Some of you have pointed out that Exile Island is the one season I missed, agreed. Terry made it imperfect but it was close. All other seasons have 2 interruptions, therefore screwing up a non perfect pagonging or a last minute tribe swap ala All-Stars where the winner is from the other tribe.

The way Boston Rob and Kim had the power to keep everyone in tact and hold the power until they eventually won is insane to me, Those were some pagong’s where I thought someone would try something at least.

"No reason, except strategy...". He hit the nail on the head, but with a chainsaw.

I consider Redemption Island a pure Pagonging. Matt was voted out of their tribe, so he no longer was part of their tribe post merge. In my opinion, whoever comes back into the game from Redemption Island doesn't belong to either tribe. They are basically a free agent, so Boston Rob got rid of the free agent and then Pagonged the other tribe. So it was as pure as possible with a RI twist.

Eh, I love a good Pagonging every once in a while. You have to really appreciate the amount of self-discipline and strategic and physical skill it takes to utterly dominate another tribe (assuming it's not Fans vs Favorites). Of course, I don't like every Pagonging. It really depends on who the tribe doing it is. Even then, I respect the ones that manage to pull it off even if I don't like them.

Pagongings are terrible as a viewer but if I ever get to play survivor I would want to do the pagonging

People think Pagongings are bad because it they think it means that players aren't actually playing the game, which isn't necessarily true. A Pagonging means that the players in the power position have done everything they need to, both socially and strategically, to keep their power position.

I actually used to think that it only counted as a pagonging when it was a “perfect” one as you say, pretty interesting to realize how much more frequent it was than i thought

This is why Marquesas was such an underrated season: because it was the first season to fail a Pagonging attempt. John Caroll of Rotu has all the power in the game at the Final 9: he had his alliance of four, plus Neleh and Pascal, and with that group of 6 it was clear Maraamu was screwed. But because of John’s own ego and cockiness, the 5 outsiders turned on the Rotu Four alliance and took them all out, making it the first season where the winner was sort of up in the air. It was also the first season where the final 2 was from two different tribes!

As much as it makes for a predictable watch, you can’t deny the strategic effectiveness of pagongings. I just hope the next season doesn’t have a pagonging.

Pagongings can be really entertaining at times, seeing the underdog go all the way to the end like in Vanuatu makes for great television. Similarly, when you have big characters like in Cook Islands and Heroes vs. Villains it can be enjoyable. When you see a one-man (or woman) show like in Borneo, Thailand, Palau, Redemption Island and One World though it can become a bit boring, but at least you can appreciate the winner for their dominance.

Although the pagonging is a predictable strategy, I find it very entertaining and very effective. The genius behind it cannot be denied! It provides a common enemy for every player so it makes sense for everyone to stay together even when in the long run it might not be the best idea for some players. Very few things bring people together like a common enemy.

The pseudo-pagonging from Panama was good for the show. Casaya was a much more interesting tribe anyway, and it made Terry's immunity run all the more impressive.

John Finchers Name is Mr. Parvati Shallow in the survivor community. 😅

Multiple Idols and advantages make the game so unstable that most people form smaller alliances. It's almost impossible to do a pangonging now.

I think it was David who said when Matt was voted out at Redemption Island after the merge "Genius is what that was". And it was certainly a genius move by Rob.

Merger is a real word, and was especially big in the 90's in businesses when Pagers were still a thing.

wow that \was great mate! Loved all the info. This video proves how great you are and your research! Huzzah! mate

Vanauatu is that much more poetic that Chris did physical honest work. A highway construction worker surviving a manocide to come out and win it what a legend.

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These videos unlocked some memories I had. I really forgot just how many shows and movies at the time would allude to Survivor and it’s fun reliving this again after not thinking about the show for a while

Which seasons came close to a pagonging but the other tribe let someone slip away? For example, Nakum screwed up in Guatemala by letting Danni slip past and winning the season instead of voting her out and finishing the pagonging.

I just need to thank you for making these. I have no easy access to the older seasons of survivor but i love learning about past characters and like to know who they are if they appear of future seasons. Thank you for making these

You should do a video explaining the difference between Pagongings and Ulongings

Tocantins' imperfect pagonging enhances the season for me because it is just SO fun to see Timbira implode on itself, it gives us the iconic dragonslayer, and Coach & Debbie at least ATTEMPT to get the numbers back on their side and take out the Jalapao 3 after the Tyson blindside (but they fail due to their poor treatment of Sierra and Erinn).

Nothing stops me from watching a season of Survivor faster then the words “Pagonging” and “All ___ Alliance”

It's fun to see i have alot of videos to watch now that i'm back from vacation ;) Though i should sleep first lol

If it's a comeback pagonging then it's way more interesting. Cause it shows a united under force who managed to beat the odds, especially if the lead was by two or more people cause it basically means they can't afford to make a mistake so it's super tense.

