THE MCLAMBO TEST! The Story of the McLaren-Lamborghini Engine Test (1993)

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Aidan Millward

Aidan Millward

2 жыл бұрын

For 1993, Honda and McLaren ended their successful partnership, leaving McLaren with underpowered customer Ford Engines for 1993, and a star driver looking for more world championship titles to achieve racing immortality and to match the bar set by Fangio.
But while the MP4/8 was a good car to drive, the engine was about 80hp down on the Renaults in the back of the Williams cars, and when the Williams came on strong mid season, Senna was left wanting. Specifically, wanting a Williams.
So enter Chrysler, who wanted to help them out, but Ron Dennis had some other ideas...
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@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
God knows what I've had a reaction to, but I'm redder than Mike Caughlan when he found out that bloke at the copy shop was a raging Ferrari fan...
@TeamRedWolf11
@TeamRedWolf11 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you feel better soon but also thanks for doing this story again! I live doing the what if team engine combos in the motorsport manager game if you did something like this again could you maybe do the whole thing regarding Toyota suppiling engines to Jordan/Midland or just that whole period for the team from Jordan selling the team to 2009 when the team became good ish again
@Ricky_Baldy
@Ricky_Baldy 2 жыл бұрын
To be flippant without being insensitive and without wishing to speak for everyone- I think we're all here for the great content. Personally I don't notice your complexion even after you mention it. And to be totally honest you could have a complexion like a pepperoni pizza and it wouldn't make a difference. The content is great and that's why I come. 👍
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ricky_Baldy yeah, but if I can make a joke about it before someone with no content and no subscribers comes along to roast me on it, I win 🤣
@gbspikyfish
@gbspikyfish 2 жыл бұрын
To this day I still can't comprehend the breath taking stupidity of Coughlan('s wife) taking a confidential 700+ page Ferrari document to a public photocopying shop.
@freakysquirrel7218
@freakysquirrel7218 2 жыл бұрын
I looks like: "Aidan...was pissed" On a serious note: Hope all is good :D
@vladimirzakrevski3157
@vladimirzakrevski3157 2 жыл бұрын
Your next storytime should about how Ron Dennis is Ron Dennis' worst enemy.
@User-dd2xv
@User-dd2xv Жыл бұрын
So true
@User-dd2xv
@User-dd2xv Жыл бұрын
Lost senna , lost Adrian Newey
@gerarduspoppel2831
@gerarduspoppel2831 11 ай бұрын
​@@User-dd2xvLost Mercedes too
@project182r3
@project182r3 11 ай бұрын
Ron Dennis is a god
@Rayuzan_M
@Rayuzan_M 11 ай бұрын
​@@project182r3You clearly forgot Spygate and Honda part 2
@sleebanger
@sleebanger 2 жыл бұрын
i was trackside at the Australian gp listening to these Lamborghini engines...... they are still one of the loudest engines ive ever heard, right up there with the ferrari, honda V12's, and the renault v10.
@TeamRedWolf11
@TeamRedWolf11 2 жыл бұрын
I agree those sounds were awesome I know there was a onboard from Paul Richard of Eric Bernard driving one probably the Larousse
@mickeynismocat
@mickeynismocat 2 жыл бұрын
Can vouch, was there too!
@JutiMayranen
@JutiMayranen 2 жыл бұрын
one of the underrated "what-if"-scenarios from the 1990s. Good to see that finally someone tackles the subject.
@twiggyeison
@twiggyeison 9 ай бұрын
It's a shame Senna wasn't in McLaren in 1994 for obvious reasons.
@ethanpeschman4458
@ethanpeschman4458 2 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine if this Lambo engine was competitive, Senna might have stayed at McLaren.
@indiebekonn
@indiebekonn 2 жыл бұрын
And probably would still be alive…
@alexeimscruz2893
@alexeimscruz2893 Жыл бұрын
Yes one of those "what ifs" stories that has seismic ramifications 🙏😑 Had they got that Lambo engine it may have convinced Senna to stay and may be changed the course of Formula One history if not the whole world... but, the Lord has other ideas...
@Holden308
@Holden308 11 ай бұрын
Not actually true. Senna had already signed with Williams by the time McLaren started testing the Lamborghini V12. Even if Ron Dennis had decided to go with Chryster/Lamborghini instead of Peugeot in 1994, Senna would still have gone to Williams.
