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“Grant me a warriors death… I beg of you.” Oh yes, what a great honourable Klingon tale it would be: “He died, after failing a surprise attack and begging to his enemies.”

Lore Reloaded: The Klingons transport into the middle of the bridge and are surrounded!? Klingons: Excellent! Now we can fire in all directions!

"Our shuttle bay was shielded by the superstructure from your attack. In the 24th Century, even shuttles have transporters." At this point the Klingon commander would yield, not even having considered such a breakthrough. Excellent breakdown.

They are always losing power, except when they can't cut power. I never understood why the shuttles were forgotten about during a power crisis. Couldn't they at least find haven in a shuttle, use the shuttles sensors, transporters, plug them as a battery for auxiliary power? I find myself screaming at the screen at this point.

After Janeway already knew that the Klingons were religious extremists who left during a time of hate between the Federation and the Klingons, she decided to transport 200 of them into the cargo bays. A couple of Starfleet security officers were posted, and the Klingons were allowed to live in normal quarters. Even if these had been standard Klingons, that's just ridiculous.

Not to mention that the klingon body "armor" equipped to their warriors is so completely unfit for service that it proves Incapable of repelling an assault from an empty human fist 😑

I would think going to yellow alert at the first sign of a security issue might be a good idea to become standard protocol. with shields up they wouldnt be able to transport anyone anywhere

One basic thing that would be very obvious is that 23rd Century Klingons shouldn't be able to operate any of the 24th Century Voyager's equipment at all, not only because the almost one hundred years difference in technology development between the two antagonizing factions, but also because Federation and Klingon technology differs given that they were not allies at the moment in time when the generational ship left the quadrant. It would be like a 1940's WW2 German or Japanese destroyer crew been able to operate the equipment of a modern Arleigh Burke destroyer just because all these vessels share the same designation (destroyer / light cruiser). In reality those crew from the past would be unable to understand the slightest command of a modern ship (high tech, computer driven issues). For them, a modern vessels would be almost be alien like (what the heck is an OS ? what do they mean by log-in ? What are these very big flat screens for ? Where are the buttons - are they in the screen ? - touch screens , etc)

The problem is, first time they say "our shuttles have transporters as well" you get us at home realize that 60%+ of all start trek episodes can be solved with a people who take shifts in a shuttle airlocked, with physical wires that run to every deck for communication and normal radios, a big switch on the holideck that manually turns them off, a requirement that all crewmen get a second transporter beam on them on off planet beam out that they hold in the buffer and "bring back" and dead crewmen, and a backup of the ships computer that nhey can restore remotely from cargo bay. That'd solve like 60% of story lines. No one uses the shuttles transporters because star fleet is too dumb to ever think of it....

As a kid I loved this show, as an adult o think the first changes I would have made in Janeway's place was to have arms placed in easy reach on the bridge and engenering. Then have engineering work out a way to protect engineering, medical and the bridge from unauthorized transports. And assign a security detail permanently to those 3 locations. At the very least this should have been done after what happened with seska and the Kazon

Most of the d7’s would have undergone the “K’tinga” refit which is why we see them in ds9 Being identified as a D7 would be the Kirk era which is why the “retired decades ago “

5:48 - They only did a dialogue between Paris and Janeway, because with Kim and Tuvok off the bridge there were no other main characters - thus no other actors in speaking roles. It’s a “cheat” by the directors, to ensure they didn’t have to pay any extras for a speaking part. TNG had a bigger budget, so could pay for, say, Ensign Gates or another minor bridge officer to have that kind of brief speaking part. This wasn’t the case with Voyager. I know LR doesn’t wanna tell it like it is, here. But given he brings up “small budget show” at the beginning of this video, it is worth mentioning 😜

When phaser fire was noticed, why didn't Tuvok lock down the transporters?

There's some duplication of scenes around the 9:30-10:00 mark.

It's fun to rewatch Trek after having been active duty and seeing how off the writers can be in terms of how the military might actually operate.

