The Most Versatile Cartridge - Season 2: Episode 80

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In this episode, I'll answer listener questions, including one on the most versatile cartridge. I will explore the capabilities and versatility of different types of cartridges and ultimately determine which one is the most versatile. We will be looking at a variety of factors, including the types of firearms that the cartridge can be used in, the range and accuracy of the cartridge, and its potential uses in different situations. Whether you are a seasoned shooter or just getting started with firearms, this video is sure to provide you with valuable information on the versatility of different cartridges. So sit back, relax, and join us as we dive into the world of cartridges and find out which one comes out on top as the most versatile.
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:36 - Coriolis Effect
06:09 - Most Versatile Cartridge
12:48 - Rifle Shortage
14:01 - Remmington vs Bergara Rifle Cost
14:58 - Bottleneck Centerfire Cartridge Restrictions
18:11 - 225 Winchester
21:26 - Savage Impulse Rifle
23:26 - Tikka in 308 Winchester
26:23 - Handloading Manuals
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
Produced by: Red 11 Media - www.red11media.com/
Disclaimer
All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not modify any cartridge or firearm beyond what the manufacturer recommends. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely.

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@leeadams5941 Жыл бұрын

The most versatile in the United States would have to be the 30.06, which will take anything in North America, period. It's been around since before Ron was born (yes, it's really that old) and it still works like it always has.

@danielmaine45 Жыл бұрын

I'd say with the more modern bullets and powders available now it's even more versatile then when it came out!😋

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

Yes, as I remember Mom and Dad put the then new 30-06 cartridge atop my first birthday cake and lit it. What a blast that party was!

@daveyboy728 Жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Ron that comment made me laugh out loud after I just got my baby daughter to sleep! Thanks! Haha!

@markchapman2585 Жыл бұрын

I agree with you 100%, I'm in Canada me and most my friends and family have 30-06 few have a 308. But I also love my 270 and 243.

@daveyboy728 Жыл бұрын

@@markchapman2585 I live in Canada as well. 30-06 is a staple. I see a lot of 303 british though as well.

@danielmaine45 Жыл бұрын

I would vote for the 30-06...even more so if you are a reloader.

@mattevans-koch9353 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Ron for another pleasant evening about firearms and all the things around them. What is a very nice feature of the older manuals in addition to possibly having cartridge loading information for cartridges that may not be in the new manuals, is that they have loading information for bullets that may not be being made any more or have had the name changed. I have several boxes of Hornady, Sierra and Nosler bullets that are not listed in some of the online manuals for those brands, but I reloaded them regularly before I lost my old manuals and reloading logs. Have a very Merry Christmas sir and a Happy New year.

@bryandale7125 6 ай бұрын

.22LR is the most versatile cartridge since it has taken everything from mice to elephants and everything inbetween.

@danielkearney3295 Жыл бұрын

love the closing comment about the books, look for them all the time, and had a few others look also,, if we see them we get them,, reloading, hunting, guns , fishing, even a 250 page book on just knots. lent it to a friend who lost his cable and internet,, he read that and practiced all winter.

@johnoltrogge6333 Жыл бұрын

Good suggestion on the reloading manuals Ron. I recently purchased a used 338 RCM and if not for one of my old manuals, I wouldn't have loading data for it.

@didinator14 Жыл бұрын

The most shooting caliber in Germany is the 308 but I think the 7x57, 7x64 or 8x57IS would take a good place as versatile cartridge.

@georgesakellaropoulos8162 Жыл бұрын

7x64 is a really nice round.

@DasGoodSoup Жыл бұрын

My cousin in rural texas uses 7.5

@jimdavis3273 Жыл бұрын

The .225 Winchest was introduced in 1964 and the parent case was the old .219 Zipper. The .225 winchester pushes a 40gr bullet at 4020fps and the 22-250 Remington was introduced as a factory cartridge in 1965. The 22-250 pushes a 40gr bullet 4224fps and the parent case for it was the 250-3000 Savage.

@waynemayle865 Жыл бұрын

Where did u come up with the fps on both cartridges from just curious

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

Good info, Jim. O more interest to most might be the MV of 55-grain bullets in each. Via handloading safely, expect 3,500 from the 225 Win., 3,700 from 22-250, 3,850 from 220 Swift. The obsolete 219 Zipper was made from 30-30 Win. case, but in the 225, Winchester turned the rim down to .473", same as 30-06 so it fits bolt faces of that family. 225 is, like the 220 Swift, considered a semi-rimmed design. Cool stuff, eh? I don't think any major manufacturer has chambered 225 Win, since the mid 1970s!

@jimdavis3273 Жыл бұрын

@@waynemayle865 I looked it up on the internet.

@DinoNucci Жыл бұрын

Oh stop

@spacecat7247 Жыл бұрын

I used to have a 225 Winchester it was a great gun and yes it is nearly identical to the 22 250 except for it being a rimmed case. The original hot Western loads where 55 grains at 3650 feet per second. Later on they slowed them down just a little bit because of all the handloaders burning them up just like they did with the 220 Swift. A lot of people don't know about them because they were kind of a flash-in-the-pan even though it is a great round, the 22 250 had too much time in saddle before the 225 was introduced. Mine was about a 65 or 66 Model. Unfired with a 22-inch Barrel. Unfired and I had about eight boxes of ammunition for it but I sold it to a friend. I just couldn't bring myself to shoot it.

