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The History of Catalonia

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History With Hilbert

History With Hilbert

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Interested in why many Catalans consider themselves apart from wider Spanish society and want an independent state? Perhaps finding out about their history is key.
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@fumarc4501
@fumarc4501 6 жыл бұрын
I learned much of this when I visited Barcelona. The people were so proud of their language and independent government. While I felt I had wasted boning up on my Spanish, it was fascinating to learn about Catalan and its origins. Truly a beautiful city and rich in culture and history.
@georgeesteve4827
@georgeesteve4827 6 жыл бұрын
Video: “Catalonian” Me: **deep inhale** Catalan
@Velkan1396
@Velkan1396 4 жыл бұрын
Hshssh sempre
@arnaurosellcanet3946
@arnaurosellcanet3946 4 жыл бұрын
Esq "catalonians" és horrible 😅
@NerdRivera
@NerdRivera 4 жыл бұрын
@@arnaurosellcanet3946 in Portuguese we call you guys "catalãos" I'd argue that's worse
@sarvolar
@sarvolar 3 жыл бұрын
English: Catalan Spanish: Catalán Catalan: Catalá Basque: KATALANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@karl-arnal
@karl-arnal 3 жыл бұрын
Catalonian sounds great, what is the problem? You guys have to complain about everything?
@mikenkmike
@mikenkmike 6 жыл бұрын
War of Spanish Succession is wrong. Austrians and Hapsburg are the same. It was Hapsburg (Austrian) vs. Bourbon (French) successors.
@thebenevolentsun6575
@thebenevolentsun6575 Жыл бұрын
Habsburgs are just the dynasty that ruled those lands. Austrians are people that speak Austrian. It just so happens that the Austrians were ruled by Habsburgs.
@forzaacmilan36
@forzaacmilan36 9 ай бұрын
@@thebenevolentsun6575 There’s no such language called Austrian, you can’t speak Austrian
@Issaaam5
@Issaaam5 7 ай бұрын
In Austria speak German 😂
@Josergr
@Josergr Ай бұрын
@@thebenevolentsun6575 austrias in Spanish that’s is the name of that dinasty in Spanish
@thebenevolentsun6575
@thebenevolentsun6575 Ай бұрын
@@forzaacmilan36 Yeah my bad
@youcanthandlethetruth8873
@youcanthandlethetruth8873 6 жыл бұрын
And Portugal is just watching like.. Wtf is Spain up to this time.
@youcanthandlethetruth8873
@youcanthandlethetruth8873 6 жыл бұрын
+MinSeop Leem I live in Belgium, mate.
@minseopleem7458
@minseopleem7458 6 жыл бұрын
lampo the raptor Oh okay. How is the separatist movement in Flanders going then?
@youcanthandlethetruth8873
@youcanthandlethetruth8873 6 жыл бұрын
+MinSeop Leem Weak. They are just a bunch of idiots.
@aitortilla5128
@aitortilla5128 6 жыл бұрын
+lampo the raptor Interesting...some Spanish think that about Catalan' nationalists, not me. And some Catalan' nationalists think the same about Spanish people.
@smilingmiura6515
@smilingmiura6515 6 жыл бұрын
As a Portuguese I'd say it's more of a "Oh Caralho, not this again..."
@Chaika1974
@Chaika1974 6 жыл бұрын
a video without netherlands and it's anthem playing is not a true vid of Hillbert
@aalmi002
@aalmi002 6 жыл бұрын
Dolan Duk what a funny meme.
@Chaika1974
@Chaika1974 6 жыл бұрын
PalmyrabalI Fuk off
@nataliapoklonskaya2085
@nataliapoklonskaya2085 6 жыл бұрын
PalmyrabalI Hi bby ly
@Chaika1974
@Chaika1974 6 жыл бұрын
Dutch Games Sorry, i don't speak German :/
@Phoenix_VideoX
@Phoenix_VideoX 6 жыл бұрын
Dolan Duk Its dutch
@carmen47freixas96
@carmen47freixas96 2 жыл бұрын
As per my name, one can see that I am Catalana, I was born there, my mother tongue was Catalan, then Spanish was my second language when I started school, age 4, home was always Catalan, school, we had French and Italian lessons, (which are cousin languages) then age 14, we moved to Australia, English came into the picture, later marrying a Aussie born Greek background, that came into my life, all this happened before I was 20. I spoke Catalan to my mum and dad, till their passing, about 62 years, now at 75 I am able to speak all of them, but I only write Catalan, Spanish and English.
@sojunikkyu
@sojunikkyu 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not a historian and I'm probably biased, but there are some things I would like to say: · Hispania was the name Romans gave to the Iberian Peninsula. They divided this territory in several provinces (from two at the beginning to five at the end). It’s probably better to just say it’s a geographical term, not a pollitical one. · You’re skipping the Fall of the Roman Empire, the Germanic domination and the Muslim invasion. I think they are worth mentioning, since it answers why Christian Kingdoms ended organizing this way. · When the Muslims invaded the Iberian Peninsula, the Christians began fighting them by establishing small kingdoms in the north that started expanding southward. Portugal, Leon, Castile, Navarre, Aragon and Catalonia are some of these kingdoms. By marriage, some of these kingdoms began to unite, Castile and Leon for one side and Aragon and Catalonia for another. Although Castile and Leon were completely fused, that’s not the same for Aragon and Catalonia, since they worked more or less as a confederation, different kingdoms with the same king. When they conquered the Balearic Islands and Valencia, they added these two kingdoms to this confederation they called the Crown of Aragon (although neither Aragon nor Catalonia had a dominant position). · And you missed the Balearic Islands in your map, just saying. · The flag for Aragon and Catalonia are mostly the same, since it’s the flag of the King and they had the same king (it's four horizontal stripes on a field of gold). · The marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella functioned mostly the same way than with Catalonia and Aragon: two kingdoms (well, one for Castille and Leon and four for Aragon, but two kingdoms is easier) with the same king. It’s not one country, instead different countries with the same ruler (if you look it this way it makes all the wars of this period easier to understand ). In the following years, parts of Italy, the Netherlands, Germany or America were added to the Spanish Empire. · The flag of Spain doesn’t appear until the 18th century, and the Coat of Arms until the 1970s. · The War of the Spanish Succession is less a conflict between Castile and Aragon or two kings than two opposite visions of how Spain should be ruled: the France way (absolutist, centralised) or the Austrian way (more de-centralised and respectful with the local laws and customs). There were Borbonists (supporters of France) and Austriacists (supporters of Austria) on all parts of the country, more Borbonists than Austriacists in Castille and the other way around in Aragon. It’s recorded and notorious that one of the battle cries in the Siege of Barcelona was ‘For Spain’. Their vision of Spain, of course. In the end, the France way won. · September 11th is not ‘La Diada Nacional’ is just ‘La Diada’, more or less ‘THE Day’. · Again, careful with the flags. The white one with a red 'X' represented the Habsburg, in this period the rulers were Bourbon. The ‘Catalan’ one is not the official one, it represents the will for independence and it doesn’t appear until the 20th century (inspired by Cuba's independence in 1898). · The Catalan Nationalist movement appears at mid-late 19th century. · At the beginning of the 20th century there’s a brief period of semi-autonomy in Catalonia, until the dictatorship of Primo de Rivera in 1923. · The dictatorship (and the Monarchy) ended when republican parties won the 1931 local elections and the Republic was declared in Barcelona and Madrid. This Catalan Republic lasted for three days (literally), until it joined the Second Spanish Republic. The man in the photo is Francesc Macià, the president of the ephemeral Catalan Republic and later the president of the autonomous region of Catalonia. · Again, careful with the flags. You mixed the Coat of Arms of the King in the Spanish Republican flag. Not cool. · It would be cooler if you showed the evolution of the Civil War through the years, not only a static map. And there was bombardment of Barcelona (by Mussolini’s italian planes), but no siege. In 1939 Franco occupied the remnants of Catalonia in three weeks. · Good work here with the Spanish flag, the one with the bird is the right one. ·It’s a bit strange that you cut your video at the end of Franco’s Dictatorship, since it was forty years ago and a lot of things have happened: - Spain transitioned into a democracy and in 1979 got a new Constitution. - Most of the judges, policemen and civil servants from the Dictatorship strangely kept their jobs. - Catalonia got again his autonomy status, but another sixteen regions of Spain did the same, diluting its self-government. Its status is recorded in the Statute of Autonomy (more or less like a mini-Constitution, the highest law of the region just below the Constitution). Spain joined the EU in 1986. - In the 2000s, after a long time slowly gaining more powers, Catalan parties sought a new Statute to further expand and protect these powers. They finished their work in 2005 and in 2006 was substantially reduced by the Spanish Parliament and reluctantly approved in referendum by the Catalan people. - In 2006 this Statute was challenged at the Constitutional Court, which ruled in 2010 against the Statute and further reduced its powers. A huge demonstration was held in Barcelona on July 10th 2010 protesting against the ruling and claiming for independence. Now it was not only a matter of money or language, but a matter of pride and respect. - In 2011 a new pro-independence organization was born. They have pushed for independence and organized a huge demonstration on September 11th for five years. - The Spanish government has systematically declined to acknowledge any petition from the Catalan government, even the smaller ones. Sorry for the long post. Here’s a Politico article www.politico.eu/article/catalonia-referendum-independence-timeline-how-did-we-get-here/ that covers the last ten years in Catalonia and how the claim for independence has grown. Very good.
@mikeroch8550
@mikeroch8550 6 жыл бұрын
u expect me to read all that? Bruh i literally stopped a "i would like to say"
@sojunikkyu
@sojunikkyu 6 жыл бұрын
Good heavens, no! It's just a long rant nitpicking on a quite well researched video on a topic I happen to have more information. It's not worth the effort, don't bother.
