Жыл бұрын
Following what has been established in House of the Dragon, I really do not blame Rhaenyra for having bastards, she was forced into a marriage with a man who everyone knew was gay & tried to make the best of it. It was only a matter of time.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
yes it's certainly understandable
@jschoma11
@jschoma11 Жыл бұрын
Vaemond = (Velaryon) Aemond.. who's name is an anagram of Daemon. They're all the rowdy second born sons and just like the Driftmark throne was a trial run for the actual succession of the iron throne..we got a trial run of some Aem on Aem action. In this case it was. dAemon on vAemond violence, with some dAem on Aem tension/foreshadowing sprinkled in.
@ivanacvetanovic7611
@ivanacvetanovic7611 Жыл бұрын
Aemond = Alicent's Daemon. They're both their sides Dragons - that guy that is a loose cannon but also a powerful warrior who will do crazy violent stuff for your cause that you secretly think has to be done but don't want to do yourself (especially because, as a woman and mother, you're not supposed to be like that). But Aemond is in other ways the complete opposite of Daemon. Daemon loves to have fun, he drinks, he used to go to brothels and have different lovers, he loves tournaments and to put on a show and get cheers. Aemond doesn't care about tournaments, and he really doesn't seem like a guy interested in drinking or sleeping around - he is completely focused on training and the upcoming war, and has been for years, having internalized his mother's teaching about his 'duty' more than any of the kids. He's like a mix of Daemon and Alicent in personality. At least in the show, I feel like he has most in common with her of all her children. They both have this long-time "Why should I care about their feelings when no one cares about mine?" simmering rage arising from trauma. The incident in the throne room in 1x07 was the one time when Alicent was the one who showed her rage openly, and violently, while little Aemond played it cool. But as a woman and queen, she is normally the one who represses it and channels it differently.
@jschoma11
@jschoma11 Жыл бұрын
@@ivanacvetanovic7611 I think they're basically the same guy but Daemon is a peace time version. He had to play fight in tournaments and drink and so on for his thrills. Aemond is less interested in those things because he's in the middle of a brewing conflict and wants to be ready.
@TheTruthIsGonnaHurt
@TheTruthIsGonnaHurt Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I thought I was the only one that noticed Helaena covering her ears! (Also diverting her sight.) Without a doubt, she is hearing Vaemond's soul screaming out in strong protest, probably as it was being dragged away forcefully by the Lion of the Night, The Night King, or something else. In respect to diverting her sight, she is the only one of the three children to look away. Yes, it is ghastly sight, so looking away would be normal, but I would argue she could probably "see" Vaemond's soul unwillingly being taken away. That sight scared her enough to look away, and hints that losing his head was only the beginning of Vaemond's misfortunes in the afterlife.
@samgrosky575
@samgrosky575 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure she covered her ears cuz she's on the autism spectrum. Her past scenes and behaviors have pointed to that, and the covering of the ears is common for people on the spectrum that are over stimulated.
@nataliaromao163
@nataliaromao163 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video and explanations as always! I get excited to watch the show then to watch the content here!!! I have just re-watched the ep3 bonfire scene where Viserys talked to Alicent about his dream. The bonfire scene + Alicent’s facial expressions while listening to Viserys’ last ramblings (they were alone and he was clearly delirious so there was no reason for her to “pretend” with fake facial expressions etc) gives me reason to think that MAYBE, just maybe, Alicent really lies to herself and (kind of) believes it (like Viserys never could bring himself in life to disinherited Rhaenyra and “betray” Aemma so he asks her in his final moments to “put things right” in line with his wondering years ago at the bonfire about his dream etc). It’s so convenient to her I think it was just too tempting for her not to buy it. She really lies to herself all the time to justify her own resentments (well if she didn’t she would be resenting her own father and not Rhaenyra after all), her actions and her hypocrisy. This was just credible enough to renew her righteousness after being a bit shaky and guilty after the family diner and the failed “coup” (also her son will obviously make for a horrible king so maybe she needed an extra reason to justify this to herself). Great writing and acting and mimics the premise of the book regarding “many possible truths”. Even as I write this I wonder “hmmm 20 years of actions of Visery’s makes her interpretation of this very unlikely”, but it would make sense for her character (even if deep inside in some hidden space she knows it BS). Within the series I don’t believe she feels her sons in danger if Rhaenyra becomes Queen, no matter what Otto says. She could have married Helaena and Jace and this issue would be over - she chose not to, so protecting her offspring is clearly not priority #1. She wants Rhaenyra to lose something as she feels she’s played by the rules and got nothing in return (“bad” marriage “bad” kids no enjoyment of life at all, also always chasing Otto’s approval), while Rhaenyra got to make her own rules and still get the “big” reward (not to mention love from her father). If Viserys could give Alicent 1% of words to enable her to justify usurping Rhaenyra, she’ll twist it and take it as gospel. But in the end the truth is, as David so clearly has explained, this coup has been in motion for many many years. She progressively assimilated it and is fully in, regardless of what she truly believes about Viserys’ dying wishes or any prophecy crap (she’s religious so she probably believes prophecies are not real or are like the devil’s work). Her possible misunderstanding changes NOTHING but her own “peace of mind”. She didn’t have ANY PROBLEMS AT ALL going against Viserys’ wishes for years (we’ll even earlier in the episode!!!) - she doesn’t care now of course, she just can’t admit to herself that she’s doing this in self interest and a sort of envy and vengeance for an imagined slight from Rhaenyra, so will grab any crumble of excuse she can. Also this keeps her from having to question Otto. She knows she’ll lose control when shit hits the fan and needs to hold on to some justification for all the horror about to come.
