The biggest problem with dragon ball fans is they continue (and for years now) believe that Goku is the only character that can get stronger. And that characters like Beerus are at a stand still power-wise. Did Frieza's ability to train and get stronger, not teach anything?

I think the most Toriyama explanation for Beerus getting stronger is that he is training while he sleeps

I mean, it's not really illogical for Beerus to be that strong, if you think about it. One thing to keep in mind is that Beerus is *ridiculously* ancient. He's a 200 million year old GoD who has been training with the most powerful being in U7 for much of his life-span, is significantly proficient in both UI and UE (UE in particular), and he has two comparatively powerful rivals in Champa and Quitela that he aims to keep up with. The guy is so old that multiple decades is a literal cat-nap to him, so imagine how many years of effort he puts in when he's training his ass off to make sure he remains one of the strongest GoDs in the cosmos. Hundreds of millennia worth of training probably feels like a couple of weeks to him. Frieza's rate-of-growth might be insane, but ten years of training is still comparatively nothing to someone as long-lived as Beerus.

I think an alternative theory that may explain everything is that Whis is using Goku (and Vegeta) to motivate Beerus to stay at the top of his game; to stop slacking and to continue to improve to stay ahead of Goku.

It makes perfect sense for Beerus to be really, really up the ladder. Given the escalation of power, the universe would be massive trouble if someone evil managed to defeat a god of destruction with no one alive to able to defeat such individuals

The 6, 10, 15 power scale could be exponential like the Richter scale

He will be stronger than goku untill the writers say otherwise 😂

I imagine it's a similar situation to Frieza in dbz where Beerus has to always restrict his power otherwise he'll risk destroying everything around him. Beerus in base form can already destroy a universe with his pinky finger alone so imagine what his true power would be like.

An in universe explanation as to why the goal post keeps moving might be him training off screen.

People also seem to forget that at one point beerus mentioned that in order to neutralise the stalemate between himself and goku in space he says to goku that it required a 100% power up to neutralise. To me that says alot that actually beerus full power was required to not only neutralise the shockwave’s of their attacks, but if goku fully mastered and was competent in the god form at that point i truly think beerus would of had to go to town on goku to beat his ass down.

Beerus will eventually show a combined use of mastered ultra instinct/mastered ultra ego used simultaneously. A feat truly befitting a true god of destruction.

The fact that black frieza isn't above beerus is the one thing that gets me, gave goku and vegeta the business AT THE SAME TIME, one shot, at the same time

Hope you enjoying the birthday weekend so far. Appreciate you still dropping some content for us to enjoy in the community.

They could easily explain away the whole 70% of Beerus’ power thing by just saying Whis was fibbing to inspire Goku to train.

Happy birthday danny. Great video like always 💪🏾💯 keep it up😂

Where it gets interesting is that if and when we get an anime adaptation of Moro, Granola, Super Hero expanded, and beyond what they do. My assumption is that they will ignore all previous anime statements and follow the manga’s scaling. I the literal stories would not make sense otherwise.

I remember beerus fighting his brother in the anime and destroying a bunch of crap And that being said he hasn't completed a transformation meaning he's not a moving goal Post. He still has potential to grow naturally, just like all of our other characters.

I just hope who ever is next in charge of Dragon ball doesn't disrespect the work and doesn't change the story line of Dragon ball or what Akira toriyama was doing.

Soo limitless to the point the goal posts keeps moving up because there's no way in hell you're trying to tell me that black frieza is still far below him smfh 🤦

"Mortals should never surpass gods". That is something Zamasu would say

Who’s to say that Beerus isn’t training off screen with Whis, and his race grows in strength faster than any other?

Wanna know how you can make the BOG scale work? Make it just like the Richter scale where every number you go up is 10x stronger than the prior number.

I like how whis states specifically “A GOD OF DESTRUCTION.” He never says Gods of destruction or the destroyers. So my take is that jiren is just the benchmark for the universes standard or peak during the TOP. I think beerus would still wash him.

