The Problem with Coding and College
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Күн бұрынThings are changing! What are the factors to consider with regards to going to college to learn to code?
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@TheJacrespo 2 ай бұрын
Yep, youre right. For most coding jobs, just 'codemonkeying' code with some framework and high-level language to translate simple business rules, you don't need a college degree at all. The same goes for most web development; just JavaScript or PHP, some database ORM, and you're good to go. However, if the project is part of an engineering project which demands solid and deep knowledge of advanced mathematics, performant algorithms down to the very detail (for example, GPUs, AI accelerators, mapping traffic routes in real-time combining edge with central data computing where graph theory is a must, or automata parsers where category theory is again a must, etc.), yes, you need either a CS degree or the equivalent systematic knowledge in-depth of those disciplines. There are two different fields in the very same IT, like in most technical professions, hence the difference between technicians (coders) and engineers (metacoders).
@collinsa8909 15 күн бұрын
Or the equivalent systematic knowledge in-depth. That's the caveat. It means that there's a means to acquiring the requisite knowledge outside the typical route. Many recruiters don't acknowledge this
@mvbrown25 2 ай бұрын
Google was promoting an online learning platform. To quote a user on Reddit “I'm not a huge fan of university education but one thing it does teach you is the critical thinking to identify the difference between a meaningful statement on education and a press release promoting an online learning platform. Guess which one this is? 🤔”
@LeftoverSundriesMan 2 ай бұрын
For real, the guy is taking the criticism of the value of education for the purpose of plugging his own stuff too far.
@dad30189 2 ай бұрын
Several company recruiters on Reddit said the company has stopped accepting applicants without degrees due to the number of people applying for a position.
@MyBodyIsReggie1 2 ай бұрын
I'm not sure if I should take what some redditors say as an accurate representation of reality. On one hand you have extremely salty college degrees and delusional self-taughts chasing positions only at the fortune 500 or something, and then engaging in extreme levels of doom posting when things don't go their way. And on the other hand you have developers, analyst, etc. claiming to have had a much easier time finding a job once they stopped chasing jobs exclusively at tech companies. That website has a ton of conflicting information that should be taken for what it is.
@dad30189 2 ай бұрын
@@MyBodyIsReggie1 I agree, there is obviously no proof of them being a recruiter. However, I can see 1000+ applicants for a single position a nightmare to sort through.
@MyBodyIsReggie1 2 ай бұрын
@@dad30189Agreed, but for what I understand much of that work is already being filtered by A.I tools
@ultravioletiris6241 2 ай бұрын
@@MyBodyIsReggie1 People say that college sucks for learning to code. Others say its the shoddy bootcamps that do the most damage. And still others think that self-taught is a joke. You’re never going to please em all
@dindu42 2 ай бұрын
You made me smile - like yourself - been developing for over 30 years. People still find it amazing when I say I program computer - "so I don't have to do maths". I don't think I've ever had to do anything more complicated than a standard deviation or average and then I just called a function.
@StefanMischook 2 ай бұрын
Experienced developers know the truth ...
@ordohereticus 2 ай бұрын
I wrote a really long reply before I realize that no one would read it or care. I just wanted to say that I use math to solve programming problems ALL the time. I'm a self taught developer and have spent the last year working from 4th grade math up to Calculus, Linear Algebra and Discrete math. I have no degree, turning 40 this year and will be finishing my Computer Science degree in the next few months. Since I have become more confident with math I have been able to solve so many problems, and solve them more efficiently. I recently rewrote 250 lines of python spaghetti into just a handful of trig functions. Using a little bit of trig and a lot of discrete math I was able to rewrite data ingestion scripts to cut the time of the calculations down from dozens of hours to a just a few minutes (around 2x10^9 data points being loaded each afternoon). So I guess you don't need math, but I've certainly leveled up as an engineer since I've started to really embrace it and use it to solve problems.
@SavageScientist 2 ай бұрын
I agree 100% with your statement on the university library as the main reason to go to college. Now the books in Barnes and Noble are much better than any textbook. For example the 1999 book C++ in 21 days will teach more than the two course sequence on intro to programming. This is the basis on my course C++ in 31 days where i teach the theory and coding examples.