@sinthoras1917
@sinthoras1917 Жыл бұрын
Viserys in the show really should have just beheaded Hobert Hightower when he called Aegon "The second of his name", and possibly Otto aswell. Would have prevented a whole host of problems
@pommedeterre3785
@pommedeterre3785 Жыл бұрын
Thank you David
@dannymcelroy7440
@dannymcelroy7440 Жыл бұрын
Excellent review. Thank you my good Ser! You are a true Knight ⚔️
@oglocop4693
@oglocop4693 Жыл бұрын
It seems to me like Daemon killing Vaemond somehow solidified the future in which the war happens and everyone dies. Like it just went from 90% to 100% probable and it caused huge ripples in time that were unbearably loud to Helaena.
@AaronGuest
@AaronGuest Жыл бұрын
Them getting away with taking Aemond's eye guranteed it.
@ivanacvetanovic7611
@ivanacvetanovic7611 Жыл бұрын
@@AaronGuest "Getting away with it" is not how I'd put it - what was supposed to happen? Should Viserys have killed or mutilated a child - his grandson -for something that was basically an accident in a fight between kids that escalated - but I agree that the way Viserys and Rhaenyra acted - as if Aemond losing an eye was not a big deal, as if he had scratched his knee or something, and as if "where did you hear the rumor about Rhaenyra's children?" was the bigger issue (with Viserys immediately turning to questioning him, and not even asking how he felt or trying to comfort him or show concern, and neither Rhaenyra nor her kids saying they are sorry for what happened)... That definitely cauised a lot of simmering rage on Aemond's and Alicent's part (well, rage that exploded on Alicent's part at the time; Aemond was better at playing it cool, but did anyone believe he was OK with it? Of course he wasn't. Who would be?)
@AaronGuest
@AaronGuest Жыл бұрын
@@ivanacvetanovic7611 It was getting away with. Viserys didn't even yell at the kid. In a feudal eye-for-eye world yes he should've taken Luke's eye, maybe that would've saved his life in the long run at Storm's End, and if you think that was too much, he could've disinherited Luke for doing it. The bigger issue was his son who got his eye out, he didn't care about it, he just said apologize to each other. Viserys was a fool as king, and a terrible father. It also wasn't an accident it was deliberate, after they threw dirt at him they could've ran away but they firstly started thefight, secondly pulled a knife out when they started losing, thirdly cut his eye out when he was blinded, thats not an accident. Viserys doing nothing here was the real start of the Dance of Dragons.
@ivanacvetanovic7611
@ivanacvetanovic7611 Жыл бұрын
@@AaronGuest Did you just seriously say that Viserys was a terrible king for not ordering a child to be mutilated and a terrible father for not ordering his grandson to be mutilated?! And no, they don't do that in Westeros. That's insane.
@vKSh87
@vKSh87 Жыл бұрын
Great unbiased plead man (no sarcasm)! I don’t like their choice to try to make it seem like the Hightowers didn’t plan the coup for decades, but that it’s all based on a misinterpretation/misunderstanding. Referring back to a story Viserys told Alicent 20 years ago when he was drunk. It feels like a forced attempt to make them look ‘grey’. Alicent can’t possibly think Viserys is talking about her when he said ‘It is you, you’re the one’.
@cloudzol4623
@cloudzol4623 Жыл бұрын
it isn't "all" based on a misunderstanding, Viserys last words just gives the greens an excuse to rebel without making it look like outright treason.
