Didn’t the FAQ say that cannon shots can’t hit characters? Unless the ball actually lands on them as the initial ground hit, if I recall correctly.

Great video, just found you guys. From the games I've played (about 15 so far) we have found that monsters are in every good list we have built, usually behemoths. You need to have a plan for them and often that's, bring your own. Haven't had a huge amount of success playing without them.

You are missing the really dangerous stuff in the magic. Its not the magic missiles, its spells like column of crystal and miasmic mirage that will dominate the game if you don't have your own level 4. Good luck using your dragon if it can never charge.

"No Step-Up" It's so funny to me. There was no Step-Up in editions 1-7, back when I played the game originally. Step-Up was in only one official edition. The same edition where Warhammer lost the wind in its sails. Not saying there's a connection between the two. Just saying I am happy to see that TOW takes more inspiration from 1-7.

I got into wfb in 4th. As a 8 year old i loved putting the sickest character on a dragon i could find. Now as a 42 year old i could not be less interested

What about when your linehammer gets flanked and now you've got 2 guys in the fighting rank

I heard our name! Great listen :)

Check out the first released FAQ regarding cannons targeting characters. The character can never be “singled out” of a unit - not even by “accidentally” bouncing the cannon ball in front of a character.

is every list going to have a cheap fast character with monster slayer sword? It is 50 points so can go on lesser characters. Just try and roll that 6 to wound. It is not reliable but for the points maybe it is worth it. Table top titans had a vampire dragon that was like 700 points and got one tapped by the monster slayer blade. I know they are not doing competitive battle reports and position could have been better but I thought it showed the point. Also, can't you use a unit champion to challenge a dragon to soak and activation? Sure you will loose the combat but don't you only loose your champion and then likely are not double out numbered? Some units have a rule that allows any model to challenge, seems like they could tie up a dragon for a good while.

the back rank supports. Also you ony get 1 attack if your not in base not your full A.

As Bretonnia I will always try to have lances of 12-15 models if possible. Small lances of 6 are possible to cover the flanks but my main damage lances will be deep. A charging 12 knights lance means 9 models hitting. Add attacks with a paladin and a damsel with assailment spells (who can cast them even from the heart of the lance + give the unit magical attacks and magic resistance 2). Add banners to enhance your charge (rerolls, +1 strength, etc). Also, in lance formation you get +1 in combat result for each rank of 4+ knights (not limited to 1). That gives an edge to a 14 models unit. Bring that count to 17 models and you have two more knights attacking, 19 models and +3 rank bonus (and 38 unit strength). Hell, I will even put my pegasus knights in a 6-8 models lance formation (instead of skirmish, because they can !) to help them plowing through enemies with the most attacks. I am building an Errantry Crusade list, my whole army has +1 movement to charge but get impetuous. It will get me many games to learn how to efficiently play it, but I'm confident that two deep lances (and a few small 6 models lances for support) will be way more efficient for me.

I am very excited for the return of our beloved game. But I would like to hear from GW about how active they will be with "patching" the game. Day 1 FAQ was a great step and very reassuring. But say that the ting that casts Fireball is in like 80% of all tournament lists. Will they increase its points? If dragons and equivalents become a staple, would they consider decreasing Wounds or increasing points? If Linehammer becomes too OP, would they consider simply "units must be in base to base to attack"? You could still have a wide line of 10, die with a few and then smack back with several dudes. But you cant get in woth a full 10 wide unit and have guys on the flank say "Go go Gadget Sword" and attack way down the line.

Well there is a line of soldiers in the warhammer logo

Is the verdict out yet if the special rule "Drilled" allows you to redress the ranks before making a charge move? In this scenario you could have a block of 5x4 infantry use their "Drilled" special rule to reform into a wide 10x2 formation and then charge, thus getting more models in the fighting rank and having more attacks.

Is this legal? is ogre blade just a hand weapon since it doesnt state 2 hands? Its almost certain he will get doppelganger spell rolling 5 spells. And 1 useless spell will be changed for vauls unmaking to destroy any enemy items. Probably target if somehing has monster slayer . I dont want familiar because it wouldnt have regen. But 2d6 s5 -2AP and d3 wounds sounds great :D Archmage [575 pts] - Upgrade to Level 4 - Star Dragon - Ogre Blade - Silvery Wand - Seed of Rebirth - Pure of Heart - Illusion

The Meta Is the ruin of this type of games

I think big hero on big monster is a little too good right now and so are level 4 wizards maybe, as someone who plays Dark Elves the level 4 situation is super frustrating as it basically nullifies stuff like the cauldron of blood which has to push forward but also has bound level 2 spells, the same with doomfire warlocks a single level 4 wizard can shut down too many things... if they made it so they can only unbind spells equal to there level it would help out armies that bring multiple small casters. I love the way wizards can be on there own now which also opens up play for stuff like harpies to march over peoples armies to get to the back to tie lone wizards up to shut down casting and unbinding. I dont think we should be playing 1999 points but i think after some data from events it may be required to limit the amount of heroes mounted on monsters to 1 and set a maximum length a rank can be for balance and keeping the game playing in a proper rank and flank system.

Dragons + Illusion wizards to counter enemy dragons seems like it will be a huge part of the meta

step up with second rank support still needs a single clear explanation, what's your understanding? figures in base to base and extended along the line with second rank, etc. do you accept the challenge?

