Yeah the Spider-Man fandom is shit some of them come up with crappy arguments, others are at throats, and others say their opinions like their facts

The only good criticism I've seen of MCU Spooder-Man is The Closer Look's vid on how passive he is. Like if Peter just wanted to enjoy his school trip, he shouldn't have let Fury just mess with his trip.

Iron Boy Jr. is pretty accurate though.

@@jasoncastlecomedy Not really… I mean where does the Jr even come from? There is no hero in Marvel named Iron Boy. At least I think so cause last time I checked there was a Iron Man not a Iron Boy. Idk why I’m overlooking this, but other then that the Iron Boy Jr argument is crappy.

@@boredianz that’s ridiculous. The iron boy jr. namesake is just that, a namesake. We call him that because he owes Tony everything and we rarely if ever get to see Peter Parker’s ingenuity like we did in the Webb or Raimi films. He also spends an inordinate amount of time sucking up to Stark, which directly contradicts his character. So please let me know if I need to dumb down my explanation further for you.

If you can't make him famous, will you make him infamous?

@@johnwalker1058 He doesn't trust anyone that's his problem. (Maybe his barber🤔)

That’s slander.

@@crystalias2546 It is not! I resent that! Slander is spoken, in print it’s libel

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same

@CH_Omega I despise raimi fanboys with a passion nobodies saying it so I will

Like I get preferences but completely just ignoring the pros of each Spider Man and only preferring Tobey just because of nostalgia is just stupid.

@CH_Omega i like all movies but the triligoy us my favorite mainly cause I think had the nost accurate depiction of peter parker. Both thr amazing spider man and tom holland didnt really feel like peter parker not that there bad or anythimg but I feel toby did a great job acting as peter parker which is why the trilogy is my favorite I enjoyed the amazing spider man but didnt really like the second movie. Home coming was meh to me far from home waa also meh not bad but I didnt enjoy it too much.

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Agreed Garfield wasn’t bad and special effects of swinging are pretty good but everything else is pretty bad

I think the tasm movies had great acting as well, from Emma stone, Sally field, Martin sheen, Rhys ifans, Dennis leary, and even Andrew Garfield acted his heart out in some of these scenes. Andrew was also the biggest fan of the character, watching interviews you could see how much of a nerd he was in real life, and how well he knows the character, and he was the most dedicated to the role. Whether or not you think his Peter Parker/Spider-Man is good or accurate is highly debatable, but I think they nailed the core characters, they gave us Gwen which I think is still the best live action love interest we've had so far, Martin sheen was good for the short time he played uncle Ben, Sally field was an amazing aunt may, and the most depth we've gotten for the character on screen as well, rosemary Harris is still goated tho. Sally field as aunt may did the most, and Marisa Tomei as aunt may in the mcu is barely even a factor, I can't remember a single line she's said. The flash Thompson in tasm was also the best version of the character I've seen, he was intimidating, but after Ben's death he became more sensitive and actually grew closer with Peter. The mcu doesn't seem to understand these characters at all, or i feel like they tried to deviate so far from previous Spider-Man movies that they created something completely different

@@junaydfisher211 Nuff said.

Personally I just related to this peter/spiderman more than the other ones

Who was he talking about Andrew ?

@@Mojj2099 Tom was in the frame but I think he meant spider-man in general

@@Mojj2099 Andrew was also kind of awkward. i think the skater thing muddled up people's memories.

@@madladdie7069 I just watched TASM last night and can't help but think of the moment when he's stuttering for like a whole minute trying to make plans with Gwen

I agree, I enjoy all Spider-Man films. I don’t think we’ve ever gotten a truly bad Spi- Actually yes we have. Nicholas Hammond… and The new Marvels Spider-Man cartoon show is the worst thing ever. I hate it and if I could kill a cartoon that would be the one I killed

Ikr.

I love all 7 movies as well. The amazing Spider-Man 2 was pretty bad honestly. But honestly I enjoy watching these movies and can’t wait to watch No Way Home.

Tbh my favorite part of TASM movies is Martin Sheen's performance as Uncle Ben. Instead of just saying, "Great power gives you great responsibility", he gives an entire lecture about it and it easily is one of the best if not THE best scene in the film.

Tasm 2 is underrated. Y’all just love to overhate for some reason

“Somebody’s been a baaad lizard”

And the spider crawling sound effect was a nice touch too

Andrew has the best fight scenes out of them imo. He's the only one that fights like... Spider-Man if thst makes sense. MCU fight scenes ere always pretty similar mostly and Raimi didnt have the effects for fight scenes as good but that's hardly their fault. The Mysterio scene was cool tho

Your comment should be pinned.

​@@mysticalcomic I agree except for the exception of the train fight in Spider-Man 2. It's a nice long sequence with stakes, pushes forward the story, and created one of the most iconic moments Spider-Man fans can remember

Ok

Agreed

Yeah, I honestly hope that in No Way Home, the Doctor Strange spell works and everybody forgets that he's Spider-Man (including MJ, Ned and Aunt May). Then, Spidey can't get his tech from Stark Industries any more and he will have to make his own stuff and become his own hero.

Yah that bothered me as well. I'm relieved they arent doing that with his identity reveal in far from home.

