He's about as problematic as Mother Teresa, though Mother Teresa edges him out slightly.

How was he problematic if these women literally agreed to the conditions? They were laid out. Before they agreed. I'm just genuinely curious. I'm a woman also. And I don't doubt for a moment these women knew what they were walking into agreeing to be with heff and live in the mansion.

@@krisj5561 I mean, it is kind of weird the man had a literal harem in the first place, but you're right, at least they were all told up front what it was. There was almost certainly more to it though...

@@krisj5561 the thing is they were not told everything they would have to do, so.

He is controversial in the way that he ran his "empire". Yes, the women in his mansion agreed to live there and were likely aware of many things they'd be asked or expected to do. However, much like a cult, it offered promises and success but it often came at a price of having to say yes to things they were not fully comfortable with. Many of the women who lived in his mansion have shared the strict rules he kept once they were in and certain acts they were required to participate in. While I am unsure how much could be considered nonconsensual or controversial I do believe it should be acknowledged he was profiting off objectifying women. If the woman were fine with that, cool. But if he set up an environment that promised success for every time they said yes, well that's pretty manipulative. The women were constantly shown how being one of "his girls" offered independence, fame, money, etc. if they just said yes to what he asked. Not to mention, once learning that Cosby was accused of his assault crimes and that many instances were at Heifner's mansion, he only stated that it was sad someone would accuse his close friend Cosby of that.

lmao

Exactly

Takes one to know one

Right!

Literally hahaha

Sadly it’s a bit more complicated than that 😭

I've known people are evil for a long time 😭

No truer words..

#2 💯💯💯 it seems to trigger a lot of people when you go tell them to their face what you plan to do to them, that is not in their favor. Not only can it trigger a really bad auto response but it also gives them the chance to plan and plot against

4. if youre gonna meet a bad person, do it in public.

he issss !

Hef could tell that guy was bad news because in another lifetime Hef was that guy too, and he knew it

What do people have against him? Everybody loved him, he helped so many people. Is he bad because he owned an empire that featured nude women? Grow up

@@Mr.Iknowitall did you even watch the video

You’re saying Hugh was a bad guy by this comment ? Unnecessary

Fr dude it's really sad.

Literally he ruined her whole life trajectory and this just makes me think is fate a real thing , it’s crazy that all this started from one conversation where he had approached her and u just have to think imagine if she hadn’t been on shift that day or if she had been off sick they would never have met

Wait this whole time its been 3 yrs? I thought we was into her mid twenties by the time the movies started coming her way 😮😮

I know this whole story sounds like it happened over DECADES and it just happened over three years or so. Insane.

Jesus this whole time I thought she would've been like 25, 28, 30 by the time of her death

i completely agree, i believe if she hadn’t been murdered, she would’ve had a very successful career, and i would’ve liked to see her flourish

Seriously I hate that all these stories end with an innocent person or people being murdered

No it wasn’t. Anyone that follows playboy knows so many statements were wrong.

Definitely. She's absolutely beautiful

Agreed, also it is so horrible that her life was stripped away at such a young age. she would’ve had such an amazing lifetime and so much success

@@grace06142 pardon? Eleanor is still alive lmao. Are you talking about Dorothy?

@@vqlleyofthedolls yea i think they meant Dorothy

I was surprised to see her; I initially taught she was someone else lol!!….natural beauty!!

Paul is truly one of a kind 🙄

@@ClownCarCore Shockingly a lot of men are like that, a lot of women too

Also pushes his wife to sleep with other men to further her career.. gets mad when she asks for freedom to sleep with another man lol

You forgot to add *and kills her*

he liked the idea of having a sw wife but didn't like the reality of having a sw for a wife

Regardless of the amount of likes, there are a lot of relationships where the man is older, and nothing is abusive. Also, there are many cases where the man and the woman are the same age, yet a violent death occurs. But, agenda's gotta agenda.

@@Somemighty i dont understand, why are you mad? a 17 year old dating a 26 year old is not okay...? if they where both adults its fine but she was a minor

@@Somemighty he literally groomed her, age gaps are fine,, when theyre BOTH adults lmfao, no agenda here we just dont like weirdos that prey on children, obviously

So I have to be mad, pulling my hair, fuming? No, just pointing out a certain direction. And the boy here made the comment seem like age cap is always a problem. That Paul dude was born in 1939, making him 41, but I guess since his age was not mentioned, this age cap was ignored. I know you're just trying to make it seem like you're the morally superior one, but I have a feeling that this child/adult relationship would have been pretty much okay if the mature adult man was 18.