Beerus being stronger is not bizare. He is the strongest God of Destruction, Jiren being stronger than his GOD Belmod do not mean that he his stronger than every GOD since they don't have all the same level. Also, when Beerus was training Vegeta to learn Akkai he told him that vegeta was still million years from being able reach his power. Maybe Beerus exist since extremely long time and trained so much that not even a Genius like Frieza can reach all his years of Training in just 10 years.

I think Beerus has nearly limitless power due to the Hakai technique. He explained to Vegeta that destruction, even on a small scale, releases a lot of energy. This could allow him to potentially convert all the total energy contained in his respective universe into personal power. His ability to destroy is literally what fules him. He could have been using 70% of his current STORED energy to fight Goku while not even flexing his true potential. Especially after all the napping and resting he does. He's kinda lazy so he's just running the universe on a quarter tank of gas sometimes.

His power may be limitless but his skills aren’t. The fact that he hasn’t mastered ultra instinct will play a major role in his development going ahead. Mark my words.

Two things about the anime Tournament of Power: 1. Beerus's unease is likely him thinking about his survival rather than his own strength. If his own fighters don't match up to Jiren, Universe 7 is toast 2. I remember Whis saying something to the effect that even Beerus has difficulty mastering UI. So, regardless of strength, Goku is knocking on Beerus's door when it comes to technique. The stronger Beerus is, the less sense Battle Of Gods makes in retrospect. It more and more seems that the red haired SSG shouldn't have been a blip on his radar.

These transformations are literally multipliers. That statement alone disproves the whole 6, 10, 15 comparison. Previous multipliers have been as large as 40x canonically, I can’t even begin to fathom the depth of these current gen transformations.

Funny thing is, I think the anime actually stayed consistent with Beerus's power, while the manga kept upscaling and retconing him.

One of the defining moments that you failed to mention that illustrates Beerus' unrealistic strength is when he dawg walked Vegeta Blue. That was when I gave up and realized that his strength will just continue fluctuating.

Still remember when he was called Bills. Time flies.

People act like nobody except the saiyans can get stronger with time.

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this was a very well put together video, thank you GeekDom

"My mind is always on destruction so my power is limitless" this is literally what beerus told vegeta at the start of granola arc.

I think a good work around to this would be if it gets revealed that Beerus both as a G.O.D and his Species in general. Gets stronger every time he naps. I would actually be pretty OK with that

I still want a movie dedicated to the origins of beerus. I can only dream of this happening.

I think “Innate Ultra Instinct” would be a cool name for Goku having UI in his natural state.

I think when Beerus reacting to jiren his nervousness was due to the fact that they could've lost and been erased if he kept getting stronger.

It's never going to happen. Why can't people fathom this?

Ubiquitous instinct would be a dope name for the state of Angels mastery of it ngl, great vid 👍

Salad Saiyan I think recently did this topic, noting that if you seperate anime, manga and BoG movie each continuity is pretty consistent. It's worth a watch even if you don't agree. Anyhow to reiterate, I rationalize this as Beerus still not using True Ultra Ego. So Freeza and Goku may be as strong/stronger as non-UE Beerus. Considering the crazy boost it gives Vegeta it will boost Beerus to incomprehensible levels.

They write Beerus like Yujiro Hanma. As new fighters come and main characters keep getting stronger so does he by an extreme amount

This has been a big issue that I've had with Super lately. I feel like they need to steer away from power ups for a bit. They just keep raising the bar. They are already at universal god tier power levels. It makes it hard to keep coming up with new villains when our heroes are basically gods. That and it feels super cheap to me when they power up the other heroes like Piccolo and Gohan to be close to Goku and Vegeta. I'm not a big fan of Gohan's beast form because it feels so unearned. I get that Gohan has potential to be stronger than Goku but come on... Gohan went from Buu saga strength to God tier Ultra Instinct level strength in 1 movie. The power scaling has gotten too all over the place for me lately.

