Kenny is close dawg don’t sleep

maybe the goat of educating casuals. But if you truly understand the game his channel just scratches the surface of basketball.

@@brendankamikawaji2562 no he’s not the only time he talks about the NBA is on Kenny4real and it’s not as in depth as Jimmy’s videos

*Mike Korzemba enters chat*

Fr

BETTER!!!!!

Wayyy better dude! It's just wow!

Wao! That’s an explosive analytical opinion. Damn RIGHT!!

Fr😂😂

It's why I dont bother watching Espn...

Dude you’re English lexicon is better than most people who speak English as a first language.

@@Katagatamekiller "It appears that my poor grasp of the English language has resulted in me needing to hear simple and succinct statements regarding the GOAT debate for the sport of Basketball." - Foreigner with better English than native English speakers

​@@KatagatamekillerExactly 😂

Yeah, I thought the same 👍🏼

​@@777wrathand then says "sorry for my bad english"

Sorry, someone made a 30 minute video more in depth about this same type of stuff 4 years ago. MJ vs lebron goat debate so this reminded me of a copy and paste video honestly

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@@user-us2fq3mp5bthe issue is it was made 4 years ago

@@user-us2fq3mp5bvideo name?

For as well made as this video is he leaves out one of the most important metric in this debate and that is level of competition. Glaring mistake in my opinion - you can actually see the difference when you look at the footage. Anyone connected to sports, youth sports knows that coaching is constantly getting better, the pipeline for finding and developing young talent is getting better, and given the money and opportunity that goes along the NBA (credit to MJ for that) the talent, skills, and ability of each new generation of players just gets better and better. LeBron has had to play against much better competition. LeBron had had to continually develop his game and he has which is why his overall value and numbers have remained high, while MJ’s numbers declined. Michael was the ultimate competitor, but LeBron is the greatest player of all time. Think about this if you need more proof - how many times did MJ defend a Center? LeBron’s ability, even into his late thirties, to play all five positions, to guard any player on the court including Centers is not something MJ could do. Another important metric left out of this video and the GOAT debate IMHO. Loved MJ, but LeBron has surpassed him, and that is great for the game.

Wow you saw a 15 minute video in 7 minutes!

I watched the whole video and it still says 6 mins ago. You just need to refresh

@@elgin_gibbins bro jus got caught in his lie😂😂he jus want the likes like damn bro watch the full video and learn first.

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Exactly but I think we can all agree the goat is Tyler Herro

Game recognizes game

@@chandlerrodgers5415 West also didn’t think Magic would be a good point guard in the nba tbf

@@ki11acam_23 are you really trying to discredit jerry west

@@dkmrap1 is the statement true or not true?

@@jeromegarner7196 doesnt mea anything. q 6'9 pg was unprecedented

Dude if it feels like the video is dragging on than that’s not good.

Yea that’s not a compliment saying it felt longer than what it was but I get what you’re trying to say

@@A5AP_SWEATSHIRT I think he’s trying to say in terms of the amount of content and the amazing formatting of it, not that it dragged on, I guess more so that he was “able to fit 4 hours of content in a 15 minute video” is one way you could interpret it

For real 😂😂

u tripping fym it felt like 4 hours?? it felt like 15 mins

J Mendez Magic took His team to the Finals His rookie yr, started at center, won final's MVP, Kareem didn't play cause He was hurt. And your acting like Lebron losing is impressive. Jordan early in His career faced more top 50 legends than any current player. And when He faced them He dropped record numbers like 63pts vs The Celtics (The Champs) in 86'. Lebron is only relevant cause the league is watered down.

@@SwaggerLikeUz u acting like magic carried the lakers through the whole playoffs by hisself with a roster full of bums. kareem in the playoffs before getting hurt was putting 32 pts 12 rebounds 3 asts along with 3 blocks. no one is saying lebron losing is impressive but are talking about how he brought a team full of make a wish kids to the finals. The argument about how jordan faced more top 50 players is ain’t really effective since none of these current players really faced any top 50 players. Not only that the 63 pts jordan dropped against the celtics ended up in a loss. now i’m not saying it’s not impressive but if you arguing about lebron’s 2007 run not being impressive since he loss in the finals, then you can say the same about the 63 pts which are both dumb. saying lebron is only relevant cause he plays in a “watered down league” is retarded. so going against the dynasty warriors dynasty spurs big 3 celtics bulls led by mvp d rose just to name a few is watered down. come on now pls tell me how the league is watered down. Edit: forgot to say how he had to go against the orlando magic led by superstar dwight howard who was winning 3 straight dpoys and the detroit pistons who at the time were contenders

