When F1 Cars Were MORE Advanced than Today

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2 жыл бұрын

The Williams FW15C is still the most advanced F1 car ever built. While it wasn't the first, it was definitely the pioneer, and nothing else has come close in terms of driver aids since.
But where did the tech war start? It actually started in Italy. Well, an office in England working for the Italians. But let's see how it all started and ultimately: Ended.
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@fuzzy1dk 2 жыл бұрын

in terms of driver aid gadgets, the 2004 WRC cars might have been even more advanced. They had ABS, clutch control, paddle shift, traction control, active differentials, ride height control with GPS, electronic dampers and active suspension.

@EAGYSL 2 жыл бұрын

Yes they also had laser canons and warp drive

@gigadonis8684 2 жыл бұрын

Peugeot: Y'know what... I'M GONNA F*** THIS ALL UP!!! *adds 4 speed transmission, power steering that fails when it looks at a rock and replace the short wheelbase 206 that almost won them both titles in 2003 for a completley different 307cc*

@R4M_Tommy 2 жыл бұрын

@@gigadonis8684 the 307CC was a land yatch compared to all the competition.

@Niko-he4ji 2 жыл бұрын

@@davidvasquez08 they used them to blow up the trees when going into them 💀💀💀

@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын

But it didn't have fhe flux capacitor.

@CrunchyMotorsport 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly that Williams is the best f1 car made (When it comes to a technological point)

@JohnSmithShields 2 жыл бұрын

The 14B and 15C were just masterpieces.

@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын

And NOW we know why there was a bulge in the cock-pit, it wasn't from the driver,

@Bahamuttiamat 2 жыл бұрын

@CRUNCHY Probably the most dominant... the w11 is far more advance in every aspect though. March of technology.

@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын

I think the Mercedes F1 W03 (2012) car was probably the most advanced because along with ERS and KERS it had the Double DRS system and I think stored suspension rebound energy as pressure creating an active suspension using high pressure hydraulic fluid. All except KERS where banned soon after. 🤔

@Bahamuttiamat 2 жыл бұрын

@@thomas316 FRIC. But everyone had some sort of fric.

@mp4986 2 жыл бұрын

Patrese's gap to Mansell in 92 had nothing to do with his age and tech phobia... It was because the active ride car didn't give the same feeling back to the driver and he didn't trust it the same way. Mansell just trusted it and drove through that "fuzz". Patrase and Mansell are the same age - 67 now as I type this. Also, Mansell started in F1 in 1980, Patrese in 1977 - not a huge difference in terms of the tech and generation of cars.

@michaelkitchin9665 2 жыл бұрын

Williams also got in with Continuous Variable Transmission. Imagine the F1 noise if that'd caught on.

@decb 2 жыл бұрын

The FIA banned it whilst it was still being developed. Plus, the cars would've sounded horrible

@tanall5959 2 жыл бұрын

It would be continuous pitch with only the 'depth' and volume of the exhaust note changing with throttle position. Pretty much the same thing you hear on a recip aircraft with a constant-speed prop. Now, it CAN sound downright orgasmic with the right engine (The famous Merlin comes to mind), but for what F1 runs? I can imagine it getting old fast.

@michaelkitchin9665 2 жыл бұрын

@@tanall5959 Yeah, I rewatched the test Coulthard had with it. It'd just be nonstop squealing.

@TheEgg185 Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if it was ever banned, or needed to be banned. It was never actually raced with and it couldn't handle power from the engine without breaking. To this day, CVTs are not suitable for heavy duty applications.

@thegregdavieschannel 2 жыл бұрын

McLaren first raced the flappy paddle gearbox at Brazil 92. It's interesting to watch the senna/prost battle from Silverstone 93 and compare it with any modern battle. Today's cars look so much easier to drive. The primary reason for the active suspension is to stabilise the aero platform relative to the ground. It doesn't in itself create any more down force. The problems with the 94 Williams were really a hangover from the active suspension in so far as for the aero to work, it required more platform stability than conventional springs and dampers could offer. This caused to either loose downforce mid corner or for the aero balance to shift mid corner.

@electramotive 2 жыл бұрын

Remember when WEC cars could qualify halfway up an F1 grid despite weighing 200kg more? Things really were better back then

@LupusAries 2 жыл бұрын

And we had major manufacturers with different engine Layouts and fuel types.

@MrXaniss 2 жыл бұрын

Except the sport was less competitive and generally more boring... cooler, yes. Better? No.

@vibecheck663 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrXaniss you mean WEC or F1 was more boring?

