The Original Max Payne: 2001 Retro PC Time Capsule vs PlayStation 2

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11 ай бұрын

Max Payne may well be getting a full-on remake, but here's where it all began, way back in 2003. Join Alex Battaglia - playing on period appropriate PC hardware - along with John Linneman on PS2 to see why this game was such a big deal, and how troublesome it was to bring to consoles.
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@Dreddtube
@Dreddtube 11 ай бұрын
I've completed that game during a snowy winter, mostly at night, when I was depressed. Some of the best memories of my gamer's life.
@xmenyoyo
@xmenyoyo 11 ай бұрын
Sounds like the perfect atmosphere to play video games 😉
@sellingacoerwa8318
@sellingacoerwa8318 11 ай бұрын
I remember playing this game sooo much, part 2 as well, this and the first Farcry. was like magic man, magic.
@peteparker22
@peteparker22 11 ай бұрын
Waiting on a remaster for the first 2 games
@TechRyze
@TechRyze 11 ай бұрын
@@sellingacoerwa8318 At this time I remember having Max Payne, Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Medal of Honor Allied Assault on the go, and the PC versions of the GTA III era games were around as well. FarCry was a little later in my mind's eye, but that could have been me not having the hardware to run it for a year or two!
@originalityisdead.9513
@originalityisdead.9513 11 ай бұрын
​@@TechRyze Far Cry was later, 2004.
@struckbydog8629
@struckbydog8629 11 ай бұрын
Loved this game as a teen. This game also made me realize how distorted the game spaces are to accommodate the third person camera. Look at those 15 foot high ceilings!
@kupokinzyt
@kupokinzyt 11 ай бұрын
Holy wow I'm replaying Dark Souls at the moment and never have I understood this more lol.
@SnakeShitNL
@SnakeShitNL 11 ай бұрын
OMG!! only because you point it out. Never noticed this and have played this game more than anyone should :D
@gulanhem9495
@gulanhem9495 11 ай бұрын
@@kupokinzyt How does it look in Dark Souls? The distortion?
@ken131
@ken131 11 ай бұрын
To be fair it's believable enough. some old buildings have high ceilings because they had no AC in those days and it gave hot air a place to rise up. That's the excuse I'm going with anyway.
@Bailer86
@Bailer86 11 ай бұрын
is that the reason why some rooms that should be smaller, but aren't like the bedrooms in Max's apartment? hes a Jersey cop, I doubt his apartment is that big.
@MINI_91
@MINI_91 11 ай бұрын
Still the best narration in any video game ever made. I adore the way Max describes what's happening and how he feels. What a classic.
@BaronVonHaggis
@BaronVonHaggis 11 ай бұрын
_As I finally closed the tab, I couldn't shake the feeling that I had just survived a brutal firefight in a war-torn city of words. The scars were invisible, but the impact was undeniable. The KZfaq comments section was a no man's land, a digital wasteland where the boundaries of civility and coherence were shattered, leaving only the echoes of incoherent ramblings and the bitter taste of disillusionment._ - Max Payne reading the comments section of KZfaq.
@Egurius3
@Egurius3 11 ай бұрын
​@@BaronVonHaggisPerfection
@amilyester
@amilyester 11 ай бұрын
James McCaffrey as Max is a gem. Right up there alongside Michael Ironside as Sam Fisher. Iconic performances.
@MrXreuf
@MrXreuf 11 ай бұрын
Alan Wake exist... The creator of max payne. ^^
@MINI_91
@MINI_91 11 ай бұрын
@@MrXreuf yeah, but it ain't Max Payne.
@thebaffman4898
@thebaffman4898 11 ай бұрын
You missed the opportunity to get attacked by rats after throwing a granade in the hole in the brick wall (curious to know if that's also in the PS2 version) , also if you shoot at the alarm on the ceiling it will immediately stop and Max will break the 4th wall and thank the player. Man I love Remedy.
@ezaike335
@ezaike335 11 ай бұрын
I LOVE this game! The atmosphere is amazing in this game
@Tx_zx
@Tx_zx 11 ай бұрын
The atmosphere in this game is the best in the series :)
@jackjack121
@jackjack121 11 ай бұрын
Still replay to this day.
@brugalman1183
@brugalman1183 11 ай бұрын
literally all the max payne games are incredible, genuinely my favorite third person shooters of all time
@bagggers9796
@bagggers9796 11 ай бұрын
@@Tx_zx Thought I was crazy when I played MP2 and thought it didn't have as strong an atmosphere as the first
@RalfKraus
@RalfKraus 11 ай бұрын
REMEDY is Number1 in regards of atmospheric story telling 😍
@feedingfrenzy123
@feedingfrenzy123 11 ай бұрын
Max Payne came with my secondhand PS2 as a kid and I'm really happy I gave it a chance and played it. Performance looking back is pretty dire but I didn't know any better and the gameplay was still very fun. Made me a fan of the series
@TehBurek
@TehBurek 11 ай бұрын
Re: two points in the video: - It's absolutely no coincidence that there are similarities between this and 3DMark. As shown in the 3DMark credits, the Max Payne engine is used, Remedy and MadOnion (future FutureMark) share common ancestry and some personnel, there are close ties there, another fun fact is that the band Poets Of The Fall contributed music tracks to both Max Payne and 3DMark (and later Control). - I don't remember if the game required DirectX 8 to run, but even if it did, it was a mostly arbitrary software API targeting thing. Hardware capability wise, it's completely a DirectX 7 level game, all fixed function pipeline, no programmable shaders.
