@Lakers fan how many cars do you think he can lift now

I want to be as strong as Yamcha irl nothing too serious ya know.

Faster than lighting

Planet level

Saw some interesting claims in comments. I put kid goku at city level. Teen goku is island level to perhaps moon at end of z

I got the reference😂😂

I don’t, but holy fuck. As a dragon ball fan, the phrase ‘so strong’ has been overused so much that it’s such a generic way to describes these GODLY characters. Lmao

David Pottinger it’s actually a reference to an Adam Sandler movie the Longest Yard.

Markydan 123 Gotcha, that’s cool. I’m not even on your case. I just found that funny.

Hes so fast, he makes fast people not look so fast.

Correct. Beerus while disguised was Excited Fighting Base Goku.. Beerus in past was not even impressed with SS3 Goku.

Matt Pac exactly Whis said Beerus was itching for a fight

@@terrancebolin600 In Battle of Gods...Goku's Super Saiyan God form goes away...yet he is able to fight in base form..it's that after Super Saiyan God form he has a cellular level change in his body...

Danny Benhur yeh his base is like ssg sorbets ray gun is stronger tho

@@terrancebolin600 theres a bunch of blind mfs in the dragon ball community.

@Moon You don't get the joke.

This... Curse... Is holding... Our heroes... Back!

That video ended her KZfaq channel lol🤣

Im out the loop. What happened .Lol Who's career ended

@@guacman88 ItsAnimeGirl, self-entitled BS spreading former KZfaqr, who always was coming with most crazy ideas in her titles of videos, and were well know to never even scratch surface of topic in the very same video. Just approximately 10 - 20min talking about nothing. Don't remember, who exactly exterminated this painful pimple out of KZfaq, but I think she went all in onto Geekdom.

Yes

Nah that’s vegeta’s job

@@samuraisouljones6295 Nah. definitely Goku. Sorry bruh

@@naruto123407 Nah. Definitely Yamcha. Sorry bruh.

@John N. Nah, definitely chiaotzu. Sorry bruh

Oof

You need to keep doing it that's the whole point your toe is probably Yamcha level

23 Jordan That’s still pretty strong

max marrero wrong because it’s official that gokus base form is 100 trillion and in battle of gods he was fighting beerus that has a power level of way Over 3 million so stop acting like it’s 3 million and get a brain and also don’t say things you think is true and has no proof

100 trillion in base form...That Done

He can't, it's not that simple

@@marsinsesay1538 besides Jiren and Toppo, goku was the strongest guy there

Why would he do that? that literally goes agaisnt everything Goku likes, which is fighting and having a good time even when your enemy isn't strong enouh, that's why you see him supressed the WHOLE tournament before the Jiren fight

@@lordkai59 and Vegeta...lol

Phoebe you’re actually right about but considering the stakes involved, we should have seen a crazy 1 shotting saiyan god running rampage through the fodder in that tournament

because all other transformations are only multiplier Nothing more, so the base form is everything

@@WhisDragonBallSuper yeah I know but this video never even mentions that fact. No point even speculating about anything since whis made it obvious. Plus it's been well known that saiyans get stronger the longer a battle drags on.

I'm a bit late but the Oracle fish said why are they training in their base form whis said I'm not sure i didn't say they couldn't train in any other form

UI Omen level in Base, crazy

yes

Well Seth the programmer forgot Battle of Gods Saga Confirming Base Goku before SSG Ritual is weaker then Namek 100% Frieza.

@@elpopman2055 That's a contradiction (Toriyama lol), because Pui Pui and Yakon were both stronger than Z Freeza yet both were beaten by Base Saiyans.

@@lukejones7164 there's no indication of them being stronger than Frieza. Lol Pui Pui. There is No Indication Of Him Being On Frieza Level.. Anime? Keep in mind Kid Buu in the manga is over 100 times weaker than base Super Buu. But Kid Buu in Anime is stronger then Base Super Buu. But Weaker then Buutenks. There is No Contradiction. Battle of Gods Saga Takes After The Manga... Not The Anime. spy people thinking they know better Dragon Ball Z Kai is not 100% faithful to the manga

@Martin Ramirez who the hells that?

@Martin Ramirez I don't believe you

@Martin Ramirez sounds like personal biaist to me

@Martin Ramirez Nani??

@Martin Ramirez wow you are hilarious you must be a comedian. Dude doesn't upload enough to be taken as a credible source like daddy seth😂

Awesome game,one of the bests sonic games

@@risingmoonutopiabeyond1458 Hell yea, I actually just finished the Hero story. Gonna eat then start up the Dark Story.

Glad someone else still appreciates the old games lol

Power scaling is trash period they are trying you justify and make bs make since when it doesent.

khalil williams What?

