In regard to cyclical meteors, that is actually a thing! Every now and then our orbit intersects the orbit path of asteroid belts, and meteors are asteroids that enter our atmosphere. So you are absolutely correct, if Martin's world is as rooted in our reality as we think it is, certain periods of time are more "meteor rich" than others.

imagine having a smoke sesh with these two. i could sit and talk to you for hours.

To further your idea about the Deep Ones hating horses at the start of the stream, we interestingly see the exact opposite it the Dothraki who love horses and hate the sea. We also see the Iron born hating the Weirwoods who as you’ve said previously are symbolically shown as horses like Sleepnir, you can rise into the astral plane. Another great stream guys, cheers 💀🍻

tim saying “smoke weed every day” is my new favorite thing

another classic Dave and Tim team up! so glad i started catching these live! 💚💚💚

Please leave a LIKE and a COMMENT to support Dave and Tim. It really helps this get noticed by the algorithm 😎 This is the most thought provoking ASOIAF content on Utube!

Loved Tim's new video and little CASSIE omg

Trying to keep my mind off a "date" with a co-worker tomorrow. Thank you guys, you are the best!

You two have a good thing going! When a Livestream has a good conversation going it can be as informative as a video.

The dynamic duo, together again! ✨️🌠🌟...Just tuning in, late per usual..will definitelybe doing a re-watch for the full.. ... First thing I see is Tim holding up new kitty!?! 😍🥰😊 ...Despite mid-yawn, I audibly squeee-ed. Hello and welcome Lil Ms Cassie! She's darlin, congrats Tim! 💗... 'ight...cont...

I really like this theory, seems like your older videos in which you're still forming a theory and exploring ideas. Tim is a great guest.

I just wanted to say that beige and green suits you SOO well! Also, hair is majestic. Looking great man!

@David Lightbringer homework on Gealic myths. Look up fairy forts they are a real thing mushrooms and all. Elatha is a gray king type he sailed a silver ship that brought the tua de dannan to Ireland(wiki dagda click on link for his dad). Silver ship seems like weirwood ship. He married a fermorian daughter of a king(I think this 1st gen women character was omitted by the monks cus the mom of the oden type is often just referenced as the king daughter) and had three sons dagda nuada and ogma. The dad of Elatha wife was Balor of the evil eye this is were Gorge and Tolken get all the dark lord orc stuff. I think gorge is taking more from Gealic than Tolken seeing as its all the lord of the island before the sailors landed (you will want to add on your ironborn crests episode there so many things that are missed if people just think its a tolken reference). For the Iron born Nuada is want you want to read about in the new grange story he is the husband and the only one allowed in the cave were the River goddess source is and the hazel tree of knowledge is in the cave and the salmon lives there eating hazel nuts. His brother dagda after affair with the River goddess Boann used his magic horn to make a long night so Nuada would not know how much time had passed and that the river godess cheated. So the one who raises the spring god is the Water/dark god brother(samwell comes to mind). Not sure if dagda was after the girl the tree or the fish or if the are all the same the "eating the salmon of knowledge" mabee monks did have a sense a humour. Nuada has a silver pike from the tree of knowlege. All this stuff has big similarities to game of thrones and using Gealic stuff as the sypher I think Gray king is the one who led people to island took a local/magic/water/fishy woman with an evil dad as his bride then 2 sons become Garth the green and the Merling king (Storm god and drowned god) the iron born have an ancient grudge against the Garth the Green cousins and loyalty to the fermorian grandad balor evil eye and his squisher/fermorian ways. The spring god is punished when he wants to marry someone from a clan related to fermoran/squisher the Cair tribe (House tawny fits in here). I tried to make this more a guide a what to reserch then my theory but a simple wiki link might not have you on same track.most the reserch i done is during your vids. If I found a way to decode the story perfer to give you the info then share myself. hope this is helpfull you inspired a theory and I send Back to you. One more thing about the 1st people being inspired by the the iberian Irish connection you have rightly said George could not have known about it as people did not when he started writing the story but a tribe called the cair are in the old legends and history and would have inspired George as a 1st man archtype so look up about cair and the swans(and then look at house tawny again). Wonder if you read it all well I tried you told comment after so you could read. Forgot before but connection for Ironborn Dagda smacks a krackin with his club to the Irish sea but flip map and its where the Iron Islands are. You said before there is people called Morrigan on Iron islands this might not be an authur reference but Dagda's wife or wives are "The Morrigan". If you look at the new grange myth any party that was not happy about the affair are represented in the iron born

Great stream boys. Squish squish!