D-7's were retired.... being 'retired' though doesn't mean stopped being used. in this case they were retired from the "Klingon defense force". but they were still used by the great houses, usually the less wealthy of the great houses. When wars break out, the great houses would donate what ships they had... for status... that being said... yes they were retired from "active" service... but not scrapped.

TOS Enterprise had an intruder control system with anesthezine gas, and in the Animated Series the bridge had an automated defense phaser system.

I think there was an editing mishap, you played the part about transporters in TNG and weapons on the bridge twice

The one bit of leyway I would grant is in the Klingon's stormtrooper aim. They're using Starfleet phasers that are circa 100years more modern than anything they will have ever seen from Starfleet and so aren't familiar with aiming and firing the weapon. The way a 24th century Starfleet phaser is held and gripped is visually very, very different from 23rd century ones and are much smaller, and so probably lighter and differently balanced to older Starfleet or any Klingon hand-held weapon. It's only a crumb, but there is an element of logic to the sh*tty aim.

Phasers on the bridge post Dominion spotting makes sense... at the time Starfleet couldn't block Dominion transporters and the last thing you want is to have the bridge crew unable to defend themselves from surprise beam-in of Jem'hadar soldiers

I was always disappointed when they encountered someone who would make an interesting addition, but by the end they get swept away or ignored.

When u compele voragers witeing to discovery its acully hit really good writing

Regarding D7s showing up in this era, there are definitely D7M-class/K’t’inga-class ships present at the Klingon attack on DS9. Perhaps Paris was merely referring to original D7 spaceframes and not any of the newer versions like the D7M

The tactics used in this episode anger me as a marine, as a law enforcement officer, as private security officer, and as an instructor. It's like failure to the 4th power.

That would be the best one liner ever, 'You forgot our shuttles have transporters too.'

The Klingons are not from the 23rd century. They might have those ideals and perspectives but they were not in stasis.

As far as the Klingons transporting into the middle of the bridge vs sending a warrior to different parts of the bridge, I'm thinking given these Klingons are from another era of Klingon tech I thought it was TOS era when they left the Empire, so maybe Klingons of that time didn't have the ability to spread their troops out via the transporter. We see enough evidence from ST the search for Spock as the Klingons always so bunched up after transporting and even in the battle of DS9 the Klingons seemed to not transport their troops out better. And given these forces were only at these Federation consoles for a few minutes that wasn't enough time for them to figure out all the tricks of Federation transporters.

Plot twist: Tom didn't know how to cut the power so just didn't exaggerate

Also forgot , why can’t the crew on the surface just call the ship directly and have it beam them back aboard , we see this done in ds9 with the runabouts lol

I totally forgot about this episode. Excellent analysis.

The shuttle crafts with their worp engines, weapons and transporters are far to often over looked and forgotten.

Whenever I hear about how great Klingon warriors are, I picture all the times they've been double-fist slammed by blue shirts.

The "one way" shield thing may not be an issue. Star Trek shields have to be able to have a "one way - in or out" setting otherwise their ship's own weapons wouldn't do anything but hit that ship's shields and maybe bounce back the energy. Phasers and Photon Torpedos have to be able to pass the through the shields, mostly while in battle when the shields would be set to maximum power - so they must have a way of either giving them a way to fire out through the shield bubble or by opening small holes in the shields to let phaser blasts and torpedoes through. The firing hole thing seems like it would be very difficult to do - phaser arrays change directions so easily that they would have to move each hole over wide arcs while also opening other holes for other weapons to fire at the same time. Plus they would let in radiation and other forms of scattered energy (and matter like shrapnel) just do the random nature of space battles.

Benefit of the doubt, maybe they did badly in the gunfight because the phasers are an unfamiliar design and use to them. That's potentially why their accuracy is so poor. Kind of falls apart when these guys are smart and adaptive enough to teleport a ships worth of crew away in minutes and block the bridge from disabling the transporter, but eh... Also, how the heck did Harry not get knocked out in seconds within arms reach of a Klingon? Aren't they supposed to be far stronger than humans? Not that it matters much I guess, the Klingon assault team gets stomped even harder with Tuvok on the bridge, but I guess slowshot security one and two probably get taken out for drama.

