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The East brought in Arianism

If you don’t mind me asking, regarding the Trinity, how does the Holy Spirit relate to Jesus in the East? A Catholic understanding that I hear from Bishop Barron is that God is love, so we have the three persons: the Father is the Lover, the Son is the Beloved, and the Holy Spirit is the love between them. So the Father eternally begets the Son, the Son is begotten by the Father, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (and the Son). So I’m wondering, currently my limited understanding of Eastern theology is that, because the Holy Spirit’s relation to the Son is “ambiguous” without the filioque, the Trinity seems less like a triangle and more like a ^. Could you clarify?

@@killianmiller6107 Good question. I'm just a layperson, not a clergyman or a theologian, but I'll try my best. As far as I understand, the emphasis in the East is on the "monarchy of the Father." He is the source of the Son and the Holy Spirit, since the Son is begotten from Him and the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him. We focus not so much on the love relationships among the members of the Trinity as on how the Father expresses His love for us by giving us aid through the Son and the Holy Spirit. I've heard it said that the Son and Holy Spirit are the two arms that the Father uses to embrace us.

@@protoeurothe part that always confused me is what exactly the East believes in regards to the relationship between the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit doesn’t proceed from the Son, does that mean the Son doesn’t have one? Does He spirate nothing, breathe nothing out, but the Father does? On the other hand, if the Father’s Breathe is the Son’s Breathe, then how does the Holy Spirit not also proceed (or flow) or spirate from the Son? It’s odd to say the Holy Spirit originates from the Father, and also belongs to the Lord Jesus, but somehow the Holy Spirit does not proceed or flow through the Son. If it does flow through the Son, then it’s also apt to say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son, too. From the Father, through the Son. Perhaps the words “proceeds from” is interpreted as “originates from,” but that doesn’t match what the West believes in regards to the filioque, unless I’m mistaken.

@@dr.j5642thus, the schism. Proceeds from the father, who with the father and son is glorified.

It’s sad how the people hurting the Church did so by destroying the belief in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist and discouraged participation in the rest of the Sacraments. By not properly teaching the Faith on purpose the people were not equipped to see the current cultural trends as against the faith and wrong. So, they accepted the trends instead.

What a blessing Helena. I too got my sacraments during the Easter Vigil. And Father Casey was also very important in my conversion process. Blessing your way, sister!

Praying for you 🙏🏽🙏🏽

Is that all Orthodox Christians can talk about is the creed ? Jesus taught us to love our neighbors, go out and be true Christians , help the poor , the homeless, the drug addicts, the alcoholics, those who are struggling, stop going on about the creed , Jesus is alive in every human

The...video..is... about...the...creed

@@davidGPS95 Dude, the video is about the Creed and understanding the very nature of God is essential for everything else

Awesome! I'm a recent convert and I love the Catholic church!

I'm a complete stranger but your sister too, so congratulations!!! I hope to be not far behind you, returned to the Church after 35 years of being away, still not yet confirmed myself. Yes, Father Casey has been insturmental in helping to see me safely home!🍩☕

Same…thank you for your clear teaching. I’m also dyslexic making me more of an auditory learner.

Well explained Fr. Casey, God Almighty endowed you with the abundant gifts of the Holy Spirit.Your new subscriber here,I received this link from a protestant adolescent boy who planed to be convert in Catholic (under process). May Our Lady of co- redemptrix intercede for us.Amen

"44 No one can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." (Jesus in John 6v44) I´m very grateful, that our LORD showed you His truth and I´m praising YOU that you did this decision, to get baptized. Because it is ALWAYS a decision of everyone alone, so YOU can be very proud on yourself! => "36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him." (Acts 8:36-38). BUT forgive me ONE question: What is a RCIA? ❤❤❤✝❤❤❤

People are too caught up in the rituals, you gotta get on ur knees to pray you gotta hold ur hands a certain way, Etc.

@@deandrecrosby1157 When rituals are seen as an end, in and of themselves, it can be problematic. Such a fixation on practices, gestures and scripts can detract from the faith. I wholeheartedly agree. However, rituals, when properly contextualized, can cultivate a feeling of community and love with our fellow Christians. It is all a matter of perspective. Shared rituals and creeds give us a sense of commonality. There is always time for individual communication with God. There is always time to make our prayer life far more personal and intimate. Rituals, when seen as a galvanizing force and not as the end goal, does not detract from our personal relationship with God.

I'd say that's more true about the Apostles' Creed. Some protestants take umbrage at the idea of baptism for remission of sin as meaning a works based salvation even if they still believe that all Christians should be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Luck with that thesis bro or sis

If you gave them understanding the rest is up to them.

I default to the Apostles Creed because I say the rosary and the Divine Mercy chaplet daily

Yes we say the creed when we pray the Rosary. I also went to a Catholic Church that recited the Apostles Creed instead of the Nicene Creed

I don't know if this is a general practice but, from some time on, in my parish the priests, and all of us as well, recite in mass the apostles creed during lent, holy week and passover.