@nextyear523 2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean exactly by back then, because if you mean past like 20 years I thought LMP1H was great until 2018

@gigadonis8684 2 жыл бұрын

@@nextyear523 Toyota are runing it. If they just kept their grubby old hands out of it there would be a few more competitors. I'm not saying it would be like F1 2012 where you have 5 teams fighting for a win, but it would give you a reason to watch the 24h Le Mans. They're only in it because they know that if they stick "TOYOTA 3 TIME WEC AND 3 TIME WRC CHAMPIONS RUNNING" they will sell cars.

@Elfwald 2 жыл бұрын

The Ligier semi automatic gearbox and TC in 1993 was all Williams technology. They were going to run the Williams active suspension in 93 also but pulled the plug on it when it was banned for 94 even though the car was already quicker with it.

@CookRacingUK 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely recommend Adrian Newey's book which has an in-depth inside view of how it all went down with the active suspension stuff.

@6lemans10 2 жыл бұрын

I have the hard cover and audiobook.😎

@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын

It’s on the bookshelf behind me, just not had time to read it yet.

@CookRacingUK 2 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward That and Ross Brawns (and Adam Parrs) book holy crap... all those team denials about stuff, all the times you wondered why a driver did x in a race from 20 odd years ago... honestly its like a more intimate Netflix DTS script for 2 decades of inside revelations. It's nostalgia tastic 'closing the book' on so much stuff. The driver books are good but these 2 are something else!

@CookRacingUK 2 жыл бұрын

Oh and Mark Priestly's book about what was going on at McClaren.... wibble...

@williamford9564 2 жыл бұрын

@@CookRacingUK Thanks. I just ordered this and Newey's book also.

@spotthedogaye2921 2 жыл бұрын

It was the gearbox that was nuts to me, it didn't change in tone as went through the gears. There was a TV program about the car back in the day, I can't find it now though. David Coulthard was the test driver.

@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын

Williams FW15C CVT: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rpmFo6V8vbO2pKM.html

@spotthedogaye2921 2 жыл бұрын

@@thomas316 that's the one, thanks!

@mrkipling2201 10 ай бұрын

That 1992 Williams FW14B was brilliant. It looked amazing as well. The yellow Camel colour along with the navy blue was a work of art. Yes, it was the best car in 1992 but Mansell still drove like the great driver we knew he was and was a worthy World Champion.

@_BitJager_ 2 жыл бұрын

Keep up the good work Aidan! Love your content and your objectivity.

@MrSaywutnow Ай бұрын

Barnard has said in at least one interview that the actual problem with the first flappy-paddle Ferrari wasn't the gearbox, it was the car's electrical system. The gearbox would fail because it wasn't getting enough electricity, and they finally discovered that it was the alternator belt that was to blame (it kept slipping due to engine vibrations, or something along those lines). The gearbox is wrongly remembered as unreliable because the Italian press at the time wouldn't shut the hell up about it.

@TheHughrc 2 жыл бұрын

Active suspension is probably one of my favourite driver aids or advancements in F1, mainly because my grandad designed the hardware and software that took the 99T to the first Active suspension car to win a GP

@micodyerski1621 2 жыл бұрын

Love the intro... those engines are singing. Also give a listen to '90s Indy cars. Those were my teen years and I love their sound too.

@nobody-wk6ej 2 жыл бұрын

Ahhhhhh... When innovation wasn't a crime... I do miss that.

@modergav 2 жыл бұрын

I mean like in the 60's? Because fia always tried to supress some innovations

@Bozar069 2 жыл бұрын

Thats what makes hillclimbs like Pike's Peak so special, anything goes really.

@Bahamuttiamat 2 жыл бұрын

M. Jackson Current f1 cars, I'd argue are far more innovative. DAS, POU, aero elasticity, and the complexity mess than is our current PU (ERS subsystems)

@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын

@@Bahamuttiamat I agree actually, teams are still innovating. Particularly Mercedes have always had a culture of innovation in the hybrid era from Turbine Separation, Double DRS, blown wheel hubs/nuts, wheels that optimise tyre temperature, Passive-Active Suspension in 2017, etc. etc. etc. They've won because they've just out-innovated everyone else, most people agree it's boring for racing.

@ajmontesa 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic vide, mate. Keep it up.

@nickkravchuk6252 2 жыл бұрын

Aidan never misses with his videos, great stuff man!

@davidratcliffe7754 2 жыл бұрын

Always enjoyable Aidan.

@Bahamuttiamat 2 жыл бұрын

Modern f1 cars are far more advanced than the ones in the 90's. Sure certain technologies have been banned but in terms of aero understanding and current suspension kinematics, its on a completely different magnitude. Not to mention the leaps in engine software and PU management. Active ride was rudimentary. Besides most of these banned technology are being used passively. POU is another form on aero platform control one much more sophisticated than active ride.