@@SwaggerLikeUz bro just hating at this point 😭, they both the goats. One dominated the most talented basketball era ever, the other won every final he was playing so stop being a child

@@SwaggerLikeUz imagine being this mad that someone complemented lebron. Grow up bruh.

was a weak East.

Here's the thing though. Labrons last seasons are close to his peak seasons. He now scores like 2pts less per game to his career highs. The guy is insane for playing at such a high level at 39. Strangely, Jordan retired at 40, joining the NBA after 3 years in college and retired twice before his final retirement.

Stats are meaningless because they didn’t play against the same players. There’s no controlled variable

Jordan on the Wiz was a DAWG. Go back and check out those games before his injury in the first season.

This makes no sense. Then you should exclude wizards years as well for MJ lol. Again, this is just you stanning hard and panicking. Be fair when you want to exclude years. You can sort advance stats yourself anyways on tons of sites btw

@@MrGigglios First 15 seasons played. MJ's 14th and 15th were his 14th and 15th like LeBron's were his 14th and 15th, he just had a 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, 21st... After 15 seasons, MJ was a slightly better scorer. James had a better overall record, more assists/game, more rebounds/game, and twice as many triple doubles. In terms of advanced stats, James had a higher points/shot attempt, higher points/replacement, etc. Still see a slight edge for Jordan in a number of fronts, but you have to look at LeBron's first 15 against Jordan's first 15 as these would inevitably be better than later years. Put another way, each additional year usually brings down the average a bit. Certainly was and would've been the case for Jordan. He chose to retire earlier to have higher average but less total volume for his numbers. His call. Our debate.

That’s kinda how I see it, too. Also, unlike most sports, the powers that be in the NBA have never been shy about changing rules to try and make the game more interesting. The game reinvents itself all the time. A style of play (or player) who dominates in one era might be far more (or less) effective if he played 10 or 20 years before or after he actually did. The NBA is so different in 2024 than it was in 1994. Or even 2004. Or 2014.

Well said. But I still do get stuck on championships as a requirement to be the 'greatest'. To never lose a finals and never have one go to a game 7 is, to me, definitive. Bill Russell is Jordan's equal in this regard, for his rings and for his dominance over all-timer Wilt Chamberlain. Jordan overcame the NBA's all-time assist leader and a very good, very deep and well-coached Utah Jazz team. Missing from this video is an analysis of post-season metrics.

⁠​⁠@@pressvinyl4420That’s the thing, everyone can be surpassed in some aspect. Bill Russell is not equal to Jordan in terms of rings, he’s way past him lol

@@pressvinyl4420Different era cant be compared

what song is this 13;50

@Frank P nah fr cuz like why don’t they watch basketball😂

And that is exactly how I got into basketball. Thank you jimmy

@@retrogaming2899 neither do I. I’m European, so the time difference makes it hard. And I’m a football fan, but love these videos

@@SimonGr8 ah that makes sense you should just watch re runs or something but I understand

that last minute gave me chills

Bron plays no def and when he does he taking the easiest assignments. These mind bending feats hes talking about is coming off of being a liability on the def end

I don't agree with how he described their careers, writing subjectively like that you can make either look better and I think he made Lebron look better. Realistically you could have formulated those last 2 minutes to favor MJ's narrative by just phrasing it differently. Example : Jordan was drafted on a terrible team with crack smokers, but weathered the storm of the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers to take the torch and become the dynasty that nobody could match, he had to retire to give other people the chance to win a ring. Lebron on the other side was drafted to a similarly terrible team, but he escaped the grind and formed 3 super teams whilst 4 rings in more tries.

When lebron gets 6 we can talk... just cause you score points dont make you the greatest

@@splitrivet8956 team sport bozo

Okay but it leaves out two important metrics - level of competition (LeBron has had much tougher competition), and overall versatility - ability to play all five positions - clear advantage to LeBron on both, and then add in the fact that he is a much better person - husband, father, teammate, ambassador for the game and for standing up for important issues outside the game, well you know how I feel about this question.