@thomasjefferson4662 Жыл бұрын

Ron is the cartridge master

@mikepaul2485 Жыл бұрын

I was in the local gun shop last week and they had an .225 Winchester on the used rack for sale. First time I ever seen and handled one.

@neilis2405 Жыл бұрын

I've got a Winchester 670 in .225 Winchester but I VERY rarely shoot it. I've got around 35 brass cases for that gun and its darned hard (or expensive) to find more :).

@richardgregory6653 Жыл бұрын

I have one that my father built many years ago.. He was a gunsmith /custom gun builder. It is on a low wall action.. very accurate.

@damham5689 Жыл бұрын

Both my grandfather and my dad lived through the great depression in the 30s. Though my dad [now 96] was just a kid at the time he still hunted food with his dad. They had many types of firearms but both swore the 30-06 was the best all around cartridge. It can be loaded for elk all the way down to loads for rabbits. But a shotgun would be an excellent choice too. IMO. Just wanted to add that I think it would depend on your geographic location too. If youre up north, you might want something for larger game. But if youre in an area where the largest game is white tail or smaller, then you wouldnt need a large caliber.

@RonSpomerOutdoor. Жыл бұрын

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@tomknode9930 Жыл бұрын

Hello Ron, Parent case for the 225 Winchester was the .219 zipper

@mulder4528 Жыл бұрын

Have to agree 30-06 would be it if I could only have one hunting rifle. Though .308 and 7mm 08 would be good second choices I would think. Yes on the hand loading for sure, but may or not be doable for everyone. Good info from Ron as usual.

@RonSpomerOutdoor. Жыл бұрын

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@johanstenstrom4153 Жыл бұрын

In the old continent we have 6.5x55SE, 7x64, 8x57JS, 9.2x62, 9,2x66SAKO and other calibres that drop major of game. Appreciate reviews of these

@scottsozmtns7534 Жыл бұрын

Speaking of the .225 Win, makes me think of the .256 Win Mag & how I’d love to find one in a “bolt”, gun. I have a Tikka “Forest”, in .260 Rem & it’s a great rifle! Wood stock, clean lines, 3-lug bolt & 1-length action regardless of short or long actions to handle ALL cartridges w/o changing the build of the rifle. I’d like to get my hands of the new Sako S20 Bolt-Modular type rifle set up in a 6.5x55mm Swede. When I bought my 1st “Deer Rifle”, I looked at a Winchester Model 70 in .270 & a Remington Model 700 in .30-06’ & both were selling for $350. I chose the Remington 700 in the 06’ & have loved that gun & caliber all my life and would never part w/it. To me it is THE caliber for North America, but not sure about the “World”, as it depends on game pursued & the person behind the rifle as many things are capable from any caliber if the “shooter”, knows their gun & where to put that bullet all in the nano-second you have to decide when your quarry pops out for the shot.

@robspath4203 Жыл бұрын

About the corriolis effect; if you consider the path of anything as inertial and straight line, as the Earth rotates under that object the path will “appear”to be deflected to the right in the northern hemisphere. The effect is more pronounced near the equator due to the higher rotational velocity.

@bobmosier2246 Жыл бұрын

Yes Ron, just held my 93 yr. old cousin's model 70 225 Win a couple of weeks ago. He swears by it for anything out to 300 yards or so. But I have yet to actually shoot it.

@retrogunroom Жыл бұрын

I've used a 7 mag for a good all-rounder for years, but after some slow deaths of moose and bison, I've decided I like 7 mag for elk and smaller, 35 Whelen (or .338, .358, 9.3 ect) for the bigger critters

@timeverett7828 Жыл бұрын

35 Whelen is king for all the big critters. In North America!

@silaspierre1377 Жыл бұрын

curious why not stop in the middle an go 300 win mag? slightly more recoil than 7mm rem mag but less than 338 wm

@Anschutz270 Жыл бұрын

I was shooting at a gravel pit a little north of Fairbanks, AK and a guy showed up with a Chapuis Double in 375H&H. I had just finished shooting my Ruger No. 1 in 375 and he let me take a few shots. He had reloaded some cast boolits at 38-55 velocities and they were very mild. Beautiful rifle as well. My vote would be the 375 or maybe the 45-70. You can load anything from 145gr collar button gallery loads to some real shoulder stompers.

@rogerramjet7567 Жыл бұрын

I totally agree!! Old Elmer Keith said “bigger is better “ , truer words were never spoken. 👍👍

@25acpunderrated71 Жыл бұрын

As for "most versitile cartridge, My opinon: (large grain of salt) Pistol Caliber: 22lr Intermediate Caliber: 5.56mm (not 223) Full Rifle Caliber: 7.62x51 (or 30-06 depending on neccesity) Shotgun Caliber: 12ga Note: I did not include dangerous game or long range calibers as I feel I don't have enough experience in these fields. But if you put a gun to my head I would say: Long Range: 338 Laupua, 375 or 408 Cheytac Dangerous Game: 375 H&H, or 416 Rigby Again these are my personal opinions take them with a grain of salt.