@herbertfischnaller4516
@herbertfischnaller4516 11 ай бұрын
@@Holden308 true. Senna was't stupid, he knew McLaren problems was not the engine alone, also an aero side they had big problems that led to fire Henri Durand. in fast corners the Mp4/8 simply had not the downforce of a Benetton B193. McLaren had that sort of problems for year, only that in Honda era this was covered simply by giving more rear wing because the engnine was fantastic. So Senna needed that Williams. Williams had all he wanted, the only problem was the regulation imposed a passive car for 1994.
@aydankhaliq2967
@aydankhaliq2967 2 жыл бұрын
Two of the top men from 1970s Ferrari were involved in this project. Mauro Forghieri and Daniele Audetto.
@donaldhowe3556
@donaldhowe3556 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know I could like Ron Dennis less. But Damn, this right here. Had the lambo deal gone threw. We might just still have him here with us today….
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 2 жыл бұрын
You'll always find a way to like Ron Dennis less. Just think, if you've had a bad day, it's Ron Dennis' fault!
@BungleBare
@BungleBare 2 жыл бұрын
@@heliumtrophy That would be a “sub-optimal day, deviating from normal operating parameters” in Ron-speak.
@heliumtrophy
@heliumtrophy 2 жыл бұрын
@@BungleBare Revised optimal parameters are not in Ron's vernacular.
@trappenweisseguy27
@trappenweisseguy27 2 жыл бұрын
I met Ron at a sponsors event in Montreal. He just radiated smug condescension. Hakkinen on the other hand was a cool, normal dude with no ego. The Lamborghini problems I’ve always thought could have been corrected by a top team. I suspect there could have been an oil starvation problem that could have been corrected.
@mramaz1ngarry728
@mramaz1ngarry728 11 ай бұрын
Peugeot seemed like a better option. They dominated le mans with a 3.5 ltr engine. They could do well lasting 24hrs. But turned into ticking random time bombs in a 1.5 hrs formula 1 race.
@themark443
@themark443 2 жыл бұрын
I found a 50 second clip of Hakkinen testing that 93 McLaren with a Lambo engine. My goodness what a sound.
@Djarra
@Djarra 2 жыл бұрын
I think that rather than Dennis being worried about Chrysler's commitment he already had wind that Lamborghini would be sold to Mycom Setdco who were not in a position to support an F1 engine program. Something that Larrousse knew which is why he was pursuing Peugeot (only to be beaten to that deal by McLaren and having to use the Ford customer units for 1994.) Interestingly in 1998 it was mooted that the Ilmore badged engines switch from Mercedes to Chrysler branding when Daimler-Chrysler formed, however Mika winning the title was such a boost for Mercedes that never happened.
@weofnjieofing
@weofnjieofing Жыл бұрын
There was the chance that Lamborghini (road car production) could be sold and that the F1 racing division stay with Chrysler and continue to be developed.
@Djarra
@Djarra Жыл бұрын
@@weofnjieofing Yes, although as I said Larrousse who was already using the Lamb engine wasn't convinced that it would continue and so was looking elsewhere with three years left on the contract.
@tekpic04
@tekpic04 2 жыл бұрын
Here on KZfaq, you can see an episode of the BBC Two programme , Mclaren: A year with the team, where it features the Lamborghini engine test and over at Jodi Kidd channel, she did a tour with Zak Brown and it showed the white Mclaren in storage.
@ayrshiresoundman
@ayrshiresoundman 2 жыл бұрын
That series is TV gold!
@WndSks
@WndSks 2 жыл бұрын
Episode 6 - The Rules Of The Game
@WndSks
@WndSks 2 жыл бұрын
Mika testing it kzfaq.info/get/bejne/leBxmLteuM_YpH0.html
@hexgraphica
@hexgraphica 2 жыл бұрын
For instance, Prost actually said the Ferrari, for some damage in the steering or suspension compartment, handled like a lorry, understandably... Wasn't sacked because of this outing
@caparroz1923
@caparroz1923 2 жыл бұрын
Prima la scuderia, secondo i piloti.