@DenkyManner
@DenkyManner 11 ай бұрын
Poets of The Fall feature in Alan Wake as well
@Smokinjoewhite
@Smokinjoewhite 11 ай бұрын
I ran this on the first PC I bought and built for myself. 1.33Ghz Athlon (fastest consumer CPU at the time) 256MB RAM Geforce 2mx (upgraded a few months after initial build to a Geforce 3 Ti200, which I promptly overclocked to near Ti500 speeds, as you did back then) and a lovely 19" Sony Trinitron monitor This game freaking blew my mind at the time. and yes, even with what was at the time of purchase, the fastest cpu on the market here in AUS this game was really demanding on the CPU side.
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
Ah, brings back great memories. While I do love all the attention PC gaming gets these days I find it lacks the intimate charm of days past, either that or I'm just getting old and nostalgic.
@hughJ
@hughJ 11 ай бұрын
Pretty close to the system I built for first year of college in summer of 2001. 1.4tbird, geforce3, 60GB ibm deskstar, 19 trinitron e400. Max Payne would have been the first single player game I bought to play on it. Still have the Lian Li PC68 case that it was inside. Also my first and last Remedy game, as after that they moved to console games.
@bananachild1936
@bananachild1936 11 ай бұрын
I legit thought Max Payne was a famous movie IP back when it first released in 2001 because it really has that aura of an excellent noir narrative perfect for the big screen. Turns out it was a completely original video game made by a passionate team of devs and that blew my mind when I found out.
@randybobandy9828
@randybobandy9828 3 ай бұрын
Did the movie they made of max payne flop?
@philipcooper8297
@philipcooper8297 11 ай бұрын
I finished this game on PC, PS2, GBA, Android phone, PS4 (the PS2 version) and even again on the PC. This game is really something.
@MrXreuf
@MrXreuf 11 ай бұрын
Always the worst version, Woaw. Gg
@athenian221
@athenian221 10 ай бұрын
Wow I'm impressed had no idea there were so many versions
@randybobandy9828
@randybobandy9828 3 ай бұрын
I did enjoy it when I got it on release for the PS2 but even thinking of playing this game makes me die of boredom. The game just doesn't seem fun. Idk.
@CuppaKofe
@CuppaKofe 3 ай бұрын
I’ve tried so many times to play through the gba conversion, but it’s so god damn difficult to control. I like how it took the same approach as the Tony Hawk gba games but like those it looks better than it plays.
@TSL73
@TSL73 11 ай бұрын
The Xbox port for this game is very good. If you play it backwards compatible it’s 4K 60 fps on Series X and it even has dead zone modifiers so you can make the game feel really good to play as well.
@trobriandstorm
@trobriandstorm 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, it easily the best one, even better than the PS4 port.
@BeRadNotBadYo
@BeRadNotBadYo 11 ай бұрын
Are you sure it's 60fps?
@BeRadNotBadYo
@BeRadNotBadYo 11 ай бұрын
Lol nvm I'm a dumbass it's max payne 3 with the 30 fps lock. Really wish that game got fps boost
@2psah2
@2psah2 11 ай бұрын
True. Lots of games got a great treatment for the Series X. I just wish they also did SSX Tricky.... Can't even play it at all on Series X.
@Mark-mu4pj
@Mark-mu4pj 11 ай бұрын
Cool didn't know that going to play it on my Series X.
@spikepsych
@spikepsych 11 ай бұрын
played the xbox version for the first time ever last year and got super hooked on it finished on all difficulties, thats very impressive to me for a 2001 game to hook me like that 20 years later
@krono5el
@krono5el 11 ай бұрын
gameplay is king, when ever gameplay is fun its timeless and always a good time.
@elone3997
@elone3997 11 ай бұрын
@@krono5el Very true. "Rise of the robots" taught me that looks alone do not make a game 😖
@Danne-Danger
@Danne-Danger 11 ай бұрын
Deus Ex has an interesting PS2-port with neat controls and map changes, worth a look in a future feature!
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
I actually agree, in their attempts to adapt key bindings from (basically) your entire keyboard to a controller they had to streamline some features (lockpicks, hacking tools, numpads) which in my option made the game much easier to play. I only wish they would add it to the PS2 Classics so I can play it on my PS4 with everything upscaled for my modern TV. There was once a port of System Shock 2 in the works for the Sega Dreamcast, it never saw the light of day but I always imagined Irrational taking a similar approach to what was done with DX on PS2.
@Danne-Danger
@Danne-Danger 11 ай бұрын
@aschilds as long as you play it stealthily it isn't too bad, but once you start alerting AI:s it's like single digit framerates. If you then take out the flamethrower... oh my!
@Wobbothe3rd
@Wobbothe3rd 11 ай бұрын
​@@Danne-Dangerto be fair it has pretty bad single thread performance on modern systems to this day lol. Unreal Engine was always single thread limited even then!
