React Developer Confronted with Reality!

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@LastRellik Жыл бұрын

I watched your stuff while I was early in school long ago, and now I've been a software engineer for 5 years. Thanks for the guidance you gave long ago

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

Congratulations!

@1122slickliverpool Жыл бұрын

Respectfully. Most developers just need to learn about FU money & just stick to the job market. Unless you want to learn about business and making money. Any CMS system you use will not be the latest and greatest tech. The name of the game is making money when you're in business. That's it! lol

@nomagix Жыл бұрын

First time watching Uncle Stef. Great advice! 👍 I wish I had a mentor when I first started my coding journey. Having been coding for quite some time now, I can confidently affirm that if you aspire to work with the tools and technologies you love, it's best to seek opportunities at companies that actively utilize them. Working for an agency or as a freelancer can indeed present challenges, as it often requires mastering a diverse range of tools to sustain your job and generate income. In my experience as a backend developer, I unexpectedly found myself tackling both frontend and backend tasks, and even venturing into non-standard scripting languages along the way. Wishing you the best of luck on your coding endeavors! 💕

@Reinaldulin Жыл бұрын

I worked with PHP + WordPress for around 3 years, AVOID IT!. You'll feel stuck, the salaries are stagnant, as soon as I went full react + anything else on the backend my salary increased by x5 wordpress is good if you have nothing and you want to make a quick buck, but if you want to "grow" as a programmer and become a better developer then avoid wordpress, if you just want to make some bucks and COMPETE WITH INDIANS and third world people go for it, but keep in mind, you'll be taking over the work from indians who were paid around 2 bucks per hour and then you'll be left with a massive horrible code base that you'll have to fix but you won't have the good salary for

@Dgmstudios40 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you were never any good at WordPress development. Bad take.

@marusdod3685 Жыл бұрын

@@Dgmstudios40 >wordpress >good

@imascrew6218 Жыл бұрын

@@Dgmstudios40 well php is a dead language, you can stay in the sinking ship good luck, I know how to handle php but I never develop new things with it

@Dgmstudios40 11 ай бұрын

@@imascrew6218 I use many languages. But by you saying that PHP is a dead language, just proves you don't know enough to talk on this subject. A simple Google search of PHP usage will show you why that was a dumb thing to say lol

@ojsojs6004 11 ай бұрын

@@imascrew6218stop with your propaganda. PHP is very much alive. There are many PHP jobs available out there.

@NomadicBrian Жыл бұрын

I like the advice on following the market. Like planning out a product backlog for having things to do for a period of time you should be storing away skills in anticipation of your plan to utilize them on projects to come. After a while when you are settled into this cycle and finding it profitable there is always time for personal growth. That little part of you that craves the creativity or just to build some things that are your own. I am doing hobby apps with Python for NFL football. I interweave my in demand market necessities with it. For example turning my Python code into micro services with FastAPI and building a console web UI to monitor my services in React 18.

@joecater894 Жыл бұрын

i try to escape php, wp route for one reason.. the pay is pretty bad potentially in that line of work.. there are companies trying to hire dev with a lot of those skills for admin level salaries.. and often they'll stick the word "junior" in front of the role, but its clear.. its not a junior role. ... and frankly, the pay in my humble opinion doesn't nearly justify the hard work and dedication to learn WP+PHP... not for many of these salaries advertised anyway. But a c# role., java role, react role (although angular more common where I'm from). just for example.. they're nearly always paying good. I have witnessed how hard it is for these companies to find any type of dev skills.. so I must assume that php, WP just isn't able to generate enough revenue to allow the devs in that field to be paid well for their relatively high skill level.

@1122slickliverpool Жыл бұрын

"i try to escape php, wp route for one reason.. the pay is pretty bad potentially in that line of work.. there are companies trying to hire dev with a lot of those skills for admin level salaries.. and often they'll stick the word "junior" in front of the role, but its clear.. its not a junior role. ... and frankly, the pay in my humble opinion doesn't nearly justify the hard work and dedication to learn WP+PHP... not for many of these salaries advertised anyway. " Is this freelance work or working for someone?