@gdogg3710
@gdogg3710 2 жыл бұрын
Here’s a video suggestion for you since we are talking about early 90’s Italian V12’s…how Honda ended up working as consultants for the Ferrari engine program in 1993 and were a big part of why Ferrari were absolutely woeful at the start of the year, but led into the first corner at Estoril…
@Team2L2k
@Team2L2k 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t realize any of this. I was focused on keeping up with how Michael Andretti was doing in F1. Thanks for teaching me something new once again Aidan
@JustinAH
@JustinAH 2 жыл бұрын
The Lamborghini V-12 broke down is about the nicest way to put it... a huge fireball is a more apt description. I don't believe Andretti ever got the Ford Mk.8 engine but he made do with weaker motor. In his last race at Monza he finished 3rd and passed a Ferrari, Benetton and Sauber at Parabolica to get his first podium. Why don't you do a story on Derek Warwick crashing F1 cars and then starting the race, like Monza and Hockenhiem. Man, that Dude had balls!
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Warwick almost punched out Schumacher at the Nurburgring too after Michael tried to chop him on one of the straights. Makes you wonder if he’d been lamped, he’d have not had those questionable moments of driving standards through his career.
@pretsas
@pretsas 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward That motorsport podcast is such a great one, especially Schlesser going "hit him, hit him!"
@rjjablo
@rjjablo 2 жыл бұрын
So the Story goes. Aryton; Ron the cars not that good Ron Dennis; But you won three races in it. Aryton; Ron, I won those races not the car The relationship there had fractured by then You saw the sheer driving commitment when he went to Williams and put it on Pole every race
@AlexIsAFuckinLegend
@AlexIsAFuckinLegend 2 жыл бұрын
6:20 somewhere in the world, Jeremy Clarkson is smiling at this blessing
@elliotcrossan6290
@elliotcrossan6290 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to hear about the McLaren MP4/6 - the only V12 ever to win the championship, unless I'm very much mistaken! (The Ferrari 312T was flat 12)
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Think it might be, actually. I’m going right back into the 60s now to see if there was a Ferrari or a Vanwall that did it.
@elliotcrossan6290
@elliotcrossan6290 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward all I can find is that they experimented using a V12 in Fangio's Maserati 250F in 1957. But I don't think they raced it
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
@@elliotcrossan6290 no constructors at that point either so would it count? 🤔
@TinyBearTim
@TinyBearTim 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward a win is a win
@elliotcrossan6290
@elliotcrossan6290 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward lol true. I count cars which won the Drivers' as title winning too
@mrhipbone
@mrhipbone 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Aiden, and got some new info out of it especially the tanking of the test to try and slow the thing down. I find it interesting that Whitmarsh told them to put 200+lb of fuel in it and not tell anyone, I'm sure Senna would definitely noticed the extra weight.
@lewallen2897
@lewallen2897 2 жыл бұрын
Love this series please keep them coming 🙏
@BOABModels
@BOABModels 2 жыл бұрын
I just listened to The Race's podcast 'Bring Back V10s' where they talk about this on series 2 episode 5. They said that the McLaren was extended by about 4 inches to take the V12. They shared some quotes from Chrysler talking about being efficient and economical and that Ron Dennis was worried that they wouldn't get the development budget required to remain competitive. Peugeot were basically offering a blank chequebook so that turned his head. Apparently one sticking point was McLaren's deal with Shell as Peugeot had a deal with Total in place already. I don't know if it was a coincidence, but by 1995 Shell would be off the car as well, replaced by Mobil.
@pretsas
@pretsas 2 жыл бұрын
There was talk of the Renaults going to McLaren as well, but the fuel deal (Elf rather that Total) was a big problem for the same reasons. I'm not sure what changed by 1994/5 with Mobil and Shell, but one wonders if Ron realised the right engine partner was better than the long term sponsor, or that Shell had already jumped ship to join Ferrari and Schumacher.
@SimonSez83
@SimonSez83 2 жыл бұрын
You're so good a these. I'd love to see a wrc deep dive serie like these. Keep it up !!
@King_Ears
@King_Ears 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the frequency of uploads Aiden. Not sure how sustainable it is but I'm enjoying it whilst it lasts 😁
@jasperpendlebury4551
@jasperpendlebury4551 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video Aidan. Perhaps one of the first stories of intrigue I've heard nothing about. Keep up the good work!
@ashokdeb8365
@ashokdeb8365 2 жыл бұрын
A fascinating story from 1993. Thank you for sharing.
@bloqk16
@bloqk16 11 ай бұрын
No 'biggie' about not having any McLambo photos, as by that era of F1, the body lines of all the cars were so similar to each other, that only the body colors, placards, and emblems on them were the only ways to discern the different makes of F1 cars.
@pophamlarry
@pophamlarry 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative and excellent video! Thank You For all Of Your hard Work....
