I just knew you were going to mention The Ghost Halls. I love that short story, it's beautiful, sad and yet a show of honor among foes. It's just.... One of the thing I loved about Warhammer Fantasy was the many alliances made off many different factions. Eldar Halerquins and Grey Knights side by side would be a terryfing foe to face. It would lead to such a Legolas and Gimli relationship that I would adore, the pride and knowledge of fatalistic eldars that know their deaths will be long and postponed for fear of the Dark Prince, with the duty bound and psycoindoctrinated warriors of Titan, that know no song will be sung, no glory reaped, just duty to their brothers, the people they protect and the galaxy they are trying to save. I can picture this: Fulgrim laughed, a sickeningly sweet noise that bore into the farseer's mind and very soul, a champion of She-Who-Thirst, a thing of list and pride so overwhelming that it almost felt as if it had a gravity to pull her Anima from her soul stone. It was titanic, and diminutive at the same time, and it wa going to do things to her that made her shiver in sheer horror. "Little Eldar, alone, afraid, a rose to be pluck" Fulgrim almost sang the words, smiling with sharp teeth. "Oh, do not fear, little Eldar, you have much yet to endure before metting my Prince. This will not be fast" "Oh, it will, abomination. Faster than the solar winds, than doom from Khaine's own bloody hands. You fall here" "Really, little soul, pretty thing that you are? You think your kind can best me?" "No, but yours can" He laughed, and somewhere, windows broke under the uluating noise. "Mine you say? Tell me, what magnificent host of my dear brother's blue clad buffoons have you summoned? Or it's Leman' angry rabble the one that has come smelling their own asses? Maybe it's Dorn's stone brained rabble? Vulkan's paththic and mewling children? Who? Which of my brother's lineage will I crush this day in offering to my beloved lord? " "None" she said, and then she smiled. Fulgrim arched and eyebrow, before the horizon came alight with blue and white flames. And from the furious blaze of psychic teleporation, came a hundred silver-clad angels, knights of fire and zeal, among them, dancing masked and laughing shadows of death. At the head, shield braced and sword drawn, came the living embodiment of their order. Only did then Fulgrim understood theat the Eldar force he had crushed was the anvil. And now, he beheld the Hammer. And now, he remembered fear.

I actually would like a forbidden romance story between an Imperial Skull Probe and a T'au Drone.

The idea of some harlequins stumbling across a bunch of greyknights well driving to fight some chaos and just telling them to get in is both hilarious and very in character.

I always saw the Grey Knights relationship with Eldar being more like game respecting game and an understanding that they share a common enemy in Chaos hence why'd they give them their spirit stones back that one time

Bro. I was moved to tears when the brother paladin knelt and offered up the soul stones. Like HOLY TERRA I cannot believe how honorable the Grey knights where here.

Grey Knights and Eldar fighting Chaos together makes total sense to me; they’re the most learned factions about Chaos, and they both know it. I’m also a sucker for stories with Humans fighting alongside other Xenos, be it Eldar or T’au and for any which reason, because that’s the core message I like to see in my grim dark Sci-fi Fantasy; yes, shit’s bad, but that’s why we gotta stand together if we want to survive.

I really like it when there’s an alliance between humans and eldar. The dawn of war winter assault expansion had a cool mission for this, even though the alliance only lasted like 30 seconds. Plus, it’s a cool visual style. Seeing the brute industrialism of the imperium fighting beside the elegant eldar is a sight to see. It’s why I like fan art depicting the two.

I like the idea of the best Grey Knights would be the Loyal marines from the Traitor Legions. Their Loyalty to the Emperor and their duty was strong enough to resist not only Chaos, but the influence of their Primarch, which is not an easy thing to do for some legions.

I think it is very good characterisation for the Grey Knights that the one thing they requested in return for their great deed of saving the Eldar soul stones, was for the one who had died to be remembered in the long memories and longer histories of the Eldar. Because the Eldar of course keep a strong oral and written history and live for thousands of years, whilst the Grey Knights are so secretive almost no records of their great deeds are recorded even though many of the imperial worlds they come from probably put a lot of stock in the commemoration of great deeds. A tension that probably vexes their entire knightly order. Like the Men In Black I suppose.