@joecater894 Жыл бұрын

@@1122slickliverpool I suspect that going the self employed route would be better paid if its your own business ; no its salaries being offered working for companies. but most of these dev firms are small, when its WP PHP (obviously they want JS, HTML, CSS, bootstrap, etc.. but that goes without saying). There are a few freelancer ones listed, but often they want a designer and a dev all in one. I've got other irons in the fire.. but its such a shame to see PHP and WP so low paid.. but its also very interesting.

@-Engineering01- Жыл бұрын

Learn spring, you'll never be worried about jobs.

@bhutchin1996 Жыл бұрын

Earlier this year I applied at an agency for a WP developer position. I'm not in a major city, let alone SF or NYC, but $15-25 an hour seemed really low for everything they were asking for. I basically told them that if they find a developer with everything they're looking for, including the experience, he or she is going to jump ship to a better opportunity as soon as they could. Still, it could be a good way to get one's foot in the door and gain some experience, but it's not good enough for one's own financial health long-term.

@joecater894 Жыл бұрын

@@bhutchin1996 true, very true. I'm in the UK and the salaries I'm talking about are worse for some dev roles (but we arent a cheap country to live in).. £10 / hr. So.. that's something around $13/hr (without looking it up) Maybe $13-$15. So translating your $15-$25 into Uk pounds.. out of interest. .. thats 12/hr to 20/hr GBP Now converting to full time annual salary: 25k - 42k , for UK not too bad. The lower of them figures is pretty bad .. but 42k GBP/yr is fairly ok for UK for wp. Its hard to get above that actually for wp here. I dont think we pay very well for tech.. compared to US.

@stephenoshilaja365 Жыл бұрын

You made so much sense unclestef!!!

@RyanTipps Жыл бұрын

great advice, thanks!

@johtfloridaman6227 Жыл бұрын

react is amazing, it "just works" after you get all the nuances down.

@KILLCHRISU Жыл бұрын

holy shit the guy in the email is me 1000% ESPECIALLY on upwork. It was a bit jarring having studied and built projects for months on end and finally deciding to go freelance just to be met with a wave of wordpress website requests...

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

Yep

@ankaboot8869 Жыл бұрын

bro. Im currently Learning Front End. I know html, css and js. I touched React just a little bit. Am I taking the wrong route? I am asking because i was planning to go online to freelance hardcore. Ooooohhh what should i do?

@KILLCHRISU 11 ай бұрын

@@ankaboot8869 no you’re not taking the wrong route

@Tux0xFF Жыл бұрын

I noticed that, suddendly there are lots of jobs in wordpress and php in general. According to JS prophets, all cms, crm should have been done in JS frameworks. And to this day no JS framework came even close to provide an easy to use alternative to content management

@creativeminds5222 Жыл бұрын

There is the JAMstack option.

@abdullahsiam7609 10 ай бұрын

@@creativeminds5222Still a lot to maintain when compare to a traditional cms platform.

@Undurkhaan 9 ай бұрын

Yep. Nothing is easier than Wordpress.

@elliemeyer9164 Жыл бұрын

Apart from considerations mentioned i think a patience & a bit of time is a must add to the equation. I believe there should be love and perseverance in what you're doing and believe to be a good way, in addition to what client's asking for here and now.. This is how tree grows - as we say in the east :))

@abarrios7007 Жыл бұрын

You're the man! Thanks for share these valued advises, for free!

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@theanswer1993 Жыл бұрын

I see so many people who use React for every single thing. Implementing things like simple websites or shops with React instead of tools which were built especially for this use case.

@marians5015 Жыл бұрын

In my experience as a freelancer FrontEnd Web developer for 8 years is that it's a good idea to specialize in 1-2 CMSs that you like and that are in demand. Then 5-10% allocate time for a framework like Angular

@germanAverageGuy Жыл бұрын

i have a question please , is the freelancing market in the web dev field saturated ?, because i see a lot of competition in freelancing websites like upwork ...etc

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

Not saturated. I was just speaking to a developer today and he was saying how it was for his company to find talent.