@nozrep Жыл бұрын

Backfire channel reviewed some Tika guns. Can’t remember what he said. But to me he’s like my fellow millennial version of Spomer and I really enjoy both of their channels a lot when it comes to these type of subjects

@westleyjohn87 Жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh Ron! You have to work the bolt on a Tikka T3! I want to see your reaction. It's the smoothest bolt! Second to none.

@xrysoryba Жыл бұрын

The 225 was the 30-30 case necked to 22 and blown out (think 219 improved Zipper) then the rim was reduced in thickness and diameter to match the 308 bolt face. In addition to the model 70 the inexpensive Savage model 340 was chambered for it.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

I think you nailed it, Mark. Thanks!

@russellkeeling4387 Жыл бұрын

I have a small stack of loading manuals of which the oldest is the Speer #1 copywrite 1954. The only use I have for my newer manuals is they have information on the newer powder choices. As far as load data I find the old manuals more useful than the newer ones. If I need a load for a .25 Souper I can find it or a .25 Neidner. The Newton cartridges are interesting and I'd love to try them but I've never seen them other than in these old manuals.

@alpham777 Жыл бұрын

Coriolis effect ( like all physics) always affects the projectile regardless the direction or range fired up to orbital or escape velocity of the earth (spaceships have to account for it on reentry) sure up close it might be literally microns but it is there and out to 1000 yards with some slower ammo it's pretty notable.

@franzschmid9079 Жыл бұрын

Straight pull rifles "Savage Impulse" Correct Ron, the Savage Impulse has the same system as the Heym rifles. I'm using the Savage Impulse for driven hunting in Europe (wild boar mostly) with very good success. Straight pull of the Savage works perfect and I had good success with it. For driven hunt in Europe - a lot of straight pull rifle are used, like Blaser R93 or R8, Haym or in this days also Savage Impulse. regards from Switzerland

@paulfaggart3423 Жыл бұрын

I've always liked Switzerland for the sole purpose that you guys have a strong gun culture, and are one of the only actual free nations. Have gun control measures begun over there yet, or is your right to have guns still pretty strong?

@franzschmid9079 Жыл бұрын

@@paulfaggart3423 still free but resrictions coming mor and more, with stupid colaboration with EU law. But good that we are still not a member of this stupid organisation led by the big money payer Germany!

@twointhebush6611 Жыл бұрын

Great video. The coriolis effect is basically that the target moves along with the surface of the earth as the bullet travels through the air, bullet unaffected by the earth's rotation, it's mostly irrelevant within 1000 or so yards but the longer the bullet flight time increases the more it comes into play and would change with every change of angle against the direction of rotation, Just my understanding of it. 308 gets my vote for versatility, and I'm not a diehard 30 cal fan, the stuff is just everywhere, reasonably priced and many varied loads available from 147-180gr. A bit much for small game and barely enough for very large but can do the job.

@jamesvanwinkle7775 Жыл бұрын

I love my .308. It even shoots 125 grain very accurately with very little recoil.

@TexanUSMC8089 Жыл бұрын

The Coriolis effect is real, but only at extreme long range. It may not even be that big of a deal at 1000 yards. Shooting east or west, your bullet can be high or low. Shooting north and south, your bullet can be off left or right. I'd have to check with some ELR shooters to see when it really affects your shot. I don't shoot far enough or well enough to worry about it. lol

@rottiesrule5285 Жыл бұрын

i'm with you on that...500yds. or under..i really don't think this is going to effect me much.....not that i'm sayin i'm a good shot at that range...where i hunt rare if ever anything over 200 yds most is 100 or less...

@dr.froghopper6711 Жыл бұрын

Me too! I’m out West too and 99% of rifles will shoot a lot better than I can. The eyeballs ain’t what they were 45 years ago!

@georgesakellaropoulos8162 Жыл бұрын

With a 308 diameter bullet that weighs 190 grains, has a G1 bc of about .490, driven at 2700 fps, at the Equator, full value will give a deviation of about 4 inches at 1000 yards due to the Coriolis effect. This is generally not enough to worry about for all but the most extreme shooters.

@anthonykaiser974 Жыл бұрын

Artillery lives and breathes Coriolis effect since we tend to fire distances in thousands or tens of thousands of meters. Here's a good link that helps explain: walter.bislins.ch/blog/media/FieldArtilleryManualCannonGunnery.png

@johnmorganjr769 2 ай бұрын

Same here. About 300 y/m is my self imposed limit on living game, "respect for quarry stuff". 🏞

@ronladuke7235 Жыл бұрын

I believe I have those same editions of those old loading manuals that you showed there lol.