@oscarzxn4067
@oscarzxn4067 11 ай бұрын
They did a long analysis of it a few years ago, but a side by side would be neat as well
@TailsGuy72
@TailsGuy72 11 ай бұрын
They've actually done this
@kayeplaguedoc9054
@kayeplaguedoc9054 11 ай бұрын
Considering the texture limitations of the PS2, I’m even more amazed by the texture work in Silent Hill 3
@Dorraj
@Dorraj 11 ай бұрын
Textures and lighting were both really impressive in SH3 for PS2, I'll never forget being impressed as a kid the first time I played it
@Nintenboy01
@Nintenboy01 11 ай бұрын
Did you see that Megatexture demo made for N64 recently? Imagine if similar techniques were used on PS2 back in the day
@kayeplaguedoc9054
@kayeplaguedoc9054 11 ай бұрын
@@Dorraj The game has aged beautifully, you look at it compared to Homecoming and its hard to believe they're a generation apart. Homecoming still has some good graphical elements but it looks like ass compared to SH3.
@JustFun-ho6qy
@JustFun-ho6qy 11 ай бұрын
Homecoming is the king of hair helmets.
@Vsevolod3788
@Vsevolod3788 11 ай бұрын
SH3 is the most underrated game graphics wise. Games with facial animation that believable started to appear only decade later. The game still looks phenomenal!
@Serpens6
@Serpens6 11 ай бұрын
The final level has a cutscene if you die that barely plays on the PS2, it’s amazing!
@HatedJared
@HatedJared 11 ай бұрын
I had MP on PS2. Its one of the few games I reminisce on often. Remedy's dark storytelling is unlike any other developers.
@KingSigy
@KingSigy 11 ай бұрын
I don't remember what PC I had at the time, but I know I ran this on a Ti 4600. It was mindblowing how smoothly it ran.
@mattlandry
@mattlandry 11 ай бұрын
I originally played this on a meh PC in 2005 and it ran pretty good but then I played the PSN version on PS3 years later and i couldn't believe how rough it was.
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
This was one of the first games I upgraded my PC in advance due to anticipation, makes me miss 3DFX.
@Harry101UK
@Harry101UK 11 ай бұрын
Max got in the train and John says "Max the conductor!" I was really expecting "MAX TRAYNE!" lol
@bauer9101
@bauer9101 11 ай бұрын
Max Payne was the first game I used mods for. It blew my mind what could be done. My AMD Athlon 1GHz got me through ok.
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
I knew quite a few people in the Max Payne mod community back in the day, I think the kung-fu mod may have been my favorite. Maddieman was a great developer.
@Swisshost
@Swisshost 11 ай бұрын
The night fever mod, when max was idle. The Saturday Night Fever music started and he was dancing 😆
@Sabbalab92
@Sabbalab92 11 ай бұрын
I remember playing a matrix mod that added kung fu. It was amazing what mods could do even back then.
@bombjack1984
@bombjack1984 11 ай бұрын
The long loads on John's PS2 version are easily offset by Alex's endless deaths 😄
@norzma
@norzma 11 ай бұрын
Replayed both Max Payne 1 and 2 just this spring/early summer, was great and after not having played either of them since my childhood it was fun to see it holds up very well.
@TwinOpinion
@TwinOpinion 11 ай бұрын
🤩I remember reading the previews for Max Payne in PC Gamer magazine. The photo realistic graphics and bullet time blew my little mind🤯, but it was Sam Lake's writing and a stellar cast that touched my soul. Max's struggles and nightmares were so real... Made me a lifetime Remedy fan!
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
I remember reading the same spread in PC Gamer - they talked about how every texture in the game is made from a photograph (including the individual bullets) and having my mind blown. Remedy actually took a trip to NYC just to take photos for textures in the game.
@TwinOpinion
@TwinOpinion 11 ай бұрын
@@aschilds Oh yeah! I remember! That kind of insider info was wild back then... Thank you!
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
@@TwinOpinion I love it when developers deep dive into insider information about development. I've learned a lot of great things to do (and not to do) from Harvey Smith (Ion Storm, Arkane) who had performed a series of lectures about his history in game development for Warren Spector's college class. I absolutely recommend checking into them they are available here on KZfaq.
@TwinOpinion
@TwinOpinion 11 ай бұрын
I'll have to check it out! I recently discovered Tim Cain's youtube channel. His stories have been utterly fascinating! Inspired me to finally play Fallout 1 & 2, as well as Arcanum. It's been amazing.@@aschilds
@Loundsify
@Loundsify 10 ай бұрын
​@@aschildsthe Getaway did something similar making a life sized London world. Man that game is so good.
@thebham95
@thebham95 11 ай бұрын
love max Payne. still play it on the regular.
@lordmaster2562
@lordmaster2562 11 ай бұрын
Hahahhahahahhahaha
@crzybrit8150
@crzybrit8150 11 ай бұрын
Same here, I never played it on PC but going from ps2 to xbox series S was a huge difference... Especially the frame rate 😂 I swear it went less than 10fps on ps2 sometimes
@club4ghz
@club4ghz 11 ай бұрын
Should try "The Devil Inside" as well but man that game won't even start on windows 10 or windows 11. I think you need win 98 or XP to play it.
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
@@crzybrit8150 The original PC version is such a mess and pain to get working properly on modern operating systems (unless something has made a recent drastic change) I think you made a good choice going with the xbox version. When I get the itch I play the PS2 version on my PS4.