@joecater894 Жыл бұрын

@@germanAverageGuy saturated with devs that can do little else other than knockup a WP site from templates is my observation. My prev. firm got one in and asked him to work from a design, and frankly.. he just couldn't. Totally different ballgame to just selecting templates and customising. There are lots of people that know how to host a website.. how to select WP plugins, update them and how to customise wordpress themes to make a custom webpage ; there are not so many who can solve site problems or build a customised site properly designed and built to client spec. Even working with standard html and css, building from a design a fully responsive tailored customer webpage can be quite a skilled thing.. and not many people want to learn to actually code. At least, that is what i observed working in the ind for a'while.

@germanAverageGuy Жыл бұрын

@@StefanMischook thanks for responding, you are the best

@watchernode6138 Жыл бұрын

@@joecater894 to be honest, page builders has changed the game. Now graphic designers just select a theme, add text and images. Clients just want a good looking website. They decide by just looking. They don't care for a custom coded website or WordPress theme.

@HmongCrypto 29 күн бұрын

..lol..well, I'm glad you took the path you did. Honestly, the dating market by itself outside of coding is already crazy. You don't want that mess. I started off teaching myself html,css,javascript back in the early 2000s, took a long pause and did some wordpress stuff and then started looking into python for data and cybersecurity stuff only to realize that their is no escaping javascript..lol .....I just had to come back. So I'm just re-learning javascript again so I can become a well rounded developer. I think any programmer whom can utilize wordpress and understand the entire mern and/or lamp stack would be doing themselves a great favor.. .....especially if they know how to develop something for the client to utilize long term. Once I get better at javascript, I'm definitely going back to do that with wordpress. So much has changed in the last 20 years it's crazy.

@tanzimibthesam5861 Жыл бұрын

Pretty much normal bt i feel the guy should look for remote jobs or full time jobs

@RR-et6zp Жыл бұрын

Start thinking instead

@Gio-m Жыл бұрын

@@RR-et6zpWdym?

@yousafsabir7 Жыл бұрын

More than 6 months into freelancing and now I've started thinking about it. Not that I haven't made any $, the part where I have to do what I don't like doing is what I dislike about freelancing. Perhaps I'll get there over time when I only do things I like to do

@JabariHunt 9 ай бұрын

I spent most of the last two decades as a PHP developer, with the last three years primarily as a Node developer. The transition was a reluctant one, but I'm extremely happy I did. I'll always love PHP, but I think I've spent up my last backend in it, at least voluntarily. NPM is now solid. Node's performance was already good, better than PHP in almost every way. With the release of Bun it's not even a contest. Most importantly though, I've come to thoroughly enjoy JavaScript development. PHP is still a capable language. I look forward to making stupid amounts of money in the future migrating legacy PHP applications, just as Cobol devs do today. That said, I can't see myself choosing it when there is an option that is faster, easier to develop against (once you know how to use it), and is just as enjoyable to code.

@rafa6536 Жыл бұрын

I recommend Symfony + Hotwire Stimulus and Turbo. For me the best tools and I like them :) Turning JSON into HTML using JavaScript and those it's frameworks is just crazy way of doing things :D

@CyberAbyss007 7 ай бұрын

Good stuff here! In my work, often I don't get to choose the stack as I'm typically fixing a lot of older websites for a large company that has over 25 years of mergers and each of those had their own apps we took over management for. Kind of a nightmare really but I've had the opportunity to learn a lot of stacks well enough to patch and deploy them. We get everything you can imagine and even some exotic stacks. In the end you have to do what it best for the business from the business owners perspective. In my role, we are expected to also be consultants and do what is in the best interest of the business financially. That should be your approach for each new gig you get. If you do that, you'll never be out of work. 🙂

@TheModernRiot 4 ай бұрын

That's a good way of looking at it. I'm just starting to code and so far I've been losing my mind over what to start with after the front end (javascript, css, html) there are so many options! 😵‍💫

@sqwert654 Жыл бұрын

I needed a website for my Steam game. I used WP after watching a 1 hour you tube. As a client all I wanted was the site up, looking reasonably good. As the developer I used the fastest way I knew at the time to create and deploy what the client wanted.