@@Ahdekia you realize that they met in the 70’s right? That was acceptable then. Now it is not but then it was normal. You are looking at it from today’s standard. Like how now women are not to smoke or drink while pregnant. It is dangerous to the baby. It was ok years ago. Again, I don’t agree with it BUT it was normal. I was a teenager in the 90’s and I had a 23 year old boyfriend when I was 16.

If I recall her family said she still looked beautiful

I hope they feel guilty as FUCK. Not only did they let Dorothy marry him but also her YOUNGER SISTER. Atp they CHOSE to ignore everything.

well, firstly Dorothy was almost an adult,when she met Paul, so im sure they knew their wasn’t much they could do anyway, an they did try in the beginning.. also they never signed any parents permission,Paul forged it.. either way def NOT her parents fault , parents can only do so much

​@@Spooky-boo-The younger sister didst not marry paul.

@@Spooky-boo-the younger sister married peter not paul.

She let herself be...heff even warned her....being pretty and making money from that was more important. I hope she rests in peace. But she went into this knowing a lot.

@@krisj5561 I don't quite think you understand how hard it is to break away from a marriage, especially your first and ESPECIALLY when the man you married is so unstable. He hired private investigators to watch her. Even if she got away, i still think it would have ended badly.

@@nasimmason I'm not talking about her husband. I was referencing how heff did try to warn her. And as someone who has been in an abusive relationship. Yes. I do know. So stop saying what you don't know.

@@krisj5561 you are speaking in a way that is very victim blaming, so it was a fair assumption

@@krisj5561 Sure, Hefner was the good guy here and she brought it all on herself. GTFOH with your victim blaming.

This case made me cry. Poor thing was so young and could have done so much.

@@ashleysalerno2818 when I heard she was only 20 at the time of death, my heart sank

Baby???

@@ashleysalerno2818 I mean , she did cheat lmao

@@iloveSheldonCooperr does someone deserve to be brutally murdered and sexually violated both alive and after death bc they cheated on their abusive spouse lol

She didst rather not appear unto be that sweet.

Never meet up with your ex for closure or to work things out when u know it’s over!!….the only closure you need is that it’s Over!!…be wise!!😢😢😢

EXACTLY! It’s baffling

It's like sophisticated pros****ion.

Okay but sex work is work. If they’re consenting and empowered it should be fine if they’re abused or manipulated with feeling the risk outweighs the reward or cant consent then absolutely not. I feel it was a bit like sugaring of the olden age.

Reported...again HATE

@@eyebagsandhandbags6493 yeah I think the girls are fine but I don’t like the idea of a man having a policy that women should be naked to be available for sex . I think that’s a bit yuck. But if a woman is ok with it she’s ok with it

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It's giving me Woody Allen, but worse.

its honestly so so so gross !!

Literally!!!!!

@@caitlynkaufholz4015 my thoughts exactly

Yes! A secure, public place with a witness!

@@madisonh.2992 unfortunately they had to meet for custody agreement stuff and to have papers signed. He thought she was "crazy and unreasonable" because she would only meet in a public place with her father present. Then eventually in the court house which was monitored and he had to go through a metal detector. He was abusive. But she was the crazy one for trying to protect herself and the kids 😠 😡

Yes!!!

This is really good advice

Or a stranger

Yeah I don't recall hearing that he was an official scout for them...I've seen multiple docs about this and the movie...that's what he fancied himself to b it was a "MINDSET THING" on his part! 🙄🤦🏽‍♀️

Thanks Sheila for some truth!!! This chic is off base!!!

@@tamikajohnson238 That piece of💩gave/ gives a whole new meaning to the word Scumbaggery!! I never heard that word til my friend said it! Lol

@@sheilavaughn296 scumbaggery! 😂

Paul actually signed the consent forms for Dorothy...it's all in her biography

This 👆 100 %

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I very much agree - I was more telling the story from Dorothy and her loved ones POV there, that she'd gone from a horrible man to a man she *thought* was the love of her life. I probably should have specified, but all the men in this case were vile towards her in different ways

Parents should of kept better tabs on her. They sold her out. Shame.