@RoxVrod Жыл бұрын

Ron I recommend Ryan M. Clecker's book, "Long Range Shooting Handbook". He is a former U.S. Army sniper and really knows his stuff. Anyway, on pages 159-160, Cleckner explains the "Coriolis Effect" very well. This is part of chapter 10 "Ballistics" which explains this and other forces on a bullet. Highly recommend Clicker's book He makes all the information simple to understand and interesting to read. By the way, I enjoy your videos. They are informative and fun.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads up, Rox. Bryan Litz's books are also excellent.

@RoxVrod Жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Thx. I will checkout Bryan Litz's book.

@jmc041071 3 ай бұрын

Hi Ron, if I'm not mistaken, and I could very well be, but I think Beretta makes a rifle now with a straight pull bolt.

@markloomis1415 Жыл бұрын

Hey Ron, you're missing the point. The most "versatile " cartridge by far is the .458 Winchester Magnum or the .458 Lott! I have been using the .458's for over 40 yrs and have killed woodchucks, deer, antelope, caribou, moose, bear, Waterbuffalo, Cape Buffalo and even rabbits and partridge by loading the straight cases as shotshells! The .458"s can be loaded down to 45-70 power, and loaded with 250gr bullets at over 3000fps! Truly, mice to elephants!

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

Ha ha, Mark. I don't think I was missing the point. I just wasn't hammering it quite to the degree you are!

@jfess1911 Жыл бұрын

A friend of mine in NC noticed a bullet hole in the sliding-glass door of their family room, in their baby's play area. They live in heavily wooded area, so I was surprised that a tree had not stopped the bullet. The fact that it was in the baby's play area is what really shook them up.

@Suplexcityme316 Жыл бұрын

Smaller bullets may not ricochet at all if it misses trees and branches, plus even some 9mm handgun loads can go through your home and into your neighbors. I live in a state that just allowed the straight wall cartridges like the 450 Bushmaster, that's probably as close as we'll getting to a bottleneck centerfire.

@jfess1911 Жыл бұрын

@@Suplexcityme316 In my area of NC, bottlenecked cartridges are allowed and people who live next to a wooded area sometimes have treestands literally in their backyards. The big issue is when a new house is built in a formerly wooded area. People who have hunted on a property all their lives may not know it is there. I live in a relatively new subdivision and can still see three old treestands within 100 ft of our property line. Luckily, our development is big enough that the neighbors know about it.

@bryanfox2735 Жыл бұрын

I’ve a 7-08. I like the barns ttsx, but all I can find is 120grn. I know that’s good for deer and under. Should I go heavier for elk?

@karloz83 Жыл бұрын

Ooh nice one I love my 220 swift it’s sweet as my go to gun with 50grn the 204 is pretty handy but not on bigger game. 264 win mag is awesome as.

@RonSpomerOutdoor. Жыл бұрын

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@pyro4681 Жыл бұрын

I have shot a .225 Win. Have dies for it too, but we are a Swift family. Run it a grain or two below max, and the throat holds out for a lot longer.

@garyh1449 Жыл бұрын

I was going to get a Tikka T3x but got a Sauer 100 instead. I think it has some better features. There are more after market products for the Tikka Though.

@thebosscatman7 Жыл бұрын

O iam sorry

@laurogarza4953 Жыл бұрын

I can agree with your readers' selection of 30-06 Springfield as an excellent example of a very versatile cartridge; however, I would argue that, here in the lower 48 states, the 357 Maximum is the most versatile rifle cartridge. This cartridge, similar in performance to 30-30 Winchester, is excellent for whitetail deer and feral hogs. A rifle so chambered can also load 357 Magnum, 38 Special and 38 Short Colt which can easily take rabbits without wasting meat. Such a rifle would be a lightweight four season rifle. A single shot or modified lever action would be all the rifle any outdoorsman would ever need. There's something to talk about.

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Жыл бұрын

357 maximum is only marginally better than the 350 Legend. And it’s not going to handle western hunting very well at all. Maybe in the south/east. With 30-06 there is a projectile and powder for everything, and I do mean everything. Edit: after checking the numbers again, 357 Max isn’t even capable of the same performance as 350 legend due to case capacity and SAAMI pressure specs. So no definitely not for the entirety of the lower 48.

@neilis2405 Жыл бұрын

The atmosphere is indeed rotating at the same speed of the Earth. Think about it this way: the circumference of the Earth is 24,901 miles. At the equator, the rotation speed at the surface is therefore 1037 miles per hour (in order for it to make one complete revolution every 24 hours). If the atmosphere wasn't rotating along with the surface, you'd feel it cruising by at that speed as wind of the same speed, but you don't. The wind we do feel is nowhere near 1000+ mph and is instead the variance FROM the rotation speed caused by other factors (largely the uneven heating of the atmosphere by the sun).

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

Ah, great point, Neilis. Makes sense. I love learning stuff like this. Thanks for sharing.