Thank you for another terrific stream, and congratulations to Tim on the new cat 🐈

Thanks again David and Tim!

Fab stream!

My favorite online duo! The best team running!!

That Patchface theorizing at the end tho. Thanks to everyone who brought in unique takes and thought-provoking theories

My life's been a mess I haven't been catching the streams but I watch them when I can and pretend we're live together ❤

That was a super interesting one. Good stuff.

Love these guys soooo much

Praise be unto Garth

The book a world of ice and fire mentions that even Gods die. I'm wondering if Garth, the Grey king, and the drowned God are all the same beings. He's just slowly morphing into something new. Or maybe the storm God drowned garth or something. Love the videos :)

loved it and loved the new essay 👍

Instructions unclear, I confused the prickle fish and the holy spirit and now I have a Bible in my ass 😂

🧬 Hybridization analyzation 🧬

The two of you are a golden combination. One nitpick: could you make it that both are equally framed? Now Tim seems so small in a corner.

I recently watched meat canyons video about the dagon movie and watched it, now it pops up everywhere i look, the squishers are after me😂

Can’t wait for the rewatch ❤thanks for all the great content

U've trained me well: as soon as u read the quote about the ironborn bringing the fire of the gods out of the sea, my first thought was: uuuuh, it must have sth. to do with the meteor impact! Great video as always! U 2 make the perfect duo to bounce off ideas of each other ❤❤❤👏👏👏

Hi David and Tim! @ 16:45 you ask the question "what do the deep ones want" What if it's the oily stone at the heart of winter? And that's why there are "dead things in the water" at hardhome? It's too far inland and too cold for the deep ones to currently get to, and it's creating The Others, who the deep ones would oppose.

Amazing stream. The both of you have done great work! 👏👏👏

Time for oily black stone toad 🐸 great stream, catching up and congrats to Tim for that beautiful calico girl ❤

Love listening to these. Thank you for the wonderful video

11:20 Shoutout to the Babel Fish of The Hitchhikers Guide...

The squishers got to Tim in the end...

Always a treat listening to you guys. Thanks for all your hard work :)

Always love David coming back from praising Garth and barely keeping from losing it coughing

lets go, another banger from david and tim

I love anything Ironborn. Thanks for another thought provoking stream, sers! They never disappoint. 💛

cool stream. I really liked the Trinity symbolism. Looking forward to this plot in TWOW

Incredible video as always thanks guys.

Stayed in the bath too long cause I watched this whole video.

“The flame the drowned god brought from the sea” for the people of old seems reminiscent of Prometheus stealing fire from the gods to bring to humanity, which had connotations of technology and intelligence, but also of danger and destruction.

Thank you for the great content!

Love the videos. Speaking of Littlefinger, I feel like I haven’t really seen any content on him. I would love to see more on him.

When one of Alyssa Farmans ships was apparently taken by a kraken during a storm was she sacrificing the ship and it's crew to the Drowned God in order to save the other two (or maybe just her own)? Sunchaser seems to show up afterwards in relatively good shape.

HERE WE GO!!!!!!

The inserted Picklefish reminds me of Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy Babel Fish that gets put in the ear and translates languages

LmL always has the drip. I need to get a Garth shirt!

House Greenhand: "Any port in a storm"