@jimz68 2 жыл бұрын

You should talk about the DTM cars of the early-mid nineties. Crazy tech like in-car sliding weights and diffs controlled by radio signals. Crazy stuff,

@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын

We had Steve Matchett for years calling the F1 races on NBC in the USA and I never heard him once mentioning a Benneton taking a piss. I guess you explained why Aidan.

@danbradley7176 2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed Steve’s commentary along with David Hobbs. Haven’t heard a thing from either one since.

@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын

@@danbradley7176 I know Hobbs bought a honda. dealershipwww.davidhobbs.com/

@alexwright6038 2 жыл бұрын

Barnard was looking at how do I make the car narrow for aero. With the semi automatic gearbox you don't need to run linkages to the gearbox and no clutch cable either. The other benefits were happy coincidence. I do think it would be nice to have an H pattern box in the cars today, the missed gear change was a passing opportunity. It could be done without taking up much space now as the H pattern could be linked electrically to the gearbox.

@izzdin6228 2 жыл бұрын

I find it interesting that F1 transition straight from H-pattern gearbox to paddleshifters. Meanwhile in indycar, it felt more natural, where it transitioned from H-pattern to lever sequential to finally paddleshifters. Before this episode I had a hard time finding any F1 cars in the past with sequential levers when in fact there was none at all.

@R4M_Tommy 2 жыл бұрын

Well, F1 went to paddles before the sequentials were a thing.

@izzdin6228 2 жыл бұрын

@@R4M_Tommy exactly. Before this episode, i didn't know F1 skipped the sequential levers. Hence i had a hard time finding info of F1 with sequential stick because there wasn't any to begin with.

@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын

And now no drivers have to duct tape their palms to run Monaco. If we put the H pattern in for Monaco we might get passing again there, without changing the track. Appron 50 changes per lap where the driver must let go of the wheel with one hand... imagine?

@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын

F1 didn't skip manual sequential transmissions: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queerbox

@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын

@@R4M_Tommy Actually the early paddle shifts where basically a manual semi automatic gearbox driven by a rotating drum (the drum position rotated based on the driver pulling the paddle and that then selves the correct gear.) That was the FW14 I think. You didn't have to use the clutch because the engine ECU would rev match. It was only later they went to electro-hydraulically actuated gearboxes. 🙂

@glowtail3744 2 жыл бұрын

I mean the main answer is money Money can make something more technologically better then the thing its going up against

@UncleKennysPlace 2 жыл бұрын

Money + brains. Recall that Ferrari was the most spendy team, but it didn't always work out.

@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes. In truth all teams have innovations but sometimes they get overlooked because, although clever, they offer only a small advantage. Like in 2017 Mercedes built this incredible suspension system that took rebound suspension energy and used it to power a mechanical-hydraulic computer that powered an active suspension system of sorts. It was banned within the same year. That was the same year Ferrari got close by cheating the fuel flow sensor so most people don't interpret it as being an incredible innovation, it was overshadowed by cheating.

@christoforospaphitis4090 2 жыл бұрын

Well my father has a Galant from the late 80's that has all those active suspension gismos. The car would lower itself at high speeds and would autolevel so essentially there was no body roll. I drove that car a few times and even though it was fast much faster through the corners than a car with conventional suspension, I could never get on grip with it, literally, because there was no body roll it was very hard to estimate the maximum level of grip, however later on I experimented with the system response and that meant I would steer into a turn much more aggressively than normally initially before easing off through the turn, that would cause the car to roll into the turn instead of away from it. It was a very eerie feeling. Fantastic car to drive and extremely comfortable but as a driver it was counterintuitive to say the least. The system didn't catch on because Mitsubishi decided to follow the AWD route.

@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын

The first manual sequential Grand Prix car was Lotus in the 60s: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queerbox Ferrari implemented their semi-automatic system first but it was a dead-end technologically. I think Williams where buggering about with a flappy paddle early in the 1980s. It was basically a motorcycle style gearbox actuated by a revolving drum instead of a lever, so it was completely mechanical but still a dog collar design. The first semi-automatic gearbox that really worked was the Weismann Quickshift (Williams FW15?) which is the predecessor of the ZeroShift gearbox mechanism used post-2005.

@damionlee7658 2 жыл бұрын

I think one of the big misnomers about the technology in F1 recently is how it is operated. The cars are Jan packed with all manner of technological wizardry, but the driver has to operate it. Yes the driver can adjust their diff and brake settings, but they are still having to make those adjustments and decide to make them. The tech race of the 90s was more about automating technology advances, and that was perhaps starting to detract from the driver skill. I like tech being introduced, providing it is driver operated. Heck, I'd be pro on-the-fly adjustable wing angle, providing it was a manual dial setting that the driver had to decide on and control. I was all for Mercedes adjustable wheel angle system, and frankly was surprised it has taken so long for a team to try it. I think it was a shame that rather than all the other teams jumping on the bandwagon and developing their own versions, it was banned.