@seanmay6727 Жыл бұрын

Tikka has a 2 lug bolt I have 2 tikka rifles 6.5x55 and 223rem great rifles love them only problem is the plastic magazines are not good at all and after a while start failing not cycling the 2nd round pushed up at angle 223 is really bad for this I'm on my 3rd magazine only problem with the tikka

@roboticbulldog Жыл бұрын

I believe you are mixing up spin drift and coriolis. Spin drift is the spin of of the bullet cutting through the air causing a left or right side spin. Right vs left twist rates and the speed of the twist are directly related. Coriolis is earths rotation, bullet momentum and air drag. More useful for artillery guns shooting 15km/miles, then for little pew pews

@TexanUSMC8089 Жыл бұрын

Most versatile cartridge? That'll be tough. It can come down to where you live and what you shoot in your area. It's pretty tough to shoot varmints or predators with a 375H&H. lol Maybe a 243/6mm, or 2506, or maybe a 6.5 Creedmoor or 260 Remington. The 243/6mm might be a little small for bigger game, and the 6.5CM might be a little big for varmints. No matter what, you'll have to compromise somewhere.

@wdtaut5650 Жыл бұрын

7:09 It's sah-bow, or saa-bow or darn close to it. It is exactly the same word as in 'sabotage', so pronounce it like the first two syllables, saa-bow (tahj). Yes, the 12 ga. is the most versatile firearm. In their early years, when money was tight, my uncles owned 12 ga. shotguns...period. They worked for everything from squirrels and rabbits to deer and hogs. I well remember the day the first .30-30 came into the family, followed many years later by a .30-06. Along the way, a couple of my cousins got .22s. Otherwise, it was shotguns.

@NHGUIDE88 Жыл бұрын

I have seen the 225 (rimmed) Winchester case, cartridge and a rifle but have never shot one. I think the rimmed case might contribute to the low demand as it MIGHT ( supposition) limit how the magazine works and feeds. You'd have to be careful on loading things into the magazine in order to keep trouble from popping up.

@10-4CodyWade Жыл бұрын

The most versatile cartridge is a myth because everyone needs at least 15 guns.

@russellkeeling4387 Жыл бұрын

I've tried to decide which rifle I would keep if I could only have one rifle. It just can't be done.

@edwardabrams4972 8 ай бұрын

Only 15🤔😳😂

@suemeade2471 Жыл бұрын

Hey Ron I've been watching these shows for about a year now and have become accustomed to checking in every few days. But today I come with a question for you. There is a company that chambers the magnum research bfr revolvers from the 500 magnum and a few more cartridges in there new cartridge called the 500 bushwhacker, the creator has a KZfaq channel and stated the spec's of it, and it is absurd! A 410 grain bullet at 2400 fps out of a 10.5 in barrel. 5200 foot pounds out of a handgun is extremely high and too me is higher than a lot of north American hunting rifles even for big bears. So do you think that this should be put in a rifle? I think that a lever action with a longer barrel would be a true buffalo and plains game bulldozer.( With the break they but on the pistol the say that someone comfortable with the recoil of the 454 casull would be fine with its recoil )

@tonkatank045 10 ай бұрын

Bullet rotation also pulls the bullet off a straight path at extended ranges

@John_Redcorn_ Жыл бұрын

The only thing with the Savage Impulse is that its HEEEAVY. On the order of around 9lbs! The Tikkas are great but youll 100% need to replace the buttpad (or what they’re calling a buttpad. Lol). Its hard as a brick and with the lightweight-ness of tikkas itll get your attention. Other than that, buy with no worries.

@stevenm6065 Жыл бұрын

Ron I see where you're going with the idea of the 12gauge versatility but I would also argue depending on your meaning of "versatile" I would argue that the 20gauge would be the more versatile because for those who are recoil sensitive would be more effective with it over the 12gauge and even those who are used to the recoil would be even that much better.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

Fair point, but you can shoot 1-ounce and even 7/8-ounce loads in the 12 ga. Given the same payload and MV and gun weight, recoil would be the same.

@russellkeeling4387 Жыл бұрын

When you speak of the supply and demand I've found I can't order any firearm from any local firearms store, they all tell me they can only get what they are sent from their jobbers. If I lived somewhere other than Southern Colorado maybe it would be different. I'd like to know.

@stephenjensen4897 Жыл бұрын

I had a M70 heavy barrel 225 that was about the most accurate rifle I ever owned. Still regret selling it.

@davidfornkahl8374 Жыл бұрын

I bought one 10 years ago at a Cabelas . Like new. Unbelievably accurate! I wouldn't sell mine!

@wayneblair288 Жыл бұрын

I am a han louder. 280 love it. 708 is good. 25 06 love it too.

@bobbygreen2291 Жыл бұрын

Ron the only thing that has kept me from buying a tikka t3x is they only come in 14 inch plus length of pull ,,every one I’ve measured has been 14 and a half inches length of pull ,,,that’s not good with a lot of clothes on. A guy can order a savage model 11 with a junior stock at 13 inch length of pull and keep the 14 inch stock that comes with it and have both stocks and the gun for two hundred less than a tikka with one stock.

@johncoulter1223 Жыл бұрын

I had a box of 16ga and it had a warning label range mile and a half

@blackie1of4 Жыл бұрын

If it's not the 284 Winchester it's probably the 280 AI :)

@user-my8zo8uh3n Жыл бұрын

Love my 270 and what if it dont spin at all ?