@SRG-Learn-Code Жыл бұрын

where did you hosted? also, be honest, how much of a static site is it?

@sqwert654 Жыл бұрын

@@SRG-Learn-Code local AU host I used 9 years ago. It's just a static site where I can host tutorials.

@SRG-Learn-Code Жыл бұрын

@@sqwert654 times has changed, today hosting static sites it's basicly free but many people still uses wp because it will be easier to update it (aka, they never going to) but still requires constant managment of backend and costly servers. WP is a beast hard to defeat.,

@rifqimujahid4907 11 ай бұрын

let us see it

@sqwert654 11 ай бұрын

@@rifqimujahid4907 I'll add some screenshots later and tutorial.

@naranyala_dev Жыл бұрын

I'm very enjoying your type of explanation, thank you

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

You are very welcome

@vladimirputindreadlockrast812 Жыл бұрын

I am a certified Flash ActionScript coder. That was 20 years ago. I sometimes wonder if putting it on my resume is a mistake, because it dates me.

@oweibor Жыл бұрын

Since you already know react, youll be able to work with blocks which is mainly react or vanilla Javascript. So just add php to your existing wordpress knowledge and you should be fine.

@megaman2016 Жыл бұрын

Hi uncle Stef, can you make a video about how you monetise studio web and your pricing model.

@TristanBailey Жыл бұрын

Could also point out for a react dev. All block theme for wordpress is react. Where most Wordpress devs don’t know that or would be hard to learn so you could have advantage no need to be headless.

@abdullahsiam7609 10 ай бұрын

Hey! Could you please me more about this? How a block theme is basically a react? I am a frontend dev already. But in jobs I see it pays less. So started to thinking about learning wordpress development and sold service to the freelance marketplace.

@apidas Жыл бұрын

I mean, freelance stuff will always still use wordpress as the go to solution. there are still many people use it. if you plan to stick to freelancing, then the demands is yes it's gonna be wordpress most of the time. cause they don't need anything custom made as mostly freelance projects are coming from small businesses.

@MrJohn360 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

You bet!

@todetemov7591 Жыл бұрын

Hi Uncle Stef. In the moment i am attending an Full Stack Web Developer academy in my country. We are learning HTML, CSS, Javascript, little bit Jquery, little bit responsive Web, NodeJS, Mongo DB, Mongoose, NestJS, PostgreSQL, REACT , ANGULAR and will learn some additional stuffs when all of the above mention program completes. In my opinion it's maybe good to learn all of this stuffs but in the same time i don't know if i need to focus more on some those technologies and less on others. I think it's little bit difficult to learn and be proficient in all of them. As the end of academy approaches i I'm going through a small chaos in my head. I know the concepts of each of them but i could mixed the syntax from time to time on some of them. I know that maybe you had given some advice to your followers on KZfaq about this subjects , but if you had time i would appreciate your advice on which technologies i should pick to be good at and pay attention more. I'm 44 Years old trying to change my career path i hop i'll manage to do that. Regards, Tode

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

Just search my channel on how to get your first developer job. I can understand why your head is in chaos ... sounds like the curriculum was designed around buzz tech vs reality.

@leojohn6702 Жыл бұрын

But you could do work editing easily in nextjs as well

@misterheath Жыл бұрын

Doesn't spotify use react? Maybe you could see if there's a CMS with skills you prefer.

@malipetek Жыл бұрын

Thanks uncle

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

Any time

@nilkilnilkil Жыл бұрын

I'm still looking at CSS tbh ... still studying ...

@Ando_Figueroa Жыл бұрын

keep it up!!!

@Wanderer2035 Жыл бұрын

Front end mentor is really good for practicing CSS

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

Keep at it!

@jasonwelsh417 Жыл бұрын

When you say "real world" does that encompass the real world of actual software engineering jobs where React is a highly sought after technology?

@Khaenman1 Жыл бұрын

Found this very useful

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear!

@Daijyobanai Жыл бұрын

the real issue here is that react has been heavily marketed as an answer to every possible question. It isn't the answer to any question except "how can we build an unstable, unmaintainable pile of sh*t?". So many react applications are going to have to be re-written using some other framework, because they are not maintainable after the original team move on.