I love Tom Holland but literally all of the supporting characters in Peter's life seem like hollow shells of what we got in previous adaptations. That's why I can't get fully on board with his version of Peter Parker. Each prominent characters in Peter's life should be there to provide support, but also to provide tension and raise the stakes. Peter being Spider-Man should clash with his relationships as well, and there should always be problems somewhere with his relationships with other people. Aunt May seems to get the least screen time in these movies, like she's only in them for 3-4 minutes each, and when she does appear on screen it seems like she's mostly there for the punchline of a joke or to be gawked at because of how attractive they made her, or to serve as a romantic interest for Tony stark and happy. She's also extremely easy going, part of the reason Peter is such a good guy is because he's parents were strict but fair with him. But that's completely lost with her, it seems like she's more of just a babysitter to Peter than an actual motherly figure. We also get none of those moments where Peter is at his lowest and aunt may gives him advice, like in the raimi and Webb movies where aunt may gives him advice when he feels defeated as Spider-Man or when he's lost the love of his life. There's also the financial aspect, as Ben and may were already poor, but when Ben dies it's supposed to become harder to pay the bills. We never really see may and Peter struggling, they live in really good apartments in the city in New York, how are they affording everything just fine? Idk if they showed what aunt may does for money, but in other interpretations they made it a point that she was still independent and still made sure to support Peter going to school or college or wherever, in tasm2 she's seen working as a nurse, in the raimi movies she says she works as piano teacher, but then loses the house and moves into an apartment. In spectacular Spider-Man Peter starts working at the daily bugle to start supporting her with bills. The fact that they skipped her reaction to Peter being Spider-Man also pissed me off. It would have been the perfect moment to make the series more grounded, maybe they could have a talk about uncle Ben, or she could say that she doesn't want him to get hurt, but we got nothing, and she's now highfiving him as Spider-Man. I mean what motherly figure would be completely okay with seeing their 15 year old son doing all this vigilante work and getting beaten to a pulp all the time like he does? And that's just some of the criticism I have on aunt may. Don't get ne started on flash and Michelle "mj" Jones. Ned leeds also doesn't work as a replacement for harry or any other friend that Peter would have, and he doesn't provide any source of drama or tension for Peter, and he doesn't help Peter grow as a character either, he's basically just Peter's sidekick and there to help Peter with his Spider-Man.

They all act like they read the comics but it’s like they completely misunderstood the character. And when you say like this best accurate spider man (Tom Holland) thru say comic book never connected to any other marvel mythos which is stupid

Peter has so many mentors other than uncle ben. Yes his uncle stood above the rest becuz he’s the catalyst. But the journey of peter being a hero was helped by other people as well and that includes *ironman*.

Thank you for saying this. Peter’s mentor is not into Uncle Ben he has many others in many comics. And the reason Tobey fans think all this is because they just assume everything in the Tobey movies are canon to the comics and act like they know the comics when they didn’t. For example; Peter’s webs never came out of his own hands, but they just think that because of the movies

I know that this is an old comment and I'll speak for my perspective only. In my opinion, you can fairly criticize each movie and be correct on the topic of adaptation since they all more or less miss with properly adapting comics. And it would be absolutely fine. But we don't have a definitive adaptation. Like near perfect example. If we did, it would be zero problem with just another alternative iteration. Just imho.

Did the films ever get comic versions?

The downside of having to cut things down for theatrical releases

Toby didn't make he's suit?

@@clarkkent7653 he drew the design as far as we saw

The novel for the Raimi films are literally not canon in any way. They get numerous things wrong and contradict the movies multiple times. Not saying you cant look into them for details, just don't take it as gospel.

Yeah

This is the perfect comment

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No people can mcu Spider-Man ironboy is because he’s too high tech and. Alot of his stuff is reminiscent of ironman especially he got the iron spider suit

@@NiggaChickenSticks he only used the iron spider suit in infinity war, endgame, and using technology doesn't make a copy of iron man thats stupid it's already revealed that peter is a smart guy so he can prob make a high tech suit he doesn't have to stick to a latex suit with web schooters if he has higher technology compared to older spiderman variations

that scene was so unnerving and made me so uneasy.

That dude is always trashing MCU Spider-Man

I got it. 1. Car scene 2. The Rubble Scene 3. Tony takes Peter’s suit. 4. The Washington Monument rescue.

I ain't a big spiderman, but I watched that movie when it came out, and I barely recalled any scene; I just did now after he mentioned them in this video. Pfff. I watched the old trilogy of Toby when I was 9, and I still remember some parts of it to this day without being reminded of it. So maybe, to non-spiderman fans who only watched the movies once, his point kind of makes sense.

Miles was literally teased in Spider-Man homecoming aswell

Yes but your in the minority. Most people are blinded by nostalgia cause they grew up loving it even if them movies are flawed, not as good or comic accurate

TASM 1 is my favourite Spiderman movie.

@@mikenotic8430 lol

@@Kyle_Hanson It was my favorite until Spiderman Homecoming. Spiderman Homecoming was so good. It's funny my top 3 favorite Spiderman movies are all the first movie in each movie series. Like my top 3 favorite Spiderman movies are Rami Spiderman, The Amazing Spiderman and then my favorite Spiderman Homecoming.

@@CometStar100 I respect that opinion

I have seen enough I am subbing

It’s like getting mad at a shelf for holding things. That’s the point of this Spider-Man, that he lives in Iron Man’s shadow and learns to become his own hero.

@@bullymaguire6091 that's not Spider-Man. That's an original character. Spider-Man being in Iron Man's shadow is why the Iron Man Jr complaint was born.

@@dingkong5034 It is Spider-Man. It’s just this version of the character. Every Spider-Man has their own connections and struggles, and this one’s struggle is making a name for himself and learning to be a hero outside of Iron Man.

@@bullymaguire6091 MCU Spider-Man is not a valid adaptation.

@@dingkong5034 Changing a character to fit their universe doesn’t make them invalid. A Spider-Man in the MCU learning to be his own hero makes sense in the context of the universe.

ME TO!!!!

same, they all have their flaws but as long as there is spider-man in there, I like it.

Bu- bu- but that’s not allowed! YOU CANT LIKE ALL THEM YOU CAN ONLY LIEK OEN AND IT MUS BE RAIMI MOVIES MCU GARBAGE COOKIE CUTTER BABY STUFF RAIMI BOSS GO GET RELIGION

@@jjonahjameson8934 lol

@@jjonahjameson8934 classic JJJ

It's like whoever new one is playing character will get hate.

@@sagarvishe3463 Yeah, like imagine how most people are going to react when MCU Wolverine will be played by a different person (not named Hugh Jackman).

@@SpFlash1523 As long as they find the right actor,and stay true to the character than it's all good

Funny how nwh respected each spiderman even redeemed Andrew into him getting a third film and people are still making up excuses saying it’s fanservice and I’m like wtf most of you asked for this shit including me

Some raimi fans actually want tom holland to die just because he's spiderman.....