@FelixHdez
@FelixHdez 6 жыл бұрын
Lou Roo Wtf dude I would want independence if all spaniards were like this
@augustus4832
@augustus4832 6 жыл бұрын
Nah, realmente es lo que ha pasado. Está claro que se podría hablar también de como los partidos nacionalistas han sido también de gran peso durante la mayor parte de la democracia en Madrid y han sido parte importante de los momentos clave de la mayor parte de las reformas de un signo u otro. Igual de los problemas que hubo con los recortes en la crisis que hizo CiU y su relación curiosa con el movimiento de indignados. También se ha saltado a Companys, las Guerras Carlistas, las protestas en Barcelona, huelgas y sus bombardeo en el S.XIX, entra otras muchas cosas. Es decir, que lo que ha dicho no está mal, pero se siguen ignorando muchas cosas. El independentismo desde un punto histórico claramente no se puede explicar en un comentario de YT ni en un vídeo de 8 minutos y medio.
@louroo5197
@louroo5197 6 жыл бұрын
Felipe Hdez look just to simplyfy things and clarify something that the video doesn't explain. Spain has been cracking down on corruption in its government for the last years (not very quickly nor efficiently) and guess what the most corrupt munucipality is catalonia, as the central government is investigating them in the generalitat (the catalonian regional gov) has started to panic and is trying to save its ass from jail plus losing control of the generalitar by gaining independece. And the reason that they have given catalonians that they want to leave spain is because we are the corrupt people and government that steals money of theirs. If you wish to learn more about the falacies of this independence just read some spanish press
@jordinagel1184
@jordinagel1184 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, the regions of Spain that were under Aragonese rule still bear its red and yellow stripes upon their modern flags (Aragon proper, Catalonia, Valencia, the Balearic islands), making for a group of very sinilar-looking flags in a country whose regions otherwise have very different designs for theirs. Also, Catalan is supposedly the language closest to the vulgar Latin spoken in Iberia in the days of the Romans.
@AP-ib7rf
@AP-ib7rf Жыл бұрын
this was the most interesting comment on this video. thank you.
@leytovera8551
@leytovera8551 10 ай бұрын
Aragón it's the original and actual kingdom. :)
@almendroverde
@almendroverde 8 ай бұрын
@@leytovera8551 What do you mean?
@TroyDaboi2005
@TroyDaboi2005 8 ай бұрын
@@almendroverde i think he is referring to the kingdom of aragon, as they controlled catalonia and valencia in around the 1300's aswell as sardinia and sicily
@Ocell728
@Ocell728 6 ай бұрын
@@TroyDaboi2005 It was not the Kingdom of Aragon, but the Crown of Aragon. This Crown was named after its first kingdom, but it was led most of the time by the Principality of Catalonia as the most populated and prosperous entity, and Catalan was the language that expanded with the conquest of new kingdoms (Valencia, Mallorca), while the Aragonese language, due to demographic reasons, did not go beyond the Kingdom of Aragon.
@damianlee2073
@damianlee2073 6 жыл бұрын
You would almost think Hilbert is dutch or something😂
@PalkkiTT
@PalkkiTT 3 жыл бұрын
Where is he from and why would you think he is dutch?
@eeshaanshukla6673
@eeshaanshukla6673 3 жыл бұрын
@@PalkkiTT 2:54
@richardayton6862
@richardayton6862 3 жыл бұрын
He sounds like he’s from Sunderland, but suppressing his accent for the purpose of speaking more clearly
@Markvdl25
@Markvdl25 6 жыл бұрын
Have a bit of a problem with the notion of Catalonia being singularily opposed to the Spanish crown in the Spanish Succession War. The resistance was more a thing among the nobility who were afraid of losing their privileges. Not about a notion of being Catalonian.
@enkidugarcia5821
@enkidugarcia5821 5 жыл бұрын
Spain wasn't exist at that time.
@kompo1012
@kompo1012 4 жыл бұрын
@@enkidugarcia5821 To what government did basque country and catalonia pay taxes to and whose military they joined?
@8ymat
@8ymat 4 жыл бұрын
*Catalan
@Ocell728
@Ocell728 6 ай бұрын
That's a typical problem in Spanish historiography: when someone revolts it is the fault of the evil elites and when we find a testimony of unity it reflects a general feeling... Actually the opposition to the Bourbons was common among all classes and was the population of Barcelona the one that urged the Junta dels Braços to declare the defense at all costs. The same with the War of the Reapers in 1640, among Spanish it is said that it was the Catalan elites who deceived the people, but it was the authorities of the Hispanic Monarchy and the presence of their mercenaries in Catalonia that encouraged both the elites and the Catalan people to the rebellion.
@Angelarju
@Angelarju 4 ай бұрын
@@enkidugarcia5821 ... Lies... Of course Spain DID EXIST...
@TheRobRok
@TheRobRok 6 жыл бұрын
Great video but there are two thinks that i want to coment. -The people from catalonia are catalans, not catalonians. -Ur flag isnt the `estelada´ (the one you show in the video) its the `senyera´ . The `estelada´ its a flag that represents the separatist movement and was created in 1918.
@kenobiwar
@kenobiwar 6 жыл бұрын
PowersXD estalada-ilegal,igual que vosotros,que poco os queda jajajajaja😂😂
@NA-ws3iw
@NA-ws3iw 6 жыл бұрын
Freedom for Catalonia Efectivamente nos queda poco en España
@juanlulourido548
@juanlulourido548 6 жыл бұрын
Nuria Anay con el 37% de SI os quereis ir no? Que democratico...
@guillemmoreno5522
@guillemmoreno5522 6 жыл бұрын
Nacho Torre la estelada no es ilegal.
@erikcummings3125
@erikcummings3125 6 жыл бұрын
People from Catalonia are Spanish, because they are apart of Spain. Obey your masters
@darthguilder1923
@darthguilder1923 6 жыл бұрын
Catalonia: I want to hold a referendum Spain: isn't that illegal? Catalonia: *I will make it legal*
@SirClifty
@SirClifty 6 жыл бұрын
It's more like: Catalan: the people want to leave Spain, as is democratic, we should hold a referendum. Spain: no Years later.... Catalan: please, this problem isn't going away. Spain: no Years later..... Catalan: this serious we need to hold a referendum, the people are angry. Spain: no Catalan: fine we're holding a referendum. Spain: no you aren't and if you do we'll stop you and even if you somehow succeed, we won't regard it as a legal vote anyway. Fuck democracy. Catalan *holds referendum* Spain *beats the shit out of those involved.*
@SINNOMBRE-ck2wr
@SINNOMBRE-ck2wr 6 жыл бұрын
Darth Guilder And the best part of that is that we offered them negotiation and dialogue, but they refused and continued this illegal referendum. There were some people that even voted up to 5 times, people from Madrid and tourists voted "no" to this refetenfum. There wasnt any control at all and they're still stuck on the idea that the referendum was legal
@eduardlockfeixas7859
@eduardlockfeixas7859 6 жыл бұрын
Spain never offered them negotiation and dialogue, it was the other way around. Spain never wanted to negotiate anything. It's not like the Spanish really know how to talk, their own anthem has no lyrics.
@marky1312
@marky1312 6 жыл бұрын
exactly!!!!!!
@SINNOMBRE-ck2wr
@SINNOMBRE-ck2wr 6 жыл бұрын
Eduard Lock We DID offer negotiation and dialogue. You gotta be up to date before commenting..
@wood7206
@wood7206 6 жыл бұрын
Spain clearly belongs to the Dutch. Long live the Hapsburg jaw.
@jamm6_514
@jamm6_514 6 жыл бұрын
and no one cares filthy spaniards, graças á deus que nossos ancestrais de portugal conseguiram ficar independentes
@GAndreC
@GAndreC 6 жыл бұрын
And they achieved that by kneeling in front of the Normans at waist level and moving their head back and forth repeatedly and thanks to Napoleon interferance in Hispania
@barraman.
@barraman. 6 жыл бұрын
Wood :s
@tonigym3061
@tonigym3061 6 жыл бұрын
You mean Nederland belongs to the spanish, right?
@wood7206
@wood7206 6 жыл бұрын
No, that is a widespread misconception my friend. It was never "Spanish Netherlands." It was actually Netherlands' Spain
@travisthecancerpill3403
@travisthecancerpill3403 5 жыл бұрын
You went through the Spanish civil war without discussing the CNT-FAI? You briefly mentioned it for at about 6:15 but it was almost entirely glossed over.
@javier6877
@javier6877 6 жыл бұрын
6:20 That´s not actually true, though Catalan was banned from official and public matters of the nation, it could be spoken and you could still read from it. It was repressed in the sence that it was not allowed to be thought or to be used by the local goverment but there was never a law that arrested a catalan speaker if he/she was speaking to a friend and a policeman heard them. The opresion of the language was more on a institutional level than a local one.
@guillemmoreno5522
@guillemmoreno5522 6 жыл бұрын
Yes and no. The repression diminished over the years, but Catalan was indeed banned in public during the early years of Franco's dictatorship, and all books and plays had to be in pre-Fabrian ortography at first too. However, Catalan always remained banned in schools and in most business.
@theobazuin7470
@theobazuin7470 4 жыл бұрын
That's why in busses you've had signs that said "forbidden to speak catalan"...
@aitanafinestrat4369
@aitanafinestrat4369 6 жыл бұрын
It is a good video, but the History is much more complex than that. For example, in the Middle Ages the Corona de Aragon (Crown of Aragon) was actually born thanks to a marriage between the main ruler of the Barcelona County and the doughter of the king of Aragon. It was a pact, a marriage. Besides, the Catalans were not united as a kingdom (they lived in several counties: Barcelona, Girona, Urgell...) and they were not under the power of Aragon "being permitted to preserve their language and customs". And of course as you well know, they are not the only ones who lived this History and the repression (generally speaking). There is a lot of things to consider here. But good job trying to do the summary haha it is no easy job ;)
@HistoryTime
@HistoryTime 6 жыл бұрын
Very nice mate. Topical. Love it.
@hispanouruguayo
@hispanouruguayo 6 жыл бұрын
it would be nice if people of other countries don't exclude the islands from our territory... canary and balearic islands also existe xD You used a wrong flag to show the union of the kingdoms. The first flag was Cross of Burgundy (more or less Florida's flag nowadays). You also explain wrongly the fight between the borbon and austria's supporters, it was not between aragon and the rest, it was between people inside all the territories, saying that it was between territories is like saying that civil war was between territories, completely wrong. You also mixed Cross of Burgundy with estelada... wrong, both flags are from different times.