@jschoma11
@jschoma11 Жыл бұрын
Monday Coupesday Wednesday ..just another week in house Hightower
@CrimsonTemplar2
@CrimsonTemplar2 Жыл бұрын
Great episode & great analysis
@displacerkatsidhe
@displacerkatsidhe Жыл бұрын
So the only thing that didn't make sense was Vaemond wouldn't be next in line anyway. Even by the laws of the Seven Kingdoms. Even if they all agreed that Rhaenrya's sons were bastards, Laena's girls are legitimate, and therefore Baela would be the next in line to Driftmark. Overstepping his great-niece like that. What a jerk.
@lucymorudu5860
@lucymorudu5860 Жыл бұрын
Baela is a Targaryen, which is why Lord corlys said names matter, not blood when his wife suggested he disinherit Rhaenyra's children. so by Law Vaemond is next in line since Leanor has no trueborn children. Everything Vaemond said was true and he knew he was gonna die the moment Daemon said "say it", For him, he would rather die than see a bastard sit on his ancestral sit. Even the idea of his Great-niece marrying a bastard is disgusting to him, You can see the disgust he has for Rhaenyra he calls her a Whore, he also probably thinks Rhaenyra killed his nephew to marry Daemon. Just try to understand a person's place before calling them a jerk. All in all, he was greedy, if blood is all he cared about he would just accept the children to marry but that doesn't make his point wrong.
@displacerkatsidhe
@displacerkatsidhe Жыл бұрын
@@lucymorudu5860 well jokes on him, cause driftmark is still going to pass through a bastard anyway. It's your boi Oakenfist!
@NateJMusic
@NateJMusic Жыл бұрын
I love this guy. Dave I don't comment all the time but over the past 3 weeks I've binged your videos while I'm at work and or working out. People like yourself make me humble myself in public when I profess my love for this franchise/story/fictional world. Many blessings to you and I'd love for your channel to turn into some sort of after discussion show on HBO or something man. Seven blessings to you my bro
@postpunk6947
@postpunk6947 Жыл бұрын
Totally! I remember being socially ostracized when I was growing up. Being a nerd was the object of jokes and contempt at the time. Now times are changing, thanks to people like David!
@NateJMusic
@NateJMusic Жыл бұрын
@@postpunk6947 do you know what's funny, I had the opposite experience growing up. I'm 25, Jamaican, 6'2, 230lbs with Locks. I've always been into sports and working out from a kid BUT in my head like you said I'm a "nerd" 😂 despite the sometimes 'bad' things I did, I was always the big guy in school that would sometimes leave my friendship circle to go debate with the nerds about Animé 😂🤣 People like Dave embody what I always thought was also cool which was to express your fandom over an IP, especially one with such a massive world with rich lore like GOT. Dave reminds me of that super cool history teacher that I could introduce my group to in order to show them that history is dope😅
@kyiwintun4253
@kyiwintun4253 Жыл бұрын
my favourite scene is where Daemond and Aemond had a minor stare down! and Aemond flinched!! Boy! what a scene!!!
@davespainstream9226
@davespainstream9226 Жыл бұрын
Feels like those in charge slipped up with the casting here as the older version of Aegon looks by far "younger" in comparison to his little brother Aemond
@Maya-iz9fx
@Maya-iz9fx Жыл бұрын
Aemond took after his half sister He also wanna ride deamon 🤣
@MaraJadeSkky
@MaraJadeSkky Жыл бұрын
13:15 wow I remember seeing that video when I was a teen and died laughing at it like 17 or so years ago 🤣😱
@gesucastello1986
@gesucastello1986 Жыл бұрын
In Daemond defense I must say he only took half of vaemond head
@ivanacvetanovic7611
@ivanacvetanovic7611 Жыл бұрын
He didn't take any of it, he left it all to the morticians and Silent Sisters :)
@crossroaddragonfly
@crossroaddragonfly Жыл бұрын
So something about the last theory at 19:47 I want to also add something to it. I was re-watching the show and when Alicent went and accidentally cut Rhaenyra, that same sound could be heard. And Rhaenyra could be seen staring at that knife. Yes she is probably scared but also it is almost like she was hearing the song this prophecy was saying. Idk if it was spoken of and if so I do apologize 😅 I think Helena is coded to be ASD. But also I think she may have been hearing the actual sound the Dagger was making.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
interesting! i think i remember someone suggesting something like this… it does seem like a good subtle story writing thing to do!