@user-fr2fm3ri3w Жыл бұрын

React bad 😠😠😠

@valentinpirone6471 Жыл бұрын

And what are the best alternatives? Angular?

@okharev8114 Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's why it's the most popular frontend framework in the world

@Daijyobanai Жыл бұрын

@@okharev8114 let me introduce you to cigarettes the most popular addiction in the world, so they must be good, right?

@Daijyobanai Жыл бұрын

@@valentinpirone6471 Angular is great for large applications, especially enterprise. Vue, Solid and Svelte all exist, Python frameworks are mature. The list is long.

@erickmoya1401 Жыл бұрын

Gotta accept it. Fast money is in shitty companies asking for shitty websites. Nothing fancy, just do the job and get paid a lot.

@dexranger Жыл бұрын

Where were these Wordpress clients when I used to struggle to find clients that wouldn’t ditch me for some custom spaghetti coded, unsupported crap, then try to lowball me for Wordpress dev later. 😂

@MarioCheong-lu5hb Жыл бұрын

Hi, Mr Stef, what about Flutter? What are the reality check i need to prepare myself in the real world?.

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

Look at the job market.

@slayingthedragon Жыл бұрын

Shots fired lol

@bonchan4404 Жыл бұрын

Hello sir i just want to comment here. last 2022 i also ask for your advice because im in a different field . now im close to 1 year as a react developer . thank you . still hungry for knowledge . whats next for me ?

@JakeSummers2424 Жыл бұрын

You sure it's not "69" point "42" percent?

@ardapeker6942 9 ай бұрын

In my country, React JS is at the top of the job market. 80% of companies are looking for React and Next JS, while 20% are searching for Vue and Angular JS developers for frontend. I don't see much demand for Wordpress and PHP.

@edhahaz 11 ай бұрын

Giving the client a wordpress site and seeing it become total and utter crap in 2months because who knows what they changed is better, because I got paid.

@SUPERHEAVYBOOSTER Жыл бұрын

"and it got taken over by swingers..." LOL

@bez1196 Жыл бұрын

LMAO.. swinging coder guy 😂😂😂 very interesting niche.

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

Yes. I was happy to fill that niche for the time I was ...

@2penry2 Жыл бұрын

I like that I've managed to leave the WordPress space. It's garbage with little room for technical growth. Unless your killing it with jobs your just limiting your own success

@God4lifeTkCIS Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a poor explanation of why headless, there's benefits in using react but its not for everyone-theres nit picky clients that are pain in the ass to work with and those seem to be the two friends that guy has. I dont take on those type of clients

@Maestrotoy 11 ай бұрын

Anytime weirdpress😆😆

@codedusting Жыл бұрын

Get better clients.

@Adjust91 Жыл бұрын

as an aspiring full stack dev, I chose to not go down the React route, it just feels horrible to learn (to me personally). I'm absolutely loving Svelte and SvelteKit.

@simplatory802 Жыл бұрын

But, jobs aren't available. I'm planning to learn react now.

@scratchy996 Жыл бұрын

@@simplatory802 Good luck finding a react job. The market is shit right now, it's flooded with react developers.

@Adjust91 Жыл бұрын

@@scratchy996 yea that’s also a concern. I’m planning to go ful stack so it’s either sveltekit with no jobs, or react with jobs but wasayyyy too many people. On the plus side, svelte is much easier to learn than react. So can always learn next then grab sveltekit 😂

@robertmazurowski5974 Жыл бұрын

This is Reactily

@Ian-zj1bu Жыл бұрын

Ah, the inevitable meeting between "software" and "the business". Money talks and cares not for what you think is "cool". - A PHP dev that sucks at WordPress :)

@jozegabr Жыл бұрын

Grandfather, thank you for your effort, but sometimes you delve into things you don't know or they have outgrown you. How many years of experience do you have in modern js frameworks: Vue, React, Svelte,..., to be able to evaluate real differences, advantages?. Far from that, You have experience in programming: php, java, python. The differences are important, depending on the project, let alone if you have no idea about these "new" frameworks. You can't judge. Sorry.