@prigual
@prigual 6 жыл бұрын
During the he Spanish civil war, Madrid standed for several years
@PisauraXTX
@PisauraXTX 6 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the anarchist territories in Catalonia and Aragon in the late 1930s? They only got half a sentence in this one and it is incredibly hard to find information on them.
@andydavis3075
@andydavis3075 6 жыл бұрын
Matze Lvithn Yes, it was a very successful anarchist revolution and actually the only one the succeeded, the ones in Ukraine had trouble collecting food, but I still like govt/businesses.
@themechanictangerine4337
@themechanictangerine4337 6 жыл бұрын
Matze Lvithn spain is one of britains most important economic partners, so you would alienate 80% of your clients in favor of the other 20%. I hope you never get to be your country's finance minister, the UK will be ruined in a couple of weeks
@ItsCronk
@ItsCronk 6 жыл бұрын
Homage to catalonia!
@nejcfabcic2903
@nejcfabcic2903 5 жыл бұрын
@@themechanictangerine4337 The hell? How is that connected to what they were asking for?
@alwayschanging5821
@alwayschanging5821 5 жыл бұрын
@@andydavis3075 imagine a modern version of this but with the technology we have today, they could create indoor aeroponic farms and increase food production by way more than even necessary. Once robots become the main force of labor, these societies will be even more viable. I hope we can realize this in the future
@aformalevent
@aformalevent 6 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear more about how the history relates to the current situation. Great content, thanks!
@marcriquelmesaez9829
@marcriquelmesaez9829 Жыл бұрын
To sumarise, the Spanish-Nazi regim won, freedom is now dead.
@Prometosermejor
@Prometosermejor 6 жыл бұрын
You have to be careful with the flags you are using. The flag with the star is not official and called "estelada" which means "with star". It is literally a copy of the cuban flag, so it was not used until late 19 century. Therefore you made a mistake. Navarra was incorporated AFTER, Granada, not before. You said confusing. Philip V of the Bourbon House was accepted king of all Spain, but then Catalonia switch sides for the Habsbourg Charles. The 1640 events were important on that change. AGG the flags! Change them, they are almost all wrong. Catalonia was NEVER independent in the 20 century. They declare the independence in 1934 and lasted for 8h. The independence was not even a true independence because they said they were within the "Iberian Federation". Another mistake. Calonia was taken in february 1939 quite fast after the Ebro Battle of late 1938. There was no bombardement. Even the nacionalist troops were saluted (It is common to take winners side AFTER the war, just to be safe). You should have spoken about the civil war within the republicans in Catalonia. Calonia has now in 2017 more freedom, rights and self goberment than in 1931-39. For example, before the 1-O, Catalonia has more self goberment than Scotland. It is just false that Catalan languaje is not accepted.
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 6 жыл бұрын
I used the more independence-inclined Estelada so as not to confuse people with the Senyera which I used for Aragon. Outside of Catalonia and Spain, the Blue Estelada is a much more commonly recognised symbol of Catalonia than the Senyera. If you're interested I explain this in another video where I talk about why I did it this way round in this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j5mHY9FyrMexlaM.html Technically then they did go independent even if it was for very little time, they just decided to hedge their bets on being part of the autonomous regions in the new Spanish Republic. I think there demonstrably was a bombardment of Barcelona en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Barcelona
@aitortilla5128
@aitortilla5128 6 жыл бұрын
About the language. There are Spanish laws that defend the use of the languages spoken in Spanish territory: Catalan, Valenciano, Euskera, Gallego...Those languages are co-official along with the Spanish language. I'm from Valencia and I can speak it and nobody will fine me or arrest me, the same goes with the Catalan in Catalonia.
@teseucamps4832
@teseucamps4832 4 жыл бұрын
@@historywithhilbert146 bravo, well said
@hyperion3145
@hyperion3145 5 жыл бұрын
I always thought that the demonym for people that come from Catalonia was “Catalan”, “Catalonian” just sounds weird.
@Velkan1396
@Velkan1396 4 жыл бұрын
You're correct. Most people get it wrong
@Daniel-xh6tv
@Daniel-xh6tv 3 жыл бұрын
I'm spanish, and here they're called "catalan", so it's correct I suppose xd
@thelifecoachforme8044
@thelifecoachforme8044 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the information. I am a Creole American American, I meat a Man in Barcelona that I am interested in. He is Catalan. This interaction was the first time hearing about the Catalan people. I want to respect who he is...
@aldarionloma1020
@aldarionloma1020 6 жыл бұрын
You have a problem with "succession war" in Spain, please read more about this
@pau9553
@pau9553 6 жыл бұрын
I de cop, un comentari català XD
@allutrolli9933
@allutrolli9933 4 жыл бұрын
Jajajaja
@yeethawkes3895
@yeethawkes3895 3 жыл бұрын
Visca catalunya
@albavellozo6035
@albavellozo6035 7 ай бұрын
My mum is Catalan. When she was young franco was still about and she said she remembers not being allowed to go to the toilet in primary school because she didn’t how to say it in Spanish and had to wet herself 😢
@jojolafrite9265
@jojolafrite9265 3 ай бұрын
🤡🤣🤣
@PBEAR-ki6wo
@PBEAR-ki6wo 6 жыл бұрын
I love Spain, I have basque and galician roots , long live to Spain
@michaelcooper4010
@michaelcooper4010 5 жыл бұрын
P. BEAR long live spain means you have little to no Basque roots
@derrengui
@derrengui 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelcooper4010 why exactly is that? Blas de Lezo was Basque and Spanish, Unamuno was Basque and Spanish, the king of Navarra and navarrese (basques) troops fought in the battle of Navas de Tolosa, the famous requetes who fought for Franco were mainly Basques and Navarrese who spoke little to no Spanish... Educate yourself before stating things like that, too many basques have died for Spain for you to say that because of ETA which is a very recent thing in history
@vpuri_kachapuri
@vpuri_kachapuri 16 күн бұрын
Nice
@luitzor6551
@luitzor6551 6 жыл бұрын
As catalan I have to say that your pronunciation is awesome, but one thing that I have to say is that our oficial flag is ne one with just 4 red stripes and 5 yellow. In any case that video is really good!
@pepajimenez8376
@pepajimenez8376 6 жыл бұрын
7:13 sorry but not true at all, as a spaniard and a valencian (we speak valencian which is practically catalan) in Spain we dont mind that catalans have their own language, basques have theirs, galicians too...I have never met anyone, and I know very right wing, independence-opposed people, who wants catalans to speak only spanish. The truth is, thanks to some catalan politicians, it's more the other way round. In Catalonia you can be fined if the name of your business is not in catalan. Children in public schools cannot choose spanish as their first language, even though it is the mother tongue of 50 per cent of the population. It's easy to judge from the outside, especially seeing what happened on Sunday, but things are not black and white.
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, but many feel differently about that which is what I said :) Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Valencian a dialect of Catalan or a Catalan-influenced dialect of Spanish? Or would you consider it its own language entirely? Just curious :)
@pepajimenez8376
@pepajimenez8376 6 жыл бұрын
History With Hilbert yes but my point is it's not many, just a minority of extremists as there are in every country. As for valencian, its origin is very uncertain, some believe it was created from a language called "romance" and influenced by arabs and later by catalans. Others think it's just catalan, but in Valencia it has been called that way for around 800 years. What is certain is that it doesn't come from Spanish as it originated in Castilla around the same time. I guess it's the same as portuguese and galician.
@raquel300
@raquel300 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, I'm from near Valencia! (what a coincidence I guess)
@hepi822
@hepi822 6 жыл бұрын
They have been allowed to speak Catalan, to teach it at school, to have the business signs in Catalan and to teach in Catalan at the universities. What more could they want. I believe this video proves that they are part of Spain and that the same people that conquered Spain in history are the ones that conquered Catalonia. Why do they think they are different? I agree with Pepa, we allow those languages we have, I think 5 different languages in Spain, each with its own grammar, therefore making them official languages and they are allowed to be spoken. It is actually our diversity which we embrace.
@AlbertBalbastreMorte
@AlbertBalbastreMorte 6 жыл бұрын
And hence why Catalan is frowned upon
@podemosurss8316
@podemosurss8316 6 жыл бұрын
2:28 Not really. It was more of a dynastic union than other thing. The kingdoms had their own laws, taxation, official language, police... Also that flag is official since 1843, and was designed in the 1740s.
@themuslump
@themuslump 7 ай бұрын
KURDİSTAN❤CATALONİA
@fatimamehr4826
@fatimamehr4826 Жыл бұрын
Love Catalonia! ❤
@NICKOCHOA2002
@NICKOCHOA2002 2 жыл бұрын
As a non independentist catalan I have to say that the video is quite objective, however it has some errors, like using the independentist flag (the one with blue and the star and created in the XX century) the whole video when talking about Catalonia and not the Senyera which is the official flag.
@vpuri_kachapuri
@vpuri_kachapuri 16 күн бұрын
Nice
@mariog.1911
@mariog.1911 6 жыл бұрын
Feels like a good basic explanation but fails hard on many details. Catalonia was never a self governed kingdom, and the language they speak did never define a nation. You can find other regions in Spain that used very similar variations of latin to Catalan, such as Valencia and Balearic Islands. In fact, because of this language connection, some catalan independentists claim those regions should also be part of what they call "Paisos Catalans" which is a complete nonsense without any historical support (and also refused by the inhabitants of the other regions). Something you also didn't mention is that Catalonian people voted in favor of a constitutional referendum in 1978, which defined them as an autonomous region, gave Catalan the same level of importance as Castillian (Spanish) in their region, and a level of self government no other european region (except some other Spanish ones) can compare to. This same constitution that was voted back then stated that this country model could not be undone unless it was voted by the whole country, which is the main point now. The very basic reason why some Catalonians want independence is because it has become a wealthier region in average. They believe separating from the rest of Spain will increase their income since they won't have to share it with lower income regions. It's not about self government, freedom, democracy or language, since that's all more than guaranteed.