@handyshroom7786
@handyshroom7786 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Keep going. How am i just now finding you? The algorithm is stupid. You earned a sub 👍🏻
@eddyesdras
@eddyesdras Жыл бұрын
You blew my mind... 😒 Again! Huahaha I didn't notice any of that while watching the episode 😵 that's why I thought It was a weak episode... But now, I'm seeing the brilliance in It, thanks to you as always haha 😌😌
@OctopusWithNoFriends
@OctopusWithNoFriends Жыл бұрын
Thank you, David Lightbringer, SFM for adding in that beautifully edited DRAMATIC CHIPMUNK 🐿️ meemee... (yes I know it's a prairie dog, did you fkn know that? Yeah I fkn did.)
@spicydaddy2526
@spicydaddy2526 Жыл бұрын
the meme editing in this one is so fresh, jeezus
@bethendresen9070
@bethendresen9070 Жыл бұрын
1:04. I've been wanting to join the channel for awhile and that usage seals the deals. LOL
@marisaj2346
@marisaj2346 Жыл бұрын
Covering the ears is not unusual in horror scenes. It’s kind of a trope - screaming in horror of what you see. Also look up the painting “The Scream” - by Klimt.
@pfefferminzpfannkuch
@pfefferminzpfannkuch Жыл бұрын
The scream is by Edvard Munch but I otherwise agree, she is supposed to look very sensitive to this horrific scene and the bloodshed. A Trope which will further make the whole B&C moment that more horrible for her… :‘/
@marisaj2346
@marisaj2346 Жыл бұрын
@@pfefferminzpfannkuch yes, I mix these two often for some reason.
@autje1970
@autje1970 Жыл бұрын
In an interview with episode director Geeta Patel with The Hollywood Reporter she said, "The intention was that she genuinely thought he was telling her that her son was going to be the heir. The only way to get even close to achieving that was to feel the vulnerability and innocence in Alicent"
@seanc411
@seanc411 Жыл бұрын
Ah I’m not a fan of that. I’d much rather her be self interested. Seems they are trying to whitewash her and Rhaenyra. (At least to a point)
@AaronGuest
@AaronGuest Жыл бұрын
@@seanc411 I mean it's kinda weak. Rhaenyra seems like she has no ambition for it in the show, same with Alicent. Tho I would say Rhaenyra is getting whitewashed way more. Also it completely destroyed Alicent's fear of what Rhaenyra would do to her kids if she took the throne last episode, even though it was proven in the episode prior.
@seanc411
@seanc411 Жыл бұрын
@@AaronGuest Yeah I haven’t read the book (yet) but have watched a lot of videos over the years so I know most of the plot I believe. It seems they want Otto/Larys and Daemon to be the instigators and interviews keep pushing Rhaenyra and Alicent as victims, I’m sorry but that is only valid for so long.
@miguelmarques4583
@miguelmarques4583 Жыл бұрын
I am not convinced, it might be insulting to the "innocence" of the character, but on the other hand to believe the contrary would be to insult her intelligence. Often wrong actions are taken after much self deception. She knows her son should not be King, she knows what he is, but still wants to find an excuse. That she is acting on her King and Husbands will, she is not stupid. And even if she was the King wishes were so plain and clear that even a fool could understand what they were.
@autje1970
@autje1970 Жыл бұрын
I think how the show chooses to portray Alicent is as a woman who is the product of the ambition of the terrible men around her. I do believe her own genuineness and innocence in this version of the story. Keep in mind it is an adaptation of VERY thin source material when it comes to characterization of all of the characters in it, penned down by a biased author no less.
@evannesbitt7852
@evannesbitt7852 Жыл бұрын
I assumed when Aemond stepped aside for Helaena and Alicent to move to the back for their safety. I think Aemond might have feelings for Helaena
@AwahKi
@AwahKi Жыл бұрын
Maybe she hears her scream when rat and cheese show up 🤔🤔
@joanlooper2007
@joanlooper2007 Жыл бұрын
Loved the Monty Python intro music.
@juliemarie612
@juliemarie612 Жыл бұрын
I laughed so hard at daemons face at dinner lol
@tiniestavenger6329
@tiniestavenger6329 Жыл бұрын
Same lol when he looks at Aemond and sighs
@kristinecarney8133
@kristinecarney8133 Жыл бұрын
Viserys' death rattle breathing all episode was super hard to watch/hear. The sound was WAAAY to accurate and gave me the hebe-jebes. If you've ever heard it before, it's instantly identifiable and hard to forget. 😬
@DarkKing009
@DarkKing009 Жыл бұрын
The King by law & tradition or the Queen by appointed position. In the end, the king cannot appoint whoever he wishes to be there for the heir. No one is above the law, not even Kings.