Absolutely! Grooming left right and centre!

In this case he was correct. He lived his life in a disgusting manner. His death was a relief I’m sure to the bunnies. Women many times get manipulated into situations like this and don’t know how to get out.

I think if a man like Hugh Heffner says that your bf is controlling and toxic Id be leaving him in a heartbeat cuz imagine someone as sleepy as him thinks that

Who better than someone that knows people so well.?

@Anna the story of read said that she cheated a lot when hef was in the army it doesn't say about any of his gf had died

Are you joking ? Tf he made men beat his bunnies this one beautiful black female got killed by being rape and beaten and you think he is a good person or such a good influence then have fun being lonely or have horrible relationships lmao 🤣 have fun

Stop infantilizing adult women please. We all think we were less mature younger when we get older no matter the age, that's normal.

@@Phos67preach, 20 is a grown adult, a young adult

@@evalintenekey word YOUNG. She never got to live life or learn from her mistakes. Your comment was worthless

Right?! just skip the murder and take yourself out 😒

I know right?? Like start with yourself!( I would never tell anyone to end themselves but dipshites like him are exceptions)

I have no problem w a murderer taking himself out. Not only will they never b released to kill others but they burn in hell for enternity.. Pure justice

@@samanthak4216 oor before they do anything they should seek help and rehab. You shouldn't wish death on people And don't encourage suicide

@@jackpackman9480 there are many people who deserve to have death wished Upon them 🤷🏻‍♀️ still, my comment wished death upon no one, split stated he should have started with himself rather than take someone with him. An opinion I stand by

Just thought of that as well! It's such a cool coincidence!!

I thought that as soon as I saw the title!

@@sancochita7392 “coincidence”

Yes!!!!

I thought her name was familiar!

Secrets of Playboy! A lot of women come forward and talk about the horrific things they went through

@@krism7426 yes I watched it, it didn't air until after my comment though. Such a shame for the women.

Missed opportunity to call it “down the rabbit hole: secrets of playboy”

​@Salty_Oatmeal25 how did the writers miss this opportunity?!!! You nailed it 😂😂😂

@@Salty_Oatmeal25Holly Madison already wrote a book about her time in the mansion with that title! It’s great!

He's just a controlling pervert

I think because Hefner wanted to be the only controlling person in the bunnies lives

Hefner had a good business going and none of those girls HAD to stay if they didn’t want to. Watch the documentary on the mansion, it’s very educational, and yes they were made to follow rules but it’s what made this place so successful. Back then no one saw the shaming as shaming. I believe Hugh loved his ladies (maybe too much) but they were the most protected ladies of this time, whilst on the property only! I’d just go watch that show if I were y’all. Thanks Elenor love love love your episodes 🤍

A controlling person Can still tell when someone else is just like them....

@@Summerleigh2percent I'd suggest you to stop defending that horrid pervert, pedophile, rapist, and groomer if i were you. It's making you look naive and stupid.

The thought of that makes me feel gross

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Just from the photos they showed, I don’t doubt it LMAO he looks tacky asl

Because an old man who walks around in pajamas, a smoking jacket, and a yacht's captain hat is obviously not tacky at all...

One of their friends described him as a hot dog on a stick 💀💀💀

You could make the precise same argument for any marriage. Usually one of the partnership will be the main earner. The other wouldn't be able to afford the upkeep of a house on their own. Consent is given BEFORE the partnership begins with a full understanding of the situation. To claim that a smoking hot blonde woman would have any trouble finding well paying work or a rich partner is ridiculous. Hot women live life on easy mode.

@@jackthehat1093 the fact that you view a marriage this similarly to a paid job is really scary and weird dude. A marriage is a partnership. A job is exchanging your time in order to get money to have the ability to eat and like under a roof and take care of yourself.

yes absolutely. under capitalism, true consent to work does not exist. this includes sex work. and what is non consensual sex? rape.

@@Boing2699 Don't blame me that's just what marriage is which is why one of the main contentions in any divorce is always money or possessions (severance pay) I actually think you should pledge your loyalty and committment to someone you love without marriage. Then if it doesn't work out you can go your seperate ways without the shitshow that is divorce. The only actual difference between my idea and marriage is that marriage is a legal document and contract with the government. What does marriage give you that you can't get in a normal committed relationship without marriage?