@newyork1222
@newyork1222 11 ай бұрын
​@@aschildsAgreed, its much easier playing some of these classics on a console than PC these days. Just hit install and play, the games are normally at least 1080p 60fps anyway and look great! Its better than spending an hour getting the same game going on a PC lol.
@jamesoloughlin
@jamesoloughlin 11 ай бұрын
Max Payne was one of the few games I got on multiple platforms (PC, PS2, Xbox, even on iOS eventually) to compare the differences myself with I was a teenager. Glad DF cares about such things too years later. Splinter Cell was another title I did the same.
@thebaffman4898
@thebaffman4898 11 ай бұрын
I still remember playing Max Payne on my poor TNT2 when it came out, the framerate was so low I had to look at the ground to make it playable. But man I didn't care...it looked so good and it was so fun that I just kept playing, I was completely captured by the story and atmosphere. Simpler times...
@TORQUENDB
@TORQUENDB 11 ай бұрын
Huh, I didnt realize the first Max Payne was released on PS2. I played it on Xbox back in the day (and still today, I always have issues with the PC version crashing even with fan patches), I still remember the magazine ads with close-ups of Max's face and how it was real in-game graphics.
@cunt5413
@cunt5413 11 ай бұрын
This game doesn't like Ryzen. But the fan patches helped me.
@James-gj8rn
@James-gj8rn 11 ай бұрын
Oh what a throwback this is! Remedy at the PEAK of their craft (James Mccaffrey was legendary)
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
I still prefer Sam Lake as the model for Max Payne, he nailed the character's vibe. When I first saw Max's model in the sequel I thought it was a prank. I get due to licensing and the sale of the IP it had to be changed but they swapped my 20 something hard edged gangster badass for a middle aged man having a mid life crisis. James McCaffrey was great as always, though.
@Blaze92NL
@Blaze92NL 11 ай бұрын
Sam Lake = Max Payne
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
@@Blaze92NL I really, really hope for the remake they try to create a new character design inspired by Sam Lake's Max Payne. The voice fortunately shouldn't be an issue.
@seangalvin4582
@seangalvin4582 11 ай бұрын
I just recently picked up a complete Big Box PC copy of Max Payne at Goodwill for 1.99. It was complete with a mouse pad. I was super pumped.
@tHeWasTeDYouTh
@tHeWasTeDYouTh 11 ай бұрын
I want digital foundry to make a video like this for all the late 90s and early 2000s PC games that got ported to the PS2 like Quake 3 Arena, Unreal Tournament, Giant Citizen Kabuto, MDK2, Red Faction, Project Eden and others. DF has already done videos on NOLF and Max Payne.
@OfficialiGamer
@OfficialiGamer 11 ай бұрын
I absolutely love hearing ya'll rambling! Hope ya'll do more of these! It makes me feel like I'm right there next to ya'll!
@WrathDrago
@WrathDrago 11 ай бұрын
2003? Didn't this come out in 2001.
@eugeneko26
@eugeneko26 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for great video! Liked this series very much as a kid) And that music and atmosphere... just awesome!
@SterkeYerke5555
@SterkeYerke5555 11 ай бұрын
You could have a go at the PS2 port of the original Mafia game (the city of Lost Heaven). Worse textures (iirc the streets were just a single grey colour), bad framerate, loading screens in areas that didn't have them in the pc original, etc
@SterkeYerke5555
@SterkeYerke5555 11 ай бұрын
Just checked: the streets did get textures, they were just so low-res that they appeared to be a single colour over composite. Both console versions also missed out on manual transmissions, working odometers (obviously the worst part), widescreen support and all of the Freeride extreme mode, getting a racing mode instead. Consoles also got pre-rendered cutscenes rather than those rendered in real time on pc. I recall they looked rather bad even over composite, as all of the game still had to fit on a single dvd. All while being a somewhat late game for 6th gen consoles, as the console ports came out in 2004 - nearly two years after the pc original.
@TapMyButtons
@TapMyButtons 11 ай бұрын
Honestly can't wait for the remakes after seeing the engine powering Alan Wake 2
@Housesider
@Housesider 11 ай бұрын
I knew the PS2 version was bonked, but had no idea it was to the extent of missing entire swaths of level geometry and gameplay! That's insane, and reminiscent of the PS2 versions of the Splinter Cell games.
@Clay3613
@Clay3613 11 ай бұрын
Those missing areas are superfluous and add nothing!
@ShadowsThe1
@ShadowsThe1 10 ай бұрын
First map has missing paintings already and it also smallest map :)
@rabid_si
@rabid_si 10 ай бұрын
@@Clay3613 Was literally my first thought. It's a no-brainer removal for resource saving. They're pretty tough on the comparisons here. Are the console version (particularly PS2) "worse"? Absolutely, but I'd struggle to call them particularly bad or incompetent, But they work and are playable, and they're actually pretty impressive considering the hardware shortfalls. In terms of differences, it's pretty minor if you go back and look at the kinds of platform differences you'd see in earlier generations. Anyone familiar with platform variations from the 16bit, 8bit and Microcomputer era knows that the same title on a different platform could essentially be a completely different game (sometimes almost a completely different genre) from whatever the original were. Actual wild stuff!