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This video was fucking trash!! It added nothing to the overall debate/discussion. It was JUST as bad as the ESPN and Undisputed takes, everybody do yourself a favor and check out uncut hoops video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i92ddKh8qc6ro58.html

Same

Never!

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@@karlhungus2590 stop lyin to ya self😁

Slightly better . You must not check Mj stats

It can't unfortunately. He's loss too much

Plus mj retired early

This is such an easy way out of the GOAT debate, you're side-stepping it and not engaging with the topic at hand. Just because the GOAT debate is difficult due to differences over different time period, doesn't mean it's impossible nor does it mean the debate is invalid.

@@aldrichemrys he’s right there were way different rules in Jordan’s era the lebrons era for example illegal defense this was a rule that made it strictly man to man there was only one defender in your way another person couldn’t leave his guy to help out that was illegal defense now imagine if lebron only had to blow pass one person

@@aldrichemrys skill set has changed the era of superteams have changed and rules are getting more different as it goes on

@@IHateStroads Exactly, hockey is really the only sport with an “undisputed” GOAT. Even then some believe it would be Mario Lemeiux for similar reasons. Shorter career, injuries, but shined very bright when they were there.

Let me guess. You agree with his opinion. What a shocker

Bro Look at the Video by DANGERProductions I like that one even better

@@jsgr5382 You’re silly fam. It’s almost like you didn’t actually read the comment

Lebron and Jordan are equal. It depends on their teammates. Lebrons value grows as his teammates are worse. Jordan is the opposite.

@@theotherview1716 they are not equal. Jordan is better he can fit in more systems. You can plug him into any situation and they will have some form of success and his production won’t fluctuate.

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Yo bro don't google your name 😂😂

Makes me realize that Michael Jordan is the Usain Bolt of the NBA and LeBron is the Eliud Kipchoge. Both are masters of their thing, Michael at a fast unbeatable career at the fastest level, LeBron at sustained excellence. I’ve been done with the GOAT debates since Kobe passed, I’ve learned to just appreciate the greatness we get to watch live while it’s happening instead of fighting and reducing one side or the other.

@@SoDakZak well said brother

it's the music for me

Jesus Christ is the truth reach out

My fault

nah we love the game. jimmy just researches wat we wont take the time too. he doesnt change the way i see the game he just spits facts.

Get Jimmy’s jimmy out of your jaw bro goddamn😹 nigga said “ king jimmy “😹

@@zjclipz8525 You a real 1 man✌️

I like them both, they’ll always be at the top for me. Plumbers, Mickey Mouse ring, Soft, needed Pippen. I don’t care at this point, you can’t doubt they’re both the best at what they do

You weren’t already subbed? Shame on you.

Jk. Btw.

YOU WEREN’T ALREADY SUBBED?

You weren’t already subbed???

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Well, he's called the white mamba for a reason

Factual statement.

You should check out legend of winning too, he’s pretty informative on basketball

You've never watched thinking basketball then.

I don't really get why he doesn't have more subs, he definitely deserves more.

same for you youre the goat of posting highlights

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Game recognize game. Goat x Goat shit right here.

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Top 5 is an exaggeration

All sports improve every decade.

I highly suggest you watch this video then, it's more in-depth then this hogwash tbh. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i92ddKh8qc6ro58.html

He’s done videos on the most difficult championships, which correlates to the Era’s topic you mentioned.

If all of that is put into perspective then kobe is the greatest

Exactly, ultimately there are things that will forever haunt LeBron's GOAT debate regardless of what stats he finishes with. 1. His meltdown against Dallas. 2. Having a LOSING record in the finals - yes this matters and don't give me he faced a super team take since LeBron created multiple super teams and Harden did more against said super team. I mean thank God for the fake bubble championship which jmx has placed as one of the easiest championships of all time otherwise.... 3. He ran and created multiple super teams to stack the deck. 4. LeBron's longevity is great but modern medicine/diet and rule changes and scheduling helped out with that a lot. 5. LeBron's scoring while great would not be as high without the 3 sec rule, just imagine if all his career a Gorbert or Giannis or Embiid could just wait in the paint as long as they want for LeBron to drive. 6. LeBron's offense might be great in year 19 but his defense is terrible, he is basically stat padding at this point. 7. LeBron is about to miss the playoffs with a super team he built AND with the affordance of a play in tournament when he is supposedly still in his prime and a top 10 player. 8. Free throw shooting and other holes/intangibles in is game like not having a killer instinct.