Something that alway bugged me for some reason: I used to think Lizard Lions were crocodiles but they're specifically named as living in Sothoryos and Lizard Lions are described as looking like floating logs so I guess they're alligators or caimans? But then why did they get named Lizard Lions and not alligators, like the Sothoryi crocs have their real-life name? And lions exist in Essos too, not just Westeros I believe, so I think it's just a bit of dynamic naming conventions being used. It makes SO MuCH SENSE, the fortress on Battle Isle in Oldtown first being made out of oil black stone by the Squishers and then the GEotD built their own fused stone fort on top of it. I've always thought it was weird that the Battle Isle fortress is not only made out of oily black stone but also fused oily black stone on top, I used to think it was just the GEotD that built things out of oily black stone but ever since I began watching LML way back, my Third Eye has been opened by the 3 Eyed Crow. The description of the Vale of Shadows just makes me think about the giant Chasm that the protagonists fall into in the 2005 King Kong movie. The pit is so deep and the walls so imposing that it's difficult for light to even reach the bottom, and I'm sure that there are far darker creatures in the Vale of Shadow and the Shadowlands than on Skull Island. You think gigantic crickets, whip scorpions, and worms were terrifying? Imagine the unbelievable horrors that hide in the nigh impenetrable darkness of the Shadow Peninsula. I'm beginning to wonder if the Squishers and their thralls built Yeen and the other sites in the Basilisk Isles, maybe even Battle Isle and Moat Cailin, during the Long Night from all of the meteoric remnants left in the oceans. It would make sense why there isn't more absolutely corrupted places like in the Iron Isles, the Arm of Dorne, and the Thousand Islands which look like the most heavily destroyed impact sites. Perhaps it was done as part of some Pan-Oceanic Empire(™me XD) masquerading as a safe haven for the other sapient species of Planetos (humans, Green Men, CotF, Giants, maybe the extinct species in Sothoryos too??) as a response to the Others' invasion like Tim said. The downfall of that empire was probably caused during or right after the Long Night just like Euron's/the Squishers' new empire will be defeated before the end of the story. I am completely in support of the theory that the Grey King was the first Green Man ruler of a united Iron Islands(/Iron Peninsula?) who had travelled from the GEotD and married both a First Man/Squisher hybrid wife and a normal First Man wife. All the evidence you've talked about points to this being done to appease both the Squishers, who knew that a war with the GEotD over the Iron Islands/Peninsula would be catastrophic for both "nations", and the First Men that weren't complete hybrids and identified more with the proto-Ironborn ideas you mentioned in previous videos.

I’m so immersed and I find this analysis so interesting! Great job Lightbringer and Grey Waste Tim! 👏🏽🦑🔥🐉 However, I’m a bit confused on some parts (I apologize if this has already been discussed and or answered) and need help ;( I don’t get how some of these theories intersect and connect; what’s the Deep Ones connection to the White Walkers? From what I’ve gathered, there seems to be a huge emphasis on duality in George RR Martins A Song Of Ice & Fire? But after watching your videos… not only do we have the White Walkers connected to an ice moon/deity (evil aspect) going to war against the remnants of the Empire Of The Dawn (Targaryens) and their dragons (Fire Moon)…. But we have a drowned God coming into play as well? Assuming there is such a thing as a benevolent god-like force in this series. So it’s a Song Of Water, Ice & Fire ?? I don’t get it! How do we connect The Drowned God with the Nights King/Azor Ahai? Is it through Euron? This Dark Sider of the Greenseers. Make it make sense, please! My brain is hurting over here 😅😆🧠 ⚡️

Loved it 🎉🎉🎉

Great stream as always! What’s the best way to reach out to you with a long form theory? If you’re open to it, your inbox may be flooded already.

What about K´Dath on the Grey Cold eastern dessert where even the fearsome Shrykes dare not to approach and which seems to dispute alongside Asshai, Yeen (though unnadressed), Stygai (also unnadressed), Assai, and even perhaps Carcossa and the nameless ruins at Ullos island nearby to the very little that is ever known of Ulthos landmass, as the "most ancient city of the world" having all of those places kinda heavily disputing the title even not properly mentioning it in al! (Just so far only K´Dath and Assai does as that but the other well could be inferred on their own though never ever addresing it Seems that the worship of fearsome crazy outer-deities match the same as Asshai or even pushing furtherly on the same dark Lovecraftian-like lore stuff as the ancient complex background of the World of Fire & Ice of G.R.R. Martin, whchi goes beyond the Deep-Ones alone!!!

Smaller point, you mentioned Baelish abducting Sansa…she’s part Tully. So the Merling King arrived to steal away the Fish Maiden (mermaid)

This just hit me when you were talking about the Grey King becoming a 'Statue' when he was going Gray. You touched on the Gray King being a part of the _Westward Sailors_ coming from Asshai. And in Tim's Color of Asshai... Graying King further pointing towards Assahi Mariners coming to the Squisher Cults?

In Dungeons and Dragons there is an event cataclysmic event called the Tearfall, an ancient magic civilization abused magic and either an ice moon or a lot of meteors fell from the sky starting earthquakes, volcanos tsunamis, changes on the seas, changing the climate of the entire world, destroying that empire and giving birth to protodragons born from the meteors, this is a core event for the forgotten realms the main setting for dnd wich exists since 1967. Martin played TTRPG he prefered Call of C’thullu but he also Played D&D. (I posted the same coment yesterday but got deleted, I think it was deleted because I put a link to the dnd wiki page😅)

What if the squishers are water wights? They started as human but died and were reanimated like Berric Dondarion, but with a wetter kiss of life, performed by the drowned priests. When they come back, there is less of them as they were and they’re a bit fishier every time. What is dead cannot die.

