The Problem with Letterboxd Ratings (Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse)

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Жыл бұрын

In this video I give my thoughts about the Letterboxd rating system and its relation to Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse. Do you think Letterboxd is broken? What did you rate Across the Spider-Verse?

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@cuttingroomceiling Жыл бұрын

Update: As of today, Letterboxd officially added Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse to their top 250 list at the number one slot! Do you agree with this? If you want to check out more of my videos, start here: kzfaq.info/sun/PLXQy-5ZFJGkYrptPMVm8_8zKQaRjAWnze

@nicholasjoseph8297 9 ай бұрын

I saw Across the Spiderverse twice its in my top 100 cause it's revolutionary in comic book storytelling, and animation. I gave the film 5 stars. Second best of the year under Oppenheimer.

@TheOtherSession Жыл бұрын

The other thing that people who complain about this forget about is the sampling bias on top of the recency bias. The type of people who are going to see a franchise movie opening week (or honestly in theaters in general) are likely the type of person that will love that movie. The average rating always goes down with time as the general audience drowns out the die hard fans.

@ArthurSanford3706 Жыл бұрын

The Letterboxd Top 250 should really be weighted. A film with 50k views with an average of 4.1 shouldn't be ahead of a movie with a million views but an average of 4.0

@MegaGamer1006 Жыл бұрын

Sadly doesn't help with recency bias, Spider-Verse already has more views (338K) than Come and See (221K).

@scottyg262 9 ай бұрын

how would they do that though? I agree with you still because seeing a 4.4/5 or a 4.3/5 on a film with 20k logs be above modern-day masterpieces is jsut frustrating

@rasmusjohansen6190 4 ай бұрын

I disagree with this tbh. Compared to IMDb's Top 250, that is even more based on popularity, the Letterboxd Top 250 is a lot more nuanced and based on artistic value than just consisting of 90% Hollywood blockbusters. And this, I believe, is very much due to the fact that a film only needs 5.000 ratings to enter the list, whereas the number is 25.000 on IMDb.

@sergiodiazgarcia3851 2 ай бұрын

I agree with you. Also, when a lesser-known film enters the top 250 on Letterboxd, it gains more visibility, which means more people see it and, so to speak, self-regulate it.@@rasmusjohansen6190

@KayosWONER 2 ай бұрын

why there is nothing wrong with the list evolving as new films come out. There are plenty of lists out there of the top 250 films based on the context of film history.

@Infinite_Repeat Жыл бұрын

People are just too serious I don’t believe in the unicorn 5 star rating. I know I’m not a critic and I don’t care if someone judges my letter boxd. If I really loved a movie guess what 5 stars baby.

@EntrEsprit 9 ай бұрын

what is a unicorn 5 star rating?

@Infinite_Repeat 9 ай бұрын

@@EntrEsprit pretty much never giving out a 5 star to a movie unless it’s like one of the greats like godfather level movie.

@EntrEsprit 9 ай бұрын

@@Infinite_Repeat ah ok, i don't hold my 5 star to such a standard too i guess, i have around 25 after 300 movies watched

@WaveSamu 7 ай бұрын

believe it or not, but I actually rate movies with 5 stars pretty rarely but it's really not because I want the 5 star rating to be something special but because I actually don't come across movies very often that I'd consider to be perfect or almost perfect (wich to me is the essence of a maximum rating)

@DonnovanThomas929 4 ай бұрын

@@Infinite_RepeatThat’s one of my insecurities about Letterboxd lol. I give most movies I see a 3.5-5 star rating but I don’t want to be over generous and just give every movie a 3.5 or 4 star rating. Like I want to be more critical

@jaymchap Жыл бұрын

“I’ll give you a hint, one of them is dead.” very good video

@asper- 9 ай бұрын

it’s bold of you to assume that most people on letterboxd are straight

@justindurham9253 Ай бұрын

Or even male. I see just as many women on the app

@manocuypers163 9 ай бұрын

Belgium finally accomplished something and this guy dares to give all the credit to the French

@lilith42069 2 ай бұрын

Y'all are way too obsessed with rating as a sign of a film deserving a spot in a monolithic objective canon. Don't get me wrong, some of the attitudes involved in automatically dismissing classics because they're "Film Bro" recs and going with what's newer and trendier does seem superficial at times. However, just as equally on the other hand, discussing The Godfather and other similiarly universally praised films such as Citizen Kane and Casablanca a million times over because "it's obviously a masterpiece" gets boring. Plus I don't believe in objective quality because it just reduces art down to a mechanical set-in-stone science instead of subjective creative choices depending on taste, life experiences, and overall sensabilities. And as for myself, I have over a thousand favorite movies (no exaggeration been a movie fan since 14 when I watched Yojimbo for the first time and loved it) and discovered a lot of great gems that, imo, deserve way more attention than they do already because they don't have the existing universal notoriety that films like The Godfather have. And that notoriety is still strong today with Literally Me edits abound of all these kino classics. So I mean idk, what do y'all really have to complain about?