Gwen died in the comics bro

@@VanillaTried I already know that Andrew Garfields Spider-Man is the most accurate to the comic but it doesn’t change the fact that it was his own failure.

Tom also tries to be a friendly neighbourhood spider-man and trying to see his place in the mcu

@@sonicmail3430 I’m only giving their flaws. The comment I made about them was just to notice their main failures

Tom Holland's Spiderman's weakness is his inability to be original. He has three Movies in which he uses Stark's suit not to mention the avengers movies. Only in NWH does he makes his own suit, and that too at the end of the movie. Only in NWH does he seem to have his own emotions, but the previous appearances and movies made him seem like a side character and a shell of what he was previously thought to be (which was be his own man).

Another dumb argument I keep hearing is that he’s not broke and he’s rich which is so dumb cause they literally show us that he’s broke. In civil war he admits to dumpster diving for parts for a computer, in homecoming he has a outdated phone that continually gets broken, when the teacher calls on him you can see his laptop is being held together by ductape, when his backpack gets stolen he’s forced to walk back to school with a bunch of books in his hands cause he can’t afford one, in FFH he sold his collectibles to get a 3D headphone adapter and MJ’s necklace and in NWH when the police confiscated all his tech when you look under the Edith glasses I believe you can see PlayStation 2 video games. How in the world do you live in 2024 and still have only PlayStation 2 games. But yeah he’s not broke he’s rich right?🤣. Just another dumb argument these people complain about.

wait do people still say this after no way home? he literally lost everyone who knew he was spiderman, his aunt may died and he's now completely alone

agreed 100%. I also love the kind of 2011 style in it, makes me very nostalgic.

I like the first tasm because it embodies that dark mysterious tone that was just missing from the Raimi films. Now Spider-Man isn't supposed to be dark but it definitely should have some of those dark and cool moments especially when it comes to the villains. If you have villains like Goblin, Venom, or Lizard the movie should definitely take itself more dark and serious while other villains like doc ock or electro should be more light and fun. Spider-Man should have all different colors. It's all about atmosphere and that's something missing from a lot of modern movies. I think Spectacular Spider-Man is the best Spider-Man media because it literally nails almost everything I mentioned. sometimes you get a really dark and emotional episode other times you get a really light-hearted and goofy one. It has the cool and mysterious tone. I think tasm almost had this but it was leaning into the more realistic Nolan TDK vibe and it felt off when Spider-Man should just be fun. The CGI show Spider-Man the new animated series from the 2000s nails the atmosphere perfectly. the villains are tragic and writing sticks to the comics but puts a unique spin on it. Very underrated show and I wish more people would check it out

I have several reasons why this movie sucks. First of all, Andrew's acting isn't working for me in these movies, it's a misguided acting. He's not the one who does the best acting, he's the one who does the most acting, he's always having a lot of tics and quirks, trying to force the face of dramatic crying, and doing those naughty heartthrob looks, which for me is boring. He also has a habit of saying everything stuttering, and repeating the words over and over in an unconvincing attempt to play an introverted idiot. Because for him that's how people talk in real life, that's so realistic Peter Parker. Don't get me wrong, he is a great actor and future Oscar winner, I love his scene in Hacksaw Ridge "Lord help me get one more" and I repeat his scene in Social Network "Sorry my prada's at the cleaners" several times ", but apart from the Gwen death scene and him meeting his father again, his acting wasn't so good in those movies. These movies also have the worst Spiderman villains with the worst motivations, Lizard looked like a Goomba from the Super Mario Movie and his plan to turn the human race into giant lizards is ridiculous, Electro is apparently envious of all the attention Spiderman gets. receives, Rhino even appearing in posters and trailers is only in the movie to set up future sequels, and while Harry Osborn is the least worst of these villains his villain arc is completely ruined by horrible writing. Peter's parents thing, I understand they had to add some innovation to the movie so it doesn't look like a cliché Spider-Man movie anymore, just like the MCU movies added Iron Man, trip to europe and multiverse, which stayed very good, but the reality is that nobody gives a shit about Peter's parents and it only gets worse because they stretch this plot for the second movie. And Spiderman in the movies suffers "character derailment" in the first movie Uncle Ben scolds him about responsibility comes the bridge scene to show that Peter actually learned something from Uncle Ben's advice, but in the second movie when Sytsevich walks through the busy streets of New York with his truck, Spider-Man, after landing on this truck, just sits there and starts making jokes, effectively allowing Sytsevich to kill and injure several people in the process, and doesn't even try to stop him. To make matters worse, he even allows Sytsevich to fire his gun through the truck's window and into the open crowd instead of trying to disarm it, again putting innocent lives in danger.

For me the only saviors of these films were Emma Stone and to a lesser extent Dane Dehaan.

​@@itswariotime7543what do you find interesting then ? In MCU Spiderman? Tom Holland's acting over Andrew's ? Really?????

Ehh, Insomniac is cool, but not that great, Spectacular is AMAZING, and i would even throw 94 TAS spiderman in there, but Raimi Spiderman 2 will always be the best.

Dont forget Into The Spider-Verse

@@aplotholesfiller8827 Finally someone remembered the 94 cartoon, the Spectacular version is pretty great but I think it's high praises kinda overshadows the 94 version, which is the most important one

The animated series is heart-warming sometimes

Insomniac spidey is overrated

So do I. If I were to have a favorite, it would be Andrew. He is treated like crap by the fandom and his movies are way too overhated (although I see and understand why people would think so) but they have a lot of redeeming qualities and maybe, just maybe, Andrew would come back as Spider-Man and keep doing the TASM movies, but without Sony interfering with the director and trying to sell toys for money.

@@victorcapote7376 I think the best is Tom but my favourite will always be Andrew

@@sharkbait22 I understand and respect with your answer.

The bank scene alone

@@king_poyo64 ikr

lmao you are literally a carbonite copy of cosmonaut variety hour.