Klingon soldiers easily defeat Starfleet hairdressers.

There was also supposed to have computer activated security measures. such as phasers on the bridge...

Starfleet: Constantly under attack but never really prepared for it.

For the D-7, it makes sense for them to be long decomissioned. Those were, if I remember right, they were being replaced with the TOS movies

These Klingons had not encountered the Vidians who would have become their allies after the Klingons provided a cure for the Phage disease.

As for why Security didn't shoot at the transporter pad, I'm sure that there is dialogue from Miles, saying not to shoot at the transporter as it could ricochet inside, and implying that it would cause serious damage to everyone in there. I can’t remember if it was TNG or DS9. But, I seem to recall that it was a scene with Riker.

I think it would only make sense that the captain would be able to give a simple voice command to lock all transporter activity until further notice just in case this kind of stuff happens

eginerring should always have shields up during read alert or intruder alert

Security shouldn't have concentrated on any specific person when they entered the transporter room, instead they should have set their phaser to a wide beam and knocked out the whole room in one swoop. From a story telling perspective this technology was a really bad idea ...

I've also been a bit annoyed with the way shields and transporters are depicted, and how the rules change as needed by the writers. I get that it's a small thing that doesn't destroy the ability to enjoy the episode, but it's a million small details like that, all together and making sense, that make a truly great episode. It can be especially rewarding when things are previously explained to work a certain way, and that pays off, by having that specific function play a key role in a future story making sense. Respecting cannon and lore, and using it properly, elevates the story and it's absence or misuse can undo it. I've always enjoyed voyager, not as much as TNG or DS9, but it's a solid show that's backed by a great concept. I feel like it could have been so much better however, if the writers stuck more to logical consistency when making episodes. Instead it's just hard resets and the start of each episode, and an increasing number of "wait a minute....what?" moments as the series goes on. Still, I'd pay a lot of money to watch a show like Voyager today, instead of what new trek offers.

The "our shuttles have transporters" would ruin a large portion of Voyager and TNG.

This is so reminding me of the Stargate SG-1 episode "200".

Wow, very thorough breakdown. I haven’t watched this episode in over a decade; gonna need to rewatch

Ops and tactical have been shown to always have a phaser behind them on voyager

The real question is why it is the security officers from the bridge who had to go to the transporter room. There had to be some who where stationed closer and who where guarding something less important? Also turbolifts can go horizontal, so why could it not stop next to the transporter room?

One thing not mentioned is the continuity error: Tuvok was being hit by a phaser on the Bridge, when he's supposed to still be in the Transporter Room. He got back to the Bridge awfully fast!

If I was the Captain of a ship I would tons of protocols in place for these types of events. The second phaser fire is detected in the transporter room, that room and all adjacent rooms are flooded with knockout gas. What could go wrong? You accidentally knock them out on a false alarm? Better that then a take over. Then there's things like hiding phasers everywhere, like 3 under every console, behind bulkheads, etc, especially the cargo bay where they typically hold prisoner the crew (if they don't transport them.) At the very least they should automatically cut power to anywhere the instant anything suspicious happens.

And this is why I continue to maintain the the SGC would absolutely curbstomp Starfleet in a fight. 21st-century military tactics versus the ridiculously bad tactics of Starfleet. Not even a fight.

Your looking over the fact voyager left with a skeleton crew they are short handed big time probably explains the lack of security

You'd think that due to the ease of transporting people on and off the ship there would be some sort of inhibitor preventing unauthorised transports and in the 24th century they don't have a thing called biometric scanners to stop someone from operating such a critical piece of equipment?

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The bridge beam in is logical to the klingons. klingon bridges have the captain in the middle and the staff around the outside with their backs to the captain. so you would beam into the middle to get the drop on them.

If the Starship has a security team. It would make sense to have 6 guys on "rapid Response" at all times. Meaning that if the ship is boarded the security is ready to go ASAP.

What was also idiotic was the D7 attack on Voyage. Any sensors would show them they were out classed. Instead they should have whistled and slipped on by.