@bieddruhuggyfalsaperla5447 2 ай бұрын
You are John of God, Stef. I mean you're really doing God's work by helping all these people. Thumbs up.
@fullstacklarry 2 ай бұрын
A self-taught freelance dev with three years of experience will run circles around a degree dweeb, but if both apply to a company guess who will get the job. The degree dweeb who has never produced a real world project for a client or employer ever.
@keldur16 2 ай бұрын
I think going to college helps give me structure and urgency. And then I supplement with materials I find online but I don’t plan to hang my hat on simply having a degree. My school isn’t good anyway
@maximus13234 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! for Sharing
@kezsc 2 ай бұрын
Uncle Stef, I want to say thank you for your contents. Thank you so much and I just started to teach myself coding through your platform, and through other free resources online. I really appreciate your thoughts and inputs which give me a lot of courage to learn coding on my own. I love watching your videos!!! More power to you and God bless.
@StefanMischook 2 ай бұрын
You are very welcome
@sardineBro Ай бұрын
When I first started in the industry I would 100% agree with you (as a bootcamp grad), now three years later several layoffs, it’s hard for me to even get noticed for a job.
@shanermahmud1086 2 ай бұрын
This video was a like a bitter medicine. It's like going to the dentist: it hurts and it's not necessarily pleasurable, but it's absolutely necessary to be healthy. I wish someone would have told me this long ago.
@julianbronte4297 2 ай бұрын
hey, im currently learning python to work as a backend dev, is it a good idea to get a cs degree to be a machine learning engineer? or should i just stick with backend to make the most amount of money
@921Ether 2 ай бұрын
>backend dev, >python
@radika7347 2 ай бұрын
Very informative, like some film directors also say don't go to film school
@91dgross 2 ай бұрын
speaking big facts uncle stef
@timstevens3361 2 ай бұрын
hi Steph when i went to uni in ont, they were teaching modula-2 i liked it but nobody made anything in modula-2 ever. always a C fan tho.
@sirbobbyuk 2 ай бұрын
Those who are coming through the schools, who have a good knowledge of programming and developed Apps and a good way of communicating their ideas and what the app does, probably don't need to go to college or university, but instead an apprenticeship with a company
@alexmen95kn 2 ай бұрын
So the conclusion is that! We need some primary school, which teach reading, writing, basic arithmetic, and little bit of history and geography. This learning process continues 5 years and after that every person must continue to follow his/her own dreams. Thanks to modern technologies we have access to any kind of information and the people can learn it on their own. After some time the people can become doctors, economists, traders,...........and most important programmers. Programmers are the most valuable specialists on this planet.
@mark-quest2932 2 ай бұрын
Quick question. Do you think the Math(cal, stats, physics) courses conditions people how to think like a problem slover seeing that math forces you to create subset problems to slove a bigger complex problem? I know that you don't need math to be a programmer but is math's relationship to coding is like the relationship of boxing and jogging. In short, is math and physics like roadwork for programmers?
@StefanMischook 2 ай бұрын
If you are getting into programming that requires math and physics (game engine development, Ai research, big data processing) ... sure. Most programming though, is more like architecture (of buildings), so you have to have a more macro-logical thinking mind (if you will) ... that would align more closely with most software development. That said, all things help.
@thinkingcitizen 2 ай бұрын
You don’t need math for basic frontend web development. The math that is actually going to help you for most highly technical software engineering is not Calculus, it’s more intermediate/advanced topics like linear algebra and discrete math because algorithms and data structures is based on that. If want to go into deep learning then, partial differential equations and statistical inference will also be important. If you want to do security, then number theory is the mathematics of crypto. For backend/database engineering, a foundation in abstract algebra could actually help you understand database theory and new systems easily. But just knowing calculus and basic mechanics is not going to be any useful, though it will make you a better learner! With all this said, if I was going to recommend a coding bootcamp grad to study an area of math, I would always recommend Real Analysis. This area of math teaches you how to write rigorous proofs of ideas you take for granted in calculus and there’s an extremely close connection between proving mathematics theorems and writing good optimized code. Hence why you’ve probably observed a connection between great mathematical thinkers and great software engineers.