I really love the idea of Grey Knights fighting alongside Eldar, especially the short story "Ghost Halls." They have no quarrel with each other, so they have no reason to fight. And the Grey Knights actually respect the Eldar, to the point of leaving the Eldar almost in utter disbelief at the amount of respect being given to them. It's honestly something I find endearing between the two factions. And the Harlequins just pulling up to a bunch a Grey Knights saying "Get in Mon'Keigh, we're killing Chaos Space Marines" is absolutely hilarious and I love it.

I am a man who enjoys any jolly cooperation, especially in the 41st millenium. While I understand that superstition is a big part of 40k, I truly wish there would be more bromances. In my heart, Grey Knights and Eldar will always have mutual respect like in the excerpts you have mentioned.

Grey Knights fought with the Necrons once, against the Nids. It's in the 7th edition codex. One of the Necrons Lords salutes the Grey Knight Brother Captain at the end of the fight. Pretty sweet.

While not fighting together, ini "Godblight" itwas interesting seeing an eldar's perspective on Grey Knights interrogate a demon

Honestly I’d like to see more cooperation between the Eldar and Imperial forces. With Chaos having ripped the galaxy in half the Eldar and the imperials just look stupid when they fight each other.

This is actually something that makes a crap ton of sense. The grey knights are the imperium's for most daemon killers, and are incredibly knowledgeable about the ins and outs of chaos. They'd absolutely know the origins of slaanesh, and also know that slaanesh's favorite treat is eldar souls, and know that eldar souls empower slaanesh. So it makes a lot of sense for the grey knights would try to keep slaanesh from eating them up, if for no other reason than to keep slaanesh from getting stronger. This opens up the opportunity for A LOT of interesting stories. A lot of "begrudgingly allies" type stuff. Also it's just cool to think about grey knights teaming up with eldar. Grey knight termites charging into battle, shining spears riding through the sky, harlequins dodging and dancing through the hordes , while Dreadknights and guardians duel with the greater daemons in the distance.

Man, I think Grey knight are getting so cool for me now, particularly after playing Chaos Gate. They have this knight feeling and also this Crusader look, there believe in the emperor is more spiritual than Sisters and Black Templers. But Nuns with guns are also pretty bad ass. Great story telling from you.

I get your point, 40k is a lot better with nuance. Grey Knights would be interesting having fight alongside necrons perhaps

"Space marines are mindwiped" Meanwhile in the Deathwatch book all of them talk casually about the Grey Knights out in the open during lunch.

And also the fact that in older 40k times the space Marines chapter / legion would look different from one another but in modern 40k all it takes is to paint them in a different colour no specialty nothing so they all are kinda the same nowadays

I know it's a longshot, but I would love an Eldar/Imperium alliance in the future, at least for a time. take some cues from sigmar and let their population grow a bit.

I think it's super interesting, plus it makes sense. The Eldar are more than willing to do whatever it takes to preserve their species and the Grey Knights are willing to do whatever it takes to fight Chaos. The idea of them allowing is just plain cool, especially given how little (non-violent) interaction there is between the various factions in 40k.

Word bearers and iron warriors should have been the main villains of 40k not the black legion because they are grimdark as hell like they are both chaos undivided sorta with iron warriors and they both do really screwed up things daemonculaba and others things plus word bearers could challenge the imperium faith so like the faith of the emperor vs the faith of the chaos gods and iron warriors could challenge them in their technology plus again they both do really screwed up things like daemonculaba being one of them and i mean abbadon is literally a cheap Horus and he even looks like him so he should have been a secondary villain but no GW had to make him the main baddy

Having allies is the start thing to do. 😂

The months of shame is one of is one of my favorites the fact that the privilege marines and the inquisition tried to killed the space wolfs is just suicidal.

This was a really wholesome story to read. Really shines a light on the Grey Knights honor and their pragmatism. If someone will stand against Chaos with them, they will accept their help, be it human or xeno. 😎

I personally would like for the grey knights to be far more open with xenos, as long as they fight the common enemy of the warp, of hell itself. Personally I wish for more such story's of the grey knights and eldari going absolutely hog wild on warp incursions then a bow and a few words of farewell before departure

Two of my favourite factions, and an interesting interaction between them. The Months of Shame bugged me, The Grey Knights should have put their foot down and told the Inquisitor, politely, that their purpose is fighting chaos not fellow loyal space marines, nor wiping out the baseline humans they are charged, as space marines, to protect. They should have left the Inquisitor to pursue his issue with the Space Wolves on his own. The secrecy element also feels pointless since the Fall of Cadia, with so many survivors from that conflict. Really the Grey Knights should finally reveal themselves to inspire faith against chaos.