@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын

@@valerierodger7700 yeah, the drivers do tons of work these days. Different brake biases, swaybar settings, and diff settings practically each sector or even each corner.

@Deamon93IT 2 жыл бұрын

Would be awesome to see this year car with the up-do-date computing technology running the gizmos the madlads in the '90s came up with. Probably would be scary for most drivers to push all race long

@Minkieminkie 2 жыл бұрын

Love the videos, a few inaccuracies

@MrXaniss 2 жыл бұрын

"screw this lighting". I recommend blackout curtains to use while recording haha

@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын

I put a blanket over the Venitian blinds and it still won’t work 😅

@adampetten5349 2 жыл бұрын

Brundle isn't a journeyman as is evidenced by his scoring twice as many points in 1992 as Patrese in 1993. Schumacher had essentially the same number of points both seasons. He split a seat with Suzuki. Panis destroyed the Japanese but Brundle edged Panis.

@MrSniperfox29 2 жыл бұрын

A journeyman is someone who goes from team to team (normally lower performing ones), doesn't stay very long and doesn't achieve any lasting success. In his career Brundle drove for Tyrrell, Zakspeed, Williams, Brabham, Benetton, Ligier, McLaren and Jordan. He is exactly what a journeyman is.

@adampetten5349 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSniperfox29 his 9 podiums will last forever

@CobraDBlade 2 жыл бұрын

I really wish that F1 cars would have been allowed to keep that tech and develop it further as time went on. I've personally felt that the top levels of racing, regardless of what sort of vehicle it is, should be that true bleeding edge of technology that pushes the world forward. I understand that cost is a big factor in keeping those things in check, but imagine how much better road car tech could be if they had been allowed to push it as far as possible on the race track.

@Tj930 2 жыл бұрын

According to "The Prince of Darkness" (John Barnard's) biog, he was just trying to simplify the gear linkage (the rod connecting the gear stick to the gearbox by going through the firewall), replacing it with a flexible, electric cable, but this also allowed the removal of the gear stick (to be replaced by wheel-mounted buttons), thinning the required cabin space, improving aerodynamic and other possibilities, etc The problem, however, as always it seems with Ferrari, was politics... The engine department had built an excellent engine but with a dodgy alternator. The dodgy electrics messed with the semi-automatic gearbox control. The politics and blame culture prevented the engine being put on a dyno and tested sooner to find out that there was a resonant RPM frequency which caused the belt slip, etc. The young-pretender, Chief exec was insisting they should cancel the idea and go back to H-pattern!

@mikeeast9632 2 жыл бұрын

This

@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын

"engine department had built an excellent engine but with a dodgy alternator" so standard Italian operating procedure 😆

@zachpeterson4519 2 жыл бұрын

I think the FW15C is vastly overlooked in favor of the FW14B. I find that sad, as I believe the 15 was the most technologically advanced F1 car ever (Particularly electronics) and nobody ever talks about or sees it, it's always just "FW14B iS MoSt AdVaNcEd CaR"

@sleeming88 2 жыл бұрын

I think people tend to remember the FW14B more fondly in the context of Mansell finally winning a title with Williams after being denied in 86 and 91. The FW15C is just remembered as Prost opportunistically jumping in the car, grabbing another championship, giving Senna one last middle finger and then retiring.

@simrigpc27b12 2 жыл бұрын

The 90's in all of motorsports was the true pinnacle. Every advance from the beginning of the sport to then is traceable. Somehow it was all lost in the 2000's as the sport transitioned into "entertainment" 😠

@user-kf5cg6ln3l 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely, the 80s and 90s were amazing. You had so much great racing with great drivers and great cars.

@ChrisBl33p 2 жыл бұрын

19xx-1989: drivers with big balls/boobs of steel 1990s: engineers with big brain energy

@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын

You had four cars finishing races and the winner was a minute up the road. It wasn’t as great as everyone makes it out to be.

@simrigpc27b12 2 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward Yes, but correct me if I'm wrong but the best team/drivers won. And I am not being F1 centric on that statement. I don't really care much for F1, i am more focusing on the whole of motorsports.

@sugarnads 2 жыл бұрын

80s. Huge balls, massive power. Lots of winners.

@fredericktennant9151 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video I have been watching motorsports for a long time, (since before the 70s) and back then if a team had a good idea then the other teams would copy it, what went wrong? Redbull found it cheaper to get something banned instead of building their own its a trend other teams are beginning to copy, which will eventually kill the sport.