Any holes a goal 😂😂😂😂 I’m dead Tim! Thanks for another great stream.

Wish I'd caught this one live but had to watch the Bills lose. 1 thought 1 question. Thought: The story of the crow man and the Cecaelia reminds me of Night King and Queen. Question: How did the Velaryons get into Merling King culture? It seems very First Man and the Velaryons are closer to being last men than anything. Great stream!

Plenty of species evolve in the same environment and rely on each other. Flowers rely on bees. Trees rely on birds. It's not that weird for a species to rely on another to reproduce, they just have to have evolved into their current form alongside each other.

Manderley's came from the mouth of the river Mander, so similar history to the Ironborn with West Coast Grey King-Mermaid Wife and Selkies

HOLY ISLANDS! You’ve been out too long in the midnight sea! (Sorry I couldn’t help myself)

To follow up more on Irish Mythology: The Tuatha De Danann, the highly advanced civilization that came to Ireland, fought the Fir Bolg, and then lost to the Milesians, are said to have brought with them a “Sword of Light.” Lightbringer inspiration no doubt.

Re: the crannogmen being part children of the forest and part squished. It seems that the crannogmen are implied to be descendents of the Fisher Queens, with their roaming castle. I'm curious what the connection is between Fisher Queens, who are said to have been wise and benevolent, and the deep ones who seem malevolent. Thoughts?

My watery resurrection after Dave killed me w the holy spirit=pricklefish walkie talkie😂

2:13:26 Maybe drowning is only successful with Green Men (skinchanger) hybrids because their spirit can go somewhere else while they are dead and return after resurrection like Coldhands versus Wights? That would explain why Grey King is the first one.

This is the second time a youtube person I watch has a cat named cleo, but I'm glad it's happened twice

Jon Stark raised the wolf’s den to defend the white knife from raiders. Years and years later, the wolf’s den is taken by a group of slaver until they’re driven out by Brandon “ice eyes” Stark. This sounds like a parallel to me of Bran setting Jon free from his wolf body after being stuffed inside Ghost after his death. After all, Jon Stark raised the WOLF’S DEN which is just another way of saying Ghost’s body and then the wolf’s den is set free from bondage by a BRANDON STARK.

31:14 Don't worry I'm not cutting my hair 😂

The Yellow Whale from Yunkai, that Tyrion serves, is another big guy, that smells bad and have aquatic symbolism...

Thank you, I was wondering about the crannogmen after the last video! Also, do you think there are freshwater and saltwater squishers? 🤔 (just kidding)

Re Tim's point about weirwoods apparently being "fickle" because they can't grow on the Iron Islands and in The Vale, allegedly because the ground is "too stony and loose", it may be that that diagnosis is an assumption rather than a proven fact. Perhaps the _real_ reason why Weirwoods can't grow in those two places is that they can't connect to the weirwood-net, i.e. the underground network of fungi-like mycellum that we assume links the roots of all weirwoods, there. The iron Islands are offshore and possibly sitting on top of a huge iron deposit, and The Vale seems to be an outcrop of bedrock with very thin soil over it and ring of equally solid mountains cutting it off from the rest of the continent. Now it could be pointed out that there are isolated weirwood trees in Westeros, such as the one in King's Landing, however the continent was originally abundant with them and the First Men only cut the above-ground trees down (there's nothing I can recall about them digging the roots out), so it may be that the below-ground weirwood-net still exists and is still connected.

I am late to the game on this video , but a potential reason for the Deep Ones hybridizing could be to alleviate their own population bottlenecks. Small populations can interbred for a while, but that eventually becomes problematic. Different types of animals/creatures have different levels of inbreeding tolerances before it would become genetically damaging. A species that was very long lived, and very ancient would theoretically have everything, including their genetic material would have considerable longevity and tolerances

Could the green kings/green seers somehow control and skinchange the deep ones? And that being the reason why the farming has decreased, since the humans got some form of magic to stand up against the deep ones?

