Yes, those giant electric arcs are very stealthy. Same with the constant hovering noise.

but, the way they are used in this universe is pretty much the same, it was meant not to Attack sentinels but avoid them by sneaking, and in the worst case Emp, at the end the turrets end up useless against swarms

​@@RED-WEAPONthe eletric arcs are a problem but the ship doesnt make too much noise because the hammer only got caught in revolutions becase one of the arcs hit some junk

I figure after the old world there are thousands of not more scavangable hovercraft around the planet they could hull over to zion and leave lying around conveniently. Wouldn't take much effort to enforce the facade since they were all made at the same time period.

You are correct, hovercraft technology was originally created by 01(machine city) from before the human-machine war and they actually sold it to human nations(this included stuff like flying cars). Their technological and manufacturing edge was a good excuse for jealous and failing human empires to band together and attack 01. Not sure if this is a retcon but in the first movie it shows the Nebuchadnezzar was created in the USA in 2069, which is most likely not possible as 01 didnt exist yet and i'm pretty sure hovercraft technology also didn't either, hovercraft tech only came after 01 was created in the very late 21st century-early 22nd century.

@@Drex... Just because one place invents something, doesn't preclude it from being built, copied or refined elsewhere, just look at what China does today for an example. Not to mention things can be bought from one place, taken apart and utilized in another. For instance in ancient Rome, silks would come in from China from the long trade route between the two, They would often be taken apart, thread by thread, in order for the Romans to weave their own clothes from the threads. (very time consuming, but that was the only way for them to do it during the period it happened in) Also, while I remember the part in the Animatrix showing the production of cars with those pads on them and the assembly of one of the pads. I cannot remember anything saying specifically that they were developed after the machines sequestered themselves into 01. Without something stating as much, it is entirely possible for either a) them being invented by machines prior to 01's founding, b) invented by humans in a rough perhaps even proof of concept state and then made into practical devices by the machines. I got the distinct idea that it had been tech that actually predated the construction of 01, though not by long. Created either by the machines themselves, or by the machines while still under the thumb of humanity. At least, that is my memory of it. It has been awhile since I watched The Second Renaissance or any other part of the Animatrix for that matter. I do have the Animatrix up near the top of my list of things to rewatch atm, so if you could provide some more specifics as to when they show the origin of the pads themselves (like I said, I remember the assembly parts, I just cannot remember a part showing their invention), I would appreciate it. That is, if it is indeed from the Animatrix...... If not, I would be interested in learning where the info comes from. All that said, even when the it was just the first movie out, I have always found that builders plate to be rather suspect. I forget the exact line, but there is that one line where Morpheus is talking to Neo and he says that he doesn't know the actual date, then says two numbers and admits he doesn't know which is easier to believe. This idea is only reinforced by that obtuse conversation with the Architect later on. I simply think those builders plates are lies, left by the machines for the purpose of deceit and confusion. They could actually be builders plates made by humans, used in something else, then repurposed by the machines. All it says is mark, number, name, where it was made, year it was made. Not one bit of the info on them, proves they were originally made for the hovercraft. So perhaps they are from something that does literally predate the actual invention of the pads. fun additional thought: The plate itself is a reference to Mark chapter 3 verse 11 (MARK III No.11 is the top line on it) which says "And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God." Just one of the bazillion references to the bible in the movie. edit: btw, just a thought, if the pads were invented in the "late 21st century" a year close to 2070, as 2069 is, could easily be considered "late 21st century" as the term "late" is rather subjective. Though 2069 on its own has special meaning to a human for it is the 100th anniversary of Apollo 11 landing on the moon. edit 2: one other thing about those plates, I looked up images of them, and for the plate on the Nebuchadnezzar, there is _something_ after the A in the line "MADE IN THE USA" though I cannot tell what it is, it might just be a wrinkle or something since the rest of the plate is not smooth. But it appears to have the same gold layer on it that is used for the surface of the letters that make up the surface of the rest of the plate. You can see it in this video at 3:52 it is why I looked up images of the plate.

@@whyjnot420 looking at it. it could be an I in which case I can only think of it standing for United States of Artificial Intelligence. and if it is an I it would make the machines making tjem all the more a punch to the nose that people don't look at

@@cailco100 It could also be from a fractured United States, like in the 1860s with the USA and CSA. But that is a totally random guess.... it could just be the light and an imperfection in the plate. Your suggestion is quite nice though, I like it.

That applies with real life military systems too. I've read someone that keeping tracked of marked targets is easier than 'marking' a target. Many modern systems rely on breaking radar and other tracking software and being able to strike first in hit and run operations.

What if Mankind actually left for Mars taking all the resources, leaving blackened sky so that machines can't follow them, leading to machines rely on already enslaved humans for their sustenance, leading to a vicious cycle.

Short answer: Yes Long answer: No. Unfortunately, there's the giant black clouds that block out the sun, and in the 3rd movie they're shown to be able to knock out a hovercraft before it reaches space. If the clouds were gone, however, then it is perhaps possible IF and only if the hovercraft will be able to reach escape velocity

Pretty sure the machines wouldnt allow that. If one of the big reasons for locking humanity in the matrix is for survival, giving the humans their own planet would basically start a cold war. "what if the humans become afraid of their own shadows again and decide to nuke mars?"