@jeremystone6433 2 ай бұрын
I work at a university as a database programmer. I do not have a degree. If that doesn't prove your point, I don't know what will.
@DEBO5 2 ай бұрын
I think going to college for a 2 year program is the best way to go. You still get a formal education but it's much cheaper and usually more hands on. That way you can still get that "engineer" word on your resume, and also still get the opportunity to land co-op placements and collaborate with fellow students.
@PaladinLeeroy42069 2 ай бұрын
The first 2 years are the time wasting years. Better to do a trades program than sit in a bunch of gen eds if you’re not trying to transfer to a 4-yr
@DEBO5 2 ай бұрын
@@PaladinLeeroy42069 4 year is where you accumulate debt and it’s unnecessary unless you want to work at a big faang company or something. If you want a job fast do what I said (it worked for me)
@angeloalonzo5500 2 ай бұрын
Its true even if it's free the time/opportunity/sanity wasted is enough to think about it. Also, most teachers encourage student to look into YT to learn the materials which they're supposed to teach and they're too demanding on projects they didn't even teach!
@jorge1869 2 ай бұрын
Yes, 3 body problem
@berat2690 2 ай бұрын
university education depends on the field, something like medicine, you need that university education, but if it's something like programming, university helps, but a lot of people did it without it
@MobileDeveloper1965 2 ай бұрын
But I met some programmers who cannot even speak English fluently.
@ultravioletiris6241 2 ай бұрын
Some programmers are from other places. 🤯
@MobileDeveloper1965 2 ай бұрын
@@ultravioletiris6241 I know but they still do not speak English fluently. How can they become professional programmers? I don’t think they can communicate well.
@TheOriginalDuckley 2 ай бұрын
@@MobileDeveloper1965I’m fairly sure there are professional programmers out there that have never spoken a word of English in their life. Other languages exist and can definitely operate completely independently from English. 😅
@MobileDeveloper1965 2 ай бұрын
@@TheOriginalDuckley I meant professional programmers in USA.
@PerpetualPreponderer 2 ай бұрын
Anthropology is the Ruby of the humanities and social sciences.
@StefanMischook 2 ай бұрын
😂
@sweoding1535 2 ай бұрын
Too bad that Sweden don’t have it like many other countries. Here it’s all about that grade from school that piece of paper. You can be worlds best programmer with good portfolio apps and so on. But if you don’t have the paper you ain’t getting the job
@salvo5108 2 ай бұрын
You don't need a bootcamp either. You need to read books and you also need math and physics, so yes, you need a college but most of all you need DISCIPLINE. Not going to college and being successful is an exception.
@mrswolls 22 күн бұрын
College is a waste for SWE. You need actual skills to code. You don't achieve those skills by wasting precious time learning about how to structure a bibliography or write an essay or respond on a discussion board for points or learn oceanography electives. I like the method that some union trades teach their workers in which its mostly in the field (working and getting paid) and then two nights a week they have classes. They aren't pestering them with English 1A essays or mandatory responses on message boards or philosophy and anthropology, etc. For them its all about learning the trade and perfecting their craft and paying them for their time as they learn it. Programming is a learned skill and should be treated as such and it's somewhat of a "new" skill in that colleges decided not too long ago to take it on as part of their curriculum and give degrees out for it but they combined it with all these other nonsensical subjects not related to coding (a skill). And by the end of it all once you have your degree the actual information needed to be a programmer you learned is the same information you could have learned by buying a few online courses (some are free), getting a Java book (or any lang), downloading a free IDE. It's such a long expensive process just to wave your piece of paper and hope to god you can land a job because of it...and then once you start you're in debt, the market is rocky, and it took you years to get this skill that could have taken you maybe 6 months (or less) to be at a junior level anyway.
@GalinRule 2 ай бұрын
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@MrSteves2001 2 ай бұрын
The words tunnel vision springs to mind here, I appreciate that some of your points are valid, but given your bias, this seems very much geared to your business model and no specific data backs your argument other than your own view of the world. That said universities in the UK do have some of the symptoms you identify. It is also why we have 1 year courses to get people on the ladder quickly without the 4 year debt you are referring to.
@galaxygang5055 2 ай бұрын
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