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

😂 it’s all old stuff wrapped in new packaging. The only new stuff are the server models and dev ops.

@friendofzeus Жыл бұрын

@@StefanMischook Not really. Have you ever tried to handle state management for a somewhat complicated front facing website with lots of interdependent functionality?

@maksymdudyk1718 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, Steff isn't aware of React's benefits. To compare React with WordPress is like comparing a piece of bread with a book. They are uncomparable since they pursue different goals. To start thinking of a good solution for a commercial web-site building, we'd better focus on the advantages of SPA (single page application) approach over the old-school wordpress-php one. These advatanges are numerous.

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

Did you even watch the video? I wasn't comparing React to WP in anyway regarding the tech.

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

BTW, SPA (single page application) isn't anything new. It is a rebranded and modified version of what we use to call Model 1.

@Dgmstudios40 Жыл бұрын

Every website is not meant to be a single page application lmao

@Synkotic90 Жыл бұрын

WordPress is fine to start a career but never stay there very long. You want to get out of WordPress and move into bespoke software development ASAP. Otherwise you'll get shit pay, agency work, poor flexibility, over-reliance in third parties, skill rot, the works. I don't generally recommend it outside of freelance work.

@joecater894 Жыл бұрын

certainly looks that way.

@overPowerPenguin Жыл бұрын

Can't say for sure, but there's a big market for plug-ins themes for WordPress and Woocommerce, and the latter one is quite good at handling most of the small and medium sized online stores with not much work. So I think you can earn quite decent from a proper WordPress plug-in made especially for e-commerce, or theme. Read somewhere that the MailChimp plug-in dev said the earnings from his WordPress module was about 36k USD / month and he did earn over 2M USD and he sell it for 1.6M USD, so that's a good amount of money for anyone, wherever you live.

@davidbasil3161 Жыл бұрын

Why not just find a React job?

@StefanMischook Жыл бұрын

Because he wants to freelance.

@davidbasil3161 Жыл бұрын

@@StefanMischook Stable job is a much better option than freelance.

@BusinessWolf1 Жыл бұрын

@@davidbasil3161 there is nothing stable about having a job. But you wouldn't know that if you just accept the status quo.

@user-kh6rp6yx1j 3 ай бұрын

Hey

@StefanMischook 3 ай бұрын

Yo.

@CrisCozy Жыл бұрын

I Hated web development. I Switched to SwiftUI it’s way less of a headache imo.

@joaquin67 Жыл бұрын

Do you have a job in that now? If so, how did you get into it? Thanks in advance!

@God4lifeTkCIS Жыл бұрын

im learning slowly learning swift ui apis right now; built out a basic view app

@CrisCozy Жыл бұрын

@@joaquin67 No job, freelancing for now.

@rod6722 Жыл бұрын

@@CrisCozy How are you able to find work, is it through Upwork, Linkedin, your existing network? Also, I was under the impression that for freelancing cross-platform technologies like React Native would be better as the clients generally want an Android and an iOS app. Do your clients only want an iOS app? Never done mobile development personally but I'm pretty curious about it so that's why I'm asking all this... ;p

@CrisCozy Жыл бұрын

@@rod6722 Mines is niche. I solve problems. Example: I build booking/Appointment apps for barbers, hairstylists, dog groomers. All the same code any add on is extra. Now they have there personal app and adds strong credentials to there brand. I don’t go looking for work I create the work. Solve a problem in your area.

@kamertonaudiophileplayer847 Жыл бұрын

React is a complete hype. I do nt use it and do not recommend to you.

@Christian-qu6yv Жыл бұрын

Flash action script coding 😭😭

@27sosite73 Жыл бұрын

first nah!

@ciroelpersa3778 4 ай бұрын

8:38 Let the market drive you... heck yeah!

@illegalsmirf Жыл бұрын

JavaScript is more painful than butt seks.

@BRP-Moto-Tips Жыл бұрын

do u know first hand? lol

@FIoydMayweather Жыл бұрын

Never though I'd see a mail like that ever! If you've put the work in and can work on react and next just get a real job in a decent company and wipe your a55 with wordpress and it's ancient technologies!!!!