I don't even like TASM movies but the bias and hate you had against them when held against how butthurt you were at people's criticism against MCU Spider-Man was hilarious. Simplifying and misrepresenting their arguments to a primitive nature so you make them look unreasonable to help get your points across. You acting like the movies are so god awful that anyone who likes them is delusional, then you try to cover your gatekeeping with "it's fine if you like them" after acting so appalled and disgusted by them. Belittling people who disagree with you then bash people for participating in the same incel behavior. Hypocrite.

Oh behave of master windu take a seat. Ok spider man fans as we deep dive into star wars...

@@freebandz4332 that was harsh asf but i partly agree. lol Like soooo many youtubers blanket their hot takes with "if you like it GREAT! Im SO happy for you if you like it. BUT..." like bro just say what you want to say. don't pretend like you're some beacon of fair judgement showing us mortals how to think about movies. you're just as biased as we are except you have a platform to state your opinion in the form of a one sided conversation. of course stating your opinion through a well thought out video is fine but man I hate reverse gate keeping.

​@@lightdemon2169 To you it may seem harsh but every film discussion KZfaqr does this. Eventually you get sick of the contradictory arguments and hypocrisy.

Yeah agreed

@@ed7781 biases really are something else

it's hilarious because he whines and moans so much about behavior that he actively partakes in during the video.

There is a difference in hating a good movie and disliking an actual bad movie

Personally I think it's fine. You can't be expected to like every single adaptation of the character. Both the MCU movies and the Rami movies are pretty highly rated amongst audiences and critics. As well as performing well at the box office. For all accounts they're pretty good movies and people tend to like them. Amazing spiderman was a decent film, but the second one bombed hard. It's not exactly a popular series among audiences and no matter how you feel about critics, it got rated pretty low to boot. Is it fair to say "how can you like these two well received adaptations but not like this other, arguably much worse adaptations?"

They only do it tho to see peters expressions which just feels dumb if they wanted to do that they would of made it comic accurate like in the comics with the eyes squinting and stuff look how well it works for tom Hollands Peter you don't need to tare your suit every fight other why's it takes the meaning away when peter fights a powerful villain and again they just tare his mask that's what they tried to do with spiderman 3 but because you saw it in every movie you just thought it was another villain but actually there were some very powerful villains in the that movie so u can see that when you do the same thing every movie it loses its affect and they only did it so the audience could see his emotions but when you blow the right side of your face of every single movie just to see someone's emotions is useless that's all I'm going to say

@@Abcdhdbenfndn maguires suit tearing as much as it did showed a slighter realism to it...theres is no way in hell you get into those type of fights and come out with a scratch hell no yo shirt pants and mask is gonna fucked up...for tom holland he has a stark made suit so obviously its more durable

@@THED4RKPHARA0H yeah but they only do it to show his expression also his suit was unrealistic for a 18 year old who is poor as fuck to make a suit that good also the mcu does that in a different way in homecoming he gets beat up his jumper gets ripped but they don't break his mask cause he shouldn't the only reason why they did it in spiderman 2 and 3 is because they wanted the audience to see his expression but in the first one it was realistic getting blown up in the face well rip a mask but apart from that the next 2 shouldn't tare a mask his mask ripped in number 3 because sand man wacked him hard like no that's unrealistic that shouldn't even scratch him but in the mcu in far from home you see bullet wounds and fire damage on his suit and you see the damage on the suit because your meant to imagine if his mask was ripped and his suit was ripped that's dumb like I bet you anything that in no way home you will see tares in his suit and maybe in his mask cause he's going against green goblin electro doc ock lizard scorpion and the last unknown sixth villain and I bet that Tobey Maguire peter if he shows up won't have as many tares cause he's not supposed to he can have some in his suit but his mask will just be unrealistic

@@Abcdhdbenfndn "wacked him hard" sand man was a big ass monster the size of a tower 🤣 i like you,you not a super damn idiot about spiderman...but also if we're being honest sam raimis trilogy came out during the limitations of technology...but even then these movies were great...even "bully" maguire had some highlights (okay it was like 2 highlights)

@@THED4RKPHARA0H That's the reason I like them that was an amazing movie for it's era it came out at the same time that the prequels for star wars came out and was as good quality wise I'm damn impressed with those movies and I remember watching Sam raimis trilogy when I was younger before tom Holland's spiderman came out and I loved it but then a couple years later and Tom Hollands spiderman came out and I haven't watched Sam raimis since yes I like Sam raimis and I could watch it again and enjoy it but I just haven't because I would rather watch spiderman homecoming or far from home not because I hate the movies just because I love the mcu's version of spiderman I even don't mind Andrew Garfields movies and I know a lot of people hate those movies but for me I like Sam raimis movies for it's fight scenes seems real and didn't have many flips or stunts that's something I enjoy tom Holland's spiderman because it feels like the comics come to life you know that line that fury says in far from home when giving peter the glasses well that is just an older version I believe of great power comes great responsibility basically saying that tony stark was uncle Ben to peter in the mcu which i love that character arc Tobey Maguire will always have a special place in my heart for being the spiderman franchise that made me fall in love with but Tom Holland will always be my favorite

Mysterio was definitely the best part of that movie without a doubt

Yeah, I agree. I don't think the concept of a roasters vacation getaway movie works that well for a character like Spider-Man. Plus new york is an essential part of Peter's identity, I wish they showed more of the new york side in the movies and the civilians, and had more scenes of him swinging around the city.