@johnnorman7708 Жыл бұрын

John Nosler shot a deer with a .225 Winchester. Look in the old Nosler manual. A curiosity in this day and time.

@TheFreeWillDroppers Жыл бұрын

Hey Ron! You should a video on a 22wmr!

@RonSpomerOutdoor. Жыл бұрын

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@idahohermit4634 Жыл бұрын

I went from a .243 to a 30-06 to a 300 win. I wouldn't hesitate to use either 30 cal on anything on any continent with the exception of maybe Africa. And with the Barnes TSX, are more than capable dispatchers of varmints with attitudes.

@bodynfocus Жыл бұрын

Listening to your explanation of the Eötvös effect, if that explains High or Low when shooting East/West ... then doesn't it stand to reason that coriolis effect would explain "Windage" (Left/Right) drift if shooting North/South .. 🤔 (at EXTREME distance of course)

@hs459 Жыл бұрын

30-06 STILL THE KING, FOR ALL AROUND

@timeverett7828 Жыл бұрын

35 Whelen much more versatile than you might think! Can use 357mag revolver bullets for small game right on up to 275gr bullets for dangerous game! Easy to load anything with 4064 powder and any cases from the 30-06 cartridge family.

@leoheine5427 Жыл бұрын

I would like to hear about my 25 20 Winchester lever action. And I have both a pre world war model 70 in 300 h&h and 220 swift. I still hand load both. What ever happened to scik bullets the brand

@davidwhite8909 Жыл бұрын

The most versatile rifle is the biggest one you can shoot accurate time after time

@garrybrischke53 Жыл бұрын

The most versatile cartridge in my estimation would the one that you can reliably hit whatever you are aiming at. Good shot placement is the key to success.

@tonnywildweasel8138 Жыл бұрын

Question: I have read some on the so called "knock off, or knock out, factor", especially hunting big game. Is the Taylor KO factor, the TKOF formula, still of value/relevance today? Thanks for your very informative vids, appreciate them a lot 👍 Greets from the Netherlands 🇳🇱, T.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

Good question, Tonny. I don't believe the TKO formula was ever valid except when applied to brain shooting elephant. That is what his formula measured -- the bullet energy required to stun or knock out an elephant with a near miss of the brain. As he and most commercial elephant hunters (poachers in his case since he was reportedly often unlicensed or "off the reservation") learned, any bullet would fell the biggest elephant if it hit the brain. Bell killed right at 800 with his famous 275 Rigby, another name for the 7x57mm Mauser. He used 173-grain RN military bullets at about 2,500 fps. What John "Pondoro" Taylor learned (by trying/testing a wide variety of rifles/cartridges/bullets) was that the larger, heavier bullets at xxxx velocity would deliver enough energy with a head shot that missed the brain. This his TKO formula. The reason I feel it doesn't apply to body shots on all species is that those don't deliver the energy/shock to the central nervous system. The easiest way to understand the ineffectiveness of energy to kill is the gut shot. Regardless what size bullet from whichever shoulder-fired rifle you use carrying whatever energy, said bullet applied to the paunch rarely drops or kills outright even a small deer. Bullet kinetic energy numbers do not translate well to effect. Technically 3,000 foot-pounds of energy is supposed to be enough energy to lift a 3,000-pound object a foot off the ground! Yet I and millions of others have put that much or more into various animals only to see them stand as if nothing has happened. Or dash off as if merely spooked. But hit an elk in the spinal column with a 40-gr. bullet carrying 100 f-p energy and it collapses on the spot. I might address this in a future episode of RSO Podcast. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!

@tonnywildweasel8138 Жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast : Thank you very much for your reply sir! Appreciate it. Learned new things, so today is a good day 👍

@johnnorman7708 Жыл бұрын

Most versatile cartridges for a range of applications do exist. But the singular cartridge concept is kind of a fantasy.

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@ricksandybutler7629 Жыл бұрын

Easy, 9.3x62. It has, and still is taking every type of game on the planet.

@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 Жыл бұрын

6.8 western rifles are a unicorn in my neck of the woods.

@calebbalts7618 Жыл бұрын

I've heard of the .225 but never seen or shot one in person

@stevendonnalammar4422 Жыл бұрын

The other reason a 12 gauge is more versatile than a 16 or 20 gauge is the wide variety and availability of factory loaded ammo for it.

@katherinetreble1613 Жыл бұрын

Hey Ron me again, would you recommend the 336 chambered in 30-06 or the 1895 in 45-70

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

Hi again Liam. I doubt the Marlin 336 was ever chambered in 30-06. Action can't handle that size cartridge. Are you thinking perhaps 30-30? Now the Winchester 1895 is chambered in 30-06, so that one I can recommend. But if you're interested in a rifle for close range (inside 200 yards) deer hunting, you'll find the 336 in 30-30 more than adequate. The 1895 in 30-06 will suffice there, too, plus give you additional reach and wider bullet selection for much longer ranges and larger game. Recoil will be significantly higher with the 30-06.