Pre-2010/2012 40k lore **was** better. It was the era before the extremely online, grimdark edgelords became the loudest voices in the lore, refusing to accept anything but the grimmest, darkest, most self-destructive storylines and themes. I grew up with 40k in the late 80s/early 90s and it had a distinctly different feel, something more akin to post-apocalyptic retro techno-future that suited it beautifully. Storylines like fighting alongside the enemy of my enemy were totally fine then. Now the loudest, angriest voices refuse to accept anything but themes like the Daemonculaba or the Maraviglia.

I think Arch Inquisitor Kryptman had been escorted to the black library by a great harlequin. I pretty sure I read that in White Dwarf in the late 90's. There were a few other collusions between the inquisition and the eldar referenced around that time

Your pronunciation of "raison d'être" was very good. 9/10

Yes!! I became more excited than a Slaanesh cultist in the pit of pleasure upon seeing a video about the Harlequin. They are frankly one of the most underrated and intriguing factions but very little about them seems to be told. I would love to know more.

i listen to a LOT of warhammer youtubers and i gotta say you are great at finding details ive never heard before, great stuff dude.

Grey Knights: We're not telling anyone about this. Harlequins: Oh we're telling everyone about this, but no one will believe us. Grey Knights: We are fine with this arrangement.

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you know this because lets be honest you heard the stringstorm music- Chrono 2023

The early lore made the universe feel massive and slightly unconnected (which it should). Now the lore feels to uniform and corporate.

This is my first time watching your videos and I like it another Warhammer video added to my favorites 👌

Things I want to see more of in 40k >Craftworld Lugganath, in general. Favorite Craftworld. Underrated. >The Masque of the Fading Stars and their baller white coats >Skitarii Culture and religion (Post apocalyptic, tech worshipping cyborg warbands? Religious, MadMax, Cyberpunk2077!Maelstrom witchdoctor crusaders? Sign me the fuck up!) >Vashtorr and The Dark Mechanicum >More Tzeentch representation in chaos forces >Tzeentchian heretek witchcults (holy shit please I need chatty, manipulative, Mephistophelean daemon engines and cyborg wizards) >Just more mechanicum. They're such a vibe. >Guard regiments from primitive worlds (In particular, I need a regiment specifically pulled from a world in "The Cavalier Era" [i.e: late 1600s to early 1800s, Napoleonic to early Victorian, just before industrialization]. Sort of between Warhammer Fantasy and whatever time period the Mordians are harkening back to.) >Y'know what? More Mordian Iron Guard, in general. They live in eternal twilight and had to defend their world from a demon invasion from all sides while their system was literally being dragged into the warp...and they won. People are sleeping on these guys. >Leagues of Votann. That is all. >GreyKnightsGreyKnightsGreyKnightsGreyKnights >Smallfry psykers (Powerful[ish] human psykers in over their heads/psykers who AREN'T ALSO ALREADY godmen of physical might and mental fortitude who are so impressive in every other way that you barely even notice that they're psychic. Enough of that. More smallfry psykers.) >More Tau politicking (I'd like more stories involving the Tau to spend less time either sucking off or rejecting their ideology and more stories to capitalize on the fact that 40k finally has a capital "A" Alien Empire to do space politics with, instead of just a) space version of fantasy race or b) Tyranidsgonnaeatyouup. We have RoswellGreys, now. Use the RoswellGreys. >Imperial Knights/Knight Worlds (Bring down the hype) >Dangerous and unpredictable, but not wholly malicious non-chaos aligned warp entities (the weirder and more alien the better) >C'tan Shards Honorable mentions go to Sororitas, The Inquisition, the Forces of Slaanesh and Orks. Dig'em a bunch, but I think they get enough attention. So long as we don't see any less of them, I'm happy. (If anything, I wouldn't mind if Slaanesh got a BIIIT more eldritch im their characterization. Go EVEN MORE Hellraiser with it.)

Agreed. The the best story telling is when things are not black and white. The two examples you gave the shades of grey that are the most interesting. I love the Grey Knights working with the Eldar as they share a common foe. That is what made Dawn of War so interesting when we see the Blood Ravens working with the Eldar. Lately, everything that comes of out of Games Workshop is a hammer sadly.