I mean, it makes sense. So long as you can get people to focus on the other tribe being the enemy instead of each other, your collective chances of victory go up, merger or no merger. Better to fight against six other people than against 13 or something.

The Redemption Island pagonging is my favorite just because of how helpless it was for the Zaps. There was literally nothing they could do to Rob's group, and watching them just kinda amusingly realizing how helpless they were was pretty funny.

We didn't have single Pagonging for 20 seasons, when in Survivor 44. The Tika 3 of Carson, Caroline and Yam yam, somehow navigated a 3 tribe merge. Where until the final 4 they didn't lose anyone, we almost had a three tribe pagong. I'll still count it since a Tika still won the season. Heidi making it to the end just made Yam yam win the game with no basically competition.

Yeah I think production has made it so pagonging would be almost impossible with survivor now. They saw the boring comments and thought let’s not have that happen again.

Interestingly one of the two seasons where a starting tribe is wiped out earliest isn't mentioned here. On only two seasons has a starting tribe been wiped out with the last player going in 7th, Palau with Ulong and Cagayan with pre-swap Solana (Savaii was also wiped out at 7 but Ozzy came back).

I liked the moving block voting of Cambodia. Imagine trying to stay on top of things that season!!! Nobody even knew Jeremy ran the whole thing till he won 😂😂😂😂😂 perfectly done.

23:31 Wait, Kim had options? I didn't even notice, she should have said something!

I love the tribes that pagong the other tribe , I recpect the tribe decimating another tribe and seeing the other tribe fall over like dominoes

What started to really annoy me about Palau that so many people are nowadays saying how bad the Ulong tribe was, while the truth is that it was Koror being strong. But the weakness and Strength was mostly on strategic level and teamplay. Yes, Ulong screwed many times on decision making and instead of cooperation they almost negated each other sometimes. But it was Koror work ethic and leadership that truly shined and destroyed Ulong tribe in a way we never seen before. Another point. Not sure if something can be considered to be an entry to this list, if the 'destroyer' tribe sole survivor wins the whole show 😀Truly women ended up being their own worst enemy on that season :-D

20:40 I relate to that intensely

At some point I'm going to find a way to afford the $1 or $5 or whatever it is a month for your patreon lol I have soooooo many good Survivor/BB video ideas that I haven't seen the other channels do.

The “fake merge” in Thailand is one of the biggest troll move this show has ever done and I like to think the producers copied Shinji Hashimoto’s fave after he “trolled” everyone with the reveal that the PC version of FFVII is coming to PS4 xD

Also Shii-Ann's immunity win disrupted a pagonging 👑

I love your videos. Keep them coming! 😁 I don’t think Pagongings are fun or entertaining to watch. Does anyone else agree?

“He’s no mike Tyson … he’s Brett “ 15:21

So like I really love exact-words lies. But like. The trick to making exact words lies work is that your reveal of it has to highlight the things that shouldn't quite make sense. In Vanuatu, Jeff is like "Did I say anything that made you think you were merging?" And it's like yeah, Jeff. You DID say things that made them think they're merging. You gotta play it off more like "Oh, I see how you got the wrong idea from that, but I did say..." He should have played off the "Our merge went well" more like "Well, I'm glad it went well, that's exactly what we hoped for. That should mean that when we actually merge the tribes, it should be a pretty smooth transition." Then at the response be like "It sounds like I wasn't clear. I didn't give out new merch or a new name. And I DID say we were trying something new. We've done merges on every season. I didn't say you were merging. You're just sharing the beach." Like, the trick is to make the response not be "You son of a bitch" but "Awww, shit, that was clever!"

6:09 Lol that is when she knew she messed up

for me watching one world was brutal as kim is from my hometown and to see oneworld as my second season watch blew my mind at the time as seeing the men get voted out got predictable yet fun to see them get taken out one after another due.

If international versions had any examples, the All-Stars season of Australian Survivor had a Pagonging of the minority alliance post-merge

Drinking challenge, take a shot every time he says Pagonging.

The Matsing tribe in Philippines was so close to getting to this point

6:22 Clay with his mouth wide open getting slapped in the face by Ted

Gosh Thailand was such a garbage season and the fake merge screwing Shii Ann, the only likeable player of the entire season's cast, was the worst ever.

i seem to love pagoings because i love seeing a survivor player playing a dominating game. But ofcourse other players must play the game and should not wait to be told who should they vote for

Am I the only one who strongly suspects this guy has never heard the word "merger" outside of this show?

Bro the heroes should have given to idk Sandra the girl that had her alliance voted out and on the outside like I was so pissed

By far my favourite Pagoning is the first Mens Vs. Women. Mostly because it's a fake out. You think the women will just steamroll the men but thankfully they choose to turn on each other so Chris is able to make it to the end and save a potentially boring season into one of my favoruites. The worst by far is the season of Boston Rob. His pure control over his tribe while impressive leaves the season super dull once the merge hits and I never once thought he could actually lose the season.