@closeben Жыл бұрын

I’m honestly really surprised that so many people think this is better than the first movie. I give the first one 5 stars but the new one only 4. It really suffers at the end from literally not having an ending. The 5 star ratings here seem to be all hype, and I can tell you now that if the third movie sucked, a lot of people’s opinions on the second movie would change - which doesn’t make any sense to me. I believe every movie needs to be judged independently as it’s own entity.

@nileshollowthorn Жыл бұрын

I actually watched the first again and I still prefer the new one way more, and I’ve seen it multiple times now. I prefer the story, stakes, comedy, and especially the family dynamics more, as well as the focus on Gwen. There are a lot more varied visuals too for some stellar eye candy. It being a part 1 isn’t enough to take away from the entire experience, honestly.

@ianschmitt4991 Жыл бұрын

To be continued is an ending though, you might not like it but thems the facts. Also the ending was a twist they set up earlier but didn't hand to the audience on a silver platter

@closeben Жыл бұрын

@@ianschmitt4991 Imo if there is no resolution to the main character’s main conflict… there’s no ending. It’s completely unsatisfying and it leaves me unenthused for the sequel. Now I feel like I’m gonna see it out of obligation rather than actually being excited by the previous movie.

@ianschmitt4991 Жыл бұрын

@@closeben ok that's fine but the main characters conflict was resolved in the 3rd act, by Miles admitting to his mom that he's Spiderman. Unfortunately he admitted that to his mom from a different universe but the whole point of the movie seemed to be "Lying to the people you love is wrong" and more than Miles figured that out in the 3rd act

@closeben Жыл бұрын

@@ianschmitt4991 I’m definitely glad that happened, but the bigger conflict for me is him wanting to save his Dad and the whole thing with Spot. Imo they only needed an extra 40mins to close out that story, however they wanted to introduce a bunch of extra twists like Earth 42 and Prowler… I think they’re interesting twists but they weren’t structured in the best way. Imo they should have taken a page from Back to the Future Part 2 which has a similar kind of ending. But in that movie, they complete the main quest and defeat the villain, full satisfaction to the conflict. And *then* there’s a major twist where Doc gets sent back in time. This makes for a much more compelling cliffhanger imo.

@VGMage Жыл бұрын

great video, no one likes to think about context when it comes to film appreciation / criticism.

@prerna_padma 9 ай бұрын

Just discovered your channel, you have very interesting KZfaq titles! Eager to watch em!

@josalas5145 Жыл бұрын

Love your videos man! Keep it up!

@bentott 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the great video. Some smart insights

@raszze 5 ай бұрын

Also ATSV ngl is one of the best animated films ever made. Not even a massive superhero fan but the movie is great.

@elpeluca7780 2 ай бұрын

As a big spiderman fan I fucking hated it. It's like oh everyone can be spiderman but you have to go through an insanely specific meta events to actually be spiderman. What?

@The_Gake 4 ай бұрын

Damn so many good points here. You were pretty much on the nose with everything

@thereyofwater Жыл бұрын

Film Bros being upset over ASTV being #1 on Letteboxd is the best. 😂

@leskijin4988 8 ай бұрын

Yeah. XD

@hazymorning1823 4 ай бұрын

i like your thoughts

@hotrodred0317 Жыл бұрын

What’s your Letterboxd?

@johnnzboy 4 ай бұрын

Excellent video!

@neferpizzastudios2733 11 ай бұрын

Personally, I’m not a film snob or a franchise nerd. I mainly watch movies (that I have algorithmically determined to be worthwhile) between 1970 and now. But I’m defiantly more of a film snob because I hate franchises.

@qtticus 5 ай бұрын

this is me, but I love andrei tarkovsky movies so i would consider myself a snob

@lex3889 Жыл бұрын

when did you start caring abt the rating system??

@CodPatrol 7 ай бұрын

When people considered it SOOOO much better than IMDb audience when it literally isn’t

@trentkhr 3 ай бұрын

This is why on my Letterboxd I have started to not rate movies until I’ve seen them at least 2-3 times 😅

@prerna_padma 9 ай бұрын

2:02 rewatchabilty right !!! This is important

@filip1261 2 ай бұрын

Never understood why rewatchability would matter at all

@raszze 5 ай бұрын

I give stuff a 5/5 if I love everything about it. Not really strict about it.

@obara7366 Жыл бұрын

What a great video. Ngl, I came to this video sour, my finger of the trigger for a dislike, but I was pleasantly surprised. I thought this would be a thinly veiled diss at ATSV, but I ended up learning a lot! Great video! I'm subbing.