Anti power scalers are just like anti storytelling people. They both say that don't matter just enjoy the show.

Why exactly is it illogical? It's just as fine to enjoy an anime at face value as it is to debate about every nook and cranny of every anime.

@Martin Ramirez But it's unwarranted, he's responding to no one. In this context he is the people complaining about something that could just be ignored.

Especially how as an individual you can choose to ignore power level discussion, such a stupid thing to say

@Xavier Thomas Bad power scaling does not ruin an anime, but Super's comes pretty close.

Todd Gobel this what?

@@vbr2 lmao

@@NinjaSanji I think with how its put out without actually clearly taking some time to think most people just completely overlook those concepts. Its something I always knew and when people wanted to especially put other characters against another character I usually won most of those arguments because I understood the concepts. Someone like saitama maybe be strong but he only appears super powerful because it seems his control is pretty minimal compared to other characters. That and most of his enemies are well pretty weak. Which is what I mean as well people want to take feats for an argument and while that's not a bad idea. You need to remember how the scaling works and how characters have to control themselves so they don't eradicated everything. Saitama is seen not really caring or trying overly hard and is very laid back. So he doesn't really hold back all that much even if it looks like it. Well a different character like goku is clearly able to destroy universes he doesn't. He is holding back and so are his enemies in a sense or focusing that force somewhere else so everything isn't eradicated. Other characters follow this as well and I just used saitama because he is easy to talk about and goku because of the video we are on. I could go with more obscure characters but what would be the point. These arguments are sort of dumb as you can never really say unless its that obvious or the creators actually come out and say something or do cross overs and admit that its considered cannon in some way etc.

SPUTNIKV concepte duh 😂

dh3 Yeah

Kyle Aaron I love it when goku in his base form kinda did better against Broly then vegeta did in his ssjg form

Gohan did mention that he wants to train to find out the real potential of a saiyan that doesn't power up to ssj and beyond.

@@Dallen12378 I see super saiyan god as a base form actually. It shouldn't be called super saiyan god, it should be called "god saiyan" because that is what it is. It's pretty much Goku's base form when he utilizes all of his god ki

@@blueicydasani4543I agree, that makes Super Saiyan blue Super Saiyan God instead

Yeah I mean he basically trolled Cell and Frieza in Hell too. That really put things in perspective.

Yea cause GT Goku is wiser

Are you talking about at the end of the series when he was holding the Universal Spirit Bomb? If so, that wasn't base Goku.

@@benji417 He was in base, though there's speculation he was dead or something and temporarily got revived for that moment. But that's a different topic all together.

Where I come from we call it what it is:PIS,OUTLIER,BAD WRITING

Rodney Gibson that shit was so annoying

Lmao that sound that is going off is my alarm 😂

@@albertreyes3812 i didnt hear it when

I thought it was my phone 😂

That ringtone sounds good tho. Didn't bother me at all.

Lightning Agreed

vegeta: *am i a joke to you?*

Actually, Goku said that the best sparring partner he could ever have was Gohan

@stans brother the op said that Android 17 should be Goku’s new sparring partner. I was just saying that Goku said that Gohan is actually the best sparring partner he could have. That’s all.

@@JeffMen103 Yea he said that, but we all know it isn't true. Vegeta is way stronger than Gohan

My cousin says saitama is a universe buster 😭

@@icecold2154 😭😭😭😭Damn.

@@icecold2154 that ain't your cousin 😭

luis joel yup

*rely

@Forever Zenith And Whis is excited by it Logic

When training...

Like gohan

oh my God dude, you have no idea that alarm gave me nightmares EVERY SINGLE MORNING.

LOL!

You can’t possibly be defending this shit😭😭

uncle ball they don't no logic whatsoever but it's dragon ball

Kaheim in what way do they have no logic

Dragon ball battles are unpredictable lol. Even when you include power scaling. That's what makes dragon ball intense.

it’s dragon ball no logic whatsoever

Jiren was probably extremly supressed to not kill. That might explain why UI punch hitted so hard on him when he got the form back

@@zacthesecretweapon9931 That might explain? I thought it was obvious smh

@@ryukishi07thecreator70 People seems to forget this, thats why i said this

I'm glad, people used to think I was wanking Goku couple years ago. Goku even by U6 could beat BOG SSJG Goku easily.

@@anond5754 Preach!

@@anond5754 maybe not pre-U6 Goku but definitely post U6 Goku. In fact Post-TOP Base Goku one shots SSB Kaioken times 10 Goku from U6 tournament.

@@PegasusTenma1 Ofc no doubt. He solos U6

promo yes

No

No

No

No

Power of the pen

And got one or 2 shot by copy vegeta.