Homecoming is a legit great spider man film. Far from home has actually no tension in the slightest

far from home was definitely better

The 1 billion dollars box office proves it and the 99% ratings

As big Spider-Man fan, I somewhat agree. I'm an avid reader of the comics and I personally think Spider-Man PS4 is the best interpretation of the character in media (Along with Spectacular Spider-Man) As for films, I love MCU Spider-Man and I think they are great movies but I don't think they are good "Spider-Man" movies. I enjoy Homecoming and Far From Home but I can't enjoy them as Spider-Man stories because Tom's interpretation is so far from the Peter from the comics. His motivation can be off like wanting to become an Avenger or not wanting to save the world because of a school trip, the Parker Luck isn't there (even when it happens, he gets forgiven). Uncle Ben, the reason he even becomes Spider-Man is almost non-existent. Even so, I still really like Tom's version - I like that Tom acts like a believable teenager, MCU borrowed Miles Morales supporting cast from the comics (Ned acting as Peter's Ganke) but that's not bad thing, Peter has been mostly alone in Raimi's trilogy and TASM but I like that MCU has a fun supporting cast to back up Peter. Tom's villains are really likeable and No Way Home looks really hype, we see him deal with his identity crisis and how it affects those closest to him.

They can't act like that because people like JezzalsSmol don't actually like Spider-Man. They just like one interpretation of him and that's it. Also, that comic book accuracy argument is total BS. The comics have different versions of Spider-Man, so when discussing accuracy, can he be like the Steve Ditko version, the Ultimate version, a mix, etc.? Because of this, there's no definitive answer for what makes a Spider-Man movie good. Why do people even compare these movies to previous iterations? Have they ever thought in their pea-sized brains that these movies are supposed to be different from the Raimi ones? The people that are making these movies believe that change should be allowed, which is a lesson that Into The Spider-Verse made for the toxic Spider-Man fans, but those morons didn't understand the message of that film at all. These ignorant fans try to find stuff that could be considered bad with criticisms that aren't actually there at all. I hate this fanbase so much that if anyone disagrees with my statement, don't bother replying because you just can't accept the truth that what you think Spider-Man needs to always have in a movie isn't objectively right. Here's something that's objectively right though: if you're a Spider-Man fan like HiTop Films, The Amazing Lucas, and The Lightning Rod, you're actually a Spider-Man hater, and you're automatically cancer to society. All of you deserve consequences for your actions, like being banned from Internet platforms. That's something you always want to see with Spider-Man, right? Being entitled, bullying, harassing, gatekeeping, making invalid criticisms, lying, manipulating, being unfair, sending death threats, etc. Those are indications that you clearly don't understand Spider-Man and are actually not fans. At this point, this fanbase is a cult, and it needs to be taken down.

@@supersaiyanfox9190 At the end of the day, those were my opinions. People can agree or disagree. In fairness, I should've clarified that I was referring to 616 Spider-Man as I believe that should be the standard when making comparisons to the comics. Let me clarify, I like MCU Spider-Man. Pretty sure I was very vocal about liking it, even though it was different. Which is in line with what you said, that Spider-Man films can be different and I agree. I also did not compare MCU Spidey to the Raimi Trilogy or TASM except when I stated MCU's cast is more fun than it's previous iterations but that's just my opinion. I like Tom's performance, his smarts, his charisma, etc. I'm just not a fan of the decisions they went with. I didn't like the absence of Uncle Ben, he is a key part in Spider-Man mythos. Tom can have both Uncle Ben and Tony as father figures, Uncle Ben for Peter and Tony as a mentor for becoming a hero. They could incorporate Uncle Ben into the story without him being in it (Spider-Man PS4 did this very well). Something I wish there was more of is the stakes when Peter puts on the mask - when something goes right for Spider-Man, something goes wrong for Peter and vice versa. That's just the Parker Luck that has been a staple in Spider-Man stories since it's conception but it was missing in the MCU until No Way Home gave us a glimpse of that, his victory over Mysterio was overshadowed by the reveal of Spider-Man's identity in turn ruining Peter's life. I love it, it's refreshing and it's never been done before in the live action movies. These are monumental aspects of Peter's life, so I think it's a shame if they're taken out. People can have things they like and dislike, it's just being human. I believe every live action iteration has its flaws. I love the Raimi Trilogy but it's clearly not perfect, Andrew Garfield is my favourite Spider-Man but his movies were not well received, MCU is refreshing but some decisions were questionable. Even so, I like each iteration in their own right. Something you said I do agree with is the gatekeeping of some fans. Fans who harass, criticise and threaten other fans, simply because they don't think the same way is sickening. It's a major issue within the community and it's shame that it's likely never going to go away. I am a bit off put when you said Spider-Man haters are automatically cancer to society. I think that's a bit much.

Yep. You already have Sam raimi spider man. So you want to see that kind of movie again and again and again. I honestly happy mcu spider man take a different way.

@@jezzaissmol we got a Spider Chad here like me

True. I mean, the TASM movies did do some things better than Tobey’s and Tom’s Spider-Man which is the cgi, the soundtrack (I would say Danny Elfman made the best soundtrack, but Hans Zimmer made a great soundtrack that I would consider it to be equal), the action (because it is the most modern and looks great with cgi from the later 2000s), and some of the chemistry with the characters (mostly with Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone). And let’s not forget the suits. Sure, some people might not like or even hate the first TASM suit, but it still looks good, and the TASM 2 suit was just beautiful.

TASM had some great elements, but a lot of them were simply executed poorly. I dont think Sony had a lot of stake in the film which is why they got a newbie director. Its a shame considering the actors were so heavily invested in the movies. The director knew who spiderman was and what he should act like, but obv had no idea who Peter Parker was or what he should act like.

@@yderga8707 Mark Webb knew. He just wanted to make everyone feel more human, more realistic.

@@yderga8707 He could’ve done some awesome things with the story and the characters, but Sony interfered because they wanted money.

@@victorcapote7376 hell no. Yes, the TASM movies did better CGI and cinematography, no way in hell did they have a better soundtrack. His Soundtrack is bland and forgettable as hell, while Tobey's is great, bold, and super memorable. No offense to the great Hans Zimmer, but this is not among his good works.

I don't think it will be a clusterf*ck i mean if Spiderverse was able to include multiple spidermen in one movie and make it work Marvel Studios will have no problem.

@@Damienp3902 The issue is with the villains, and the added spidermen.