@mtnhunter5578 Жыл бұрын

30/06 hands down not even a question!

@grits_taste_good415 Жыл бұрын

Most versatile, I say 7mm-08 for the military, 12 ga for civilians, and .357 for general use

@josephmalovrh6745 Жыл бұрын

Is there any info about the 30-06 accelerator round?

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@mattpeacock5208 Жыл бұрын

7mm Rem Mag can be loaded for bear, literally! You can also load it down for ground hogs, so......that's pretty versatile!

@lovethehuntOutdoors Жыл бұрын

That's just mean shooting a little ole ground hog with a Magnum round that blows them off their feet into the sky.

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Жыл бұрын

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@billhatcher2984 Жыл бұрын

👍 30-06 and if you reload he 280 rem

@tomlarue654 Жыл бұрын

I love my Tikka T3 308 it’s a tack driver with 165/ 168 grain Nosler ammunition

@davidjustice1848 Жыл бұрын

I like mine too,bought it for the smooth action,kept it for the balance and trigger

@williamhampton9978 Жыл бұрын

I gotta agree...I've got several Tikka's in my safe chambered from 6.5 Creed to 308 Win to 300 Win Mag....every one of them is a tack driver and shoots sub MOA out of the box with premium ammo. With handloads, I can get a 3 shot group at 100 that you can cover with a dime using Nosler Accubonds.

@waynemayle865 Жыл бұрын

Have owned an shot the 225 winchester for many yrs. There were 3 models .which is winchester mod. 70 win. Mod. 670 an Savage model 340 winchester never released the 50gr. Or 60gr. Loads for the 225win.

@neilis2405 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I have a .225 Winchester in a Winchester 670. Paid $250 for it about 12-13 years ago at a pawn shop.

@davidsutherland4151 Жыл бұрын

I've heard that the Coriolis effect is more important for long-range pertaining to the military.

@Nicoli-bg8lp Жыл бұрын

For Artillery

@poisonPpaully Жыл бұрын

7mm rem mag is my vote for most versatile

@TexanUSMC8089 Жыл бұрын

I'm with Ron. I have several 308's, but I like my 7-08 better. There's pretty much no category where a 308 beats the 7-08.

@barrymantei7795 Жыл бұрын

For game like black bear 308 with a 180 partition might be better than any 7 08 but I like both of them.

@jaydunbar7538 Жыл бұрын

The category where 308 mops the floor with 7-08 is bulk dirt cheap ammunition, are you practicing weekly or using a single box of 20 a year? Personally I like to shoot not just hunt, bulk practice ammunition is a must. Granted I don’t run cheap 308, my 5.56 and 9mm make up the bulk of my shooting with 45acp, 357, and 44mag being runners up. 270 win is by far top mention for something in the same category as 308, I don’t shoot it nearly as much as I’d like to simply do to cost, the old girl is picky and really likes the Nosler BTs lol

@10-4CodyWade Жыл бұрын

I also like the 7mm-08 but there are certainly things the 308 does better. The larger diameter bullet makes the internal ballistics more efficient, so more muzzle energy. Bigger bullets also transfer energy more effectively. So for elk hunting inside 200 yards the 308 is significantly better. But if I'm going after elk I'm using a 300 or 338 magnum of some kind in case I need to make a longer shot. For deer-sized game using a smaller case it's really hard to beat the 7mm-08. Better external ballistics than the 308 while still having plenty of bullet weight and frontal area to make a clean kill.

@20cameron1 Жыл бұрын

@Ron Spomer Oudoors- Podcast The broadest is not a cartridge but a gauge: 12 gauge.

@hotramen5952 Жыл бұрын

the .35 whelen is the king of north america imo.

@JoeZelensky Жыл бұрын

If I were to pick a most versatile rifle cartridge I would go with .220 Swift no question. It could take a cape buffalo with a head shot down to groundhogs.

@mikejensen6684 Жыл бұрын

.30-06 Springfield. You can find it in the Men’s department.

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Good one Mike!

@TonyFast68 Жыл бұрын

Tikka in 308 must be the most popular rifle in Sweden right now, sold out everywhere

@peterhert9350 Жыл бұрын

Europe become flooded with 308

@richXPT707 Жыл бұрын

so the atmosphere does go with the rotation of the earth, at least when it comes to the altitudes and distances involved in rifle shooting. You have to make a different set of assumptions when working with ICBMs

@adamlong54 Жыл бұрын

7mm rem Mag is bottom to top all around best round

@laughingdog6010 Жыл бұрын

Ok, if I shoot far I need to do it way up north. 😀

@andyd2960 Жыл бұрын

I never heard of the 225 Winchester.

@dylanmorvant1041 Жыл бұрын

What’s your take on the 6.5 Weatherby RPM?