@@jackthehat1093 dude... you're gross omg

Agreed that guy was strange to say the least.

Agreed. Just a gross old man. Nothing more.

Agreed, but some of the girls chose that life

ALL of the girls there chose that life.

He was an icon so though there are problematic things about hef, he was a huge name, business man and did a lot for people. He unabashedly supported gay rights, supported women's right to work, equality... etc he was pro choice, supported animal rights, supported black people such as MLK, malcolm X, he had black women in his magazine when they were against that... he was a big part of history, wouldn't call him a feminist or anything though, more like a high class pimp. but there was a lot he did for women and sadly some negative towards women.

I think it was implied that Dorothy also had to partake in the sexual parties and being naked and all that stuff that the other playbunnies had to do

Never mind I just watched the ending

I completely agree with you.

Exactly and I hate the people arguing that she was an adult, technically yes, but I as a 21 y/o do not feel like I am an 'adult.' I still make dumb, misinformed decisions and can be manipulated if gaslit enough. All of this happened in a three year time span and I can only imagine how long she thought for each event. We'll never know the true life she lived, but I see her as a naive young lady who was promised so much and was on her way to getting that, however had people with other motives around her.

@@samanthaM7119 I agree completely. Do people really think a woman changes so much between the ages of 17 and 18? What does that one day of their birthday change? The age of consent has to be somewhere but that doesn't magically equip a person with the skills and experience to navigate life; least of all to navigate toxic and manipulative people. Sadly that comes with experience. We learn slowly, and I'm sure Dorothy would have slowly learned too if she'd had the chance. If people recognised that adolescence really ends around 24 and that full grown men shouldn't be influencing young women, least of all teenagers, then so many situations like this could be avoided. It's funny how young men are defended in situations of naivety or even wrongdoing. Yno, he was young, still learning, didn't know better, taken advantage of. Let the boy make some mistakes! His whole life shouldn't be ruined! But young women are expected to be above it. No, young women are calculating, deceptive, using their bodies to control men, should have known better, etc. The expectations and connotations we place on young women are disgusting and they only serve to excuse men's inappropriate behaviour.

@Boluga no

YES ME TOO

Also that she has been doing this for years and has SO many videos to watch as a new subscriber. Could literally binge all day lol

@@nicconway647 EXACTLY

@@nicconway647 Yep!

He legit r*ped her, it's on Bogdanovich's book

Same lol

Same! I’m 40 mins in, and I just remembered this is a murder story.. it’s broke my heart. She seemed so lively and kind hearted, it’s so sick that her life was stolen from her..

She was certainly flattered by the attention and she was being pedestalised as the standard of beauty for that era .Must be hard to see the truth when the men surrounding you are affording you every protection and opportunity to bloom . She was valued and was giving worth even though now we can see how gross some of the rituals were

its so messed up rhis is why i hate people

'Secrets of Playboy' is coming out early next year too, which should be insightful! Hefner was a piece of shit and it's sad he lived as long as he did.

THIS 💯. I love holly

But all these secrets aren’t going to shut down Playboy,sadly.

What a nightmare too I’ve in such a place. Luxurious as it was, the Hefner mansion was the site of sex trafficking and sexual slavery. How does this still happen?

You should watch Bailey sarians recent video on the chippendales 😳

@@HighPriestess44 Kendall Rae, not Bailey Sarian

Lol everyone is watching same KZfaqrs, Kendall Rae, Bailey Sarian and Eleanor 😹 I bet y'all are also watching True Crime Loser and JCS criminal psychology

@@undynetheundying5405 and also bella fiori and mr.ballen 😁

@@Abi-hd9jx 😂🤣 I watch too many true crimers

Kinda creepy, uh.

@@Sammy.H.Redwood that's hella creepy-

Me too, that came out of no where. She said he was a good man and then minutes later she said he tried profiting of her death and GROOMED AND MARRIED HER SISTER. like what

He groomed Dorothy too.

i mean no offense to any unknown individual who might not fit the shoes, but how great could a man met at a playboy sex party be???

I was literally thinking the same thing!!!

I love the way she says both "bunnies" and "baby".

Right!!

I was going to comment that as well

yes!!!!

THIS.