@@jasoncastlecomedy Spiderverse also had a ton of villains, 3 of which actually getting some focus (Kingpin, Prowler, and Doc Ock). It depends on how much focus they give these villains

Is it even a spiderman movie series if they don't end up with way too many villains for the runtime

@@alexinitalics188 Lol that’s true, by the time NWH comes out all 4 Spider-Man franchises (including ITSV) will have movies with tons of villains

Btw in the Spider-Man 1 novelization it's explained how that's exactly how Raimi Peter got his suit, getting his costume made by a suit maker for wrestlers, so the "Peter couldn't make a suit look that professional." complaint doesn't work

@@mwh616 it does in the context of a movie. when critiquing movies, you can't use the "oh outside material explains X" it explains it, but it doesn't eliminate that critique from the movie.

Kinda overhyped tbh

@@lancethefilmguy9392 not overhyped

@@GabesEdtiz Do not get me wrong. It is a great movie with Magnificent Animation. I just don't think it is better than Spider-Man 2

Best one is opinion. Very good movie and well made is objective facts.

Oh yeah, not even a competition

Yup I mean not the movie but the story does suck....

@@itszian7241 In my opinion it doesnt. Its straight from the comics

@@kingkong9892 The way they executed the story was bad and yes the script was also bad

@@kingkong9892 that is nothing how it’s executed in the comics

@@Gooooofey Yes it is. Thr lizard has tried to turn everyone into lizards multiple times

That’s so true, why would a teenager with years left at school have to struggle for rent lmao. Made sense obviously with Tobey because he was older, but it’s not at all a fair criticism of MCU spiderman

@@BurgoYT Exactly. People just want the new Spider-Man movies to be exactly like Tobey so I think that’s one of the reasons why they would use that criticism even tho ones a teenager and the other is a adult. The other reason why I say this is because back in 2019 when Sony was gonna take Spider-Man out of the MCU people were saying stuff like “oh great now we can have movies that’s similar and just as good as the rami ones.” (Although I think Tom and Tobey’s trilogies were both really good) and I believe this KZfaqr the amazing Lucas said that before. But I’m like you guys do know that these are the same people who ruined Spider-Man 3 and TASM2 and miss-used this character right? Plus last time I checked Sam Rami isn’t directing Tom’s movies so how would they know it would turn out good for all we know we could’ve gotten another TASM2 scenario. Also we actually do see Peter in the MCU have some money problems but it’s to the extent to what a teenager would have. Like in homecoming he had a outdated smartphone that would continue to get broken, a broken laptop being held together by ductape and his backpack got stolen and couldn’t afford one so he had to walk to school with books in his hands. Then in FFH and in a deleted scene in FFH it’s explained that Peter had to sell his collectibles to afford going on the trip and getting MJ her necklace. So it’s pretty evident that he’s poor and faces money problems, just money problems a teenager would struggle with and not money problems a adult would like paying bills and rent. Sorry if this is too long btw.

@@t.j.1584 all good, yeah I agree for sure

I was just about to write the argument of the consequences thing! (Apart from the stark back end stuff, i still dont see the movie portraying peter have their financial support apart from using their shits to make his ffh suit) but what bothers me about the consequences argument is that he directly referenced and even showed HiTop films argument on it but didnt even touched on the things in HiTop’s arguments (about consequences such as his social circles). HiTop never really states that the movie needed someone to die to be deemed as consequences, so it was weird for this video essay to make the argument of “death = consequences”, especially after showing HiTop’s argument.

@@DiePieCLOCK I agree

Honestly makes me hate the Raimi movies a little, out of spite.

Yup, and now I find people a lot of people passing criticism on it too like calling webbing too shiny, and the eyes being too small. Such a bunch of ungrateful people.

No matter what, Spiderman fans can never be satisfied, even if they get what they want, They just got NWH which literally gave them everything they said they wanted, Tobey and Andrew, past villains, Doctor Strange, literally everything they said they wanted but now all of a sudden NWH is "horrible" "mid" "bad" "nostalgia-based" but you guys literally asked for it so why are you hating on it? 🤣 "oh there's no plot" from the way you guys were describing it, the movie wouldn't have any plot by YOUR writing and you guys literally got everything you said you wanted so then again why are you complaining again???

It's definitely because Otto's mind is taken over again. I just rewatched Spider-Man 2 and noticed that when Otto is in control, the lights on the tentacles glow white, not red. When he was in the river, the tentacles were white, and in the NWH trailer, they clearly glow red, therefore he's not in control.

That's because the mcu Spider-Man movies were so bad they made people realize how good we had it with the amazing Spider-Man movies.

I always been an TASM 2 fan. It's just the first one I nvr liked at all. And people need to stop equating good movies with good characters. Alot of people aren't directly saying the amazing Spider-Man movies are better bc Mcu Spiderman is the worst Spiderman. The Mcu Spiderman have great enjoyable movies which I don't like bc of this versions of Spiderman but the reason people like Andrew is bc Andrew plays a better Spiderman. Even if movie is garbage, his character is all they liked ab him over Tom. To me.... Tobey: Better Peter Parker Andrew: Better Spiderman Tom: the Worst Miles Morales

@@junaydfisher211 Nah, fanboys just go brrr

No

It's because the kids that grew up with the amazing spiderman are now in their teenage years what means they are the most active on social media. That's why you can now see some people defending these movies.

Ok that's fair.

when it comes to swinging scenes alone, I love the entirety of TASM 1&2 lmao you can just feel the gravity, weight, and everything else that you feel when you swing around giant buildings

@@thisiswrathspeaking2057 swinging secens in tasm are cool and more realistic But the raimi ones are epic and memorable

i miss the swinging scenes but i also think it fits that we don't see one till FFH, since FFH and hoco are kinda all about putting spidey where he doesnt belong. i hope we get a huge final swing in NWH

Because opinions exist and that’s life

@@National7575 yeah I guess it's all subjective, at the end of the day if you like a movie then it's a good movie to you.

@@maxjax977 yeah

@@maxjax977 but I don’t get how people are like I don’t understand why people hate this and can’t just admit that’s it’s probably not good but it’s fun and good time for watch

I really liked all 3 of the franchises. Raimi is still my favorite, and MCU is my least favorite, but i still think they're all pretty good.