@BListHistory
@BListHistory 6 жыл бұрын
Hilbert coming in clutch with those well-timed videos that double his subscriber count
@panasiia2221
@panasiia2221 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Would've loved if you went into the CNT-FAI though.
@ryaneftink7364
@ryaneftink7364 6 жыл бұрын
Dank Memer Screamers They tried to anarchy, but Franco said no, and killed them all. The End.
@johnkilmartin5101
@johnkilmartin5101 6 жыл бұрын
I would also like to see a video on the CNT-FAI. It was always my understanding that it was the Stalinists not Franco that crushed them.
@cabellones
@cabellones 6 жыл бұрын
the same reason bolshevicks crush makhno ... they don't like copetition
@luitzor6551
@luitzor6551 6 жыл бұрын
I have to say that actually there was a successful anarchyst revolt where they took control of the streets and many businesses in Catalonia, until uncle Franco came to kill everyone.
@sm117EH
@sm117EH 6 жыл бұрын
the stalinists killed them and they did the same thing with the communists of the P.O.U.M.
@zucchin934
@zucchin934 6 жыл бұрын
i'm a simple man, i see wilhelmus, i like
@deadcrow9046
@deadcrow9046 Жыл бұрын
As a Scot who strives for independence, long live Catalonia!
@YonelCerimoniós
@YonelCerimoniós Жыл бұрын
As a Valencian who strives for the independence, of the Països Catalans, long live Scotland!
@vpuri_kachapuri
@vpuri_kachapuri 16 күн бұрын
You cant say It loudly or you Will be beaten by the police
@philipocarroll
@philipocarroll 6 жыл бұрын
By "this man" you mean Lluís Companys. You found his picture, you might as well say who he was. Also I think the section on the Spanish Civil War needs to be expanded somewhat.
@johanbdln
@johanbdln 6 жыл бұрын
"This man" ( 4:58 ) was Francesc Macià, a Liutenant of the Spanish Army that was contrary to the attacks of the Spanish army to Catalan satirical newspaper (Cu-Cut!) and the neighboring newsroom of a normal newspaper close to the first (La veu de Catalunya / The voice of Catalonia), as a form of complaint he enrolled in a catalanist party to go as candidate to the elections for parliament of Spain. In order to punish him, the Spanish state sent him to Cantabria meanwhile he was there was elected as member of the Spanish Parliament. First he was monarchist but because the politics applied by the monarchic governments during the Spanish Restorationn he transitioned from monarchism to federal republicanism and later on to independentism/confederalism, he founded several political organizations during his life, the most notorious the party "Estat Català" (Catalan State party). He tried in 1923 during the Dictatorship of Primo the Rivera a popular-military uprising but a Mussolini spy Ricciotti Garibaldi Jr (grandson of Giuseppe Garibaldi) leaked the details of the uprising to the Spanish government and was quickly disarticulated by the French Gendarmerie. Francesc Macià went into exile and returned 1 month after the fall of the dictature of Primo de Rivera and founded with the party "Estat Català" and other parties the party "Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya" (currently in catalan government in coalition with a party born from "Unió Democràtica de Catalunya" decades ago). The 14th April of 1931 he proclaimed the Republic of Catalonia inside a confederation with the other republics of Spain. But the provisional government of the Spanish Republic went to talk with him and other catalan politicians and made him to withdraw the proclamation of the catalan republic to grant him the command of a catalan institution that was eliminated in 1714 after the war of succesion, the Generalitat. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesc_Macià
@Robertreus92
@Robertreus92 5 жыл бұрын
@@johanbdln Massive!!
@migmiggul
@migmiggul 6 жыл бұрын
Please go ahead and make the second video, I would love to hear the perspective of an outsider that is not influenced by the current political situation...not a sarcastic comment by the way, I really would like to know.
@BListHistory
@BListHistory 6 жыл бұрын
American here. Before this almost nobody knew about it. I did have a friend who kept a Catalon flag in her room for a while. Most people I know who heard about it yesterday or today are siding with Catalonia because of Spanish police suppressing the vote. We're seeing all the pictures of people hurt by rubber bullets
@lilwang2
@lilwang2 6 жыл бұрын
I'm Australian but I've been to the Catalonia bit of Spain. Most people you talk to seem to be keen to want Independence, there are Catalan flags everywhere and most signs are in Spanish and Catalan. They are net losing tax money as well and i could see how that might be a bit harder to swallow when its to not the most healthy state in the world.Also Spain might try and keep them out of the EU- then again all they'd have to do is up beer tax and make all the money back on drunk English tourists.
@janebennett8097
@janebennett8097 6 жыл бұрын
agree
@Original_Tenshi_Chan
@Original_Tenshi_Chan 6 жыл бұрын
As a Sicilian, I very much side with the people of Catalonia. We share a similar history of being stormed and conquered, then suppressed. When Italy claimed our country, they all but outlawed our language, and today, not many speak it. Even if asked if we're Italian is considered an insult, meanwhile most Italians look down on us like we're beneath them. Both regions, Catalonia and Sicily would do well to establish their own nations.
@pauldunneska
@pauldunneska 6 жыл бұрын
Josh Sanders Just get your lot out of the Occupied Stolen six counties of Ireland.
@AdamMM02
@AdamMM02 6 жыл бұрын
As a Catalan, I can guarantee you that this problem isn't as easy as it seems. The problem is not with Spain itself, but with the corrupt politicians of the pp party, which now have been ruling Spain for more than 5 years, driving it further into disaster. Although this thought radicalised rapidly throughout the last years, turning it into a general hate against Spain. I've been living for 12 years now in Barcelona, I was born here, I was raised here and I left when I was 12 years old. I can assure you totally that it isn't as dramatic as it may seem. In Barcelona, in fact in Catalonia as whole, wealth never disappeared, not even during the years of the great crisis. It's still one of the wealthiest(if not the most) of Spain, and it's due to(among other things) the geographic location, the proportionally higher population, the industrial centres, and of course, Barcelona. It's very sad that in the moments like now, when we should be united against the real problems, some people just ignore the facts and want (as always) a extreme, fast, and efficient solution, like the declaration of independence from Spain, which as we all are often told, will make things considerably better. I don't want to disappoint you, but this is just a mere, big, fat lie. It's based on both left and right-wing rethoric, which has been used for decades, in order to transform the Catalan people into a 'Last bastion of civilization in the Iberian peninsula',which is just extremely ridiculous. In Catalonia one can live very very good, in one of the most wealthy regions, of one of the most wealthy countries on this planet.
@juanlulourido548
@juanlulourido548 6 жыл бұрын
Cataluña es un región no un pais
@sergiorodr4471
@sergiorodr4471 6 жыл бұрын
+Juanlu Lourido Por poco tiempo
@miikapekk5155
@miikapekk5155 6 жыл бұрын
Yes " United we stand, divided we fall" . The Iberians of Spain need to remember all their history and not just the romantic parts of it this includes the Catalans as well. Chinese like to speak of a century of Humiliation, but if we look at Spain it seems they have been experiencing several centuries of Humiliation. This is all because of selfishness and tribalism.
@IAmTh3Doom
@IAmTh3Doom 6 жыл бұрын
Noone believe this guy... he is just another brainwashed kid, PP is the politic party returning Spain to good times, political lefties hate enything that has do with the right wing, they live in the past.
@nilfabra9505
@nilfabra9505 6 жыл бұрын
And I add that the "partido popular" according to statistics it's the most corrupt party in Europe.
@NorthworthySagasStories
@NorthworthySagasStories 6 жыл бұрын
Cool video and thanks for sharing this History With Hilbert
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@katyayani3524
@katyayani3524 6 жыл бұрын
This video is amazing! Lots of information and beautiful graphics. Please keep on making these videos, Hilbert! Love it, definitely gonna recommend this channel to my friends and family!
@dandelionsedyn
@dandelionsedyn Жыл бұрын
i will never be ashamed for being catalan and i wont stop speaking my language just because someone that i dont care about tells me so, thanks for speaking up about it
@kiliritongs
@kiliritongs Жыл бұрын
Jo visc a Barcelona, i vaig tenía molts problemes amb tot aixó, gracies per fer contingut en angles sobre catalunya
@zapapala
@zapapala 6 жыл бұрын
Spaniard here. It's not that the majority of Spaniards are against Catalan independence, we are against the illegal ways that they apply to do it. I wouldn't mind if Catalonia got independent as long as it's in the limits of the law and is democratically guaranteed. Right now, with this whole show, Catalan separatists are taking Catalan Unionists with them on this crazy ride without them having a say in it. BTW, about your last bit of the video. Never have I heard a Spaniard say that the Catalan language shouldn't be talked in Catalonia. Where did you get that information from?
@rutgerw.
@rutgerw. 6 жыл бұрын
Except that there isn't any legal way for them to become independent so what you are saying doesn't make sense and a perfect example of the "democracy" lies being told by Spain.
@guillemmoreno5522
@guillemmoreno5522 6 жыл бұрын
The "limits of the law" only grant Catalans the ability to decide their own future if all Spaniards decide as well. Do you think this is acceptable? A lot of people who come from other parts of Spain aren't happy about the extent to which Catalan is used in our society.
@AntonioCabezuelo
@AntonioCabezuelo 6 жыл бұрын
Yes there is a legal way: A referendum in the WHOLE of Spain votes and there is a mayority of votes of favor of Cataluña being independent.
@AntonioCabezuelo
@AntonioCabezuelo 6 жыл бұрын
You said "if all Spaniards decide as well" it is called the Constitution and it is also called Democracy (a word that you fill your mouth with but don't know the meaning of) which Catalans vote in favour of massively: the result was 90% in favour with a 67,9% participation, compare that with the result of the independentist in the last autonomic vote (47,8% of the vote and a 74,9% participation).