@ivanacvetanovic7611
@ivanacvetanovic7611 Жыл бұрын
What law? What tradition? They have no written laws, and their traditions change whenever a king feels like it. By Westerosi tradition of male preference primogeniture, Rhaenys should have had the throne, as a child of the elder brother, not Viserys. No need for a Great Council, which was only convened because they didn't want a woman on the throne, although that rule usually doesn't apply to inheritance of castles and lands. And even if they didn't want a woman, they also passed Laenor, her son. And Baela or Rhaena should inherit Driftmark if Luke and Jace and Joffrey are excluded - not Vaemond.
@Not-Ap
@Not-Ap Жыл бұрын
These are valyrians and not Andals. Jaharys made that clear when passed laws defending Targaryen Incest on the grounds that Andals and Valyrians are not the same. Beside the Andals are conquered people and should be happy Aegon did not recreate valyria in westeros or everyone would be dead or enslaved.
@DarkKing009
@DarkKing009 Жыл бұрын
@@ivanacvetanovic7611 To rule the people of Westero you must honor the Westerosi tradition of male preference primogeniture.
@DarkKing009
@DarkKing009 Жыл бұрын
​@@ivanacvetanovic7611 all good points
@ivanacvetanovic7611
@ivanacvetanovic7611 Жыл бұрын
@@DarkKing009 But Jaehaerys did NOT. By the rules of male preference primogeniture., children of the elder brother are ahead of cihild;ren of the younger brother. Rhaenys before Viserys.
@JoneZ2610
@JoneZ2610 Жыл бұрын
The tension between Aemond and Daemon is building up just as it should. I'm smirking and on the edge of my seat in anticipation for what's to come 😏
@keelobrown4991
@keelobrown4991 Жыл бұрын
Im a firm believer in the Hightower/citadel/faith conspiracy to rid the world of dragons and re establish a status quo with no valyrian overlords in westeros. I believe they poisoned viserys over time, manipulated events to ensure a civil war that would wipe out the dragons and finally, influenced the creation of the coalition between houses stark, baratheon, tully and Arryn (southron ambitions) the same coalition which finally ended the Targaryen dynasty. Even before the show I always saw house Hightower as the illuminati of westeros. An ancient family with deep connections to magic and deeper connections to the major establishments and houses of westeros than anybody ever knew. Even some readers might not know that they’re actually richer than the lannisters and have the largest army in the seven kingdoms. They’re essentially the most powerful and dangerous house in westeros but humble themselves just enough for anybody to ever really take major notice of them. They are basically the noble house version of littlefinger. Having a vast amount of influence and power but appearing as if they dont. Also larys strong is absolutely a green seer, the rats and the weirwood are just dead giveaways.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
he’s not but that’s okay, agree with the rest
@keelobrown4991
@keelobrown4991 Жыл бұрын
@@DavidLightbringer i just want some weirwood magic in this story lol
@sanctuary6689
@sanctuary6689 Жыл бұрын
What if Alicent did understand Viserys and that’s what is motivating her to try the coup again? She’s a Hightower so her family and the maesters are more intertwined than most houses and the citadel. According to the maester thirty the maesters want the magic gone. What if Viserys talking about prophecies to Alicent reinvigorated her because she was reminded that the goal is get the magic out? If she has an adversity to anything magic that would also explain why she feels so disconnected from her daughter, the one who is showing prophetic abilities. So she hears Viserys, understands he’s talking to his daughter and that he truly believes that she needs to rule for some magical reason. She doesn’t know exactly what that reason is, but it’s magic so it’s no good in her eyes. She was ready to let bygones be bygones in order to rekindle her friendship with Rhaenyra but her interacting with Viserys reminded her that the whole kingdom is at steak. I’m not making excuses for the woman. But wouldn’t it be interesting if Viserys changed her heart with his dinner speech and then her mind with his message for his daughter?
@Bluemilk92
@Bluemilk92 Жыл бұрын
The old, scarred king does one last show of might before death. Ala his dragon The Black Dread.
@dreameroutthere
@dreameroutthere Жыл бұрын
Great vid, and I'm 100% onboard for the House of the Dragon stuff. 100,000% on point. Buuuuuut, there was one thing that is off topic. Studio Series 86 Hot Rod. His legs are transformed wrong, and being a TF fan too, the entire video, it was the only thing I could focus on. :P Love the setup btw. Ur' killing' it. Be well, my friend.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
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