There wasn't really an opportunity to dwell on it though with all the time that passed and half the universe coming back. By the time Far From Home starts, May's known his identity for at least a year even accounting for the blip. Sure, they could've had her react a different way, but there wasn't really time to go in depth with her reaction without slowing the movie to a halt to talk about it.

@@ponodude101 "Sure, they could've had her react a different way, but there wasn't really time to go in depth with her reaction without slowing the movie to a halt to talk about it." Then why not do it at the start of the film? Why not get it out of the way at the beginning? Simple. Because the writers don't want to add drama to these films that relate to spider-man. And talking about that would break the (stupidly added) comedic tone they crowbar into it

@@proto245 I think because this is the MCU, and FFH take place after Endgame, and not to mention a lot of movie that came after Homecoming, then yeah, i think May probably had pep talk with Peter about him being Spiderman off screen, and slowly fine with it, Considering the gap between Infinity War was a year after Homecoming, then it kinda make sence in FFH that May seems calm that Peter was Spiderman. And also for the drama, if Jonn Wats want to, then he will do it, cause just because MCU Spiderman was more comedic, its not always fiiled with sunshine and rainbow. (Hell Aunt May death In NWH for example had a lot of people cried out loud, the fight with Mysterio in FFH, that rubble scene in Homecoming for example)

They should have totally saved it for a post credit scene

Because he was wasting time many people were killed.

@@iamahuman6402 bro, did you watch the movie? Absolutely no one was killed during that Rhino chase sequence, if you hate TASM, fine, but don't make up shit about it to justify your opinion bro.

@@henrydikes6704 I would find it suprising if no one was killed from a giant truck ramming though and flipping cars, and people with machine guns open firing on a street filled with cop cars. If nobody got killed, they definitely went to the hospital. I'll rephrase from "many" to a "couple" though, because it's possible no one died (depending on the fitness of the people in the cars). Still alot of property damage and hospitalizations if they were lucky.

@@iamahuman6402 the reason why he cracked joke is that if you watched Raimi's Spider-Man,you'll know how his spider sense works,so if anyone was in danger he would know

@@TimeWarrior14 spider sense is enhanced senses, not the prediction of the future. If it was a prediction he would have predicted that people would get hurt if he didn't stop Rhino. I'm not understanding what your point either way.

Tobey sucks

@Yeah It’s Seth nah, you tweakin

@@sethurott9927 > Tom Holland

If I’m being honest the Tobey Stans are just as bad. Half of them won’t respect your opinion if you like Tom or Andrew more than Tobey

@@Mostwantedtbest hard disagree

What do you think about TASM 2 overall?

@@victorcapote7376 It is trying to be like 3 films at the same time. A conspiracy about his parents, A green goblin origin story that leads to Gwen's death, and a Sinister Six lead up that is leeched onto the other two in the form of Electro.

@@sombramemer1230 It was a mess of a plot, but I still enjoyed it

@@sombramemer1230 peter didn't forget about uncle bens killer he just knew that he was looking for him out of vengeance and he didn't want to be a vengeful person anymore. So that's why he stopped looking for him

Eh Spiderman 3 I dislike more actually I kinda hate Spiderman 3 in my opinion. They ruined the relationship of MJ and Peter. Harry losing his memory and then gaining it back was weird and disappointing. Sandman killing Ben was weird and rushed. The whole thing was a mess and Venom was awful. I don't blame Rami at all it was studio interference and thats why I dislike even more cause the studio crapped all over Rami's vision. When will they learn to stop interfering with directors original visions.

Did that happen in one of the (non-cannon) Ultimate spider-man team ups? Because Ultimate Spidey barely had any interaction with most of the Ultimates sans Nick Fury and Cap. He also never truly idolize any of them, nor was it ever mentioned sans from one time Aunt May told Cap Peter idolized hkm on his funeral.

@@nb2044 Carol makes the proposal in USM vol2 #150, Tony acts upon it in #153-154 and sends Pete new web-shooters in #155. During those issues Spidey calls himself Stark's and Cap's 'big fan' and MJ says Aunt May knows he 'worships' Tony. All of that happens right before Peter dies, and that story's obviously canon, 155 is labeled as prelude to the Death, so the issues are pretty much canon as well. There were some other appearances of IM, although true, rare. And I definitely remember there was a time when Peter was desperate and he was searching for help, swinging by Baxter building due to his history with FF and the Ultimates' hq as he thought they're the real superheroes he probably can trust. So overall, again, it's true Ultimates weren't prominent in Spidey's comic, but when they were brought up, Peter would be described as a fan Not as big of a fan as in MCU, but the idea is there and movies never follow original ideas in the exact way. Peter still fought his fights without Tony though, otherwise it'd cross the line but that luckily didn't happen, and RDJ was meant to leave soon from 2016, so I'm glad we got the friendship between them while we could. And since Holland's series was seen as Harry Potter style long growing up story, I believe he'll have time to move on in adult years and start creating his own legacy (unless Sony screws things up)

The TASM movies were the weakest ones, but I wouldn't consider them terrible, they still have some strengths, one being that Andrew Garfield nailed the role in my opinion. If there's one thing these movies all have in common, it's that they all have pretty good casting, especially the Raimi movies.

Sheev looks at the comments and goes “this was the plan all along!”

I would love to see that. If the actors had a better script and if Sony wasn’t all in Marc Webb’s business, then the movie would’ve been so much better. And that’s why I want to see a Webb Cut. #ReleasetheWebbCut

If they unfloofed his hair, took away his skateboard and made him an actual nerd i think he would've been great. I love the actor and think he deserved better writing.