The only way that the moving goal post that is Beerus can possibly still be stronger than Black Frieza is if Beerus is training off screen in secret so as to not get surpassed.

It does make sense if beerus has been training. Also beerus said "My mind is always on destruction. That's why their no limit to my power" so it's basically like he has and endless well he can tap into when needed

Why didn't you mention the OG goal post? The farmer with a shotgun!

The story is over if they write Goku as the strongest ever. To keep things interesting, there always needs to be a goal to reach.

Another great Video By Big D

Beerus is a moving goalpost, and there's no denying it. Even in the manga though for some reason people like to pretend that he isn't there.

Toriyama had said back in 2015 that he had no plans on Goku and Vegeta surpassing Beerus, but he should've made that happen at some point, because yeah, the more Super goes on and Goku gets stronger, the more stupid that 70% number was said. This should've came to a close in the Moro arc. I mean, why was Beerus even interested in a SSJ God anyway, looking back on it now? The only way to fix this is to say Beerus isn't coming out about them surpassing him, so they won't lose their motivation to train or Beerus has been secretly training.

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Beerus training off screen is the only way this makes any sense.

This is probably me grasping at straws here too but honestly even though we haven't really seen it I'm sure beerus is training in the background. Especially after the tournament of power and watching goku, a mortal, attain the power of UI.

My headcanon is that every time Goku or Vegeta does something extraordinary in the climax of an arc. Beerus just secretly trains at the end, and in the begining of the next arc just continues to flaunt his superiority. For one reason Beerus is still prideful, he doesn't want to be surpassed that easily despite admiring the growth Goku and Vegeta have made. But also could be motivation for the Saiyans part. Kind of like what he did with Monaka to keep up their motivation, if they believe they don't have much of a goal to reach maybe they'll slow down if they realized they surpassed Beerus. Also it could make a fun gag for Whis to call Beerus out on that his 'Nap Time' really was his training time. Like I don't whole heartedly believe that, but I could easily see it being played off as a gag if true.

The story would make more sense if they never gave goku ui early. The pride troopers were good guys and should have probably just won and wished everyone back. Jiren could have been like a fun movie fight vs broly as a nice return in the future.

a good panel from the manga is in the moro arc. before beerus got summoned away he said he was going to take care of moro quickly and seemed but worried at all

I think in actuality Goku did surpass beerus in top arc when he got mui and it's simply because of the way beerus reacted. He was genuinely scared and fearful and knew himself that goku surpassed him but the writers have now changed it to the never ending goal post and changed the truth to make beerus stronger

They'll just use the Frieza trope--"no one knew it but Whis but Beerus was training all along".

BEERUS IS A GOD OF DESTRUCTION! A literal GOD. Goku doesn’t need to/or should surpass him because some powers should be immeasurable and just unattainable. Goku has grown tremendously and Beerus has given Goku reason to keep pushing his limits because there are many other universes and powers far beyond his. Beerus and the GoDs of destruction should be overpowered because they are what maintains the balance in their universes, they alone should have no equal because otherwise Gods of destruction would have no purpose if they can’t be the ones to shut down potential threats to their universe. People need to let beerus rule and Goku take a back seat to the king.

Beerus' power is so limitless, they have the writers moving the goalpost so he'll always be stronger than Goku.

I can honestly see Beerus training in secret that’s why it seems like no matter how many forms Goku gets Beerus seems to keep being a moving goal post Training in secret makes sense for Beerus since he’s too prideful to admit when someone is stronger than him or approaching his level. He will never admit that he’s been training to stay on top of Goku outright bc admitting that would be indirectly admitting that Goku is approaching his level/surpassing him Beerus “True” strength is still unknown bc yeah Jiren was stated to be the mortal who surpassed the Gods and MUI Goku was stronger than him but that doesn’t mean they’re stronger than Beerus. Beerus seems to be in a tier of his own, not on the level of angels but above his fellow G.O.D’s. Honestly if they were going to continue to have him in the story they should’ve just let his true power be vague instead of giving us the number chart and stuff