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Ballistic match for the 6.5 PRC. Close to performance of the old 270 Win. Same MV with same bullet weights, but the narrower .264 bullets will have higher B.C., thus a slight advantage beyond 400 yards or so. Advantage over PRC is narrower case so one more in magazine. But requires standard length action, if that matters to you. I see RPM as a narrow niche cartridge with small convenience advantages over the 270 and PRC. Should be a fine mule deer, sheep, goat, caribou, elk round in a rifle you like.

@markcross9762 Жыл бұрын

As far as the rifle debate on deer hunting states. Here in NY they did all studies and pretty much the whole state is rifle minus counties that have a huge city in them. From what i herd from those mid west states on why not rifle. Its cause the states DNR dont want long range shooting deer to really hurt the population. Iowa wants to maintain its big bucks and study show once rifles are used now you increase distance of shooting and accuracy.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

That might be part of it, Mark, although harvest management is more simply controlled by limiting tag sales. However, allow more tag sales while limiting hunter success via "primitive weapons" restrictions could do the same thing while simultaneously bringing more $ into the department. "You can buy all the $100 deer tags you want, but you can hunt with slingshots only!"

@jacobmccandles1767 Жыл бұрын

I was gonna say "the .25-06 is a better elk cartridge than the .30-06 is a Coyote and Woodchuck round...and it would be right, but... The 30-06 is adequate for the great bears, and the .25 is not. Meanwhile a .30 FMJ does okay on furbearers, so....yeah, .30-06.

@davidjustice1848 Жыл бұрын

22 lr is most versatile where I live if the animal will stand right for you

@barrymantei7795 Жыл бұрын

Never heard of the. 225 Winchester.

@TheFedster18 Жыл бұрын

Hei Ron, first off, thank you for answering a previous question. Now with a very hard second question: why is it that I cannot buy a 7mm 08 in Europe? It's not illegal in any way, it is just basically impossible to find a rifle chambered for it, and the ammo. Why? the 7x57 is still 'available', but nowhere as popular to justify why the 7mm 08 seems to have never arrived in Europe.

@frankspataro9714 Жыл бұрын

Your missing out bud I love my 7mm08 great round

@peterhert9350 Жыл бұрын

Try Rößler Titan

@samuelpope7798 Жыл бұрын

I love my shotguns but I'm not buying the most versatile argument because to do all of those things reasonably well you either need multiple barels or chokes. If we consider a platform who's only mod allowed is the ammo that is used. I would go with 30-06. Can't shoot birds in flight but can shoot big game out to 600yds or more in a survival situation. Can shoot rabbits in the head at 20yds with that same round. Been there done that!

@duanesamuelson2256 Жыл бұрын

While I haven't seen one in a while, don't forget variable chokes for shotguns. That's not a modification it's an adjustment that didn't take tools. For a cartridge that's most versatile with the direction of going lead-free by law in many areas, I'd go with either a .300 or 7mm PRC. I'd have to see all the reloading manuals to confirm.

@georgesakellaropoulos8162 Жыл бұрын

It's both. Left or right when oriented North to South, up or down when oriented East to West. More pronounced at the Equator and almost non existent at the Poles. It's a sine function, just like wind drift, so at 45 degrees, it's about 8 tenths of full value. Oh yeah, this will never affect the average shooter. Most versatile cartridge. Rifle, 30-'06 Pistol, .357 magnum. Shotgun, 12 Guage Runner up, .22lr.

@AskTheKid Жыл бұрын

Hi Ron, I've never heard you give your thoughts on 7.62x39. People often say the 7.62x39 is to a .308 what a .308 is to a 30-06. What do you think? There are several videos of people taking large game in Alaska with SKSs. What do you think of it for big game?

@gigachad8462 Жыл бұрын

I've read 7.62x39 is similar to 30-30, deer no problem

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

Andrew, I've no doubt the Russian 7.62 can cleanly kill anything so long as you put the right bullet in the right place from the right distance. As you know, every bullet reaches a point at which is is moving so slowly that it'll bounce off. Most of us couldn't deliver said bullet at those ranges anyway, so it's a silly point. More importantly we should consider the fairly light bullets loaded in this round, usually a .310" diameter 123-gr. spitzer at around 2,330 fps. B.C. is poor at roughly .320 . S.D. is low at .183. Load a 150-gr boat tail spitzer for better B.C. and S.D. and you'll reduce MV to perhaps 2,100 fps. No, these numbers do not suggest the SKS round is to the 308 as the 308 is to the 30-06. The 308 shoots the same bullets as the 30-06 within 100 fps. The Russian round spits a 150-gr. some 600 or 700 fps more slowly than the 308. I think the 7.61x39 is popular because rifles and ammo have been inexpensive. I have a bias against it because it's long been the military round of various communist govts. shooting at American soldiers, of thugs and bandits around the world, of poachers killing rhinos and elephants, etc. I know this is not the fault of the inanimate cartridge/rifle, but the association is to disturbing for me to embrace the SKD or 7.62x39. (P.S. Alaskans regularly take caribou, bears, and moose with .243 Win., 223 Rem., and 22 Long Rifle, too.)

@AskTheKid Жыл бұрын

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast very interesting, thank you. I never considered the context of this round as you explained. I'm also surprised to see how inferior it is to the 308