@vikramjadhav3631
@vikramjadhav3631 11 ай бұрын
Great video, guys! The title says 2003, but the game came out in 2001. Ran really well on my Athlon 650 and NVIDIA Riva TNT 2. Max Payne 2 came out in 2003, which had Havok Physics 2 a year before HL2.
@vikramjadhav3631
@vikramjadhav3631 11 ай бұрын
Thanks, DF, for correcting the title!
@randybobandy9828
@randybobandy9828 3 ай бұрын
​@@vikramjadhav3631 the description still says 2003 😂
@vikramjadhav3631
@vikramjadhav3631 3 ай бұрын
@@randybobandy9828 Good observation. I hope they correct that, too.
@HunterTinsley
@HunterTinsley 11 ай бұрын
I was a HUGE fan of Max Payne on PC. My cousin was console only so I bought him a copy for PS2 for Christmas. ...he hated it. :(
@ark_knight
@ark_knight 11 ай бұрын
He is not your cousin anymore! :)
@SixSioux
@SixSioux 11 ай бұрын
I bet, with that horrendous framerate! X))
@michaelsantoro9864
@michaelsantoro9864 11 ай бұрын
We love hearing you two commentate over games and do comparisons like this. MP is one of my favorite games so I was stoked when I saw you covered it. Thank you!
@amilyester
@amilyester 11 ай бұрын
One of my favourite games of all time. No one does it like Remedy!
@schwartzy65
@schwartzy65 11 ай бұрын
Too bad they didnt do third :/ cant wait for the remasters!
@Digimess88
@Digimess88 11 ай бұрын
you see what they're doing with Alan Wake II? kinda how they blended comic-book style slides, now they are doing live-action cutscenes mixed in which is a huge creative risk and i love it. I wish there were more "individuals" in the gaming industry like Sam Lake, Hideo Kojima, Todd Howard, Michał Kiciński, John Carmack, GabeN and even Cliffy B lol. I feel like the bigger the studio, the more people, the less risks are taken...and also no one person is at fault or to credit. It's all just a pre-communistic environment where too many people are involved while trying to make games that appeal to everyone, but in doing that create something that noone connects with or relates to.
@XDapologist
@XDapologist 11 ай бұрын
Just finished 1 and 2 on pc last week perfect timing
@ScientificZoom
@ScientificZoom 11 ай бұрын
Still played so many times, yet enjoyable
@gmanuk1986
@gmanuk1986 11 ай бұрын
awesome video, I love these pc time capsule vs ps2 and would love to see max payne 2
@CasepbX
@CasepbX 11 ай бұрын
This game has such a massive amount of style and charm. I doubt the remake will be able to reproduce that.
@numpy5135
@numpy5135 11 ай бұрын
remedy makes games which keep standing out from its competition, hopefully they will knock it out of the park again
@anchorlightforge
@anchorlightforge 11 ай бұрын
Because Remedy is at the helm I have hope. Not to mention, I have a feeling we may see plot revisions that will help the first and second game fit together more smoothly.
@richiegore1
@richiegore1 11 ай бұрын
They can reuse the 3D mode from the detective in Alan wake 2.
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
Honestly I'd be perfectly happy with a remaster like the recent Quake II release. The game is one of the best ever made, no need to reinvent the wheel if they don't have to.
@crazyjak56
@crazyjak56 11 ай бұрын
I think when you consider the games remedy have been making, they can definitely get the atmosphere of this game right, if not some of the goofiness from the jank.
@stephensanders2104
@stephensanders2104 11 ай бұрын
I LOVE Max Payne I CAN'T WAIT FOR Max Payne 1 AND 2 REMAKE
@Nocholas
@Nocholas 11 ай бұрын
I still have the mouse pad that came in the box for PC. It has the appeal of old nostalgic running shoes.
@oneandonlyjark
@oneandonlyjark 11 ай бұрын
Just want to dispel any notion here: REMEDY made the first two Max Payne games. Not Rockstar; they merely assisted with console ports (and published MP2). Yet, bc Rockstar fully took over for Max Payne 3, eleven years ago (thereabouts), there persists some notion on "Twitter" that Rockstar developed MP1.
@sandrinowitschM
@sandrinowitschM 11 ай бұрын
I played that game on an Athlon 600 with an Nvidia TNT card and it seemed to run just fine. Maybe because back then I considered everything above 20 fps to be playable. And I probably played it at 640x480.
@timkasansky2528
@timkasansky2528 11 ай бұрын
my PC for old games now is a Athlon 64 X2 4600+ with a Geforce 250GTS. I actually played both MP1 and 2 a few days ago. MP2 on max settings still looks great.
@RaikenTB
@RaikenTB 10 ай бұрын
It was kind of mind blowing playing Max Payne years later on PC and noticing all the stuff I missed on PS2. Still had a lot of fun playing for the first time on console. I really wish they would update the game on steam so you could properly play it without mods.
@4dxl
@4dxl 11 ай бұрын
I love your time capsule videos !
@Cade_The_Squirrel
@Cade_The_Squirrel 11 ай бұрын
I'd love to see you do this with Shadow Man on Dreamcast Vs a period accurate PC, would be super interesting to compare.