@TheEgg185 Жыл бұрын

7:45 wow. This is the chart I've spent my whole life looking for. I want to know what cars (if any) ever used ABS and a fully automatic gear box, and when. It looks like you're telling me that Williams was the only one that had ABS and they did it in 1993.

@mark6bat 2 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see one season of no regulations. See how fast the cars really could go

@williamford9564 2 жыл бұрын

Even better. WEC cars at LeMans with no chicanes on the Mulsanne and no BOP.

@BrotherJP333SP Жыл бұрын

Schumacher very well may have taken the FW16, 17, 18, and 19 to the championship had he been with Williams. I only say that because I really believe Williams were building top notch cars during that period, but do to racing, the fastest car doesn't always take the victory. Hill was a fantastic driver and just about won the championship in '94. That FW17 is just about my favorite single seater of all time. A 595 kilo, 700 hp/ 16,000 rpm wide track go cart.

@y_fam_goeglyd 2 жыл бұрын

I dread to think how fast today's cars would be with 1990s tech. They would be genuine rocketships!

@izzdin6228 2 жыл бұрын

Cyberformula cars?

@DeneF 2 жыл бұрын

Has Mansell ever seemed young? I think it was the creepy tash? Great video. Thanks

@youssefremy6173 2 жыл бұрын

HI I HAVE A QUESTION! Does these techs eligible in WEC Hypercar as long as they stay within the performance window??

@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын

No, forbidden. Just double wishbone: www.fiawec.com/en/news/le-mans-hypercar-explained/6974

@Adam-dm7lc 2 жыл бұрын

So its because of John Barnard we have the flappy padals behind the wheel. Nice!

@R4M_Tommy 2 жыл бұрын

Forghieri had a semi-automatic gearbox in 1979, but Villeneuve didn't like it and it got shelved for 10 years.

@victim2077 2 жыл бұрын

I think that FIA should provide things like active suspension, Renault's damper thingy and DAS as spec parts with new regulations or from '25 with new engines.

@michaelmeffert5722 2 жыл бұрын

Note: Ferrari already experimented with semi-automatic shifting during the second half of the 70ies. There was even one version of the Ferrari 312T Niki Lauda and Clay Reggazoni tested with the semi-automatic gearbox in Fiorano. Back then they used buttons on the steering wheel instead of paddles to shift. Apparently the technology was no lt ready or reliable enough, so the idea was shelved for 10+ years…

@timedrfreeman 2 жыл бұрын

Did we have 2 way telemetry back then? I know that it was a thing for some time but I don't know when

@saintmoz 2 жыл бұрын

I thought that lollipop man Peter Windsor was actually the hype man Rich Energy, you’re telling me he’s an F1 jurno, must be a different person.

@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын

“Journalist”

@CD-Gaming 2 жыл бұрын

I jus can't help but think how modern WRC cars are now faster and, more CRUCIALLY, SAFER than they were during the mentalist Group B era... How times change, eh? An idea for a Story Time, while I remember: Lancia! Especially with how this would be 140 years since Vincenzo Lancia was born (and with how I have the same birthday as him...)!

@loduca16 2 жыл бұрын

I dig the extra info but it’s a bit hard to concentrate on the audio and read the info at the same time

@nathangarrett9868 2 жыл бұрын

Im glad they ban driver aids. I don't want to know who's computer is better I want to see what driver is better. Yes some teams are better than others but they have less variables now than if they had driver aids. The only exception is if it could be implemented for safety, for example some kind of automatic breaking after a crash.

@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын

Might work if the wheels were still on the car ;)

@nathangarrett9868 2 жыл бұрын

@@GregBrownsWorldORacing true 😂, they do need to fix that seriously tho.

@F-Man 2 жыл бұрын

McLaren didn’t have the semi-auto until 1992 - and even at that, not until mid-year.

@joelapilainen 2 жыл бұрын

I believe they introduced the semi-automatic gearboxes in time for the third round of 1992 at México

@Mr.Scootini 2 жыл бұрын

Nothing like waking up to a aiden milward video 😂

@Sharun1995 2 жыл бұрын

Can someone make a compilation of Mr. Millward complaining about the lighting?

@minibus9 2 жыл бұрын

cool video

@gregfelix6979 2 жыл бұрын

Benetton also ran 4 wheel steer in the last couple of races of 93.

@markbousfield4959 2 жыл бұрын

I often ponder... if the development path of the cars has continued, with the computer focus on mechanic grip & traction... would the aerodynamic dev have been quite so aggressive, given than random bulges around a nose are probably not the greatest design for airflow... and perhaps we'd've had cars more able to follow for a decade or so longer? Admittedly, probably taking half of Silverstone flat... but still... pondering.

@eamonahern7495 2 жыл бұрын

Good man Aidan

@gabormiklay9209 2 жыл бұрын

ABS: I would think racing drivers want to feel traction on their own.