Lutherans (LCMS) have both creeds in the Divine Service. My church alternates between the two, so if we said Nicene this week we'll say Apostles' next week.

@@angiebee2225 I think the problem in practice is that Protestants don’t actually believe the Creeds. What do you think the “communion of saints” means? Means those who are in heaven that intercede on our behalf to Jesus. Protestants don’t pray to Saints and some don’t even acknowledge there are Saints in heaven who are aware of what’s going on in the material world Do Protestants believe that Jesus descended to Hell when he died, freed the righteous and opened the gates of heaven for them? I know some definitely don’t hold to that. I questioned a family member on that who was perturbed that I said Jesus descended to hell after he was crucified. I asked him to re read the Apostles Creed and question whether he actually believed what ancient Christian’s believed

Most mainline Protestant denominations still hold to the Nicene Creed. The dogmatic differences come from interpretations of the words (most of such Protestant denominations hold a view of a universal church that spans across denominational lines, for example, which is not in line with what the CCC teaches when the phrase "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic" is used), but we are starting from the same words regardless.

@@toadofsteel No. Protestant churches use the word “catholic” because it simply means united. All believers are united in Christ through the Spirit, not through denominational religious doctrine.

Catholic (with a small “c”) means universal. Some denominations have gone back to using “Christian” in place of catholic. I’m not a big fan of that.

Although not scriptural or doctrinal to the Catholic Church, you may be interested in learning about the Shroud of Turin. Just type shroud of Turin in your KZfaq search. The shroud has been venerated by Catholics for centuries as the burial clothes of Jesus Christ. You may have heard of it.

I'm going through LCMS adult confirmation and we're currently going through the Apostles' Creed right now. It's been really fantastic. I came from a Baptist background and while we were taught our Bibles, I wish we had something like the small catechism when I was younger. I went to a Christian college and minored in Biblical studies, so I know a lot of stuff about theology, but there's something to be said for clearly laying out the basics.

So happy for you!

Great to hear from someone who is apart with the knights of columbus council

@Highview Barbell Despite the first Vatican council making it clear that Greek speaking catholics and eastern churches have a choice there was a history of forcing it at the local level, especially in America. The second Vatican council not only said that it should be dropped but encouraged dropping the filioque from those traditions (eastern churches) that did not have it. You can go to some eastern churches and the priests and cantor do not say the filioque but some from the congregation say it. I imagine that there are some priests that may also but I would suspect they are biritual latin catholic priests and don't mean to but do so out of habit. For the dogma side, the belief of the catholic and orthodox have been united on this since before the schism. as mentioned in the video there is pre schisim usage of it within latin speaking communities. Some bishops added it in and eventually it became standard in the latin church. but eastern churches largly did not accept this until the 1800's this is where latinization started occurring and we saw many pressures against our traditions especially in the US. In the early 1900s this got particularly tense with bishop John Ireland being, frankly, un Christian to his catholic brothers. This resulted in what I call the great American schism. (although the methodists are making a run at that claim.) Eastern churches by in large joined the orthodox churches. In my community we can count numerous parishes that have their origin in one catholic parish. The catechism of the catholic church has a good explanation of this(the filioque), I would recommend reading the surrounding sections. "At the outset the Eastern tradition expresses the Father's character as first origin of the Spirit. By confessing the Spirit as he "who proceeds from the Father", it affirms that he comes from the Father through the Son. The Western tradition expresses first the consubstantial communion between Father and Son, by saying that the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son (filioque). It says this, "legitimately and with good reason", for the eternal order of the divine persons in their consubstantial communion implies that the Father, as "the principle without principle", is the first origin of the Spirit, but also that as Father of the only Son, he is, with the Son, the single principle from which the Holy Spirit proceeds. This legitimate complementarity, provided it does not become rigid, does not affect the identity of faith in the reality of the same mystery confessed." CCC 248

Thats odd, I came back to add more and I didn't see the original response. Posting from email for clarity. "OCA here, woah they didn't make you guys add the filioque to be in communion with them? Interesting, so they don't consider it core dogma even now?"

You can hear it on Fr.Mike podcast on catechism in a year.

Glad you're returning to church!!! What might help your view of the Trinity is the athanasian creed. It's one of the three fundamental creeds (apostles and Nicene is the other), and was written almost entirely to clarify exactly what the Trinity is

@@Godfrey118 Thank you very much! I didn't even know about that creed before. I'll make sure to look into it! :)

@@neil.borbon In any case, don't beat yourself up for having difficulties with it. It's a Mystery with a capital M for a very good reason.

@@rmdodsonbills You make a good point. I will keep that in mind. Thank you very much!

@@neil.borbonalso check catechism in a year by Fr. Mike