@caparroz1923
@caparroz1923 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the story. There's a very seasoned, well respected Brazilian F1 journalist who tells a somewhat similar story but it's always interesting to hear it from another pov. People here in Brazil are biased af when it comes to Senna but this gentleman took some serious heat when he wrote about this.
@jasonrushton5991
@jasonrushton5991 2 жыл бұрын
Well done, Gr8 video, never knew any of this, & I been following F1 since a kid in the 70's.
@stuartwelsford8909
@stuartwelsford8909 Жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic video Aiden. You always manage to add more detail or nuances to storys i thought i knew everything about! Amazing story this one. You sir are what KZfaq is for
@iantrott9152
@iantrott9152 2 жыл бұрын
One of racings “if only” moments :)
@Bofatutube
@Bofatutube 2 жыл бұрын
Great timing, I got the see the McLambo in person just a few days ago. Difficult to tell how much longer it is if any, the only real stand out detail is the small bulge on either side of the engine cover
@tippersimracing6070
@tippersimracing6070 2 жыл бұрын
I spoke to one of the McLaren engineers in New Zealand and he told me the Lamborghini engines had the power but were tuned down as they tended to explode and was rather thirsty on its fuel.
@mrdraw2087
@mrdraw2087 2 жыл бұрын
I can imagine that loud V12 engine wouldn't be very fuel-efficient.
@tippersimracing6070
@tippersimracing6070 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrdraw2087 worse than the V12 Honda which they ran aswell and less power.
@kitko33
@kitko33 2 жыл бұрын
McLaren has a way of sabotaging itself. Funny how Torro Rosso became competitive with Honda the moment it Honda left McLaren.
@ryanjonathanmartin3933
@ryanjonathanmartin3933 11 ай бұрын
Just like Ferrari no? (And Williams)
@MrPeperoni79
@MrPeperoni79 Жыл бұрын
Just discovered this channel. Fkking awesome content. Just the stories the guys longing for the old times want to hear.
@timothyfisher5008
@timothyfisher5008 2 жыл бұрын
Love the channel Aidan, being from Boston we get zero f1 coverage. Always look forward listening to new content
@testohtoby
@testohtoby 2 жыл бұрын
Tnx, I've finally learned the exact order of the events (and the hidden gems) about this "not-happening" raging Bull 🤝🤝🤝
@IrishPartizan
@IrishPartizan 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats on reaching the 80k mark. Just another 20k to Roberto.
@JohnSmithShields
@JohnSmithShields 2 жыл бұрын
Nice update on the original. Keep pushing.
@minibus9
@minibus9 2 жыл бұрын
awesome video
@gabormiklay9209
@gabormiklay9209 2 жыл бұрын
07:05 I don't think it's possible to run a car on full tanks without the knowledge of the drivers. Any F1 driver would notice this immediately, let alone Senna and Hakkinen.
@jsquared1013
@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын
They were running with a completely different powertrain, one that required a significant alteration to the wheelbase. Added weight was likely already expected.
@gabormiklay9209
@gabormiklay9209 2 жыл бұрын
@@jsquared1013 Added weight is fine. But 100Kgs (220LBS) is just too much for a car which was around 550Kgs. Also: I can be wrong.
@gabormiklay9209
@gabormiklay9209 2 жыл бұрын
07:56 the engine was 29KGs (66 pounds) lighter then the one they had (Ford). If the drive is strengthened it had 29 KGs in hand to get back to the level of the Ford + original drive train.
@gabormiklay9209
@gabormiklay9209 2 жыл бұрын
The story I knew originally was this: Dennis had the Peugeot contract in hand when the Chrysler/Lambo engine test took place. And he said he cannot switch the engine deal now, because by braking the contract he will lose credibility and won't get a contract next time from any carmaker for a factory engine (for free). I don't think he needed to play games to trick Senna and Hakkinen, even if Senna said to him, he will stay with the team if they have the Chrysler/Lambo engine for next year (at least this is how I remember the story). Again: I can be very wrong. I think Ron Dennis knows the full story. It would be interesting to hear from him.
@Professor_GonZo
@Professor_GonZo 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff.
@herme99
@herme99 2 жыл бұрын
I was working at McL back then, straight out of Uni, crazy times!
@kristiangnarsen
@kristiangnarsen 2 жыл бұрын
Please do Subarus short stint in f1, might be a short video but it’d be cool, nobody seems to know they developed a flat 12 and tried their hand at formula racing.