@ItsameMatt
@ItsameMatt 11 ай бұрын
The only version I played of Max Payne was the GBA, and I'm impressed watching this at how faithful that version was. I had no idea how well they nailed it on that little handheld.
@amitava1586
@amitava1586 11 ай бұрын
Had been hoping for this for a long time! Thanks for bringing back fond memories
@alexkulik9607
@alexkulik9607 11 ай бұрын
The red loading screen is so iconic. Loaded so slow on the pc when I was a kid
@kickazzdrummer666
@kickazzdrummer666 11 ай бұрын
If you're a fan of The Matrix at that time, you'll absolutely love this game.
@jlidean3541
@jlidean3541 11 ай бұрын
I think they came up with the idea first, but because of how game development works, The Matrix came out first. (they had the same influences)
@perlichtman1562
@perlichtman1562 11 ай бұрын
It’s a trip hearing about running the game on that sort of hardware because I was running the demo at the time on a lowly AMD K6-3 450 MHz, alongside another app to playback WAV files of tracker music I’d composed to see how it went with the action (I can even remember my favorite one) and I was still happy with the framerate at the time. It’s a trip now to think of people on much more powerful systems having a frustrating time. :)
@Cinetyk
@Cinetyk 11 ай бұрын
I was 17 when I played this on PC back in the day. At the time, from a gameplay perspective, of course the "bullet time" stuff was awesomely cool! But as I was playing I found myself increasingly more and more engaged with the story and just the visual presentation of all of it. Then I recognized the writing and voice acting work, also the soundtrack. This is probably the first videogame I kept on my mind ever since I played it, I'm 39 now, even without me thinking about it. I cannot forget the Frankie the Bat Niagara moments like: Max Payne - "Niagara, as in you cry a lot?" [Payne as narrator] - I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do. (Frank proceeds to smack Payne with the bat repeatedly) Years later Remedy keeps on in my mind, they have such unique and good taste in their work. Control was absolutely exquisite. It's good to revisit the original Max Payne and have Alan Wake 2 pretty close. Thanks DF for all your work and this revisit in particular.
@davidjeffery3532
@davidjeffery3532 11 ай бұрын
One of my favourite games! Thank you!
@Mike0193Azul
@Mike0193Azul 11 ай бұрын
One of the greatest written games every. So captivating and dark and moody. Film noire translated to video game form perfectly 👾
@vedomedo
@vedomedo 11 ай бұрын
Both this and the second one are amazing games
@mbsfaridi
@mbsfaridi 11 ай бұрын
Always enjoy these, nice relaxing gameplay with DF "ramblings" 👍
@191desperado
@191desperado 11 ай бұрын
I hope these videos perform well. I can lay back and watch these Alex and John Time Capsule videos all day long.
@LouisBee
@LouisBee 11 ай бұрын
You guys mentioned Max Payne was demanding but I can recall running it, quite comfortably, with a TNT 2 Ultra 32MB. It did scale quite well for period appropriate hardware, all things considered.
@Dicecreamvan
@Dicecreamvan 11 ай бұрын
I ran it pretty decent on my Riva Tnt2 m64 as well. I remember having loads of ram for the time though.
@rannarharmaste9857
@rannarharmaste9857 11 ай бұрын
I played it on voodoo 3 2000 with celeron 400mhz and also remember it running fine. Strange to see/hear pentium 4 1.5ghz has problems
@Steak818
@Steak818 11 ай бұрын
@@rannarharmaste9857Played it on a Pentium III and it run flawlessly, so there was something wrong on their end.
@TechRyze
@TechRyze 11 ай бұрын
Yep, plus there was always the choice to drop down to 800x600 on a CRT back then. I remember this running great on my kit as well. Pentium 4 was weak as anything at launch, so moving away from WinME, plus changing that CPU to something that people were buying back then would probably achieve better results. WinME and a 1st gen P4 just weren't what the average gamer wanted at the time. RAMBUS memory was around at the time the P4 launched, and nobody wanted that overpriced crap either (apart from Sony with the PS3, years later).
@leanlifter1
@leanlifter1 11 ай бұрын
​​​@@TechRyzeP4 was the most overhyped, overpriced, low performance "gaming chip" ever made. In fact it was a debacle and Intel was forced to pay out millions in rebates to all the people that got suckered into the sales and marketing propaganda. Fact was that at the time AMD Athlon 64 was the best performer and top dog gaming cpu and it cost allot less than Intel's propaganda tax they placed on their junk P4 chips that were the biggest flop ever. In fact Intel's P4 chips were so much garbage Intel lost millions of dollars and reputation in the process.
@walter_the_wobot2349
@walter_the_wobot2349 11 ай бұрын
The Max Payne trilogy plays wonderfully on Steam Deck. 🙂
@retro_ed746
@retro_ed746 11 ай бұрын
True. But jpeg error needs a fix on MP1...
@adriantrusca1245
@adriantrusca1245 11 ай бұрын
Hardware that's period appropriate? Sure, if you were rich during those times. Very few people had Pentium 4's in 2000. I played Max Payne in 2001 on a Pentium IIi 500mhz, 128 mb of ram, 4mb integrated graphics card, and a 10gb hard disk.