Expecting passable writing on Voyager is just too much

The little things matter because it affects the suspension of disbelief.

I would like to know in the final episode endgame how they end up inside the sphere and never discussed

I thought the consoles from TNG on were configurable for any duty station, and required fingerprint/ DNA to prevent unauthorized access.

I may be wrong but in the episode of DS9 where martok commands a ship for the first time since returning from incarceration, they are going to try and save a d-7. I believe it was a d-7. Would have to rewatch to be sure.

It's back! Watching while I can...

"Mr. Tuvok, today's events have shown me that we have become so accustomed to fighting Kazon and Hirogen hunters, that we were woefully unprepared for a ragtag group of old school Klingons. I don't want to be caught this flat footed again. Bring me a report on all the areas where we failed by the end of the week. Your findings will be our starting point for mandatory monthly combat training." Episode fixed.

Voyager would have been totally boned if the Queen follows through on her threat to beam a bunch of drones over to Voyager considering how poorly the crew did against Klingons with COVID.

May need a separate, dedicated channel for rewrites of Voyager. That's a big undertaking.

I'm sure that's not the only time we have seen Tom, and the rest of the crew have weapons at their stations. Usually at Security, Operations and Con, we see them grab phasers in bridge firefights!

They never use the shuttle transporters. I hate that.

Hi I'd just like to point out that at 9:22 the video repeats part of itself from earlier on.

Paris may not have been wrong, from a particular point of view. The D7-class, if the K'Tinga-class is considered a separate class, would have been retired decades ago. During the TOSMP eras, the K'Tinga was shown but that wouldn't necessarily mean that the Klingons completely retired the D7 as Klingons are known for being resistant to changing their ships (as we have seen with the long-term use of the B'rel and K'vort classes). The final decommissioning of the original D7-type (or the final D7 being refit ito a K'Tinga) would likely have occurred before the introduction of the Vor'cha-class battlecruiser as having the K'Tinga as the backbone of the fleet would have made the Empire quite weak by that time. I think that Paris was 100% correct when he said that they were decomissioned decades prior. I personally don't see them as separate classes. I see the K'tinga the same way that I see the Constitution Refit (which was once referred to as the "Enterprise-class") but Paris may see them differently.

this episode has a great concept but messy execution at best.

9:30 I'm getting deja vu deja vu. And I'm not sure, but I don't think it's the first time this has happened. (I'm not 100% memeing, I don't think the clip I pointed out is the only one that got repeated in the video but like hell am I rewatching just to find it. That's not something I can scrub for.)

This is theorycraft, but it's something that's making me think about how double-extra silly it is that the Klingons are just standing in the open. See, most (human, anyway) people aren't natural killers, and in any sort of military or similar organization, this is a big problem, because while you can teach a recruit to line up sights on a weapon and fire at an inanimate target, in combat, they'll use that same drilled skill to line up their sights and fire... over the heads of actual hostile targets. Because it's *hard* to shoot at someone you know is probably going to die as a result, it's a miserable, disgusting feeling. So phasers: they are frequently set on stun. And yeah, while I can get into the questionable wisdom of having both less-lethal and lethal in the same weapon system (a live/die switch is kind of a bad idea, better to just use a separate weapon), consider how most people in Starfleet are taught to shoot on stun in all but the most dire situations, because it really does work on basically all known hominid targets. You've removed the consequence of killing from the equation successfully, and dislodged that mental block. There's no reason why every single person on the bridge wouldn't be ripping off shots directly at the center mass with no fear, especially because they're shooting at Klingons, who tend to be tougher than most and presumably aren't as vulnerable to cracking their skulls or breaking their necks on a hard fall. If they were sensible, the Klingons would be diving toward waist-high cover pieces like Gears of War characters. Instead, they took excited particles directly to the junk and back-bumped like the professional wrestling jobbers they were. Sometimes they issue a warrior a batt'leth that's just a squeak toy, and he doesn't even notice it. As a joke.

the ' Storm trooper aim" can be explained by the klingons maybe not being familiar with the newer starfleet phasers that did not exist when they left home so to speak. or maybe they they just suck.