@josephhajjar9511
@josephhajjar9511 7 ай бұрын
Excelent review on the Mclaren Lamborghini try out. Too bad that the Chrysler / Mclaren deal did not work as planned. We could of seen Ayrton Senna driving for Mclaren for at least two more years. 1994 and 1995.
@GregBrownsWorldORacing
@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын
The way Ayrton, Nigel & Alain kept knocking each other off the pedestal year after year & The Michael/ Ferrari era hadn't begun, there were many, myself among them who wondered if anybody would ever be able to beat the record of The Great Fangio. It seemed, then at least - that Fangio had one of those legacy records, from another era - that would never be beaten! Who knew one day Schumacher would win at Indy -with almost no competition - setting another record that will likely never be beaten.
@carldewet6428
@carldewet6428 21 күн бұрын
Quality.
@pgale
@pgale 2 жыл бұрын
Even though I know the story I still listen because you make it sound like something complete new I never heard before. Such a same it never went ahead even Senna's spec to other customers would have been good for them.
@666okano
@666okano 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed story time Aidan and I wasnt aware of this story at all. How amazing would that have been Senna in a season driving the McLambo!
@TL98
@TL98 2 жыл бұрын
i think that IF Ron signed the deal with lambo, Senna would've stayed
@indominusrex1652
@indominusrex1652 2 жыл бұрын
And would of been alive
@bdub215
@bdub215 2 жыл бұрын
If im not mistaken, Zak Brown showed this car on the walk through of the facility he did last year or two years so.
@ATEC101
@ATEC101 Жыл бұрын
Chrysler dabbled in F1, through Lamoweenie, to train engineers. Dodge Viper 1991-2010. Chrysler wanted staff that could develop concepts each week instead of 2 years. It worked.
@gordon1891
@gordon1891 Жыл бұрын
D love to see one of them alternate history videos you've done in the past for "McLambo" as I found them really fascinating to think about?
@caincha
@caincha 2 жыл бұрын
If memory serves the $1M deal was because McLaren was underperforming and yes Senna would do anything to get into that Williams but also he had nowhere else to go so... he pretty much tried to get his options open to anything but obviously in his mind 'anything' was Williams and Williams only. Was it around this time he tested to Indy or was it after 1989..? Anyway the Lambo deal I only read about it much much later and it does sound like the greatest thing that never was... Had McLaren secured that deal rather than going for the more beneficial deal with with Peugeot (and by beneficial I mean $$$$) Senna could very well have stayed with McLaren as they were getting close to develop a car almost as good as Williams and even if the 1994 ban would to happen with Senna at McLaren (rumors were they banned the super-Williams when Senna signed so he wouldn't dominate the championship. It was rumors so who knows if true...) McLaren could have still be a contender in 1994 with Lambo engines. And Senna could be alive and Schumacher would have a tougher time being champion and Damon and Villeneuve might not have been champions at all and so on... But yeah along the Senna-Indy the McLaren/Senna/Lambo was one of the more enticing stories of the early 90s prior to the Imola carnage. Good video. Thanks for the extra info I did not know about :)
@cas5447
@cas5447 11 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly however, it was stated somewhere that Senna would've been ready to stay at McLaren had he known sooner that Ron had the works Peugeot deal lined up. Now what I don't remember is if it was one of your videos or a book/documentary about Senna.
@user-vs7cw2rg7r
@user-vs7cw2rg7r 6 ай бұрын
Would love to have seen it.
@tokyosmash
@tokyosmash 2 жыл бұрын
A video after my own heart
@panvar8469
@panvar8469 2 жыл бұрын
That story fits as a glove with the "what if" episode you did a year ago! You could have started from there maybe...
@pretsas
@pretsas 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I believe Hakkinen was the first to drive the car at a very wet Silverstone, and then it went to Estoril. McLaren went to huge efforts to make sure that no photographers got a view of the car, and so were livid when Autosport, and I believe Joe Saward, put one on the front page of that weeks magazine and couldn't understand what had happened. Turns out they'd taken a normal image of the car, and air brushed it manually (no photoshop) and got it spot on. Prost retired before the Portugese Grand Prix and not after. There was talk of him wanting to do it at Monza, having won the championship there, but then the Renault had a rare failure. Apparently, it was a bit of marketing from Ron Dennis to keep the attention up, but the idea was from Senna. According to Julian Jacobi, at the start of the year Ron went "I've only got 5 million, that's all I can pay you". Senna went, fine "I want a million a race, so I'm doing the first five races, and then we'll see. Oh, and I'm only coming over from Brazil when I've seen the million dollars in my bank account on the Wednesday before the race. When something had gone wrong one race, he got the VARIG captain to stop off in Rio so he could get off. Quite something when you think it was a scheduled flight full of passengers...