Can’t wait for another “sent into the shadow realm” video

He did and he said again mj is the goat

Never done with the 90s! 80s & 90s were TOUGH! I’ve seen most of the greats play live and I’ve never seen anyone better than MJ if you take everything in consideration! I don’t care if LBJ gets 10 rings, if I’m starting a team MJ is #1 period! And I’ll say again, you all should be ashamed for not mentioning Kobe

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kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtJjoLVnytWpkWw.html Far better video on the same topic

Facts

@@asyetundetermined thanks, I'll watch it

if thats your first time then you're spoiled my friend. you found the best nba content there is period. just watch the videos

@@youngerudit2524 😵‍💫🥱🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Lebron is by far the GOAT.. Jordan played for a long ass time.. 18 or 19 years. He only made all NBA 11 times Jordan spent half of his career losing year after year after year in the very first round And wasn’t even making the all NBA list until he got Scottie pippen this guy is literally bringing up “advanced stats” like PER boban marjonovic has the highest PER of all time those advanced stats are useless You could be efficient in 10 minutes and have super high advanced stats Real stats matter Like points per game, assists per game, blocks, rebounds All that random shit like PER and VORP are for nerdy analytics guys. Analytics ruin the nba lol. They use like fractions and try to determine the best player by advanced metrics that aren’t even real life. Boban has the best advanced stats that exist And teams don’t even want him. Jordan played till he was 39. Lebrons 38. Jordan entered the league at 20 Lebron entered at 18. In Jordan’s era zone defense wasn’t even allowed Everyone had to be “man covered” one on one. Zone defense is what ALL teams use today and is far superior, guys like lebron and Giannis could score 59 a game back then with man defense. Zone defense became allowed after shaq Because the rules Jordan played with made shaq too OP Shaquille O’Neal made the NBA allow a bunch of other forms of defense. Because nobody could one on one stop Shaquille O’Neal And they’ve stayed ever since. Dudes like lebron, Giannis and shaq would have even better numbers than they do if they played with the same rules as Jordan, and wilt and magic and all those guys. That’s something nobody talks about. You had to man check. Then shaq came and there was literally no way to stop him so they changed the rules. The NBA changes the rules FOR Jordan to make it easier for him. And they changed the rules for shaq to make it harder for him. That’s why I think shaq is a top 4 player all time. Lebron would’ve been the same way. Unstoppable, Lebron is better than Jordan by far and has better stats and is just overall greater he’s the goat

@@youngerudit2524 Yeah bro I like what he's putting down here. And I will stay tuned in. Thanks.

@@Bandofthehawk00 just no... if all ppl on the planet has to choose wich player u want to watch... 99% would watch jordan again instead of lebron... thats a fact and thats the reason why he is the goat... in 100 years, every man, child, woman on the planet will know michael jordan... for sure. the influence that he have is untouchable and he was the best basketball player by far... longevity doesnt beat killer instinct and influence!

agreed

not chips but records, if he keeps shattering records like the most point scored or maybe another mvp, bron will undoubtedly be the GOAT

@@arvinathallah8330 no he needs chips.

@@jobin140 Then you have the problem that it took him longer to get those titles too. Just like @7:38 you could make the argument that MJ played less seasons, and play against better player which is why he has less All-NBA selections.

Why am I seeing you everywhere now?

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Tbf how do we hold it against lebron for being so good for so long? Like shouldnt that contribute majorly to whos more great. Not really fair to criticize someone for not retiring after 13 years and not having 6 rings. Like you want them to just give up?

@@calebreeve4397 No.. if so then Kareem is the GOAT.

He just needs to pass Kareem tbh

@@ferchango6359 Kareem averaged 14 ppg in his 19th season lebron is averaging 30….