@Patrick-mx6sk
@Patrick-mx6sk 5 жыл бұрын
Hola Hibert…..te recomiendo que visites España...y te entrevistes con profesores de Historia de la universidades de Barcelona, Salamanca, Madrid, Zaragoza y Sevilla...….Creo que no tienes toda la información, y te estas equivocando en poner este tipos de videos sin tener toda la información. Es cierto que con poco tiempo no se puede hacer un video de la historia de un país....Pues lanzas por capítulos en una serie.....EL ERROR DE CUALQUIER HISTORIADOR. ES LANZAR UN ASUNTO HISTORICO SIN TENER LOS RECURSOS Y LAS FUENTES CORRECTAS DE INFORMACION.....Y TU HAS COMETIDO ESE ERROR....BRAVO POR TUS VISITAS A TU CANAL....PERO ESTAS GENERANDO CONFLICTOS....Y ESO NO LO HACE NADIE DIGNO DE CALIFICARSE AMANTE DE LA HISTORIA Y A QUIEN LE GUSTE LA HISTORIA...
@user-tl7fe3kq8p
@user-tl7fe3kq8p 6 жыл бұрын
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@freedomforcatalonia9737
@freedomforcatalonia9737 5 жыл бұрын
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@Alan_pl924
@Alan_pl924 3 жыл бұрын
@@freedomforcatalonia9737 Stay mad kid 😂😂😂😂😂
@aidalynn4870
@aidalynn4870 6 жыл бұрын
You all seem to forget that a) Catalonia isn’t oppressed? It’s one of the most prosperous communities in Spain, and it enjoys more freedom than most. b) The whole referendum was ilegal. It was deemed ilegal by the Supreme Court, the people that voted were, by definition, criminals. Yeah, the police went WAY too far, but everyone who voted broke the law. c) THOSE VOTES CAN’T COUNT. The numbers are not credible, people voted multiple times, there were no ID checks, it was not run by computers, kids voted, people voted in the streets...you cannot believe those numbers. d) Even if the numbers were real...two million voted for independence, what about the other eight million Catalans? You all seem to forget, the majority of people it Catalonia don’t want to leave Spain! The people that don’t want to leave (the people who would have voted no) didn’t bother to go and vote because they didn’t bother to participate in something illegal. By going to vote they are still aiding the nationalists.
@Terry7erin
@Terry7erin 6 жыл бұрын
How is going to vote helping the nationalists? In any case if there was a bast majority of people that voted NO, the conflict would have been settled by now, wouldn't it? By the way, same name hahahhaha
@louroo5197
@louroo5197 6 жыл бұрын
Aida Lynn thank god people are capable of articulating reasonable and well explained answers for the guiris. I was watching international news today and they are all so pro-catalan independentists making spain look much more nasty and backwards than it really is.
@aidalynn4870
@aidalynn4870 6 жыл бұрын
Lou Roo YES! Like hello, is everyone forgetting how illegal everything is or...? Btw, good use of guiris lmao true
@aidalynn4870
@aidalynn4870 6 жыл бұрын
Aida Kane because if you go to vote you’re participating in an illegal act set up by the nationalists.
@louroo5197
@louroo5197 6 жыл бұрын
thats cuz I'm Ibero-Sajon, get it?
@mangaxfan1234
@mangaxfan1234 6 жыл бұрын
This video is full of wrong information and mayor gaps in history. First of all, and the most important fact is that you have misunderstood wich is the catalonian flag. The catalonian flag is made from around ten red and yellow horizontal lines of the same size, with no star on it. The same flag with a star and a blue triangle it's the independent catalonian flag. In Catalonia just the 48% of the people want the independence (just like the last regional parlament elections proves), for that reason, this flag just represents the division of the catalonian society and it isn't an official and recognized flag either. That's the reason why you must not represent catalonian people with a flag that isn't their symbol. This is for me, the most important error in this video. In second place you talk about the spanish war of succession without pointing that Catalonia act like a traitor during that war. Catalonia's parlament in that moment of history, The "Generalitat", swore that there will be loyal to Philiph V of Anjou, and they recognized him like their king. They even gifted him with gold supporting his leadership. In exchange, Philiph V treat very good the catalonians. However, during the war against England, Catalonia change sides due to the fact that England invade the Peninsula from Barcelona and occupied the city. Afterwards, Philiph try to negotiate the surrender of Barcelona, but all ended up with its defeat the 11th of september after 4 months surrounding the city. My point is that the king wasn't acting in a mean way, it was the other way round, Catalonia betrayed him. Third. You can give the wrong idea that the dictatorship of General Franco was only suffer, or especially suffer, by Catalonia. That's completely wrong. The whole country suffer the limitations of rights and so on. Obviously, the only official language was spanish, and in consequence, you couldn't speak galician, basque or catalonian like an official language. Of course the more languages you know, the more you were forbidden to use for official matters, but that if just a fact about how many languages you know, and doesn't have anything to do with a special hatred towards catalonians. And last but not least, you mention at the beginning of the video that "The central Government called the voting illegal". That's not true. The voting can only be qualified as illegal by Spains's highest court, The Constitucional Court. This Court haven't dictated its judgment yet, because is pretty slow i must say. However, this court suspended the voting as a preventive measure, in case if later on they qualified the voting as illegal. Anyway, desobeing the court's commands it's illegal, therefore commiting the voting was illegal. I must say that it's pretty obvious that the voting is illegal based on Spanish Constitution and even International Law. But this court takes its time with the purpose of making very elaborated judgments. Catalonia may have a different history to Castilla or other parts of Spain: Andalucía was the territory with biggest arabic influence, the north had the most celtic influence, and so on. That's why history is not the reason of the desire of independence of half the population of Catalonia. If you analyze the official surveys you will notice that the independence supporters have grown from 25% to 48% in this last 5 years. Is not a matter of history, is a matter of actual politics who doesn't want to share their wellness, who want to continue in Catalonian's Government by promising some fake dreamland in a Independent Catalonia. I beg you, you investigate and search about the real aspects of this Catalonia desire of independence. The origins started around 30 years ago, with the inclusion of changes in the school's history text books, and the beginning the forging of a hatred towards the rest of Spain by Catalonian's most powerful businessmen. I hope i have been of help pointing the wrong information. And i repeat myself, the biggest mistake is the one about the flag. The real problem in my country right now is not wether or not Catalonia will be an independent country. The real problem is the actual broken Catalonia society, between one half who stands by its on flag, and the other, that tries to impose their own.
@guillemmoreno5522
@guillemmoreno5522 6 жыл бұрын
48% voted the pro-independence parties, and that makes them the block with the highest percentage of votes. You seem to forget Comuns, although not pro-independence, are not Constitutionalist and advocate for a federal Spain with a self-governing and self-managing Catalonia, which is why they're not included in the Constitutionalist group along with PP, PSC and C's. Besides, though I may give the wrong idea when I say this, it's no secret the vast majority of votes C's as well as the other Constitutionalist parties received comes from people who emigrated from other parts of Spain and their children. Traitors? Phillip V supported a centralist and absolutist monarchy while the Habsburg promised not to touch the autonomy of those regions that had it, which is why Aragon as a whole opposed the Bourbons. The difference between Catalonia and the other regions of Aragon is they didn't surrender, and this is what we celebrate in the Diada. This isn't treason whatsoever, it's protection of their self-governance and independence. From my point of view, those who reject the idea Spain is a plurinational state are the real traitors because they'd rather believe in a fantasy that doesn't represent the reality of what Spain actually was, is and will always be. Franco did a lot of harm to Spain as a whole, but claiming Catalonia is no special case is foolish. What set Catalonia apart from Galicia and the Basque Country is that Catalonia had and still has a much stronger sense of identity than the other two, and from an economical point of view, it was also superior, especially when compared to Galicia. I'm sure you heard how Franco invested in Catalan industry during the 60s, but you were probably never told how he tried and failed to delocalize it during the 40s, because a nation with no power can't be bothered with sentimentalities like Catalan nationalism. Primo de Rivera tried to do a similar thing but with culture instead of industry for 1929's Expo. The anticatalan sentiment among Spaniards at the time (and nowadays) can't be compared to the other two's, because Catalonia has always been the one to make more noise, except for ETA. You're just nitpicking here, although you're technically correct. On the grand scale of things there's not much of a difference, however. And don't mention "International Laws" because you just pulled that shit out of your ass. The Constitution doesn't allow Catalans to decide their own future unless all Spaniards decide as well, but this isn't how the right of self-determination works. Kind of a messy situation, since the Constitution is supposed to ensure the validity of UN's international treaties. History is usually a significant topic not because of how "unique and different" Catalonia is, but because it shows how Catalonia's been fucked over and over and because it shows parallels between what happened a hundred years ago and what's going on now. This is why pro-independence Catalans distrust the Spanish government so much. Both the past and the present show the Spanish government isn't willing to listen, let alone negociate, and the only way to truly take back our independence is by slowly forcing it against what the Government says, regardless of the law, a law that many consider to be obsolete.
@dexteryy3282
@dexteryy3282 7 ай бұрын
Freedom for the Republic of Catalonia from aggressive Spanish colonialism. Catalans ♥🇫🇷
@jojolafrite9265
@jojolafrite9265 3 ай бұрын
🤡🤣🤣🤣
@aalmi002
@aalmi002 6 жыл бұрын
Good video, but you really need to distinguish between calling the Spanish language “Spanish” and Castellano or Castilian in English because Spaniards especially Catalans are very sensitive to this. Man, you’ll get a tongue lashing or get corrected at least if you say speak Spanish to me instead of saying speak Castilian to me since a Catalan speaker, as well as the other minority languages, consider their own language “Spanish” as well. Just something to keep in mind. Also, historically Spanish wasn’t called Spanish until relatively recently in the modern era. It was referred specifically as Castellano. Hell, even in the Philippines, they still call it that.
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, however because this video is in English I'll continue to use the term the vast majority are familiar with which is Spanish (I think in some of the maps I even put or mention that's it's the Spanish from Castile?) I swear English has its own rules about foreign linguistics, like in Dutch the Frisian spoken in the Netherlands is called "Het Fries", but that means "Frisian" which linguistically can be mixed up with any of the other Frisian languages, however the English "West Frisian" is easily confused with Dutch "West Fries" which refers only to a dialect spoken in de Kop van Holland. To keep it simple I just stick with the English as this is what most people are most familiar with.