@segaiuolo
@segaiuolo 29 күн бұрын
I've heard somewhere about a crazy connection between a Peugeot deal with McLaren, the new team manager at Ferrari - which was former Peugeot's - and a Ferrari in deep crisis that didn't want to see its worst enemy (Lamborghini) going faster and possibly winning the championship...
@JNST2023
@JNST2023 2 жыл бұрын
Love your story sections ! Will you do some simracing videos again apart from your Potato Sunday league ?
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
The race on Sunday I didn’t stream becuase I knew people would rather watch the f1, so we started a bit earlier. Ended up winning with a grand slam 🤣 But yeah, I’ve got some highlights from Spa to go up.
@JNST2023
@JNST2023 2 жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward Ha ha oh well I guess not being live brought you more luck and a speed
@DanoFSmith-yc9tg
@DanoFSmith-yc9tg 5 ай бұрын
I feel like that deal would have changed Chrysler's international reputation in a positive way if it had gone through. The brand seemed to be in trouble in the decade and a half after it fell through. I feel like chrysler would be much more respected in the late 90's and 00's especially in europe if they had Senna driving one of their machines.
@LegoGrandPrix13
@LegoGrandPrix13 2 жыл бұрын
Another very nice video. I wish I could make them to. But I sound like the iceman. :P
@nehylen5738
@nehylen5738 2 жыл бұрын
I would disagree with the assessment that there was no engine development from Peugeot in 1994. The engine became reliable from mid-season, and I kinda remember them taking about evolutions on French TV, when Jean-Pierre Jabouille was being interviewed. McLaren overreacted from the initial horrible performance of the engine, which was supposed to be just an update from Le Mans-winning one (and thus reliable).
@trappenweisseguy27
@trappenweisseguy27 2 жыл бұрын
The British always overreact when there are foreigners involved. Especially when it’s the French.
@tomanderson6335
@tomanderson6335 2 жыл бұрын
I was broadly familiar with this story, but not some of the details, so thanks for filling those in Aidan. I wonder if Chrysler would have bought the rights to the engine before selling Lamborghini had the McLaren deal gone through and Senna stayed. Really their only other serious factory racing programs at the time were NHRA drag racing (primarily the Wayne County Speed Shop Dodge Pro Stock team, which abruptly exited the sport after a mysterious break-in and ransacking of its shop that, curiously, happened right around the time whispers of their Mopar-liveried Avengers being operated well outside the rulebook started to grow louder...) and IROC (which was basically a branding exercise). The Oreca Vipers, the NASCAR Cup return and the Supertouring Stratus for the ill-fated NATCC were all a few years in the future but, then again, so was "The Merger of Equals..."
@rhodriedwardwilliams
@rhodriedwardwilliams 2 жыл бұрын
Remember watching this on the fantastic BBC show Mclaren the inside story
@Sephiroth5200
@Sephiroth5200 Жыл бұрын
Winners grumbling about not being competitive is best summed up with a quote: "Second place is the first loser." - Dale Earnhardt Sr.
@paulfrantizek102
@paulfrantizek102 2 жыл бұрын
Ron Dennis never saw an underhanded scheme he didn't immediately love.
@rsf1kirito483
@rsf1kirito483 2 жыл бұрын
If Mclaren got Lambo Senna woulve stayed and he would still be alive
@jamesstewart1794
@jamesstewart1794 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely
@ElectoneGuy
@ElectoneGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Doubt it. He would have still jumped to Williams.
@GINGERSTIG114
@GINGERSTIG114 2 жыл бұрын
@7:26 seems to have a mix up with the links on the bottom of the image (may not be an issue but given the fear of copyright claims guessed it was worth pointing out)
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
Ah bollocks not again.
@rigel8755
@rigel8755 10 ай бұрын
Here after seeing Vettel driving Senna's MP4/8 at Goodwood. I wonder if there are examples of the car still with a V12 on the back, in the Mclaren factory...