@theimpudentwanderer
@theimpudentwanderer 11 ай бұрын
Loved this video. Please do make another one for Max Payne 2. Wasn't bored for a single second throughout the 1 hour length
@LettuceJUMP
@LettuceJUMP 11 ай бұрын
Love these comparisons! Alex and John are great combo. Classic game!
@treiz01
@treiz01 11 ай бұрын
I played Max Payne on an AMD Duron 800Mhz (single core CPU) with 128mb ram and 128mb ATI 9800 Pro - it ran flawlessly at 1024x768.
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
If you play the PS2 version on a PS4 (PS2 Classics Edition) the emulator upscales the entire game's resolution, textures, effects, frame rate and makes a huge difference.
@PunchKickBlog
@PunchKickBlog 11 ай бұрын
Bought it and couldnt even finish the first stage on console. Didnt feel right to me. Cant even put my finger on it. Was it a save anywhere game on pc back in the day? The checkpointing on ps2 felt bad, but maybe im just a way worse gamer now, haha
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
@@PunchKickBlog Considering the game is basically a first person shooter with a rotating third person camera it does play and "feel" a bit differently on console. The PC version did have the ability to save anywhere while the console versions use checkpoints. Besides the obvious difference in controls I can definitely understand your preference for PC, it's what the game was developed and targeted to run on anyway. The console versions aren't bad in my opinion, they just play a little different with some minor changes. However I'll totally admit that PC is what it was meant for.
@krono5el
@krono5el 11 ай бұрын
but its still the crappy edited version and not even the full game, just play the original on your phone.
@aschilds
@aschilds 11 ай бұрын
@@krono5el I was simply providing information for people who may not have known. While it may not be for everyone I personally find it entertaining.
@SuperBearPoo
@SuperBearPoo 11 ай бұрын
@@aschilds Analog sticks are AWFUL for playing a game like Max Payne. You can always tell just from gameplay footage if someone is playing a shooter with a mouse and keyboard or a controller. Even motion controls on the Wii are infinitely better than aiming with an analog stick, regardless of the controller you're using.
@gehtdinichtsan309
@gehtdinichtsan309 11 ай бұрын
the first max payne will always hold a special place in my heart. there were a lot of nay-sayers back then, "full price for just 8h of game? no!"; well i loved it! especially the graphic novel pages to tell the story, "is this the payne residence? - yes, someone broke into my house, please call 911!" - good, i'm afraid i cannot help you.."
@SomeRandomGuy369
@SomeRandomGuy369 11 ай бұрын
This is the best video you guys have ever done in the 10+ years I have been watching. I really like watching and listening to raw uncut footage while you guys play this game. I was just as lost where to go and am amazed how fast you figured it out. Im shocked by the changes made to the levels. I like watching Alex die all the time. That would be me. Im not even bad at video games. It happenes and it's all good because it showes the struggle with the pc. This is really good content. I would like to see you guys play the whole game. Even if you used cheat codes to do it and did it in defferent parts. Even if you dont do it now I think later you guys should for the fun of it. I would like to see Max Payne 2 on xbox, ps2, and pc at the same time. I played it on Xbox and it handled pretty good in the day. I really want them to remix Max Payne with RTX. It would be a great game to remix. I just had so much fun watching you guys play this game and I hope to see other games like this where you play together with raw uncut footage. I will try and look up some games you have not done yet and see if they would be good to play. This was cool.
@MichaelODonoghueMOD
@MichaelODonoghueMOD 11 ай бұрын
I played through this and MP2 recently on the Series X and it was a pretty smooth experience. It looks a lot more like the pc version. Back in the day I originally played it on an AMD Athlon and Geforce 4 ti 4200. I don't remember performance issues but I might not have noticed if it ran at 40 FPS, whereas I would if anything didn't run at 60 these days
@lukemclaughlin2184
@lukemclaughlin2184 11 ай бұрын
I loved this game, and the second one. I ran it on the GeForce 3 ti200, that was a great card!
@zummone
@zummone 11 ай бұрын
The 480p mode on GSM might have crashed because of FMVs if there were any during startup. There should be an included hack to disable FMVs made specifically to circumvent this issue.
@SonDo91
@SonDo91 11 ай бұрын
I am curious to see how the PS2 version performs in later stages, such as the Aesir HQ with lots of enemies on screen and a big lobby (like Matrix, if my memory serves correctly). I remember playing MP for the first time on a Celeron 900mhz and integrated graphic card with only 8mb vram, had those later stages made my old PC chugged so hard. Thanks for doing the episode, I really enjoy it! MP2 comparison for the next episode?
@igorthelight
@igorthelight 11 ай бұрын
I think, later stages are just even more cutted than the early ones ;-)
@Extreme96PL
@Extreme96PL 11 ай бұрын
This is my favorite game from trilogy and i think gameplay aged well its still fun to play, story and atmosphere is great and community is doing everything to keep this game alife with all fixes they made already to play this game fine on modern hardware.
@Ghorun
@Ghorun 11 ай бұрын
Played this on a Pentium II 400 Mhz with a Riva TNT 16 MB, back in the day. While the early game was ok, later on it struggled. I remember going up the staircase in the end building, and the framerate tanking as soon as the view was towards the outside.
@GeneralMcNuggs
@GeneralMcNuggs 11 ай бұрын
That restaurant fire level on the PS2 was brutal back in the day when you were just figuring out what to do.