TBH I think when it was stated “in the Anime” that Jiren is stronger than a G.O.D! I think they were REALLY TALKING ABOUT TOPPO! (In my opinion!) which also makes sense because it was made clear toppo was training for awhile to be the next G.O.D! & even TOPPO told Goku After the Pre-T.O.P Exhibition That he couldn’t beat Jiren! < Hense maybe the other Universes & even whis got word of this! Idk just a thought I’ve had for a while! Only thing that seems logical •Also Let Me Add• Even Vegeta SSBlue Evolution Defeated Toppo “In God of Destruction form!” Lol So Does this Also Make him a Mortal that Even A Universe’s God Of Destruction Cannot Defeat???🤷🏽‍♂️ therefore Both Really Vegeta & Goku “Obviously” & “Especially At that time!” Goku with Mastered Ultra Instinct or just U.i. Was Stronger than Toppo in his God Form! So this technically means “heck” I think Even Golden Frieza because even Frieza When it was just 17! Goku & Him left! For a sec Frieza was holding his own Against Jiren! Even tho Jiren was kinda Mentally jacked up from “loosing to Goku” Before Toppo’s little motivational speech! But Jiren still was stronger than Toppo Regardless at this point in the fight!! But Anywho… I’m Ranting & yess I know Toppo Realistically in GOD form would Punish Golden Frieza lol “At the time!” But for sure we can say for certain! Goku & Vegeta are stronger than a Universe’s God of Destruction!!! Sooo… That whole Jiren line is kinda like… ehhh🤷🏽‍♂️

idc if it's a hot take, I want beerus to actually be a shifting goal post. Goku and vegeta barely got a hold of god ki and have handled the power superbly however I like the fact that beerus as of right now is a shifting goal post and I wouldn't complain if goku and vegeta went for a rematch and either lose or barely scrape by and win either way beerus is one of my fav DB characters so I hope he stays strong and relevant for a while longer.

I remember over a decade when Battle of Gods was released. It always bothered me how Super Saiyan God never got the job done against beerus little do we know that it wasnt the problem due to them making Beerus a goalpost and raising his power to unknown bounds. No complaints just pointing out we might be getting closer to beerus getting surpassed soon especially with Black Frieza's debut

We live in an era in which Saitama is actually pushed to break his limit, whereas Beerus likely one taps Frieza still.

The goal post seems to keep moving because the writers are indecisive on how strong Beerus should be for the storyline! The same goes for all the characters in super, the power levels just do not match up to how strong they actually should be! Basically what geekdom said. Goku and Vegeta now with their ultra forms should be on par with Beerus; Weiss states that beerus never master UI, but again this has probably been retconned.

I sometimes think he'll never be surpassed. Although I tend to ignore "Official" statements about X character's power made by marketing-minded individuals because they're just trying to drum up hype. I suppose if the old 6 - 10 - 15 scale were converted to a tier system, it might still be applicable, though its a stretch.

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At this point I just like to think that the manga and anime have separate parallel timelines lol, movies too.

Question do you you think Goku's from other continues has surpassed Berus like DB Heroes Super Goku who had trained with the Great Priest/Xeno Goku, or Other Gokus from maybe the games?

I think they made only mistake is by giving that 70% line in movie. But We will get all the answers regarding beerus's full power as there is only 1 year left in super and end of Z and I think they will answer all question in black frieza arc of dragon ball super.

I have always seen it as Beerus constantly being surprised at the pace they get stronger for being "mere mortals"

Vegeta and Goku we're wearing that armor during the Android Saga part of The Dragon Ball Series

16:33 OK at this point I have to keep you accurate it’s just a small point of wording. Whis actually said “I have heard of a universe that has produced immortal that surpasses his own destroyer.” so he at least surpasses Belmont.

The only changes that can be made to fix the scale is 1. Beers has a secret transformation, or 2. Beerus is still trading and getting stronger. At least with a transformation the 70% could just be 70% of his base.