It’s cute how Rob is known as Boston Rob even when there are no other Bobs playing. 😂😂

I dont mind it expectly if the team I like is in the numbers. Sometimes it can get boring but I have a good time either way

But does it include the ulong tribe (ulonging)

one of the things that truly makes Palau the unique season that it is and stands today: a blowout Pagonging yet memorable season. If we use the Palau metrics shouldn’t Peal Islands be included as well? We lose the entire Morgan tribe while Drake loses only Burton pre-merge(r)

So, does Tocantins count as a near-perfect Pagoning? After Joe was medevac, everyone voted out was from Timbira until Taj who got 4th place, and Erinn was voted out after.

I won't say pagonings are always boring, however, they do nearly destroy the watchablility of a season.

I think the South Pacific Pagonging should count as a pure and perfect Pagonging, if only because it was impossible to vote for him, AND he was voted off immediately after. If even one more person had gone out before him, then maybe, but I still count it as pure and perfect, because they did eliminate all of them as soon as they could, only deviating when they had no choice.

Pretty surprised you didnt mention All Stars as Chapera kind of just dominated the entire game

Kat wasn't targeted because she was "strong in challenges." She was targeted because everyone was pissed at Kat for taking Kim and Alicia on the family reward instead of Tarzan and Christina. Kim didn't even want Kat to be voted out there.

11:04 You made an error here, Cook Islands is Season 13, 3 seasons after Palau

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Legit question: why does Galu count as a pagonging but Timbira does not?

What about these three seasons? Survivor: All-Stars. You could say there was a pagonging even though the tribes were originally split into three tribes. After the merge, the plan was to eliminate all the original Mogo-Mogo members. But then Shi-Ann won immunity and that forced the original Chapera members to vote out Alicia. But then Shi-Ann was voted out the next vote and then the Chapera members had to turn on each other. Survivor: Exile Island. You could say there was a pagonging even though the tribes were originally split into four tribes (for 2 days). Once the merge hit, the Casya members eliminated three of the remaining La Mina members except for Terry because he kept winning immunity. When he finally lost, he was voted out. Survivor: Tocantins. After the merge, the three original Jalapao members with the help of Erin eliminated all the original Timbira members, but then voted out Taj before Erin.

Vanuatu was a pagonging of the men and then it was a reverse where the women were picked off instead of the men

You forgot All Stars, which was essentially a Pagonging but with the last boot being delayed a round due to an immunity win. Speaking of which, the common fan name for a sort of Pagonging but with a few breaks in between to eliminate outsiders within the majority is a Kucha-ing. Seasons with Kucha-ings: Australian Outback Africa Exile Island (technically a Pagonging with the last pick off delayed til Final 3 due to a ridiculous immunity run) China HHH (with the Healers)

What about All Stars?

You forgot survivor tocantins.. almost perfect Pongoning as well..

You forgot about Panama!

I'm glad they swap tribes up when something like this happens now. It can be fun to watch for the first 2 weeks or so, but then it just becomes such an obvious snowball that it gets kind of lame. When one tribe is down 3-4 members against the other, you kind of know exactly how the challenges are gonna go. They have extra hands to make camp life much easier, and they can give some members of their tribe much needed breaks during the less important challenges. In the early seasons when they didn't give every contestant a plethora of medical checks and vitamins on a daily basis, sitting out your strongest during a reward challenge so they could carry in the immunity was a huge brain strat. Being able to save that energy for the more important challenge is lowkey unfair. It's not quite as prevalent anymore *because* of all the daily vitamins the players get to keep their energy up, but steamrolls still happen and I'm glad they swap it up now. It makes for a boring season usually.

Wb Naviti Strong in Ghost Island?

What about Australian Outback?

No offense, but who roots for the team doing the pagonging

How are seasons 2 and 3 not Pagongings?

A Pagoning is cool. And Ulonging is NOT.

The most entertaining pagonging is samoa for sure

2023: Gervas is now 90% sure there was a Tagi alliance.

I think if Vanuatu is a pagonging so is Guatemala

If I were on the majority tribe, I would try really hard to ruin a Pagonging and take out threats instead.

To Pagong or not to Pagong... That is the question... ( Well, it's better TO Pagong the other tribe )

basically MANIFEST DESTINY 😎

Huh i thought more people whold watch it faster

Vanuatu is my favorite season for this "Anti-Pagong" reason. Chris is the last man standing with the women determined to ensure one of their own wins, and they easily have the majority. But he held on, truly earning the title of sole survivor.

I don't mind pagongings. The person at the top of the hierarchy of the dominant tribe is doing super work to make it happen. This doesn't get enough credit and sappy audiences over-rate unsuccessful underdogs.

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I get it was the first season and strategy trends had not really been established yet in Survivor, but my god do the Pagong tribe come off as idiots here. 3 of your own people go down to the same 4 "mysterious" votes and you think "there might be an alliance but IDK" are you serious?

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