@michaelwilson7924
@michaelwilson7924 2 жыл бұрын
One of the great 'what if's' of 90's F1 this story. I know the Lambo V12 engine was crazy quick, but abit brittle and unreliable for smaller teams. But it's hard not to wonder what Mclaren with their bigger budget, could've done with ir
@joaojaneiro8575
@joaojaneiro8575 11 ай бұрын
There are many pictures of the test at Estoril
@MrSniperfox29
@MrSniperfox29 2 жыл бұрын
Ford "allowed" McLaren to have the works engines used by Benetton... I believe Bernie may have had something to do with that.
@TANGYHATCHY
@TANGYHATCHY 9 ай бұрын
If you wanna update this video or make another one there’s a assetto corsa mod of this car on race department now.
@martinhubinette2254
@martinhubinette2254 2 жыл бұрын
I think the Lambo deal would have worked out fairly well, since Daimler (Merc) and Chrysler would team up soon after. Lambo engines until they start using Merc engines essentially.
@phsycresconquest6636
@phsycresconquest6636 2 жыл бұрын
So if Lambo had been signed with, I wonder if there had been a real chance that Senna might have stayed if they could prove that it would be faster than the Williams.
@MyWifeHatesThisCar
@MyWifeHatesThisCar 2 жыл бұрын
Who knows, probably not as chassis wise the McLaren just wasn't near Bennetton or Williams. Although maybe Senna would've still be in the position of over-driving to combat Schumacher's shithousery with Option 13. Imola could still have happened, or worse later on in the season. I think some times you have to wonder whether the sport would've changed so much if Imola had just taken Ratzenberger's life, I don't think it would've. Not to the extent that it did. Which if that's true, what would have happened in F1 in the following years? Would Belgium 1998 been a total bloodbath?
@phsycresconquest6636
@phsycresconquest6636 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyWifeHatesThisCar that’s a very good point.
@TheNecromancer6666
@TheNecromancer6666 Жыл бұрын
Actually the Puegoet in 1994 Was quite powerful. The had 797hp on the dyno. Which is on the Level of the Renault, >40 more then the works Ford and around 20 less then Ferrari.
@Hammerhead547
@Hammerhead547 2 жыл бұрын
If you get a chance you should take a look at the time in 1991 when Vince Neil quit motley crue to become an indycar driver and his hilarious misadventures with Teem Green.
@NoiseBombS14
@NoiseBombS14 2 жыл бұрын
Somewhere out there, exists an alternate timeline where McLaren ran these engines, they did phenomenal, Senna resigned with McLaren, and won 3 more Championships before retiring at 6
@AntoniusTyas
@AntoniusTyas Жыл бұрын
Another side of the story: After witnessing a mess that is Ferrari in early 1990s, Steve Nichols returned to McLaren in 1995 as technical advisor. And what an aerodynamic mess was that McLaren back then. Nichols set the team at the right track again until 2001 before moving to Jaguar and end his F1 career in 2002. Remember, this is the same Steve Nichols that pioneered carbon fibre construction in F1 and designed the MP4/4. So he knows a thing or two about how to make McLaren great.
@eamonahern7495
@eamonahern7495 2 жыл бұрын
I can't subscribe until there's a "can f1 handle" mondello Park video.
@avflashback8913
@avflashback8913 2 жыл бұрын
It's one thing to a test drive. Running the car on full tanks and doing a full race distance is a different "ball game". That Lamborghini engine would never have made the distance. They properly made a Pukka engine just for the Mclaren test just so they could get the contract. The Lamborghini engine had no form at all. Out of the two the Peugeot was always the way to go.
@sergioleone3583
@sergioleone3583 11 ай бұрын
Those Lamborghini V12 F1 engines sounded so good (possibly even better than the Ferrari V12s, and the Hondas too) but unfortunately didn't make the power.
@Kev79
@Kev79 2 жыл бұрын
Now no-one can say say 1st
@F-Man
@F-Man 2 жыл бұрын
F1rst
@JustGeminis
@JustGeminis 2 жыл бұрын
What about the Isuzu V12 Lotus test
@dumpsterstu4474
@dumpsterstu4474 2 жыл бұрын
The Mc Lamborghini was last seen in a collection in Japan. Just sitting.
@rrr43875
@rrr43875 Жыл бұрын
I'm starting to think we aren't gonna get that Roberto Moreno vid...
@mickcompagnoni1114
@mickcompagnoni1114 2 жыл бұрын
So I guess we can add this to the ever expanding list of Ron Dennis screw ups.