That whole thing was a filler between two main arcs. Right after that on a main arc Goku had to go ssj2 against ssj2 Trunks, who was only regular ssj2. He also transformed against Zamasu, who was just a strong Kaioshin, regular ssj2 level is a strong Kaioshin. SSJ2 Trunks was also able to keep him at bay in the future timeline. In TOP those low level pride troopers that were handled by #18 (the heavy guy, the spinning guy and the woman) were beating both base goku and base U6 Saiyans. Goku was fighting those saiyans on the same transformation too meaning they are on a same plateu of strength even if Goku is somewhat stronger. Gohan’s base was relative to Goku’s base right after his small training, obviously not being god level either. SSG is also a separate transformation now too, which wasn’t the case in the anime at the beginning. None of the other old transformations were supposed to come back either according to Toriyama, but they brought them back later anyway. There are million other examples too, but here is just a handful. My point being, it is clear that the whole strong base form concept has been retconned long ago the first 2 arcs (and the filler copy vegeta saga). At the beginning the idea was completely different about how their power works: strong base form-> SSB as their new god ssj transformation. But they have turned it into the way the manga is doing the whole thing: no god ki absorption, regular mortal transformations from ssj1-3, and two god ki transformations of God and Blue. So many people are missing it which is crazy since the show would make literally 0 sense if the strong base forms would still be around. Here are again only a handful of examples out of million where the show would have 0 logic behind it if they had the strong base forms, but would make much more sense without them: Goku absorbed the god ki at the beginning of Super which made his base form very strong, and his ssj1 as strong as ssg was. Now all of a sudden he has the ability to transform SSG as well, which would mean he has the strong base form AND SSG on top of that? That is a power jump so so so high that someone would have definitely said something right? No, no one has addressed such power jump, ever. That would mean every weak fighter that Goku and anyone else is able to handle in their base forms, are all god level, which is questionalble since the tournament held fighters weak enough to be handled by Roshi too, and what was the point of Beerus’ vison if there is hundreds of fighters at god level everywhere lmao. That would also mean that #18 and Gohan’s base is also god level all of a sudden, and also Roshi was throwing fists at Goku to the point Goku was excited of a good fight. U6 Saiyans would be god level for no reason. Trunks, who had unlocked ssj2 and defeated freaking *Dabura* only a year prior to Black arriving, would have god base form all of a sudden without a Reason. And the list goes on. None of this makes sense at all yet people dont see the clear indication that the Anime has changed to the power system of the Manga, because it works miles better. Goku’s base form is definitely stronger than it was in the Buu saga, but he no longer has the ”stronger than Vegito” base form he had at the beginning of Super. There is just too much proof of that, and the manga has been doing it that way from the start. I can give a lot more examples too if there is some one sceptical about this which Im sure there will be a lot of you.

Grydon ! Bro Trunks also got stronger and GOKU WAS HOLDING BACK it is literally shown the next fight when he’s fighting Black who was stomping out Trunks prior. In the manga his base didn’t get the boost the anime did but that’s because he didn’t absorb SSG. Also for the power creep thing Goku is always suppressed against much weaker fighters that’s literally in his character since even OG DB also 18 got stronger since the Android arc but that’s irrelevant since most of it was Goku fucking around against Pride Troopers.

@@grydon6422 Copy Vegeta arc isn't filler rather you like it or not it was mentioned in the Goku Black arc

EezyBihh And? It’s not an arc Toriyama made an outline for. It’s not canon.

Broly rased on a hostile planet i agree

with enough time to fight, a blue broly could probably erase M.U.I goku

If you're talking about Broly before he went in his "great ape" form then I have to disagree. Vegeta in his base form was holding his own against Broly.

@@les61442 i agree

@@darthrevan454 im talking about if broly went blue but blue kioken x10 or 20 could deafet broly super saiyen since goku and vegeta blue at least survived broly's attacts

Even without prep Bruce would beat the sh*t outta galactus

Monae Lisa that a lie

wat

Is ssj3 gotenks above base goku black?

That argument doesn't really hold up at all. SSJ3 Gotenks is still not as strong as Zamasu in Goku's body, gotta remember this is still Goku's body he's in. And chances are he has gotten zenkai boosts from fighting Trunks.

Also base Goku fought against casual Beerus and is shown to be superior to final form Frieza (post-training). Yet his "anti-feats" like consistently get caught off guard and getting hurt by attacks/abilities that really shouldn't affect him does lead to "inconsistencies".