Lol ok (without blinking)

@@MultiSneakerLover it was strangely worded. I will take the L

@@Tkokat don't worry about him, he's trying to gatekeep basketball lol. I also never cared about basketball, but Jimmy's videos and editing has me hookeddd

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

The goat was on the boat

He's great doing this. Fk journalism

lol makes bank from these videos. what makes him not journalist at this point? lmao

Lol he's making 5x what he would make doing journalism

This video was fucking trash!! It added nothing to the overall debate/discussion. It was JUST as bad as the ESPN and Undisputed takes, everybody do yourself a favor and check out uncut hoops video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i92ddKh8qc6ro58.html

Same take here

@@quentin8330 thank you, Quentin ✌️

It's your opinion. My opinion for the GOAT is LBJ....so meaning, there should be no argument of who's the GOAT in the NBA because the argument of who's the GOAT is SUBJECTIVE. . . .

@@ericjohnorenciada5062 that’s why I said “but FOR ME it will always be MJ”.

Yep. This is a good video about this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtJjoLVnytWpkWw.html

theres a reason hes called black jesus, because he was like a demigod, i want ja morant to be that mythical as well but noone every exceeds mj, and he wasnt even trying to beat records by padding.

I think it’s because he was the first player who reached that magnitude. The new guy will be compared to the older guy. But I get what you’re saying because the conversation is “how can LeBron reach MJ in [insert career accolade in here].”

MJ has the aura of a winner, he's got the kind of personality that only the likes of Maradona have. The kind of rare people that will never lose a final if they are put in that position they will make sure they win.

Leadership

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Put some respek on my boy Mamba

Bald Mamba Vs White Mamba

@@franz4044 Bald Mamba vs White Mamba vs Red Mamba

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Too many assumptions. For example assuming the Bulls couldn't have won a 4th straight when he retired the first time after MJ finished those finals averaging 41ppg. Stick to the facts and not assuptions. You wanna see a great breakdown? Watch "Jordan vs Lebron, The Best GOAT Comparison". Strictly based on facts, not assumptions.

@@luisvergara6502 did you watch last dance ??

A future? Bro he's already doing it lol.

@@TheWancer Yes, what about it?

One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no KZfaqr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear matt

Couldn't of said it better. I truly enjoy these videos.

It’s very simple. Jordan was more clutch and a better scorer Lebron is a better at everything else and makes his teams better A few additional things. When Jordan retired the first time the bulls still won 50 plus games without him and almost made the finals except for one bad call vs the Knicks Meantime when Lebron left the cavs twice they went from 60 wins to 19 after he left. So he was Personally responsible for 40 more wins. Thts insane Lebrons legacy is hurt with the spurs and mavs loss in the finals however the warrior team that won 70 games and Lebron beat is by far a much better team than any teams Jordan faced in the finals In conclusion. For one game. U take Jordan. For a season u take Lebron and if u think Kobe is on the level of these two guys u should be banned from ever talking about basketball

The "accolades" of dpoy etc. Is a shit argument because those are popularity contests and LeBron has been snubbed on numerous occasions in order to protect Jordan's legacy its glaringly obvious 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@@pepironi992 I agree, Lebron played against the 2 best teams in NBA history... Spurs and Warriors, If Jordan faced a team even half as good as those two, his career wouldve been extremely diferent.

@@IHateStroads jordan wouldve won it a 6th and 7th time in 92 and 93 he led the league in scoring and steals but the media didn't want him to get it either so that point is gone

This video lacks nuance and context. U can't talk about who's the best when they played in different eras. Least U can do is compare their eras and the competition they faced to win rings. Lebron has clearly played in the most skilled era and faced some of the greatest NBA dynasties ever assembled. MJ won 10 scoring title in his era, scoring more than 30 ppg in his prime. Lebron has only 1, maybe 2 this season. That's how Jxmy presented his stats in this video. But it's apple to oranges: Would MJ win 10 scoring titles in an era with Harden, KD, Kobe, Steph ??? Would MJ win has many rings in an era with Kobe & Shaq? Spurs Dynasty? Warriors Dynasty ? Big 3 Celtics ? MJ had similar Dynasties when he came to the league but couldn't beat them: Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers until they got old. Also Jxmy shows a graphs of their stats where MJ has 15 seasons and Lebron 18 seasons, completely irrelevant and pointless since Lebron has played more season...? All this to bring longevity? Lebron will be the all time scoring leader in less seasons and less games AND less figure attempts than Kareem. This is the context you need to bring when u do comparisons. Otherwise u resume everything to numbers and it's meaningless; u can make ur first NBA finals win and retire with the best numbers to have the greatest numbers ever. Compare the players era, their talent, their competition AND the stats.