@charlesrichardson4032
@charlesrichardson4032 2 жыл бұрын
Max attack Mika did a lot time in this test mule said it fast
@Eteroklitos83
@Eteroklitos83 2 жыл бұрын
People say that Prost called the 1991 Ferrari a truck but according to Alesi what Prost said was that in order to steer the Ferrari you needed a trucker's arms
@theoddstrokesswimmingvideo1314
@theoddstrokesswimmingvideo1314 2 жыл бұрын
If the McLambo had become a thing for 1994, the course of F1 history would have been interesting. Senna would have been kept at McLaren, and most likely alive as no Williams Imola crash. With Prost leaving F1, would we have seen Mansell’s third stint at Williams? Would Alesi ditch Ferrari and become Prost’s French replacement to keep Renault happy? David Coultard: career over. He stated that he was struggling financially and without the second seat at Williams opening up he wasn’t able to afford continuing as a test driver. Would Schumacher and Benetton with their factory Ford engines *cough and option 19 launch control cough cough* been able to beat an up on power McLaren? Would the Lamborghini engine suffer the same reliability issues that plagued the Peugeot engine and cost Senna his shot at a fourth title? The what if’s are incredible and it’s a shame that Rob Dennis didn’t take the Lamborghini gamble.
@Lcngopher
@Lcngopher 2 жыл бұрын
4:18 i have driven past that building too many times to count
@Strangegloves
@Strangegloves 2 жыл бұрын
Ron Dennis: hey aryton you know those lambo engines u tested that u liked that were really fast ?? Aryton: yea ?? Ron Dennis:......well were having pegueot ones instead........... Aryton:...............wot ?!!!🤣🤣
@retardray5701
@retardray5701 2 жыл бұрын
I believe the Lambo V12 would've had the potential in a good car, like a McLaren. With Chrysler's money, Lamborghini had developed a brand new engine for the '93 season. However, after first Lola's and then Venturi's departure, Larrousse had become a very cash-strapped team, so I doubt they were able to extract the full potential - and Chrysler probably didn't see the point in funding further development for a lower-midfield team. But of course, even if the deal would've worked out, I'd say McLaren would've still ended up with Mercedes as it happened, because Chrysler sold off Lambo not long afterwards, which would've meant likely no means to build the new 3.0L engines.
@ianwynne764
@ianwynne764 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Aidan: In you video on the "spygate" scandal, you quoted another persons view on Ron Dennis. The view was that Ron Dennis was unpleasant. I know understand why someone would say such things. Stay well and safe.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын
“10 million for the offence, 90 million because Ron Dennis is a cunt”- Max Mosley. Max and Bernie didn’t like it that Ron would question them.
@dimaboz8012
@dimaboz8012 2 жыл бұрын
I have vivid recollection from 1993 of several motorsports affiliated journals making an argument that Dennis decided to go with Peugeot option because of upcoming rule changes, requiring engines to last no less than 2 races, and Peugeot coming from Le Mans series advertised itself as yardstick of reliability. It's weird, but I haven't seen this point ever to be brought again, may be because Peugeot engines ended up being a pile of merde?
@DarkLordDiablos
@DarkLordDiablos 2 жыл бұрын
It's also interesting to wonder if he'd still be with us now if that had happened.
@privateinformation2960
@privateinformation2960 10 ай бұрын
double irony - McLarens Senna switches to Williams and it ends his career. Williams Mansell switches to McLaren, it ends his career.
@TS-1267
@TS-1267 2 жыл бұрын
,,,✨ ... I DON'T USUALLY WATCH ALL VIDEO OF THIS TYPE..JUST NARRATION & PICTURES..30 Sec & I'M GONE.. BUT YOURS HAD NEW STUFF WITH GOOD HONEST (IN MY VIEW) I KNOW MY OPINION WON'T CHANGE THE WORLD.. BUT I ALSO KNOW WHAT I ENJOY..SO AIDEN MILLWARD CHEERS ALOT SIR FOR THE ENJOYMENT ✨,,, 🏁🇺🇦🏁🇺🇦🏁🇺🇦🏁
@jesseemullen
@jesseemullen Жыл бұрын
I was able to find the McLambo images pretty easily on Google images. Why weren't they allowed to be used in this video, but other pictures were? Different copyright laws?
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@bzilla1090
@bzilla1090 10 ай бұрын
Asking Lambo/Chrysler to build a reliable engine at the time was like handing all of your money to a homeless man and asking him to invest it on the NYSE.
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