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Thrice drowned 😂

Weirwoods can grow in the Vale, its just that they can't grow on the granite out cropping on the Eryie. Could the Meteor/Volcano/Naga event that made the Iron Islands break from the Mainland have washed out the soil on the Islands? Then Naga's bones could be the roots of Ygg, that could grow in the formerly fertile(Reaping) islands.

The whole Grey King taking werewoods from Ashai is much like Isildur (I think it was either him or his father) taking the white tree sapling from Numenor, the holy island and greatest civilization of mankind in Tolkien’s mythology. This sapling would become the famous white tree at the heart of Gondor Also, Isildur’s family was leaving Numenor due to the civilization and its king Ar Pharazon (much like the Bloodstone Emperor) being corrupted (by Sauron). Sauron became the high priest of Numenor in its waning days, and Numenor fell from worship of Eru to worship of Morgoth and of evil. This is the story of the fall of Tolkien’s Atlantis. The fall of Numenor is doubtless where George got the idea for the Great Empire of the Dawn and the Bloodstone Emperor as well, the Bloodstone Emperor himself being a combination of the dark sorcerer Sauron and the usurper king Ar Pharazon

Why only thinking about the power fishmens getting by crossbreed with humans? Durrandon Godgrief lived at a place where an ocean raised as well as the First King of the Ironborn. First men were clearly bond to land so they had to adopt to a new element - water. They could clearly get huge advantages by getting closer to a species which is waterbased. Because that give the ability to them to tame the water. And water is resource-rich; fish, pearls, seaweed as well as being a huge road to far places.

Would water magic be limited to h2o or would would it work on any liquid?

Don’t fish usually reproduce by spawning? I don’t think that requires physical contact, just a swim in the milky sea.

I'm still processing this stream, but what do you think about Wyman Manderly's granddaughter being called Wylla? Saw a post on r/asoiaf. Seems there's some link, Wyman being a confidant about Jon for Ned or something. Not that it's squisher-related. But is Wyman under their influence at all?

Yay!!

This may be stupid, but what about Yeen, Moat Calin, Frog Idol etc. being built _underwater_ ,then water levels change? It explains the size/weight of the blocks; underwater architecture! Battle Isle, a Squisher spire to the surface, claimed by dragon lords. If they're older than GreatEmOTD. Too absurd?

Wish we got a season 3 of raised by wolves

Could it be that the rhoynar were unaffected by the squishers because they were protected by the giant turtles? Could that be why they are important to the rhoynar?

i know that this is way off topic, but im listening to storm now, davos chapter after talking to stannis about edric storm, and the description of dragonstone, is very different, entered the hall thru the mouth of a dragon the kitchen was a dragon with smoke coming out his nose, the towers were dragons hunched read to take flight. did i miss hear that or is the real dragonstone waaaaayyyyy cooler in books?

A song of earth and water 🦌🐟

Strong Belwas is another big strong dude with gappy teath. He hates horses. Love to kill and eat meat. He doesn't feel pain as other people, because he let them cut him. He doesn't die from the poisoned locousts. He's a pitfighter like Biter and the other kids in King's Landing. He's a eunuck. Is that a thing conected to Squishers?

I'm starting to think that maybe the Deep Ones are all female, rather than male. For a few reasons: first, so many stories are about merMAIDS and taking a mermaid to wife, and the water power coming from the women. Second, it's something interesting GRRM would do make it so that instead of women being taken by the men to breed, it's the other way around. Also, it kind of makes sense with the "salt wives" and "rock wives" in a way. If there are a lot of women, all you need is one guy to get a lot of you pregnant to make a whole bunch of new hybrid babies. The Iron Born just got mixed up about who their leaders are because when you keep seeing the MEN be taken, perhaps that means they are the powerful ones. And it also goes with the fact that in the thousand isles, it's the women with more fishy features with their sharp teeth! Lastly, though, is the "how did they evolve to NEED humans to reproduce?" Well, perhaps they are an asexually reproducing spieces that realized the benefits of reproducing sexually include more genetic diversity (and all the cool evolution stuff we can't get into now). But, basically, all the creatures that can both sexually and asexually reproduce have the females as able to basically clone themselves. Much like the Others are all clones of each other!

Praise Garth!

The first meal Jesus shared with his disciples after his death was fish.

Is Devos now being controlled by the deep ones? Do we have a drowned man POV!!!??? 🤯 @DavidLightbringer you spoil me

i need one of thoses shirts??????

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Squisher King!