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Except lebron didn’t retire for 3 years and came into the nba way earlier so he played way more minutes lmao

Ugh. It's not ur fault @Vinsent Keefer. But I can already see where this is going

@@yahiakamel2747 not Lebron’s fault that he didn’t have a gambling addiction

@@yahiakamel2747 and how is that relevant to what he said?

Is your Russ picture ironic?

Imo this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i92ddKh8qc6ro58.html is overall better and more in depth, it's worth checking out.

completely agree. a masterpiece

@@brandonbuller2471 naw mate that video was trash and added NOTHIN to the discussion. Go check out Uncut Hoops video, now that's a in-depth and a must watch tbh.

@@CreamPieSundays bruh just give it up bro

@@TheNegationist naw I can't mate, people need a real in-depth video. The maker shit on ESPN while giving the SAME EXACT talking points. At least UnCut hoops gives you a REAL IN-DEPTH video, this shit was under garbage.

LeBron only won 1 finals (16 and god damn that was great to watch) as the underdog. And you can’t blame Jordan for not being the underdog because he won as the overdog hard to win as the underdog when you’re too good to be the underdog

He ignored several important aspects. This is the best Goat debate video where actual research was done Jordan vs Lebron - The Best GOAT Comparison kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtJjoLVnytWpkWw.html DANGERProductions

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Unbiased haha stop bro

I feel cause Micheal Jordan has Jordan brand people see him as more of a goat subconsciously

@@brandonyo5718 No, if you were around when he played you would realise he's the GOAT. The only one's who consider the failure that is Lebron James the GOAT are people who never existed when Jordan played. How a player who has only won 4 championships in 19 seasons can be considered even top 5 is hilarious

I’m Australian and I hundred percent agree. I discover a lot of people who still don’t know who Lebron James is. On the other hand I’ve never met anyone who hasn’t heard of Michael Jordan.

@@TimAfterDinner it’s either cap or they genuinely don’t know nba or follow it even a little bit. When you talk about nba, you will almost always start the convo with mj and bron. People will almost always talk bout mj or bron. The two icons

@@TimAfterDinner Cap, I always met people who had no clue of who Micheal Jordan was.

@@forest7420 what’s cap mean? I only know it as short hand for Cappuccino.

All good, google has taught me it means bullshit. No cap from my comment, just based off my experience. When further questioned people they usually correctly guess Lebron has something to do with basketball, very few have no clue who he is. But it isn’t automatic how people I have met know Mj.

Yeah he had that special aura. It's hard to quantify and I'm a big science and numbers guy. But there was something about him. You just couldn't bet against him. I think that also contributed to his almost mythical status. We as humans love the supernatural, the non explainable, the mysterious and mythical. Jordan somehow encapsulates all of that. Kobe was the only one who came close to that since then but he had too many human flaws and also as a player. But since Kobe did came close to it his death felt so surreal. Because he also appeared larger than life. LeBron is special but he just doesn't have that aura. He always looks and feels beatable somehow.

Part of what makes MJ the goat in my eyes was his character. People want to compare stats, attributes, athletic ability and championships. No one ever compares their character. Lebron self-proclaiming himself as the goat ends the debate real quick for me, personally.

Lebron the goat IMO Bc he can last so long and can still be a top 10-5 player

@@iliketurtles7782 MJ was top 10 in scoring and won 32 of the 60 games he played in when he was 38/39. He had kwame Brown and Ty Lue to work with that season. A much younger Kobe proved that's not an easy task. LeBron was 36/37 this season. MJ was also trending upward after starting slow from not playing professionally and entering the MVP race before getting hurt. After the slow start, he was averaging almost 30 before getting hurt. He was 9th in the league in scoring and climbing. His first year in Washington is overlooked because he started slow and got injured and he fell off the next year when he was 40. But for those 60 games he took a bad team to a winning record. So despite what Jimmy has no evidence for, there's actual proof he would've won on a bad team. Considering he actually did it... 2 years older than LeBron was this season at that.