@@ragingultimate1003 in the comments I said what if it's because the storm the hovercrafts only work

If you can get it to 7 km a second, then yes. Ironically, 8 km a sec will take you anywhere in the galaxy, if you're patient. It's getting off the planet that's the really hard part.

by then they probably have the game Halo: 50

Final Flight of the Osiris from the Animatrix

Animatrix

I also think that was the point, a simulation constantly updating itself.

Its from the Animatrix, a cartoon version of the matrix, containing many short stories, I would recommend watching it to understand the context of the Matrix better. It tells you how the sky is blacked out and how humanity was enslaved by the machines. :)

i could imagine that they are based on old world human designes or simple copies of crafts from previous wars. Would make sense as a backup safety in case someone gets supsicious or might discover blueprints from old world so that it would match up with the engineering behind the craft

The Machines created the Hoverpads and Hover technology. Some of the ships were presumably made during the 1st Machine War. The Mnemosyne was made by the machines in the 2200's.

It may be because no natter what they do they are still stuck in the matrix.

It's sci-fi, so it's hardly something that should be of concern. But if you want a possible explanation, the hoverpads could just be very powerful super-conductor electromagnets, considering that most of the surfaces are metallic and the crafts seem to have a limited max altitude it's possible they're just using magnetic levitation. Then again, one would have to return to the Source to know more details :)

@@Maddock_ Yeah, all it really needs is to remain logical within the fake world it inhabits and to remain consistent. Its like arguing over what vampires or zombies would do.... people love to forget that they have to constrain the discussion into one particular work of fiction or another. Which I admit, is pretty easy to forget about when you are in the middle of a really fun argument about a zombie apocalypse. edit: I would argue that the best sci-fi offers explanations of their tech that make them seem plausible rather than just handwaving them away and making them effectively space magic. Explanations do not have to be technobabble though, it can be done with visuals as well.

@@Maddock_ I would just like to point out that in the trailer for The Matrix Resurrections, it shows one of the hovercraft attaining what looks to be a substantial altitude. Of course this has little context as it is in a trailer. Also what one considers a "reasonable" max altitude is fairly subjective as this is speculative at best. But it did occur to me that it was worth mentioning.

The hovercraft do make sense in current physics. Majority of the earth is covered in metal. Given the outer Hull and pads are metal as well and give off strong bolts of electricity, there is grounds to assume its electromagnetism used to "hover".

Zion Gate Control was their own seperate thing, not connected to the Matrix, like the training simulations on the Hovercraft.

Yes, so the solution to getting 99% of humanity to accept the Matrix was to give them a subconcious choice to accept or reject it - inevitably a small number would reject it, the machines would then allow them to leave and form Zion under the illusion that they were outside of the web of influence. The machines would allow this 'rebellion' to get to a certain size and then exterminate it, then start the cycle all over again.

yep

They made a short prequel describing the first war

They made a series of OVA animations en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Animatrix

The Animatrix. It's 9 shorts, not a single feature length film.

Well yeah but only one of them was relevant

25 were just the ones originally freed. They kept freeing more people the machines grew. In one hundred years they would only have to freeone person a day to get to that number.

It’s inevitable that a small percentage of the trapped humans would free themselves and rebel, so instead of fighting a rebellion that you have no control over, why not create a way for the rebels to always end up in an environment and system that you created so they are still under your control while they themselves think they’re free. I don’t like the movies that much past the first one but that makes a lot of sense, especially if you’re a machine, trick your rebel slaves into believing they’re free when I reality they’re just in another kind of prison that you still have control over.

@@MassimoMSSR I still think that is not necessary. Even if the humans woke up from the matrix, how would they survive with atrophied muscles, etc. Basically, it was b.s. that the architect was trying to deceive Neo with. Also, Neo had special powers outside the matrix, proving he was legit.

​@@grantmccoy6739 Interestingly, regarding Neo's special powers in the real world, there are some interpretations that I heard which are quite interesting, the ''free world'' where Neo and all the other freed humans woke up and where the people of Zion live, is just another Matrix made to deceive the free humans in believing they are free, and apparently that's why Neo was able to use powers like he used in the main matrix. Don't know how exactly that adds up since it's been a while that I've seen anything but that would also be interesting.

@@MassimoMSSR it's possible, but it would mean that the machines would just be complicating their simulation. It's not advantageous in any way, unless the machines have personalities capable of flaws, and they found pleasure or something like that.

@@grantmccoy6739 The movies state that the simulation was too perfect during the first attempts, and entire harvests were lost because the minds of the humans rebelled and became incompatible with the Matrix. Therefore, this hypothetical secondary Matrix which contains the free world and Zion could exist as a repository that satisfies particularly distrustful and paranoid humans by seeming real and bleak enough and giving them a sense of having escaped when they actually haven't.

Quite in contrary