@AsterLea 2 ай бұрын

My last 3 movies watched: Dickson Greeting (1981), The Kiss (1986), Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (2023)

@gavmonn5901 5 ай бұрын

I think the problem with your take, is that it's hard to say what value a film has, if you don't understand the references to the classics.

@pashadwantara Жыл бұрын

In The Mood for Love is a very melancholic movie. You should check it out.

@MundosMeridianos 4 ай бұрын

Its a six out of five stars movie

@elpeluca7780 2 ай бұрын

@@MundosMeridianosit's a 0.5/5 star movie lmao

@Mickey-1994 4 ай бұрын

People take these sites too seriously and we all rate movies in different ways. One example is I think The Breakfast Club is a 5 out of 5 and I would give The Godfather 4 out of 5. I know The Godfather is a better movie than The Breakfast Club but The Godfather just isn't one of my favorites.

@elpeluca7780 2 ай бұрын

"I know the godfather is a better movie than the breakfast club". No offence, but that's a thoroughly empty sentence. It means literally nothing.

@Mickey-1994 2 ай бұрын

@@elpeluca7780 No need to get upset little buddy.

@sirtorchington 4 ай бұрын

I'm gonna go on a limb and say that we shouldn't be watching movies to make sure our LB curve is 3 star heavy 😅 I just started using LB and if I feel like a movie is a 4.6+, I log it as a 5. The ranking should be personal

@andresl.9404 4 ай бұрын

does anyone know how to get recommendations from the global south? The lists usually do not really take them that much into account

@elizabethkulaga5573 3 ай бұрын

whats 4 +4? 8 ✨

@drivingduck2234 5 ай бұрын

arc? thats called a histogram...

@Lokeshkumar-wh6vd 6 ай бұрын

but Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse > The Godfather Part II

@Artiri 7 ай бұрын

Being a straight, white, man from the west isn't a disqualifying feature on anything, their experience is not less than the rest of society. This video is great without that bs.

@standrew131 5 ай бұрын

this guy doesn’t even know what he’s talking sbout

@CodPatrol 7 ай бұрын

People actually considered it gospel at one point 🤣 it’s got come and see and harakiri in the top 10 so it must be good! No film bros here!

@WitherVideos 8 ай бұрын

I kinda hated that movie and it’s very bizarre to me that almost everyone liked it

@CodPatrol 7 ай бұрын

I don’t care if you like The Dark Knight, it physically is not a top 30 film of all time. I love the fact that list is being exposed for what it actually is, Barbie also has a 4.1. Once again, not saying I hate the film but 4.1 is nearing perfect level. It’s just a casual list, it’s not remotely legit. The amount of amazing films below 4.1 that are absolutely better than Barbie is crazy

@cothinker680 2 ай бұрын

You could say that for every film you make no point

@elpeluca7780 2 ай бұрын

No list is legit. Including lists made by basement dwelling film snobs who think that cinema is objective.

@ianschmitt4991 Жыл бұрын

I dont understand the controversy with across the spiderverse getting such a high rating. Visually it's on par with Barry Lyndon and in a year saturated with horrific dogshit superhero films it stands out as leader of the pack

@maximumoccupancy 6 ай бұрын

So because a new movie meets the criteria of "not being horrific dogshit," it belongs among the greatest movies of all time?

@raidersofsteak2227 4 ай бұрын

It may not have been dog but looking at the actual story which to some is more important or less important than the visuals was not too great

@PicklesRTasty 3 ай бұрын

It's not a bug, its a feature. Sorry the movies you think are the best ever aren't what people ACTUALLY enjoy the best.

@christiangalaz482 6 ай бұрын

I actually liked more Spider-Man ATSV than The Godfather. Art is subjective.

@filip1261 4 ай бұрын

sure but you're still dumb

@omeshsingh8091 Ай бұрын

Across the spider-verse is not great. Into the Spider-Verse on the other hand is fucking great.

@CodPatrol 7 ай бұрын

It’s got a couple of favourites thrown in with these well known ones that pretty much everyone likes. End of Evangelion the obscure anime film from a 38 episode anime paired with Schindler’s List because why not! Like, there’s nothing acclaimed about Evangelion, it’s your film bros favourite pastime after a 5 hour gaming session. Some of the best films on that website have below 3.8 ratings yet these casual anime films have 4.5 like how…

@42Tangent 6 ай бұрын

End of evangelion isn’t obscure though, it’s also really good…

@CodPatrol 6 ай бұрын

@@42Tangent It is, just because online kids love it doesn’t mean average people on the street would know about it.

@42Tangent 6 ай бұрын

@@CodPatrol “online kids” for one I don’t think you know how large the internet is now days, also it’s a 90s film, more than just kids know about it. Sure it might not be as popular as something like The Godfather, but remember it’s a Japanese movie not American, neon genesis is INSANELY well known in Japan, the rebuilds are some of the top grossing movies in Japan of all time.