@@yderga8707 So now nerds cant ride skateboards. Woah didn't know riding skateboards was a personality trait

@@kingkong9892 *facepalm* the idea behind the word nerd means someone who is more academic and studious than sporty. So no, I dont picture Peter Parker being a suave dude with gelled hair skateboarding around and slam dunking on people in basketball. For that matter the only reason Gwen liked him (or even noticed him) was because she was a nerd too and they shared science together. Not because he went around smooth talking and biting his lip like a knock off one direction member. Obviously irl stereotypes like that don't exist, but were not talking about real life were talking about comic book characters where Peter was intentionally designed to look like a clumsy nerd that had a weaker frame that would blend into a crowd, and was often picked on by others. If you like his character fine, but its simply not the Peter from the comics i read growing up.

@@yderga8707 Well TASM is a more realistic take on the character and in todays world like you said a nerd can be anyone. So who says peter parker can't have gel in his hair.

Same honestly. I'm 20, I never saw the Raimi films because I was a literal baby and I grew up with Andrew as Spiderman.

@@Eleni1002 same! i'm 22. my brother watched the raimi films so i watched them but i wasnt really interested. i was 13 when tasm came out and those were the ones i watched cause /i/ liked them

'04 kid here. Although I didn't watch the Raimi films when they first came out, I still consider them a part of my childhood because I still watched and loved them as a kid. The same goes for many other movies, such as the Star Wars films (Both Originals and Prequels), Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, and many other older films. You can never be too young.

Indeed

The suit looks good, but the eye parts are too dark imo. If they were more goldish or even silver it would look better I think

Also he made it himself and in a realistic way, he bought the spandex online. And used some Oscorp technology. Most people seem to hate it just because of the yellow eyes, and I get that, but the rest of the suit looks great and like something that Peter would make.

@@junaydfisher211 Peter Parker, cosplayer.

I am also Team Andrew. Now, I also disagreed with his opinion, but I respect it and I see where he is coming from. Sure, not many people may not like or could even hate the first TASM suit, but it is very accurate because Peter got a spandex suit, used a watch and remodeled it to a web shooter, used sunglass lenses as his eyes, and the bottom of sneakers as his shoes. That’s how a teenager would do it. And the second TASM suit is definitely an improvement and one that we can get used to.

He's mainly calling out criticisms that are just total BS

@@Phoenix-pb4sm he is, but you can clearly see the distaste he has for the TASM movies. It's honestly kind of insulting to treat those movies like that when such a huge audience genuinely likes them. IMO those movies don't deserve the treatment of being deemed objectively bad because a huge amount of people likes them.

@@Everik-ct6pg To be fair, objectively they're terrible.

It's almost like this guy is very biased against the TASM movies and hates them blindly just like the people he's criticizing. Like, I don't love those movies either, but come on, the suit in TASM2 is beautiful. I don't get how he can say it looks bad.

Everyone have opinions....

@@Stanger5441 Yeah. The movie was shit, but the suit and the action sequences were great.

@@Stanger5441 exactly

@@Xithin87 the problem is that he doesn't explain why he hates those suits. Unlike his criticism of the movies themselves, he just says he thinks the suits look like shit and expects us to agree with him.

He doesn't say that...

Yeah...he never said that, though. But sure. Go off, I guess.

@@jeebus2313 he continually shits on tasm and praises everything else

@@kingkong9892 Okay, and? He still never said anyone was "wrong" for liking them as the OP claimed. Your point is moot.

@@jeebus2313 Hes doung the same thing for mcu Spider-Man. He says the flaws people have with them are wrong. But all the flaws he has with tasm are right

Same

Pov: you have twitter

No the movie was awful.

Why Green Goblin, he died a villain so having him come back as one makes total sense

@@IcyDiamond the goblin's pumpkin bomb appeared in the trailer I don't know I can't trust information along with theories

Lalalala A

@TheRealRogerEbert bro tf are you talking about lmao everything you said is blatantly incorrect or comes from your misinterpretation of events lmao

He uses Stark tech that's why he is iron man jr ? 😂 In that case Captain America, winter Soldier are Black panther Jr And Rhodey, Falcon are Iron man Jr 🤷 They live in Universe where so many people use Stark And Vibranium tech so if they are using it that doesn't mean they are not independent 😂😂

@@boganbott4408 he gave you facts, it's hard to ignore all of that stuff and see it that way unless you just mindlessly ignore all the plot details. It's not an interpretation it's literally the movie. Aunt May should not be fully okay with Peter being Spider-Man, she's supposed to be a motherly figure in Peter's life, yet she knows Peter is getting beat with in an inch of his life everyday and just let's him continue being Spider-Man, even helping him with Spider-Man stuff? And the only mention of uncle Ben we got was the suitcase, yet it was destroyed and Peter doesn't care? Also Peter wasn't Spider-Man for that long and they have never mentioned uncle Ben once, the most important person in his life, he's not mourning him or paying tribute, he's not using the line and that all makes it seem like uncle Ben doesn't matter in these movies.

@@junaydfisher211 we literally hear peter say a line along great powers with great responsibility in civil war

It looks like someone only knows MCU's Spider-Man.

The storyline of the insomniac Spider man video game fits that description, also the animated Into the Spiderverse

I agree with you.

Yeah I agree man, I definitely enjoyed the MCU Spider Man adaptation and the Sam Raimi Spider Man adaptation for different reasons of one another.

@@warknightxl2167 They made Peter a not independent rookie.

I grew up watching tobeys spidey, but Tom's is my favorite

@@JayPlusForerunner I grew up with andrew preferred tobey since I only watched his films saw tom he became my favorite with Tobey a close second but yea the fandom as a whole is very bad with all the toxicity it has atleast the fan spider-man from the comics will always be my favorite but I sure do hope we can all have harmony some day

@@spooder470 Exactly

Sadly we can't have that because of some Spider-Man fans but I hope the hostility tones down in the future

@@tux75 🤡

Fake fan.

​@@bakedbeans5494you are the reason why spiderman fans are so hated

honestly i feel like ffh is underrated. i acc really liked the movie and it’s not on tasm2 level

Same. I'v been arguing with so many people about this topic. So I'm glad there's a video that explains my thoughts exactly. All the rami fanboys bashing mcu spidey have some rly bad criticisms , and just hate the new ones cause there different to the old ones. So if I'm ever in another argument about this topic I'm sending them this video.