Frieza wants to take Beerus out. Hence, Black Frieza. We are going to see Beerus’s power when Frieza shows up, guarantee it.

Ty Mr Geekdom

That dimension destroying shit drove me insane through out the rest of the series how it just disappeared 😭

( Disclaimer: I am NOT some diehard fan who has been a hardcore about the series since the early days. I didn't grow up with cable television or internet access as a kid so I got into Dragon Ball very late in my middle school years. But have read/watched all of OG Dragon Ball, DBZ/Kai, GT, Super, and most movies) Seeing Goku climb to new heights is always a hype factor. However I do feel that it would be cool if there are just some characters that Goku will never be able to surpass. Not only for the sake of variety and keeping things interesting, but it would also further prove the point of Master Roshi: "There's ALWAYS someone better then you." I really feel that Goku always trying to improve and striving to do better all the while never truly reaching Peak Perfection or reaching the absolute top 1% BEST would sort of be backwards for the character in a way. Sure, Goku would probably never stop training until the day he finally dies...err again. 😂 But having him reached the absolute pinnacle? I don't know it just feels like he would lose a purpose after that. ( Goku himself in terms of the writing not in terms of the character itself ) Sorry this is long, I just was trying to explain it as clearly as I could.

I've always felt that the gods of destruction are empowered by zeno to always have a power level equal to the total power level within their individual universe's so that they can always do their jobs if something/one needs destroyed.

Amazing video man! You hit a lot of great points that I've always believed to be true. The way Goku SSBK had Beerus slightly sweating and how all the g.o.ds stood up in honor of Goku who BEAT Jiren tells you he surpasses him. The manga is different though because even if Goku didnt beat Jiren in MUI, Goku grows even STONGER than Meerus, an angel apprentice. So even in the manga I believed Goku surpassed Beerus. I think it just happened later. Ultimately, this makes the Black Frieza scaling statement RIDICULOUS.

19:12 "big climax after lots of teasing" and you didn't even say pause 😂

I want to say that the writers are saving a crazy reveal that Beerus will use both ultra instinct and ego at the same time but still get shit stomped by whatever villain. At the end of the day, we can discuss all the lore we want. We and the characters are at the mercy of the writers.

Beerus gets that Frieza boost if he trains for an hour

He's pretty strong, but Mr. Popo could still teach him the pecking order.

Can’t remember so correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the dragon say to granola after his wish that he’s the strongest in the universe but less than the Gods?

I was thinking how amazing it is for the Super universe. Who would of thought 10 years ago when we thought it was all over. I did at least and was blown away when i found out.

Happy birthday king.

Everybody forgets that Goku has to "transform" or use "stamina" to achieve these these levels of power where beings like Beerus & Jiren just ARE that powerful, they don't have to do a lot "powering up" to max level like Frieza used to do toying with the Z-Fighters. There is no denying base Goku has gotten very strong, even stronger than he was but his base form isn't on Beerus or Jiren's power-technique level and he can't maintain a transformation forever so while some people may dispute Goku might be stronger than Beerus at Goku's peak, Goku simply cannot 'maintain' that peak level of power where Beerus and Jiren could with ease.

Why do some fans assume that if Goku and others can get stronger, that Beerus can't. Half of this video that discussed that assumption by fans, was unnecessary and pointless and could have been edited out. They seem to think Beerus is at some sort of max limit so it's a matter of others "catching up" to Beerus. In the Dragonball universe, that makes zero sense. As we saw with Jiren, getting stronger isn't limited to just punching or physical exertion. When at that high of a level, there's probably a limit to what physical exertion can do and mental and ki control are probably more important.

Beerus is as powerful as the plot makes him Goku was fighting on par with him since SSGod since then Goku achieved SSgodblue, stacked kaioken on top of SS godblue and Mastered UI and Beerus is still more powerful??

People, stop saying Goku hasn't seen Beerus at 100%!! The grand priest literally told everyone in the GOD match to go all out or DIE with Goku there to watch.