Why is it that every alien just know how to read and use Starfleet computers, terminals and fly Starfleet ships? Starfleet personnel on the hand fumble when it's their turn to use non-Federation tech...mind-boggling.

What's the point of a transporter pad anyway when you can transport form anywhere in the ship? Like dose percard just think "I'm ganna walk halfway though the ship cus why not" every time

the D7 the first version was not used until the final days of the war and then only under the name of the refit of the class

That Phaser in the con has been used a few times.

They failed to explain that it was an older D7 from a batch that had been retired.

Did no-one else notice how that crewman at tactical, suddenly turned into Tuvok when hit by the phaser beam?

There is a very simple thing that should have prevented the Klingons from doing ... anything.. with the transporters on this And by very simple I mean a computer 'if' statement as a security precaution, it goes a bit like this 'if' phaser fire detected in room, lock all computer terminals in that room and around that section this would require reentering a command code for the normal crew to get back to work afterwords it would however prevent intruders from using the systems there...

There are examples of the D7 in the Dominion War, but there's no reason to think they weren't pulled out of mothballs after decades of retirement, and there's just no way anyone on board Voyager would know about that.

shows Klingons are more muscle then brains they attack like mindless dogs and fail epically at fighting to take over voyager

Voyager is stranded in the Delta quadrant. The crew has a lot better things to do than stand all day in one location and guard random rooms in case anything ever happens. There probably are people designated to guard in an altert situation, but this is a surprise attack.

I severely lack cpt. Picard to illuminate us more about Starfleet overall mission.

Not to mention that average Klingons wouldn't even be able to READ English or whatever language StarFleet uses. Even if they are smart enough to figure out the touch screens, how would they use them when they can't read anything? Same issue In "Star Trek: The Voyage Home": how did Kirk and company know how to use the Bird Of Prey's flight control systems? Granted they have had that one funny scene at the end of "Search for Spock" with Sulu and Scotty trying to figure out the controls - but how did they fly it to Vulcan? Normally, I'd say that Spock probably understood Klingon and could figure out the ship - but he wasn't even conscious on the trip back from the Genesis Planet. Uhura, who would have been able to read Klingon, wasn't on the ship yet but on Vulcan. I guess once they made it to Vulcan, they upgraded the ship to standard StarFleet command and control systems of that era, like the did the food synthesizers, and then managed to fly it to Earth and do the time warp thing. But how did they fly an enemy warship to Vulcan and not get stopped by StarFleet or Vulcan local defenses? Did they just use the cloaking system?

yeah found this whole thing kinda odd too, as there was better boarding tactics stuff before this in star strek.

Good writing costs less than effects and sets. But doesn't affect ratings and box office as much.

Well the old D7 kind of laid a beat down on Voyager there.

the Klingons used 23rd century attack techniques

far fewer plot holes than the original in the rewrite! my feeling is, they beamed into engineering as well, just off screen... it's the only way it makes sense, probably, the bridge blocks all enemy transporters, but not those which are related to the ship's own, and other friendly systems... a lot of hoops, but it kind of headcannon this battle to make sense.

These were not Klingons from the 23rd century. Their ship was but they were descendants of 23rd century Klingons they might have learnt a thing or two during their voyage to the delta quadrant

In all honesty given their situation and the last 7yrs Voyager should have come home with a far more militarized mindset.

Couldn''t cut power to transporters due to transport in progress possibly

Paris is wrong about the Klingon ship on two accounts. Firstly it K'tinga not a D7 and secondly there were D7s at the Battle of DS9 in The Way of the Warrior.

I thought that at this point the klingon ship was destroyed. That's why they were on the ship.

Why not surround the transporter rooms with a force fields?

the moment that Klingon tried to energize the transporter, *it* would have locked itself out. a random Klingon from the 23rd century can't possibly operate a brand new Federation vessel from the 24th century. you try hopping onto a random modern airliner and turning the headlights on, let alone taking off. now imagine a man from the 1800's even *looking* at a modern Airbus. It's not happening.