@slaphead90 2 жыл бұрын

Were they really H-Pattern gearboxes? I always thought they were a sequential using a forward/backward gear lever with manual clutch.

@fuzzy1dk 2 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hMt2pNaIvK2VoXk.html

@slaphead90 2 жыл бұрын

@@fuzzy1dk Thank you. I stand corrected.

@ct9737 2 жыл бұрын

I had season tickets for the Montreal GranPrix since 1989,I miss the years that the car were engineered throughout the season and you could see the progression each race !

@BartAnt84 2 жыл бұрын

That argument about H-Shifters in F1 comes from people like Gordon Murray and Frank Dernie. Their thinking is, that F1 is(and allways was) all about the car and those are becoming better and better. So without gimmicks like DRS there is no real racing anymore. They want a simple car without any aids, so drivers could make mistakes. Even Mansell and Piqued admits today, that many od their overtakes happened only because one of them missed the gear shift.

@markoarkaina8656 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't Mansell stall it at Montreal 91 or is that an urban legend?

@aydankhaliq2967 2 жыл бұрын

Ferrari also had AS. In fact, a Ferrari was the reason AS got banned.

@joelapilainen 2 жыл бұрын

Was it the Berger shunt at Estoril that got it banned?

@aydankhaliq2967 2 жыл бұрын

@@joelapilainen yup

@334outdoors8 2 жыл бұрын

I know your not super into INDYCAR but what do you think about the Nashville street course

@chrisa.d.7460 2 жыл бұрын

It's got a bridge?

@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын

It does - and they go back across it in the other direction Nashville doesn't have a Castle but they have a Parthenon.

@justme-hh4vp 2 жыл бұрын

Your slide at 9:05 says driver aids were banned after the death of Senna, then you say it happened before and suggest it cause the death of Senna? How did the removal of driver aids contribute to the death of Senna? I think Senna had more of an old school driving style and wanted to be closer to the engine control.

@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын

Williams tried to run a 1993 car in 1994 with all the aids turned off thinking it would be fine. It made the car very difficult to drive.

@yee4618 2 жыл бұрын

Many say that the death of Senna was caused by the regulation change due to the 94 cars being set up to have the driver aids, so when Moseley pulled the plug on them, it made cars designed to work with computers almost impossible to drive properly! take an f-15 eurofighter jet, its made to be unstable in the air to pull of incredible feats.like pulling a 180 at speeds that would make a normal person explode. this is possible because an array of computers on board make it so, its the same prinicple for the 94 cars, with the aids they wre literal rockets on the track, take the computers away and they became very unstable! just watch any 94 footage, even the most seasoned of drivers struggled!

@h3llr4iser1 2 жыл бұрын

Most 1994 cars were designed using data gathered with cars using all kinds of driving aids; Once they got taken away, the cars started to behave erratically. Besides Senna's and Ratzenberger's fatal accidents, there was an insane string of high profile, highly dangerous crashes at the beginning of the season - JJ Lehto broke his neck during preseason testing, Alesi had the same type of injury at Mugello after the Brazilian Grand Prix, Barrichello crashed heavily in Imola, Wendlinger in Monaco, Montermini broke an ankle in Barcelona and Lamy broke his back during a Silverston test with Lotus. In the span of a few months, there were 8 serious accidents of which 2 fatal and 2 miraculous escapes (Wendlinger and Lamy)...it was very clear something was wrong.

@justme-hh4vp 2 жыл бұрын

@@h3llr4iser1 thanks for that. I just listened to a beyond the grid podcast with Alex Zanardi, he said Lamy was agitating all day to drive the car but the team kept putting it off, Zanardi did 200-odd laps before giving way to Lamy who then had the failure on his first lap out!

@blijvendvertrek Жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillwardActually, after the FW16 turned out to be a dog, Ayrton suggested to the team to bring back the the passive FW15D tested at Estoril in January 1994 by Williams, as it hadn't had the same grave balance problems.

@rosstaylor1039 2 жыл бұрын

It just makes you think - you look at a 1994 F1 car and compare it to the W12, it's almost like comparing F2 to F1, so just imagine the advancements of these cars if the FIA had embraced driver aids for the last 25+ years. They would possibly be literally like rocket ships.

@martinlampert4721 2 жыл бұрын

SO '91 Canada WASN'T Mansell having too few revs for the gearbox to work from having no hydraulic pressure?