Great listen guys loved it.

The thing everyone is forgetting is that if you are outnumbered 2 to1 when you loose combat you loose the pseudo steadfast. Thats really easy to achieve when your enemy puts everything in thin long lines. Length of frontage are going to be determined by terrain at the end of the day. You need to be able to fill a 24in frontage which is what the center of the board is more or less guaranteed to be due to the terrain rules. Then you need to be doing combined charges not trying to fight individual battles. This game will play more like an actual battle now and less like 6th ed which was dance around and do your best to never loose any points.

I'm not sure about how I feel about no step up combined with no supporting attacl. Frontally charging a deep chunk of infantry shouldn't be a good idea for cav, if you ask me.

Christmas list. Use the biggest tree (monster) with all the ornaments on it. BLASH

Great review, Step up was horrid, you just need to only be able to swing back with stuff in base to base IMO.

Simple fix to meta…don’t play at tournaments and only play local games with down to earth people.

Pegasus Master is no longer a thing for dark elves, sadly. Pegasus reserved for sorceresses only. Harpies, shades (maybe with an assassin hidden in a 10-man unit), and dark riders attempt to fill the role now

I am the meta with Wood Elves 💚

Really curious what people are thinking about great weapons in this version of the game? Without step up, always striking last seems like a recipe for never striking at all.

8th edition: Infantry/warmachines (paper) - > cavalry (scissors) - > monstorus/monsters (rock) was OK (could be beter balanced etc.), now ridden big monsters titanium scissors, all the rest is a toilet paper.

Imagine a real world unit of 10 troops in line, charged by 10 soldiers in 2 ranks killing 2-5 enemy troops in the centre. They’d lost cohesion and break into two group fighting less effective. Time to call out GW for a balls up ref linehammer happening, it’s a cock up.

totally agree with the step up. There was nothing more unfun than constantly being unable to attack with your greatswords in the old warhammer fantasy. Linehammer is also just plain bad design. I come from a warhammer armies project background aswell and we are currently evaluating pros and cons. So far we will not turn over to the old world. That being said, a fanmade, not sales driven game will always be better then the official alternative. Also nerfing warmachines HEAVILY, particularily cannons but also template weapons will automatically lead to the mentioned dragonlord meta. Lame. There must be a middle ground.

No step up is just a kick in the nuts for core infantry and another boost for cavalry and glass cannon units. They missed a chance (again) to give spears defensive bonuses against cavalry, monsters and chariots, like in KOW and Total War. No way should cavalry charge spear units in the face and win in a round.

What are peoples thoughts on standards scoring 50pts each? This makes scoring standard points against horde armies much easier, as they will tend to have more banners than elite armies that utilise less units. A fairer way would be for you to score a number of victory points per captured enemy standard equal to the total number of standards in your army, where a BSB counts as two and multiply it by 10. For example, I have an army with 4 standards and a BSB, you have 6 standards and a BSB. Therefore I would score 60VPs per standard I capture of yours (4 + 2 for the BSB = 6 * 10 = 60) which means the maximum I can score is 6 * 60 = 360 for normal standards and 2 * 60 = 120 for the BSB, totaling 360 + 120 = 480 max for captured standards. You would score 80VPs per standard you capture of mine (6 + 2 for the BSB = 8 * 10 = 80) which means the maximum you can score is 4 * 80 = 320 for normal standards and 2 * 80 = 160 for the BSB, totaling 320 + 160 = 480 max for captured standards.

Super content thanks boys

The first honest assessment of the linehammer problem. 👍 Models in line automatically "sidestep" into combat as those in contact are killed. But models in depth can't "step up" into combat as those in contact are killed. 🙄 It's not fun and it makes no sense. Thankfully, there are lots of rank-n-flank games that are better.

Step up erased so many units from the game it was unreal. I'd rather have no attacksin combat against war dancers than have wood elves completely forced into all shooting.

Herohammer has returned.

no step up and dont atack first when charge make tow horrible to play for armys as dwarfs and worse now that shooting and warchines are almost useless

It appears the only good to come out of "Warhammer: The Old World" is a renewed interest in rank and flank games. I had hoped for acquiring some old model kits at reasonable prices, and nothing further, but that was a pipe dream, of course. We will continue to play 6th edition/WAP, gradually shift partial units to other model designs, and be as welcoming and helpful to new players as possible.

Too early for Meta talk, you played on e game as well! No “Step up” worked perfectly well for 7 editions & two of WAB!!! Deal with it.

LINEHAMMER 😂

Just remove the ability for not in base contact to attack, maybe add second rank just 1 attack without spears

This is pretty aweful.. way to try and break a game after 5 minutes, and 1 game played. That list looks like the antipathy of fun wargaming... just trying to min/max to win. Tournament gaming takes the character/fun/theme and narrative out of the hobby with its reductive approach. Just play a themed campaign, create narrative and enjoy some battles, try other troops, for, you know, the fun. Don't worry about winning like it matters... get some big boy pants instead... ;-)

I think challenges ruin the game. Makes no sense for almost every faction, except maybe high elves and brettonians to care about it.

Meta is a 24" linehammer flying 24" into your opponent's face with steed of shadows. This is the worst designed game of all time

Wow that list seems like it would be really fun to face!! OH WAIT IT DOESNT….