Playboy mansion is essentially Jezebel’s, but a few steps removed

I agree

It is

Prostitution is torture

Fr it sounds like torture

modelling is a harsh world. everyone's a critic, nobody moans when a model is called skinny etc it's the same thing. if your looks are your job then sadly that's going to be how your judged.

ya..

Her parents were divorced and her dad was not around,she only had her mom

ngl u have a point

Hugh is a sicko as well 🤢🤮

fr

Oh wow spoiler alert glad he did himself wish he would've got prison

No she cheated on her husband whilst she was still married that’s not naive and innocent

@@nazminsharmin12 so that gives a right for her to die? Did you listen to the full story ? SMH Dorothy’s husband agreed that she could sleep with other men so at the end of the day it’s his fault and he seen it coming when he gave her that job

@@nazminsharmin12 Dorothy was a kid. Her parents sold her to pedophiles. They also sold her younger sister.

Very taken advantage of. Hope future women learn from this.

@@tanjahorvatserbiaoldslavsh4685 Agrees! They shouldn't of been parents!

That’s so awful :( But sisters tend to just know. Poor girl

Tragic. So sorry this happened. Much love and respect.♥️

It seems like her whole life was a disaster after she met that guy. But being like basically a glamorous prostitute in los angeles is not really what I would consider a success.

@@DvidTheGnome she was an actress

@@sierranicole4868 she was a bunny first.. he's referring to that.

and he's WAY older than both of them

I’d given Peter a lot of benefit of the doubt throughout the story up until then. That’s just super gross

I said same thing

Prolly cuz he’s rich

Yes! I read Holly's book, and Hugh was running such a bizarre cult! (Only this was one cult the victims were expected to leave!)

I think if your man is pushing you into any kind of adult industry work he's probably not that great

That kind of pay is very hard to turn down.. imagine being one of the top earning women in the country

i saw another comment saying at least dorothy’s mothers signature was forged ☹️ i dont know for sure though

This happened a lot in those days; not right but much more common than now. The age difference wasn’t a huge ‘issue.’

How do you know this ?

Was in biography

It was mentioned later in the video that married women weren’t expected to have sex and were expected to remain faithful to their partners :)

Should it matter as much what her husband thinks when it seems like pretty much r@pe by coercion?

This obviously millennial feminist very unprofessional narrator's screechy high pitched voice in that grating millennial feminist accent is just so irritating. I wanted to hear this full story but the combination of her annoying voice and the obviously millennial feminist bias just make it to grating to continue listening to the end. Can we please have a PROFESSIONAL , OBJECTIVE, NOT SO IRRITATING NARRATOR TO JUST HIVE US THE OBJECTIVE FACTS, MINUS ALL YOUR MILLENNI AL FEMINIST BULLSHIT? II don't mind if it's a male or female narrator, but not crap like this, please....This is just such a badly made documentary on a topic that could have been interesting and worth watching, had it been done professionally, not this very second rate garbage. Do you seriously expect any intelligent woman to watch this and take you seriously? Come on now. Oh, and by the way, I am a very independent emancipated woman, though I would never identify as a feminist. Just intelligent and critical of certain, but not ALL manifestations of feminist ideaology eg crap lije this typically trotted out by millennial feminists. My rating for this video? 1 out of 10. In other words, crap.

Is she ever going to shut up in that stupid, high pitched, grating millennial feminist voice?

She wasn't a bunny then.

@@piersnivans5983, she was a bunny. Hugh Hefner sent her a card in which he grouped her in with the rest of his bunnies, and when I said exactly that,, she explained what made her a bunny in a way that makes perfect sense. I've forgotten how she said because my injured brain screws with my memories, but she proved her bunniness beyond a reasonable doubt.

@@wendychavez5348 source: trust me bro , but i actually do trust you lol i'm sure that explanation of hers was point on

yea, a lot of the bunnies had to sign contracts and sadly aren’t allowed to talk about what happened

@@piersnivans5983 There were numerous Playboy clubs, so not all bunnies lived in the mansion. I was a bunny in the early 80’s, which just means I’m old now lol.

It would have been great if she listened to Heff.

@@diaryofarealmom3264 I think it would have ended the same way even if she listened to Heff. Paul was one of those psycho "if I can't have you, no one will" type of guys.

@@roter13 I- now that makes me want to stay away from all men..

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Same! I just love it when she says that!