@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын

The Ferrari system was a technological dead-end, it was the Williams Weismann Quickshift that was adopted across the grid. Then in the early 00s F1 teams went to zero shift: m.f1network.net/main/bmw-sauber-f1/s491/st129248/the-secrets-of-f1-seamless-shift-gearboxes-part2

@6lemans10 2 жыл бұрын

At least Minardi invented the Titanium Gearbox.😎

@ReclusiveDuck 2 жыл бұрын

I think I remember (which means I'm probably completely wrong) that just before the 1993 season it was claimed McLaren actually ran a car without a driver. Does anybody here know about that or is my mind playing tricks on me?

@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын

Probably, in the late 1940s GM and RCA built a self driving car based on radio controlled beacons and magnets embedded in the road. The first AI driven vehicle using cameras was the late 60s and by the late 70s cars could drive themselves at low speeds. In the 80s radar and lidar where used to augment camera systems, Toyota had a very interesting project where they where testing a radar collision avoidance system by having it drive around a track while throwing concrete blocks in front of the car it was driving. Then in the 90s ARGO fitted a Lancia with their latest guidance system and it drove itself around Italy with very little human intervention (95% of the time it was driving itself as I recall.) Self-driving technology isn't new but it's only just become good enough to be a useful product to integrate into cars.

@sadwingsraging3044 2 жыл бұрын

GatEkeEpErs go yEEt!

@pranc236 2 жыл бұрын

And yet senna beat that 93 williams on a few occasions. Part of the undeniable myth i believe.

@McLarenMercedes 2 жыл бұрын

Ron Dennis called the McLaren MP4/8 a "d*mn fine car" and if one is to believe him they had caught and surpassed Williams by the end of the 1993 season on the chassis side. Certainly sounds plausible since both Senna and Hakkinen got really close to Prost and Hill in qualifying in the final races. What hampered the MP4/8 was the customer Cosworth V8 which although torquey and quite good on slower tracks obviously lacked top end power on faster tracks. Senna originally intended either to sit out 1993 or try Indycars but Dennis called him to test the new MP4/8. The first test went so well Senna said:"I think we have a good chance to win with this car."

@pranc236 2 жыл бұрын

@@McLarenMercedes chassis side im sure it was. Williams still had the active suspension. Which is a huge advantage. Not to take anything away from prost but if senna had that he would have most likely won in 93.

@darkoneforce2 2 жыл бұрын

McLaren also had active suspensions.

@GTChucker86 2 жыл бұрын

@@pranc236 The active suspension wasnt that big of an advantage since Mclaren had their own version as well. Sure its not as good as the williams active suspension but that alone closed the gap to the williams. The biggest weakness of the Mclaren that year was the Ford Cosworth V8 it ran

@pranc236 2 жыл бұрын

Well i stand corrected. I thought mclaren had none at all.

@phulcrum1984 2 жыл бұрын

Makes a Star Trek reference, has a Star Trek book on the shelf. *thumbs up*

@philippruest5577 2 жыл бұрын

Ferrari's semi automatic gearbox was tested already by... Gilles Villeneuve! Around 1981. He didn't like it as it took sth away from the driving challenge and thrill, he said.

@andrewdillon7837 Жыл бұрын

Mansell (not driver61) was the best of his time ,, went to Indy ,, and won ,, i watched nearly every race , he did struggle on ovals,,(grojean does a bit too ,,but..) i was just,,," don't crash , don't crash " at my tv ,,was a F%cken good race year,,,

@aydankhaliq2967 2 жыл бұрын

4:57 Really? I've got to search this now. Edit: he used to have hair.

@cyberfutur5000 Жыл бұрын

interesting though experiment, what if Williams would have singed Schumacher after 1994. (Or even better, Senna had better luck... we could have three 7 time champions now)

@321-Gone 2 жыл бұрын

modern f1 cars still use cams which also have no vvt/vvl? No cvt, but have hybrid. list goes on.

@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын

If you're only operating in a narrow rev-range, VVT/VVL doesn't really apply. It's more for street cars to broaden the torque curve, and to enable a car with both economic driving at low revs/loads but still high performance at high revs/loads. Most street-converted-to-race cars, or even street cars used frequently on track, eliminate the VVT/VVL systems (VTEC, VANOS) since they are basically only operating in the high end of the rev range.

@paulstone3209 Жыл бұрын

Did Mclaren not have a semi auto box till mid seaon 92????

@dee3368 Жыл бұрын

When you put the best driver in the best car you outrage the F1 Twitter mob

@FELiPES101 2 жыл бұрын

If those tech limits were not implemented who knows where road cars would be today with the trickle-down

@fuzzy1dk 2 жыл бұрын

roadcars have most of those gadgets now

@h3llr4iser1 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly where they are - all of these are used on road cars at the moment, at their highest / most evolved possible form without having a Polo cost as much as an F1 car. Active suspension, for example, is only sporadically used on road cars precisely for that reason - extremely high cost compared to the actual usefulness.