8:25 No, since the 6, 10, 15 scale was to compare them to each other, it makes the most sense (especially with Whis' claim that Beerus was using nearly 70% of his power) that Goku was at around 60% of Beerus' maximum. In which case, if we use that scale, Super Saiyan Blue puts Goku at 300 to Beerus' 10. He's 30 times stronger, comparatively. Of course, we know he's not, but this scale was meant as a direct and uncomplicated comparison back when Toriyama hadn't planned on anything more than that movie. It makes no sense to think of Super Saiyan Blue as bringing Goku up to 6.5, comparatively. The numbers were not intended as vast thresholds of power, it was intended as direct power scaling to compare them relative to each other. They are not power levels themselves as you can't use them to determine how powerful they actually are, but they are representing power levels relative to each other. Anything else is BS that people make up in order to hold onto them and keep them true. They are not true. Throw those numbers out. 10:38 In theory, if we're using BASIC logic, Goku would not be at a 12 because, again, using BASIC logic, the 6, 10, 15 power scale was relative power to each other, putting Goku at 60% of Beerus. So, using BASIC logic, SS Blue Kaioken Goku, assuming he didn't gain any more strength in base, would now be at least 600 and, if it's x20 kaioken, he would be at 6,000. Again, throw out that 6. 10, 15 scale. It's not relevant anymore, hasn't been for a long time. Stop trying to save it. It was never meant to be used the way you're trying to use it. They are not orders of magnitude or anything else like that, it's a direct power comparison that only applied until they decided to make more and needed Beerus to still be stronger. 10:53 Thank you! Yes, that power scale stopped applying when the story left Battle of Gods. If even your attempts to make it into what it isn't are starting to break down, can we also agree that it never scaled the way you were stating here in the first place, now that it has become useless? I mean, to be fair, you can probably still use it to compare Beerus to Whis, but not to compare either of them to Goku. 11:04 We don't need exact numbers because they are percentages. They are exact numbers to each other. In any case, exact numbers of what? Consider actual power levels. Take that farmer who had a power level of 5. 5 what? What does that 5 represent? What does a power level of 1 represent? The turtle had a power level of 0.001. What is it tracking? It's as exact as the 6, 10, 15 scale. These numbers, in both cases, are only used to compare characters to each other in terms of power. They don't actually measure anything else beyond that. So, in truth, Kaioken can be used with those numbers. I proved it a couple paragraphs ago. The only way we could even hope to hold onto that 6, 10, 15 scale is if Beerus can use Ultra Instict in the basic form, and that 10 is only his base power's maximum. We don't know what kind of multiplier Ultra Instinct gives you, after all. 16:05 It's pretty clear what they meant. It certainly doesn't mean that only some of the gods of destruction can't beat him, because they would have said that. They said not even a god of destruction can beat him. Now, the gods of destruction clearly have no set level of power, but they all seem to be stronger than most mortals, so they definitely have a bare minimum power qualification, but beyond that they seem to be at different levels from each other, possibly with Beerus as one of, if not the, strongest. We didn't know this at the time, but it is possible for mortals to beat destruction energy as Vegeta proved, and Vegeta managed to beat Topo after Topo was granted the power of a god of destruction. So you could say that the tournament gave birth to at least two more mortals who gods of destruction cannot beat. Regardless, what they mean is that his power is such that he can at least hold his own against any one god of destruction without falling and he cannot be destroyed by destruction energy. Possibly Beerus can still beat him with his Ultra Instinct power. 19:31 We can still accept this scene as Beerus being shocked (and probably a little intimidated) that a mortal possesses so much power, but not scared yet. It would be like if you were to see a kid lifting more than adults could lift, but you are a world class body builder. You would be shocked at the kid's current strength, maybe scared to think of what might be possible with this kid in the future, but you can still win against him right now. 20:01 Exactly. 20:38 At this point? You're funny. 21:00 Probably, but since Beerus also knows a basic form of Ultra Instinct, it could be possible that Beerus can still beat Goku if he uses that. We're talking about Goku using this power from his starting point Vs. Beerus using it from his own starting point. Even if we have no idea how much power this from grants them, we can assume that it gives them a similar power boost to where they're currently at. So, if Goku using his basic Ultra Instinct without the silver hair is still weaker than Beerus, then it would take his completed Ultra Instict to push Beerus to his basic Ultra Instinct form, and he'd be massively stronger than Goku again. Beerus would still be shook by Goku's power and showing respect toward him, but math doesn't lie. He'd still be stronger than Goku. However, this would be the kind of jump in power for Goku that would make Beerus genuinely worry because, given what Goku has accomplished so far, it doesn't take much imagination to see that Goku is only one breakthrough away from overpowering Beerus at this point, and Beerus would know that. If Goku is able to combine Kaioken or Super Saiyan or even God Ki with Ultra Instinct, then it's over for Beerus, or even if he finds a higher level of Ultra Instinct as Whis talks about. 23:35 Right there. Now it can be logically argued that Goku is as strong as or stronger than beerus. 24:25 Well, of course they're not planning this out. That much was obvious from the very beginning of Dragon Ball. 24:38 I don't think the power of Ultra Instinct has been retconned at all. Goku just keeps getting stronger and fighting stronger opponents. The story is what is getting retconned. 25:03 Okay, if Black Freeza is stronger than True Ultra Instinct Goku, but still weaker than Beerus, then that pushes Beerus up even higher in power than previously thought. However, if the statement is that he's still not as strong as a god of destruction, then that's a different story. That retcons Jiren as being stronger than gods of destruction and turns that whole thing into the 6, 10, 15 power scale, something that we should ignore and throw out. Just Beerus being stronger still is acceptable, though. 25:51 I will agree to that. If Goku didn't surpass Jiren in the manga, and we all agree that maybe Beerus was the one god of destruction who was still stronger than Jiren, then we can more easily see how beerus can be stronger than Black Freeza in the manga and not retcon anything. 27:43 Even if we put Beerus as using only 10% of his power against God Goku in Battle of Gods, it still would mean that Goku easily surpassed Beerus' best a long time ago when he learned SS Blue, and any Ultra Instinct that Beerus had shortly after with Kaioken or his own Ultra Instinct. Let's stop referring to that 6, 10, 15 power scale, please. Once again, it stopped applying once they went past Battle of Gods. Here's a wild thought, though. Suppose Beerus is also getting stronger? Maybe not as fast as Goku is, but if he's getting stronger still, that might handle the moving goalpost thing as long as we accept that he started off a lot stronger than originally stated.