@aalmi002
@aalmi002 6 жыл бұрын
History With Hilbert Thank you for your response. I get where you’re coming from. I just wanted to alert you with that historical tidbit. Just a brief mention in the video would’ve been fine. “Het fries”? Sounds like Hot fries to new. What a confusing situation as well.
@manelmunoz2375
@manelmunoz2375 6 жыл бұрын
I'm Spanish, from Barcelona... Castellano and Español mean the same to us. We usually say Castilian instead of Spanish, though :/
@archsword2446
@archsword2446 6 жыл бұрын
In the Philippines, we call Spanish Kastila,, more often, than Español or Espanyol.
@AntonioCabezuelo
@AntonioCabezuelo 6 жыл бұрын
aalmi002 - Both Castellano and Español are gramatically correct in Spain. Source: RAE. If you get upset because one may say Sapnish in your presence is your problem. The other languages are not considered Spanish but co-official in Spain
@dearomania8289
@dearomania8289 6 жыл бұрын
Viva la unidad de Espana! Desde Rumania!
@rutgerw.
@rutgerw. 6 жыл бұрын
¡Visca Catalunya lliure!
@GeraltofRivia22
@GeraltofRivia22 6 жыл бұрын
You deserve way more subs, keep up the good work.
@propellerjfk
@propellerjfk 3 жыл бұрын
Spain is one and united. Every country has a region who wants to detach itself. They never even think of consequences political and economical
@antoniofigueiredo4983
@antoniofigueiredo4983 6 жыл бұрын
Free Catalonia!
@karenarmstrong8141
@karenarmstrong8141 6 жыл бұрын
i feel like it should still be a part of spain... *hmm* *when* *your* *giveing* *an* *opnion* *and* *your* *not* *even* *from* *europe*
@glitterrylie2950
@glitterrylie2950 6 жыл бұрын
nahte armystrong Why
@inferno_slayer
@inferno_slayer 6 жыл бұрын
António Figueiredo No way, we don’t need a pointless country in europe
@karenarmstrong8141
@karenarmstrong8141 6 жыл бұрын
+Nietzsche's Moustache Is the Best why not
@jorgeadelprado
@jorgeadelprado 6 жыл бұрын
The 52% which voted in the catalan elections to parties which do not supported the referendum consider themselves pretty free, thank you
@Dylan-ze6hw
@Dylan-ze6hw 6 жыл бұрын
“Whilhelmus van Nassau ben ik van Duitsen bloed” Love it, interesting as well.
@babygamingyt4556
@babygamingyt4556 6 жыл бұрын
Den Vaderland Getrouwe Blijf Ik Ton In Den Dood
@kaiserkitsune9393
@kaiserkitsune9393 6 жыл бұрын
Dutch still sounds and looks too me like a 2 year old is trying to speak/write in German
@NaomiClareNL
@NaomiClareNL 6 жыл бұрын
Even more interesting is the last line with respect to this video: de koning van Hispanje heb ik atijd geëerd (I've always honoured the king of Spain).
@jamesdick2713
@jamesdick2713 6 жыл бұрын
NaomiClareNL: Especially considering that it is the Dutch effectively saying that it is Spain's fault (specifically Phillip II) for the eighty years war.
@josegg3107
@josegg3107 Жыл бұрын
Catalan language has not decreased because of laws that were approved in the past century, it's mainly because 70% of the population of Cataluña, are from outside of Cataluña (Most of them from other regions of Spain), so that's why Spanish language it's the most used language in the region. About the dictatorship, it's false that you were banned from speaking Catalan, they banned Catalan as an official language of the administration, but you could read books in Catalan and speak it. And it's also false that a lot of people in Spain say that Catalan shouldn't be an official language, most of them are happy to have both official languages in the region.
@arnox1212
@arnox1212 2 жыл бұрын
Respect Catalonia from Syria 🇸🇾❤️‍🔥
@Tacticalerth
@Tacticalerth Жыл бұрын
Free catalonia free kurdistan
@deadcrow9046
@deadcrow9046 Жыл бұрын
@@Tacticalerth And Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@stefanatliorvaldsson3563
@stefanatliorvaldsson3563 6 жыл бұрын
freedom for Catalonia p.s. great video
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 6 жыл бұрын
Stefán Atli Þorvaldsson Thanks!
@IvanSN
@IvanSN 6 жыл бұрын
Martín Díaz Cuesta Haha fuck off Francoist
@cristianlafuente4040
@cristianlafuente4040 6 жыл бұрын
the other half or more of catalans don't want independence. here in catalonia the goverment makes political propaganda about independece and they have no respect to us.
@erikcummings3125
@erikcummings3125 6 жыл бұрын
Obey your masters, Catalonia
@niukaoj
@niukaoj 6 жыл бұрын
Fuck you, dumbass.
@bestiapardaka0791
@bestiapardaka0791 3 жыл бұрын
I pensar que podria haver buscat i trobat el video en castellà o català i ho he fet amb anglès. Molt bon treball et felicito !
@Itzz_Natoeditor
@Itzz_Natoeditor Жыл бұрын
Love catalunya from kurdistan
@karl-arnal
@karl-arnal 3 жыл бұрын
various mistakes, one of them Navarre wasn't conquered and annexed by Spain until 1521, in your map you show Granada Kingdom independent of Spain and Navarre already conquered, this is wrong, Granada was conquered in 1492, Navarre will remain independent until 1521, correct this please
@robertfletcher3421
@robertfletcher3421 6 жыл бұрын
Yes please tell us more about Catalonia.
@Miniherrera11
@Miniherrera11 6 жыл бұрын
Like a Catalan I am, I would like to say you please use the official flag (w/out star). Also I would like to say that Spanish is the most spoken language here but at school we must speak Catalan. I hope we be Spaniards like always. Regards from Barcelona!
@michaelcooper4010
@michaelcooper4010 5 жыл бұрын
Miniherrera11 back to your spain you immigrant
@Janik-pwoejrur
@Janik-pwoejrur 2 жыл бұрын
You‘re in idiot
@friendoftellus5741
@friendoftellus5741 11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for this most educational video about the history of Catalonia !!!
@AlbertoBP01
@AlbertoBP01 5 жыл бұрын
Catalonia was very happy with the 2nd Republic? In 1934, the Generalitat rebelled against the central Goverment, that had to declare the state of war and to intervene with the army. During the Civil War, there were many Catalans with the national side, and they were of great support for the Franco dictatorship.
@thedano-spaniard2204
@thedano-spaniard2204 4 жыл бұрын
you kinda make it sound like "the catalans feel independent" but we're talking about a minor group of catalonians. The majority want to stay with Spain, but those aren't the ones you see on TV
@postaldude39
@postaldude39 4 жыл бұрын
See, you are wrong
@redrak655
@redrak655 5 жыл бұрын
Aragón was a confederation with the main city being Barcelona. Catalans had the political leadership and lead also the Mediterranean expansion. That´s why Aragon has the coats of arms of the Counts of Barcelona.
@su_morenito_1948
@su_morenito_1948 4 жыл бұрын
Redrak A callar panque,si es al revés
@tonyapaya8807
@tonyapaya8807 4 жыл бұрын
Jajajaja eso, no es, cierto, además, el predominio de Barcelona duro hasta principios del siglo XIV, gran parte del mismo y el, siglo XV la ciudad más importante de la corona de Aragón fue Valencia.
@lluisbofarullros3223
@lluisbofarullros3223 Жыл бұрын
@@tonyapaya8807 Cataluña Principado trece reyes en tres siglos, Valencia un siglo y poco mas de capitalidad. Además si Valencia logró tal esplendor, en parte fué por la emigración hacia alli de catalanes por la guerra civil catalana (1462-72)
@lluisbofarullros3223
@lluisbofarullros3223 Жыл бұрын
@@su_morenito_1948 aun más: Aragón cambió sus armas por las barras catalanas como se ve en su escudo actual
@sullivanhass6592
@sullivanhass6592 4 жыл бұрын
Respect to Catalonian ,,from Kurdistan
@neverluckym8728
@neverluckym8728 6 жыл бұрын
Siege of Catalonia happened 300 years before the terrorist attacks in America. (9/11)
@Telco12
@Telco12 6 жыл бұрын
#FreeCatalonians
@Groznyj_Tutscha
@Groznyj_Tutscha 6 жыл бұрын
#FreeKekistan
@ancient9270
@ancient9270 6 жыл бұрын
Jam Com fuck u
@rebeccamcphink4625
@rebeccamcphink4625 6 жыл бұрын
Where Is Krell? #BombKekistan
@Groznyj_Tutscha
@Groznyj_Tutscha 6 жыл бұрын
+marshall mcphink *Congratulations! You have won a FREE helicopter ride!*
@hanjizoe2648
@hanjizoe2648 6 жыл бұрын
XxiluminatyxX -xX Nah fuck you
@Novusod
@Novusod 6 жыл бұрын
That map of Spain is not very good. The yellow ocean and yellow land is somewhat difficult to see.
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 6 жыл бұрын
Noted, I'll make sure to avoid that next time
@scutarius3526
@scutarius3526 6 жыл бұрын
You haven't noticed the sky and the sea in Spain is orange or yellow. Hollywood movies are the proof. And be careful with the bulls running through the streets. xd
@marckbcn
@marckbcn 6 жыл бұрын
In 1713, with the Treaty of Utrecht, the Succession war ended. But in Catalonia they went on fighting, more than 1 year till 11th September 1714. From July 1713 till September 1714 it is clear that those Catalans didn't fight for a King or another, they fought for their freedom, for our freedom. They were much less in number but the defense was heroic. They defended to death our Catalan language, our laws (there were laws only in Catalunya, there were assemblees of Catalan representants here, "les Corts Catalanes"...), also under the Franco dictatorship the Catalan remained in resistance and organized secretly courses of Catalan language and maintained our identity. Thank you for your contribuition, I think it helps to understand why currently the Catalan Nation is pushing towards independence.