@vincentwarte4435
@vincentwarte4435 11 ай бұрын
I have been playing through that game for over 20 years for at least once a year, almost always during the Christmas season. I know every inch of every texture by now. And then it was a rhetorical question.
@zezizezseze7544
@zezizezseze7544 11 ай бұрын
Love the two first Max Paynes games.Played them on my og xbox at the time and the ports were a lot better on it,not as good as pc versions better than ps2 versions.Also had quick saves during gameplay.Hope the remakes are done well.
@babblebabble
@babblebabble 11 ай бұрын
Can't wait for the remakes!
@candycabngfl
@candycabngfl 10 ай бұрын
I would rather see a straight comparison with no upscaling etc on the console side. The fun part of these videos are the way this stuff actually differed at the time especially with the different hardware quirks from one console to the next. That said still enjoyed the video and appreciate you guys taking the time.
@Kontekst
@Kontekst 10 ай бұрын
what a timing. i've just replayed Max Payne 1 and 2 since I've never played it at 1080p highest settings and skipped most graphic novels and cut scenes as a young teen. what a wonderful experience, still one of my favorite games after all this time. during the time i didnt have a PC, i tried the PS2 version on PS4 and it was locked to 30 FPS and even dipped below many times, it ruined my nostalgic memories. i first played it on the original xbox and i dont remember it running so sluggish. PC version is the best version to play it BY FAR even though both 1 and 2 used to just run on Windows XP, i had to look for some mods for MP1 because the sound was messed up and it wouldnt run at 1080p, MP2 was a little bit easier to get running properly but it was stressing my GPU out because it would run at unlimited FPS no matter how i tried to restrict it until i installed the widescreen patch.
@timkasansky2528
@timkasansky2528 11 ай бұрын
i used to run this game on a Celeron 500MHz, with 96mb coupled with a Geforce 2 MX400 on a PCI slot. Probably on 640x480 but the settings weren't too low, it still looked great and much better than this PS2 version.
@gamewizard5158
@gamewizard5158 11 ай бұрын
Payne to the max.... settings!
@greendude0420
@greendude0420 11 ай бұрын
Loved the advertising you did for the gamer cube at the o2 arena, I'll be giving that 100 inch oled a try here at some point Tom lol.
@jjforcebreaker
@jjforcebreaker 11 ай бұрын
Pretty rough in places, but still mostly fairly close. Can't wait to see MP2 comparison! That game holds up really well on PC, when playing in modern rez.
@nathane5287
@nathane5287 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for another fun chaotic blind dual playthrough look of an absolute classic, loved MP1&2 growing up (do max payne 2 yes)
@dasnutnock6408
@dasnutnock6408 11 ай бұрын
Still the first game I install when I build a new PC.
@tommyaki
@tommyaki 11 ай бұрын
I remember seeing trailers of this, reading articles in magazines, saving up all summer to buy it on cd. I was blown away with the gfx, i remember being facinated by the characters having individual fingers instead of one block being the hand. That was state of the art. Think i was 15, now im 37. Time goes by fast. And oh! The main theme "poets of the fall - late goodbye". Ah the memories!
@finraziel
@finraziel 11 ай бұрын
Oh man, I loved this game so much... Played it on a laptop with a 2.4 GHz P4 desktop CPU and a Radeon 9000 mobility... Ran really well as far as I remember. Worked a Helpdesk job at the time with lots of weekend and evening shifts where we'd just be sitting around in case someone called, me playing Max Payne on that laptop and a colleague watching over my shoulder... Good times :)
@Kenjitsuka
@Kenjitsuka 11 ай бұрын
Ahhhh, good old Max! I 'member being blown away by the demo on my PC!!!
@smichal52
@smichal52 11 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure I played this game on a Celeron 433mhz with a voodoo 3 back in the day, and I remember it playing perfectly. I'm very surprised to hear you say that it struggles on a p4. Maybe it has something to do with the OS? I was using Windows 98 at the time
@ShadowsThe1
@ShadowsThe1 10 ай бұрын
I had no problem with 1GHz P3 and Voodoo 3. Ofc not crazy settings but worked fine and looked really good for the time. Can't test it anymore though as that Voodoo 3's one memory chip is dead :(
@canorhon7318
@canorhon7318 11 ай бұрын
I remember playing this game on my overclocked p3 866@975 with a voodoo 5 5500…
@bryo4321
@bryo4321 11 ай бұрын
DF retro videos rule. Keep ‘em coming guys!
@Divector8
@Divector8 11 ай бұрын
I would love to watch a video about Max Payne 2 on PS2.
@v1kt0u5
@v1kt0u5 11 ай бұрын
Nice comparison! You should have included the Xbox too 😮‍💨
@UltraCasualPenguin
@UltraCasualPenguin 11 ай бұрын
That optional area with long hallway isn't available in Xbox version either. Xbox version doesn't have manual saves but it does have quick saves.
@birdman4birdlegs
@birdman4birdlegs 11 ай бұрын
This video couldn't be more perfect for timing. I played Max Payne 2 at least 10 times and played through 3 a couple of times, but I never stuck it out to finish the original. I've been kicking back on a couch and playing it through pcsx2 :)
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