@@lynxfresh5214 see, the thing with him being caught of guard and hurt badly doesn't cause inconsistencies at all. In those cases, he let's his guard down and lowers his power, which causes him to be more susceptible to attacks (understandably so) that he would be able to easily swat aside if he was paying attention.

His bad showings are struggling with Basil and being weaker than Piccolo in the U6 arc. So there is some confusion regarding his strength.

What do you mean?

@@shadowassasin7312 I think he is saying this because of T.O.P

@The Psycho Jack yeah which is the case with saiyan beyond god

The thing is Saiyan's are biologically way more durable than humans (even without ki). Kid Goku got shot multiple times by teen Bulma yet the bullets left no visible damage and they were like bug bites to him yet adult Goku got visibly scratched by regular bullets in DBS... :/

He almost dies cuz some frieza henchman shot a tiny ass laser at him lol

That's part of it, but Goku's base form was also rapidly increasing in power throughout the tournament.

The point was he was fighting along side Android 17, who was fighting along side fatigued SSBE Vegeta and in and out of Kaioken SSB Goku in episode 127. Since 17 can't get weaker that means base Goku in episode 131 scales to 17, who is as I mentioned shown to be on that SSB tier just a few episodes prior.

No shit if you believe other wise y'all are accepting seth bullshit clearly jiren goku were tired and not a full power. They said . Goku when he was clearly tired fought along side 17 is the same strength smh how so that means frieza without golden form is as strong as 17 then because he fought along side them as well when we all know 17 would mop the floor with base frieza with the golden state you see how that makes no fuckin sense. Stop being fans of geekdom and seth and accepting whatever they say as fact. That like on team four star hercule was babbling bs and his fan said that makes sense just because they are fans

CoolBrIce Yeah, they didn't make sense there. Just because Androids do not get fatigued, doesn't mean they don't get weaker. They can still get wounded. That's the whole reason 18 chose to save 17 from getting ringed out in the first place. He was in better condition than her. I love Geekdom and Seth, but if they honestly believe that post MUI Goku surpasses SSBK20 then they're delusional.

@@khalilwilliams1818 it was shown that Goku and Vegeta got stronger throughout the top especially when ui got triggered. If base frieza is fight beside base Goku than that means base frieza and base Goku=17. 17 was pre to late top blue lvl before God toppo fight. They didn't stay the same power lvl and 17 doesn't constantly grow stronger like Goku, Vegeta, and frieza(with pis) so no pre top blue doesn't equal end to post top blue and golden frieza lvl. So your whole argument falls apart right there unless you can prove goku and frieza base forms didn't get stronger.

I always wondered to😂

Frieza’s nightmare.

Well if they were able to kill him before he transform they will win but if they didn't they will lose

But Super Broly & Z Broly movies would break bones.

@@75JUNAKI no cause Broly doesn’t have the experience, so clearly Jet Lee bodies

We all know Goku was just fucking with him tho

When doing analyzation in power scaling, u dont only look at the offensive character but also the receiving character. While Uub is doing pretty well fighting a base form Goku, we dont even know if Goku is fighting all-out in base. We didnt even see him powered up that raised his ki which amplify his fighting strength. Goku is clearly just playing with Uub back then. While Uub is very powerful, if Goku went serious.. Uub will not stand a chance against him.

@@DBFanPol Goku being in base form at all means he was holding back tho. One could argue how much or how little but I think the direction of the scene was to highlight how absurd it was that a kid was even keeping up with base Goku at all.

@@bapponoflacko Jiren, Anilaza, Toppo, Dyspo, Kefla, Cale, Ultimate Gohan, Android 17, Golden Frieza, Hit all can defeat base Goku wirh ease maybe even ssj 2 Cabba and ssj 2 Califla and Magetta could beat base Goku.

@@bapponoflacko excuse me I didnt understand you very well I Thougjt that you said that base Golu is stronger than all of the top participants except for JIren

Right I also thought it was common knowledge that Goku and Vegeta’s base forms were stronger at the end of the series than at the start. But apparently according to some their base forms don’t get any stronger when they train only their Super Saiyan forms do.

Thomas Travis but wasn’t it mentioned in a episode that training in Super Saiyan form was pointless? That they needed to train in base form to get stronger.

@@mikelang4853 Nah, training in Super Saiyan wasn't pointless. That was how Goku got so much stronger in the Cell saga if you remember. Him and Gohan trained in Super Saiyan until their bodies could handle the stress so well that they could stay in the form indefinitely. Training in transformations isn't pointless, they just have different focuses than training base form.

@@DarkCurow Nah Tory Yama Just Don't Want Draw Their Hair's

Austin J Where’s the reach? These are nerds that dive into power scaling much more than the creators. Doesn’t make them wrong, unless they contradict the series/creator.