40k back then was more grimdark and was fun , nowadays 40k nowadays lack those things very much there is no more of that here even the new models aren't gothic like damn

It's always cool to see these moments of cooperation, however brief. Here's hoping with the looming threat of the entire setting of 40k now being surrounded by tyranids that are closing in we're gonna see more of that, if not on the tabletop then at least in lore. Aside from the genestealer cults and the nids themselves, every faction's extremely motivated to stop the hungering menace as not even orks or chaos would want to see all life snuffed out (even if the former just wants to keep having someone to fight)

Their very skin is etched with protection spells, also the elder are very instrumental on the end game of the grey knights which is to destroy chaos

Oh, so Ordo Malleus can make deals with xenos but Ordo Xenos can't make deals with daemons to stop actual multi-planet threats. Whoop-dee-doo.

I want to point out that the Space Wolves actually did try diplomacy to save the people of Armageddon from the Inquisition at first, which you all can tell how that went. It speaks alot how serious they are when the Space Wolves try to talk things out first....

Aren't chapter masters allowed to know about the Grey Knights? I'm pretty sure thats how Grimnar knew who and where they were and sent a wolf to get them to fight angron

Sometimes i feel like 40k is just gonna be made to please the masses since GW wants to go mainstream and so will leave their grimdarkness and cooler stories for more acceptable ones which everyone will gulp in because of mass produce

"EYYYOOOMAN! . . ."

This relationship between Grey knights and Eldars is awesome. As much as I hate Grey Knights, I like them here.

The Grey Knights and the Eldar have a very interesting understanding. I firmly believe that the Grey Knights know of the prophesy that the Eldar and Human race have an interwoven fate. Theres cooperation. Tolerance. Even to some degrees, shared respect.

So the Grey Knights and the whole moon of Titan need to be kaboomed

There's a ton of great short stories in what's now the back catalogue of 40K fiction. I'll have to look that one up.

I hope guilliman makes them an open organization now. Or even give them primaris

I don’t understand how total secrecy would help the grey knights. Any demon they “kill” is just banished back to the warp, so it’s not like they can stay hidden from chaos. It honestly feels like another case of grey knight grimderp.

Prepare to be disappointed, gw loves the ultramarines.

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Hmmmmm. There is some fan art in works with this now...

Not the "entire Inquisition" it was one Inquisitor that try to strong arm the Wolves. The GK wasn't also not happy about that but had to follow his order and also made Plans with the other Inquisitors to assassinate Kysnaros (the Lord Inquisitor that startet this shit). Grimnar killed him in the end and Björn showed up and endet this all. The thing was that Kysnaros was not a Member of any Ordo and was also of unknown origin. Also he abused the GK for a Mission that was clearly not their Job and with that entire thing he damaged not only the SW but also the GK and other Imperial forces. So its the question if the damage was intended from a 3rd Party. ;) Idk if retconned but in the older codex versions it was mentioned that the GL and Eldar (beside other Xenos) had some deals. The Tesserakt traps for Demons were provided by the Eldar and other Stuff. They also shared information's and a sort of cabal 2.0 going on. You may look at the first releases of GK, their a a lot mentioned but in the Wiki articles they just stated that their Equipment comes from "... even some alien factions".

mr gouldings short story sounded very much like heresy... havent heard from him for a while, I wonder what hes doing these days...

KITTEN!

Love the clowns and GK... Wishing they both werent horrible in 10th so i could play them and not xenos hunters :-(

It makes no sense for eldar to fight humans, and the imperium knows this

With the new state of the Galaxy I think it would be very cool to have lots of refrences of gray knight activity. But to keep them mystirias still they shouldnt get a new noval or anything well maybe 1, but the gray knights actions should be felt, nothing directly confirmed, but demon princes found dead, hords found defeted, that sort of stuff, told from other prospective and never really knowing who did the deed.

I would like to see some team ups more often. Shake up the dynamic a bit.

I normally have a lot of dislike for the grey knights because of the sisters of battle as a hat thing, But I suppose if they got along with the eldar and in fact retrieved spirit stones for them I have to respect them a little more (even if they like to run around in baby carriers)

Writers weren't riddled with brain rot in the early 2000's, that's why it was better

I like it, except for the part where he mentioned they were from Titan Isn't supposed to be a secret?

"Stuff like this would never be written in the 2020's" But why actually ? Why did we come to such a rigid lore for 40k ? What happened to get to it ? I'm asking because I've been a 40k fan for more than 15 years now and I don't see any problem regarding Grey Knights cooperating with Eldars or other unusual alliances... It just makes the setting a bit more realistic and reliable than just every faction separated from the others without never any compromise.