@tobihaifisch7558 2 жыл бұрын

9:02 Max "Mosely"?! C'mon, mate. You simply have to use that thingy, that all the young ones use... That Goggle.

@DeneF 2 жыл бұрын

and now drivers can't even get help from the engineers half the time.

@6lemans10 2 жыл бұрын

In 1993, McLaren beat Benetton with their Ford customer engines.

@6lemans10 2 жыл бұрын

@RoadhogTime13 Benetton had the higher spec factory engines. McLaren did not have Ford's factory support.

@6lemans10 2 жыл бұрын

@RoadhogTime13 Interesting.

@donathandorko 2 жыл бұрын

DISCLAIMER: Google any F1 steering wheel before mid 90s. Tech is great, but lets keep drivers drivers.

@sampathkumar1010 2 жыл бұрын

I guess control engineering was banned in favour of mechanical engineering

@shahdanial2449 2 жыл бұрын

Dainos

@LupusAries 2 жыл бұрын

So Aidan says The Michael is better than The Damon........ooooh thisss is gonna be guuuud! Better get the nuts (nuts>popcorn), sit back and enjoy the pandemonium!😁🔥🔥

@BigCat553 2 жыл бұрын

Damn n Hell vs Michael Shoemarket (real names)

@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын

I have some Lime & Chile covered Almonds...they're nuts!

@fnafboy-fnafgirlssistercar685 2 жыл бұрын

Purple = red bull?

@EhEhEhEINSTEIN 2 жыл бұрын

:22 LOL the uss enterprise was built 1958-61, I'm thinking modern F1 cars have her beat for tech! Sorry, been watching too much drachinifel lately

@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын

Wrong Enterprise 😜 Think Kirk.

@mattw404 2 жыл бұрын

It would be better if you would not put text on the screen while talking. I'm constantly having to pause the video if I want to take in all the information.

@JerryCrow 2 жыл бұрын

I beg to differ. They did have a technology not implemented today, but the technology in a singe "fail 84" sensors microchip exceeds what was in that williams. So i disagree with the title of the video, but i am just starting to watch it.

@rynosraceroom 2 жыл бұрын

the ref bulls not purple is it? if so , im colorblind

@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын

It was in 2013.

@otterplays8156 2 жыл бұрын

Get a skinhead lad, you'll suit it!!!

@moosheesterbeek3209 2 жыл бұрын

This is THE time to do a story about Valentino Rossi

@AidanMillward 2 жыл бұрын

If I gave a shit about motorbikes, sure. But I just have NO interest in them whatsoever.

@JohnSmithShields 2 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward you are Clarkson and I claim my free ground effect skirts.

@moosheesterbeek3209 2 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward that is a contender for the most direct fucking answer i've ever gotten. I tip my hat to you good sir

@deabreu.tattoo 2 жыл бұрын

Lauda used to say a monkey could drive the cars back then. Then he drove a Jaguar when he became a tech advisor, spun it twice, and never said that nonsense again.

@naebalvas 2 жыл бұрын

Driving aids doesnt equal more advanced.

@caincha 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's funny when a Brit says Mansell was a talented driver lol Anyway guess who was the Ferrari test driver helping develop the flappy paddle shift? The one and only Roberto Moreno! ;)

@GTChucker86 2 жыл бұрын

Mansell is a talented driver, and as far as brits go Aidan is one of the least biased ones imo.

@caincha 2 жыл бұрын

@@GTChucker86 agree about Aidan - which is why I'm subscribed - and definitely disagree about Mansell. I grew up seeing him driving not just KZfaq highlights and he was not a good driver.

@jarrod1766 2 жыл бұрын

@@caincha F1 and CART Champ but not a "talented driver"

@caincha 2 жыл бұрын

@@jarrod1766 fair enough. Perhaps because I grew up seeing him drive rather than look at Wiki stats I remember him more for the races he lost driving good cars and the championships he lost driving the best car on the grid - i.e.: lost to Piquet in 1987 and lost to Senna in 1991, two championships that were his to lose and he did manage to lose both...

@MrSniperfox29 2 жыл бұрын

@@caincha 1991 is a difficult one to call, McLaren were the better car for the first half of the season (in that they were reliable), where as by the time Williams had sorted out their issues the championship was virtually over. To claim that Mansell had the best car for 1991 as a whole is really a bit silly. 1986 yes the Williams was the best car, but Mansell and Piquets infighting allowed Prost to sneak the title (as he did not have to worry about losing points to his teammate), so should we declare that Piquet is a bad driver as well? Overall, you remind me of people who say Vettel isn't a good driver despite four world championships and 50 odd wins. If you can manage to win 31 grand prix and a world championship be a bad driver, that must mean everyone else you beat is even worse.