@Zoo Keeper you don’t even think he’s top 10…

I was genuinely sad when I looked down and saw there was only one minute left I wanted this to be a 40 min doc

@@KCJbomberFTW same

Jesus Christ is the truth reach out

Like begger

@Wow 🅥 Jesus Christ is the truth reach out

@@ElegyVio fake sky man 😭

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Lebron needs to get reincarnated and do better than MJ to be the GOAT

for me its the killer mentality, win or die trying... thats the 1 thing missing in lebron.

Last time I checked the best team ever with the best winning record was GSW, so now curry is the goat? Or does LeBron become the goat for stopping the best team?

​@@c.i.j.5457did gsw 3peated twice? Did Curry win every final he was in? Well there you've your answer. No.

@@c.i.j.5457best winning record and lost the finals? Are you trying to embarrass yourself?

@@highvoltage1842 well to me it just seems that you guys don’t see the difference between a unstoppable team and an unstoppable player 😂 MJ bot bounced in the first round 3 times and even got swept twice, here you call him unstoppable? 🤥 Let’s not forget he got eliminated from the playoffs without reaching the finals 6 years in a row 🫢 Meanwhile LeBron ( in his 4th season) took the cavs to the finals with the other members of his starting 5 being, zyndrunas ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes and Eric Snow. He then returned to the finals in 2011 and stayed there for another 7 years in a row. Different teams, GMs & Coaches but he kept coming back, meaning he is an unstoppable player. Jordan never made it to the finals with a bad team, he was just lucky his GM and Coach helped building an unstoppable team around him.

Really? You never thought about that? That is a key factor in why Lebron is the goat in my opinion. He is the greatest pure basketball player of all time. Yes Jordan could score better, but that’s one piece of being a basketball player.

Bruh how

Bruh what

@@ZroBangerz what about defense though, you have to take that into account as well

@@Thomson07 lebron isnt bad on defense, if he wanted to he prolly could of got a couple of dpoys but towards the end of the miami stint he got lazy on d. jordan didnt have to guard the best player on the opposing team for all 6 of his rings lebron is normally always guarding the best opposing player. another argument for the defensive side of basketball is that the players are just getting better and harder to guard, theres not many people that find new ways to defend people but theres always new offensive moves and ways to look at offense popping up

Thats why he isn’t.

@@chickenwing43 😭 you're not wrong

Well for starters i doubt ESPN would hire a guy to do 15 minutes of goat debate. I doubt they'd hire a guy to do 15 SECONDS of goat debate. Just yell out lebron's the goat for 30 seconds then go to commercial

@@212mochaman bro every day they dedicate 5 to 10 mins debating the goat. what espn are you watching???

@@theconman5540 I'm not. Lesson learnt

Agreed. Kobe has no real GOAT case but his death has skyrocketed his legacy to the point where ignorance has made people believe he is. No disrespect to him though. 🐍

Facts and having a well thought out debate online with stranger is almost non existent so the nuance makes even stating a stance contentious to say the least unfortunately

kobe is the goat, period

If lebron wins another chip it will be a 50/50 on the Jordan lebron debate, but that’s if he wins again

This is t he truest comment I’ve ever seen

I honestly, kindheartedly hope we will never do. What would be the fun in life then

Your goat played bums kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sLV-qbB80K_Up3U.html

That's what steroids will do for an aging athlete 🙄

@@jamesmitchell3615 facts

Eventually there will come a player that surpasses jordan records are meant to be broken

Well said

I can't consider a player to become a "GOAT" who can't shoot FT to tie or to win the ballgames for so many times.....

@@franciscohubahib540 u talkin abt MJ or Lebron? MJ free throw percentages are better than Hebron and Also mj rarely flopped for free throws. Hope ur not talking abt him

Gretzky imo is the only true GOAT of his sport, and now maybe Brady. I find basketball so hard to figure out who the goat is, there is so many players with insane skill levels. As for baseball, Ruth played 100 years ago, I don’t think he’s the greatest ever as players have gotten better and better, but I don’t know who.

@@jaycob1830 ?? Baseball?

@@civilwarrior2801 ?

Jordan was ass at baseball??