I don’t think the other Gods of Destruction train since there’s no mortals near their power levels. Beerus is an anomaly because he has multiple mortals in his universe that are near his power. He also still trains so he continues to get stronger as well. For all we know a God of Destruction might get stronger as their mortal level increases and that’s why they destroy weaker planets. As long as Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, etc get stronger, Beerus power will increase as well making him near impossible to surpass. And this might be why Beerus is pushing them to be stronger than him, cause he knows it won’t happen but it’ll only make him stronger as a result.

At 14:32 of this video I noticed that Beerus has six (6) fingers! Oh, the artists back then didn’t pay attention to that detail. 😂🤣

folks really don't think he's still training and getting stronger.. just like the saiyans. He has never been stated to have any limits, and his potential can be even better than Friezas whi knows. He has whis as his personal attendant and can be trained at a much gnarlier rate than the mortals.

My pov, that 70% is not the amount he was using throughout the fight. In the fight, beerus agrees that he powered up to nullify the energy ball that would have destroyed earth and few planets. But then he went back and was using normal level to fight equally with goku

Love your videos. Hot take: goku was 6-7 & beerus was a 10 so ssb goku with the 50x powerup makes him 30-35 times stronger than beerus. Anything else is cap

Doesn't Whis have his staff that has a pocket dimension room of spirit and time from the anime? Is that where Beerus goes to train perhaps? all fluff but i think people forget about that pocket dimension.