@mentecentrada5466
@mentecentrada5466 6 жыл бұрын
Se te olvidó mencionar el Golpe de estado de cataluña durante la Segunda República
@alexpisman6838
@alexpisman6838 6 жыл бұрын
LONG LIVE UNIFIED SPAIN!
@p9esp366
@p9esp366 6 жыл бұрын
VIVA ESPAÑA!!!
@michaelmoore4043
@michaelmoore4043 6 жыл бұрын
👍
@jonathanm9069
@jonathanm9069 5 жыл бұрын
Half of the world has literally declared it's independence against Spain. Spain has never been unified, because a real union is one in which all parts feel equal, feel represented and feel they have a choice. Spain it's just a colonizer country, not a unifying one.
@momelendez9691
@momelendez9691 5 жыл бұрын
Visca Espanya!
@nathanmeulensteen339
@nathanmeulensteen339 5 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanm9069 this is literally the only english reply.....
@epicduckdoctor
@epicduckdoctor 6 жыл бұрын
Great video Sir, as always.
@christopherellis2663
@christopherellis2663 6 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. The language has more connection with the south of France, lengua d'Òc.
@HMM.11
@HMM.11 2 жыл бұрын
The name Catalonia has an Arabic origin and is hung from the word Qetal, which means fight. Because there is no letter Q (ق) in Latin languages, it was replaced by the letter C, so Qetal became cetal and pronounced Ketal. As for Cataloni, it means they killed me. And if we convert it to the name of a country in the Arabic language, we must add the suffix a or the suffix ah to become Cataloniah ,Katalonia , Qatalonia or Catalonia Greetings to you from the Arab Republic of Egypt
@irishakita
@irishakita Жыл бұрын
I thought it had the root as "land of castles"? possibly both?
@lafamilleerre7733
@lafamilleerre7733 Жыл бұрын
La première mention du nom Catalunya est dans le Liber Mailichinus écrit entre 1115 et 1155 par Henri de Pise. Plusieurs hypothèses quant à l'origine de Catalunya : - l'ancien peuple ibère des Laketani, devenu Kastellanoi au II ème siècle (la plus probable), - le pays des Goths (Gothlandia) ou celui des Goths et des Allains (Gothallandia), (moins probable) - les gens des châteaux (comme en Castille) : castrum en latin. L'hypothèse d'un nom d'origine arabe rejoint la troisième option : "Qalat" ou "Qsar" pour château. La Castille comme la Catalogne étaient couvertes de châteaux, forteresses, tours et fortins, car en première ligne pour la Reconquista.
@HMM.11
@HMM.11 Жыл бұрын
@@lafamilleerre7733 plz type in english
@lafamilleerre7733
@lafamilleerre7733 Жыл бұрын
@@HMM.11 Héééé... Difficile... I don't speak english. I try : The first book where the word "Catalunya" is present is Liber Mailichinus (writer Henri de Pise, 1115/1155). Hypothesis... (?) for the origin of Catalunya : - iberic people which named "Laketani", becoming Kastellanoi (second century) : very probable... (?) very possible ? - land of Goth or Goth's land (Gothland, Gothlandia) or land of Goth and Allain (other germanic people) Gothallandia : less possible... less probably ? - people whom live in castle (like Castilla) : origin castrum in latin language, This last hypothesis... came with the arab origine hypothesis because Catalunya has many castles to defend the territory against Maure expansion (muslim expansion). Do you understand ? Sorry for my (very) poor english !
@HMM.11
@HMM.11 Жыл бұрын
@@lafamilleerre7733 I don't know what your mother tongue is but I suggest you use Google translate if you are weak in English As for Gotland, it is also derived from Arabic, and it is made up of two syllables, Juth, which means relief, and Land, which means land. By combining the two syllables, it becomes the land of relief. Jawth means relief in Arabic Let my friend know that the Arabic language has been influenced by all the languages ​​of the earth, even the Indian, Persian, Maltese, Sicilian, Turkish, Spanish and English languages, due to the spread of Islam in the entire planet, and even recently, Arabic words have been adopted in many languages, such as the words of jihad, God, peace be upon you, and others. And if the Western media portrayed Muslims and Arabs as terrorists and distorted their image in front of the whole world, which made the whole world hate Arabs and Muslims and deny their virtue, this does not mean that we blur the facts and deny the virtue of Arabs, Muslims and the ancient civilization of Egypt over the whole world, and every human being must study the truth and know the Arabs and Muslims for what they really are.
@spanishmasterpieces5203
@spanishmasterpieces5203 4 жыл бұрын
Catalonia never was an independent country! Its was a part of The Kingdom of Aragon!! Dont lie! Spain never invaded Catalonia, there was an succession war in Spain. All spain was in war, its was not spain against catalonia! So dont lie!!!!
@torsamuel1560
@torsamuel1560 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Lucho. The person who has made this video has taken on the rubbish pro-independence Catalans are spreading. He says that Spain invaded Catalonia 300 years ago, as if Catalonia were independent before, while Catalonia had been part of Spain since Spain was created, 500 years ago. Catalonia never was a nation, where are the kings of Catalonia in history? I know none. Before Spain was created, the king of Catalonia was the king of Aragon.
@Dracopol
@Dracopol 6 жыл бұрын
The Balearic Islands including Ibiza have two official languages: Catalan and Spanish.
@davidrs7083
@davidrs7083 6 жыл бұрын
Do you know that Catalonia was always very well economically rewarded from Castilla? (territorially speaking)
@joseibanez227
@joseibanez227 6 жыл бұрын
It was a good an neutral review of the situation. The reason the kingdom of Aragon and hence Catalonia suported the Hapbsburg in the Sucesion wars was because they promised to keep the status quo, the rights, laws and privileges. However the Borbon (french house) won the war, they wanted to unite the country and abolish the ”old situation”. The regions that belonged to the Kingdom of Aragon (not only Catalonia) lost their rights, laws and privileges. It is true but is more of an excuse than a reason for independence. The real reason is as always money. Catalonia is one of the most industrialized parts of Spain (financed by the central government) and decided that they are better off of all the burdens of paying taxes and supporting other regions.
@Rostam-vk9hx
@Rostam-vk9hx 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah follow up video please!
@BlitzKreegRock
@BlitzKreegRock 6 жыл бұрын
Don't forget bro, Portugal was part of Spain for 60 years
@catalannationalist9847
@catalannationalist9847 4 жыл бұрын
@Imper 5 Aragon, Navarre, Valencia, Majorca and Catalonia were also separated kingdoms (principality in the case of Catalonia) until the Spanish Succession War.
@redrak655
@redrak655 6 жыл бұрын
There is often the same confusion with the name Aragon. To correct the speaker: it was not the Aragonese the "rulers" that were allowing Catalans to live like they wanted, but the other way round. To clarify this, some facts resumed, and the consequences, why Catalonia ruled the Mediterranean Sea as an economic power. The kingdom of Aragon was called so, because the rulers of Catalonia, that hold the title of Counts, always ruled in consensus with other counts in an area that reaches the Provence in current France touching Italy. The Count of Barcelona, the ruler of Catalonia and Occitania married the heiress of the kingdom of Aragon and became in this way King. The intention of the marriage was less to become king (which is only a title) as to have access to Aragons great granary, because Catalunya was seat oriented, commerce oriented. This is why to this point in history Catalonia starts to expand in the Mediterranean Sea becoming in the 14th century the main seapower there. Anyway, ARAGON, is a cool name, because it reminds to Dragon, an important Catalan symbol, since the patron of Catalonia is St. George, who is always depicted as fighting the dragon, a symbol of the Yin/Yang. In some places in Catalonia you find the representation of St. George with the motto: "cogita et age" (think and act).
@miguelangelmansilla4847
@miguelangelmansilla4847 6 жыл бұрын
-Redrak Maybe some lessons about degrees of kinship could help. 1st - Parent 2nd - Brother/Sister 3th - Aunt/Uncle 4th - Cousin 5th - 2nd Cousin Now, lets do the same with the Nobility degrees: 1st - King/Queen 2nd - Princes/Princess 3rd - Duke/Duchess 4th - Marquis/Marchioness 5th - Count/Countess And you say that it was not the KINGDOM of Aragon the "ruler" that were allowing Catalans from several COUNTIES to live like they wanted, but the other way round. Weeeeee! To clarify this, some facts resumed, and the consequences, why Catalonia ruled the Mediterranean Sea as an economic power, and why the GB only rule over the waves... (obviously not the mediterranean ones). The kingdom of Aragon was called so, because the rulers of Catalonia... Kingdom of Aragon was born in 1035. The count of Barcelona married the Princess of Aragon in 1137, and probably that is the reason because the name of Kingdom of Aragon perdured instead the Kingdom of the Count of Barcelona. Anyway, CATALONIA is a cool name, because remind me Castile, land of castles :)
@redrak655
@redrak655 6 жыл бұрын
I don´t understand for what reason you put these lists. Anyway, a count has no kingdom (as you are telling), but a county. In the case of the Count of BCN he was a ruler of a series of counties with whom he had to a great extent familiar ties. However, your account does not deny the issue I was talking about, namely the fact that the ruler of the so called Kingdom of Aragon/Catalonia (like experts put it to clarify precisely what I am talking about and avoid confusion) were the successors of the count of BCN, and obviously the Queen of Aragon. Besides this, I read recently, to put it more clearly and certify what I was saying, that the original King of Aragon, father of Peronila, left the kingdom to the count of Barcelona. Of course this didn´t mean, that the Aragonese nobility had nothing to say. Much the contrary was the case, because they were always making troubles and the king (Dynasty of the counts of Barcelona) had to go to Aragon (at least in the beginning) to hold the so called "corts" (assemblies). To illustrate the importance of the title "Count of Barcelona", remember that the father of Juan Carlos I, hold this title as his main one.
@miguelangelmansilla4847
@miguelangelmansilla4847 6 жыл бұрын
"Statements which, although literally true, are nevertheless misleading". You should read something else than History written by and for catalans ;)
@francoissanchez7854
@francoissanchez7854 6 жыл бұрын
Catalonia is Spain, that's all
@Thunkful2
@Thunkful2 6 жыл бұрын
Do U know what a Democracy is? In a Democracy the people vote the laws (like New England town halls). With a Republic, elected representatives vote the laws. do you no err by saying Spain became a democracy after Franco?