Nice video How about Leagues of Votann sometimes?

Its more an agreement to return soul stones and stuff😊

oh this... but what about blood angels and necron team

I now want to run an Only War TTG and lead the characters into a doomed mission involving demons then after a few sessions just jump forward a year give a big exp drop reduce their insanity and give them all the corruption resistance trait but not tell them what happened in that year, drop them in a different conflict fighting a different enemy on a different world with a different unit. 🤣and if they ask me what happened say "you don't remember" and if they ask anyone else they don't know.

Hhe Gray Knights have been taking a backseat unfortunately. I still recall them from Dark Crusade.

It's kinda ok about the warbands chaos thing but prehaps could be presented differently. It allows a kinda cannon creation room for players while having solid fluff examples fleshed out to use for marketing and basic gateways into the narrative if it wasn't like this it would either be like how starwars/ star trek universes is constructed (narrative in a setting that self reference repeat) or have litte to no fluff only basics of setting and just basic descriptions of factions.

I feel like Malcador Benning there gean father makes more sense cuz Malcador made them and used himself as there temple

Seriously don't get why people say modern W40K isn't grim dark anymore. Like what? I would say it's the exact opposite. Comically stupid over the top grim derp dark: Univers torn in half? 3 daemon primarchs vs 1 loyal ( soon 4 vs 2), Chaos Space Hulk attack ships, Ynari didn't do anything, Silent King vs G-Man... seriously it's looking absolutely shit for humans! How the hell can someone say it ain't grim dark enough? All you want is just more over the top brutal gory grim derp. I'm starting to think Chaos player are the loudest in the community and are not happy that it's not "evil" enough and humanity still lives, so they cry and wine since years and sadly some of them work at GW and push everything in this way. I also want more nuances but for crying out loud more grim dark would give us the exact opposite!

this is still lore thy would im sure share true names

Why Gray knight must be such a hush-hush secret?

Are you going to do any more videos on the emperor's tarot cards?

I want the lamenters to get a book

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Geneseed from the emperor? Thats custodes. Grey knights are pulled from the chapter elite no?

That's a white scar in the thumbnail, not a grey knight

Gray knights are one of my least favourite factions, but i love this! Kinda wish they showed this vibe more often rather than just brooding murder hobos 😂 awsome vid

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Imo grimdark is best when the characters are humanized, and the brave have hope, while others have given up or become jaded. That's why I like the Guard so much, because the average soldier knows they're most likely going to die, but a good number of them die believing in a better future, one that they are a sacrifice for others to reach. I feel like GW is too busy trying to keep the status quo, and has forgotten to give any hope of success to characters, even if its just a pipe dream. (Ik its GRIMdark, but it can have good characters at the same time while maintaining the 40k vibes)

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I know where it can be found. On Indrid cast youtube videos.

Is it Saturn or Jupiter where the moon of Titan is located?

The earlier 40K were about writing good stories within the 40k universe, expanding it but letting the writers have the ability to develop characters naturally as people first. Recent (5-8 years back) nooks are only about marketing the franchise, with models and events ready to go. Thus, characters have to fit templates and cannot develop past the established basic lore. The writing quality suffers greatly from this.

Dwfinately a good thing for me. Story with depth and dime sion rather than people acting in a prescribed way all the time.

You didn't finish the entire excerpt.

I hate Eldar and Grey Knights. Oddly enough, the Emperor's Gift may be my favourite 40k audiobook of all time...maybe even surpassing Helsreach and Dark Imperium.

Bro, please brink back the Tarot Cards series, Please!

Apparently grey knights are now hunting the rest of the yannari probably going to all be killed off screen. I hate the state of eldar in the current lore they’re like the main background xeno factions now downgraded from the relevance of being a main faction.

NEVER FORGET Basilica of St. Mariel on the Imperial world of Van Horne NEVER FORGIVE

lol imagine making the Eldar relevant in literally any way, sorry bro they're in timeout since bringing back G-Man, see you in 7-10 years for yet more stories of galactic desolation and irrelevance

Not a big fan of gray knights. Chaos doesn't get any cool characters (that are still alive/cool) so having traitors go back to the imperium so they can bee "cool" gray knights is just an insult.

New lore is ass. You would do well to ignore anything that came out in the last five years.