@agvolleyballstars4815
@agvolleyballstars4815 5 жыл бұрын
Here's where you're wrong, Spain is not a democracy. They can call themselves a democracy but they're not. A real democracy would allow the people to make important decisions which Spain does not. However, the fact that Spain is not a democracy but a constitutional monarchy makes them more insistent on letting Catalonia balkanize from Spain. If anything, I think Spain is just too constitutional.
@agvolleyballstars4815
@agvolleyballstars4815 5 жыл бұрын
*Not letting
@InXLsisDeo
@InXLsisDeo 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty good video and much better than others on the subject. Yes a video on the current events would be helpful. A little nitpick: the music at the end was distracting.
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Think I'm going to scrap the outro music from now on.
@crataegus125
@crataegus125 6 жыл бұрын
Why use a yellow sea on your maps? Makes them hard to view.
@Genjuanpa
@Genjuanpa 6 жыл бұрын
Freedom for Tabarnia !! We don´t want to be part of Catalonia anymore !
@inescamps5164
@inescamps5164 5 жыл бұрын
Tabarnia dius tu
@inescamps5164
@inescamps5164 5 жыл бұрын
Jajaja
@michaelcooper4010
@michaelcooper4010 5 жыл бұрын
Ines Camps es veu que ara la gent que ha emigrat a Catalunya no vol ser Catalana, pero per la pela si que els hi interessa vindre a la nostre terra
@inescamps5164
@inescamps5164 5 жыл бұрын
@@michaelcooper4010 la gran veritat
@irenetam4129
@irenetam4129 5 жыл бұрын
Where have you found the information? your video is quite inaccurate, sorry to say vv (just starting by the flags to the rest)
@Katie-oq7mh
@Katie-oq7mh 6 жыл бұрын
Great video!!
@Tobiesmas
@Tobiesmas Жыл бұрын
So Catalonia was conquered and annexed by Kingdom of Castilla in 1714.
@josegg3107
@josegg3107 Жыл бұрын
No, lo que se hizo es que se centralizó el poder de todo el país, ya que antes España, se administraba por separado, estaban los parlamentos de la Corona Aragonesa (Aragón, Comunidad Valenciana, Catalunya y Baleares) y el Parlamento de Castilla, ambos se fusionaron.
@Tobiesmas
@Tobiesmas Жыл бұрын
@@josegg3107 A mi me parece una anexión de manual. Incluso los documentos de la época hablan de "derecho de conquista". Después de esta guerra se implantaton las leyes de Castilla en los estados de la Corona de Aragón.
@josegg3107
@josegg3107 Жыл бұрын
@@Tobiesmas anexión es cuando un sujeto absorbe al otro, cosa que es imposible por ya ambas coronas formaban un mismo país, Felipe V impone el centralismo, basándose en las leyes de castilla, salvo en navarra que le apoyó en la guerra de sucesión, al final Felipe V hizo lo que él había visto en Francia toda su vida, que era la centralización del poder en un solo lugar, no estoy a favor de ello, pero es historia y hay que entender el por qué y sus causas.
@Tobiesmas
@Tobiesmas Жыл бұрын
@@josegg3107 Llámalo absorción o anexión, es lo mismo. Creo que coincidimos en el hecho indiscutible que después de esta guerra los estado de la Corona de Aragón pasan a ser territorios del Reino de Castilla. Como bien dices Felipe V era un rey absolutista y en este sentido las leyes de Castilla le eran mucho más favorables.
@josegg3107
@josegg3107 Жыл бұрын
@@Tobiesmas Ningún territorio pasó a ser parte de otro, Felipe V era Rey de España, y por tanto soberano de la Corona de Castilla y Aragón, lo que se hizo fué unir las administraciones de cada uno, obviamente Felipe V quiso que se basasen en las de Castilla, ya que el Rey en Castilla tiene más poder que en Aragón, (Desde la revuelta de los comuneros, donde la nobleza pierde mucho poder en favor del rey, perdiendo ese pactismo que si conservó la corona de Aragón), no me gusta que se eche en culpa a la Corona de Castilla por el centralismo, ya que fue Felipe V quién la impuso, perdiendo también Castilla sus fueros territoriales y su parlamento propio, cosa que nunca se habla.
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 6 жыл бұрын
1) I wouldn't have a problem if the Spanish people all butthurt over secession were to actually admit it's mostly for economic reasons instead of blathering on about some Nationalistic bullshit. (You'd think Franco would have purged that mindset out of them.) 2) It is inherently hypocritical to use a Democratic institution (in this case a constitution) to stifle the very concept of democracy. 3) The Spanish government should have spent more time making sure the polling was actually representative and less time bashing peoples' heads in. At least that way it'd be more legitimate and those against secession wouldn't be as terrified of going out and voting how they feel. Using violence is a very good way to start a revolt. Seems counter-intuitive to what they say they want. 4) The Catalan people are distinct culturally and linguistically. Why is it so damn difficult for countries to stick to their democratic values and allow people to decide for themselves? Agency is important. The first step to the inevitable demise of the Nation-State is the fracturing of existing nations. This is a good thing. Don't fight it.
@lorenzodocx4021
@lorenzodocx4021 6 жыл бұрын
preach son
@makouras
@makouras 6 жыл бұрын
The whole thing is nationalistic bullshit. Nationalism is a cancer that lives on in the world since the late 18th century. And it doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon.
@kaiserkitsune9393
@kaiserkitsune9393 6 жыл бұрын
makouras Nationalism is good to identifying with other people who are linguistically and/socially similar too form a group too defend them self but its bad when it goes into the extrem like everything
@aidalynn4870
@aidalynn4870 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah buuuut the thing is that in our Constitution it states that Spain is one nation, indivisible. For Catalonia to hold a referendum to leave, legally, the rest of Spain would also have to vote on it, because it means a change in the Constitution.
@edt7851
@edt7851 6 жыл бұрын
I think most of us Catalans wouldn't have ask for independence if Spain's fascist leaders weren't such dickheads.
@BListHistory
@BListHistory 6 жыл бұрын
Would love to hear more about the spanish side of this argument. Seems like everyone is pro-catalon (understandable because police brutality) but I'd still like to hear both sides
@inferno_slayer
@inferno_slayer 6 жыл бұрын
I’m pro Spanish and we don’t need another country in Europe to take care of, all independence will cause Is problems
@ryaneftink7364
@ryaneftink7364 6 жыл бұрын
I'm pro Spain. Here is my Argument. 1. Catalonia is probably the most prosperous region of Spain, and it's loss would be crippling for the country. This would further increase economic leverage of the more prosperous European nations in both Spain and Catalonia. 2. Unless Spain leaves the EU, or Spain is "strongly encouraged" to allow Catalonian entry into the EU Catalonia could not join the EU, which would result in a loss of EU privileges, most notably free trade with Europe, and Catalonia's economy isn't diverse enough to leave the EU without taking a major hit.. 3. The Catalonians already have bee granted privileges of having political autonomy, and Catalan culture is enforced throughout Catalonian provinces, with education in these provinces being forced to be taught in their tongue (with a few exceptions). The Catalonian governments seem, from my perspective to treat Castilian Spanish like the québécois government treats English, that is, it it is to be suppress to prevent Spanicicing the Catalonian Populace.
@malkavil
@malkavil 6 жыл бұрын
I think the video is quite neutral, some inacuracies but for undertanding the base is quite right. About the two sides u can find em in the same catalonia; Im from valencia, a region south of catalonia that speaks a similar lenguage but here the independent movement is really small. Since i remember, i have 40 years, there has always been a independent movement in catalonia but it gained force from the 2000's and in the 2010's more than ever. I think the principal factors had been the increase in the centralization of power and above all the economical and political crisis. Add to that that in the rest of spain a party that has no power in catalonia has governed for almost 20 years and that it has some reminiscense of the dictatorial regime and that makes the diference betwen catalonia and the rest get bigger. About the independence i found it hard to come to be couse there are lot of ppl in catalonia who dont want to get out of spain for varied reasons. think the main stream in the rest of spain is that catalonia is a part of spain, they voted for the current constitution and have no right to be independent or make a referendum without the consent of the rest of the country. My personal opinion is that if the spanish government had alowed a referendum and made a good campaign all this problem would not have come to fruition nad independence would lose, but the independent movement would have been there for future crisis and some thay they ll get out of spain, and that is not something the central government wanted.
@wolfgangalphamale1268
@wolfgangalphamale1268 6 жыл бұрын
Catalan language was never repressed. You could use it in your private life and in the street, the legislations only established that the language in the oficial national documents must be spanish. We have plenty of local documents, oficial documents and documents of associations and the like written in catalan. Before the dictatorship of Primo de Rivera, catalan language was already in decline, because the people prefered spanish. Also, one thing that nobody talks about is that the population of Barcelona welcomed Franco, because the were tired of the leftist radicals. The left started a political and religious genocide before the Spanish Civil War, that continue until the very conquest of Barcelona.
@guillemmoreno5522
@guillemmoreno5522 6 жыл бұрын
... The repression diminished overtime, but trying to say Catalan was never repressed is a blatant lie. In time Catalan was allowed in public and also in theatres and books, although at first in pre-Fabrian ortography and then normal writing. However, when it comes to education and work, Catalan was never allowed. Also the rest of the comment is pure and utter bullshit.
@wolfgangalphamale1268
@wolfgangalphamale1268 6 жыл бұрын
Guillem Moreno if you can read in Spanish, just read Historias Ocultadas del Nacionalismo Catalán, or look for the documents and get informed
@anirudhkumar4507
@anirudhkumar4507 4 жыл бұрын
Free Catalonia! #FreeCatalonia #CatalanIndependence
@weltgeist2604
@weltgeist2604 6 жыл бұрын
I was looking for a descent history of Catalonia, and then my favourite channel goes and makes a video about it. Could I ask for anything better?
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@sleeexs 4 жыл бұрын
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