The Remaining Secrets behind Robert's Rebellion (A Song of Ice and Fire)

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2 ай бұрын

Mysteries at the end of the House Targaryen Dynasty
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@lucyfaire1980 2 ай бұрын

"Martin knows how to leave his readers hanging" Yeah 13 years to be precise.

@PewterScott 2 ай бұрын

Jamie knew exactly what he was doing when he sat on the Iron Throne. It's not exactly a comfy place to chill. It's a mountain of barbs and melted steel. It's like a 16ft climb in the books, I think.

@jerrysstories711 2 ай бұрын

Exactly. He figured that with the Targs wiped out, his father Tywin would take King's Landing and with his experience as Hand Of The King would become the new king, which would make himself heir to the throne. He was NOT just plopping down on a nearby couch cuz he was so tired!

@mcgiver6977 2 ай бұрын

Then, why Tywin didn't take the throne ? @@jerrysstories711

@akechijubeimitsuhide 2 ай бұрын

@@jerrysstories711I mean, if I had just shanked a mad tyrant, I might as well try out the chair XD

@benjyfry2162 2 ай бұрын

@jerrysstories711 He didn't really care, as indicated by his POV in the books. He considered a few different options when asked who to proclaim, after being discovered standing over Aerys' corpse by his fellow kingsguard; amongst his considerations Robert, Viserys, and Tywin. However, though I forget exactly what the line was, it was basically "I don't give a shit. Fetch whoever you want." As a member of the Kingsguard, Jamie couldn't inherit the Iron Throne, so that played no factor in it.

@jerrysstories711 2 ай бұрын

@@benjyfry2162 No. With the Targs all dead or fleeing, the nobles had to select a new king. They ultimately chose Robert B, but Tywin was a serious candidate. And a king can dismiss members of the Kingsguard, like Joff did to Sir Barristan. So yes, Jamie could have seen himself as in line for the Iron Throne that day. That's why he climbed all those stairs to sit on the uncomfortable pokey thing.

@Hoosier765 2 ай бұрын

Martin needs to build a group of writers to finish the series. Delegate and edit so we can get his vision before it's too late and someone ruins the series.

@theinfinityking7500 2 ай бұрын

I personally already wrote an ending to the books and I think it truly matches with everything martin has build

@jbtechcon7434 2 ай бұрын

If by "group of writers" you mean "Brandon Sanderson" I'm on board!

@ihmpall 2 ай бұрын

Grrm is not your b****

@svampen7782 2 ай бұрын

Martin has said in a very understandable way that he has no intention on getting a successor or anything like that.

@jbtechcon7434 2 ай бұрын

@@svampen7782 It won't be Lardbutt's decision. His publishers can forced the matter legally. If he dies first, his heirs won't hesitated to sell the rights and cash in.

@King-CosmoAlpha1 2 ай бұрын

It’s a real shame we may never get a show about Robert’s rebellion until the book series comes to an end, this just makes me want the books more.

@thalmoragent9344 2 ай бұрын

No matter how you view Robert's Rebellion, Rhaegar's plan here was insanely stupid. I hope someday we see the guy's inner thoughts in full, because man... 😅

@thorin2152 2 ай бұрын

The thing is that prophecies never come as you expect them to. And Rhaegar probably expected a daughter with Lyanna. So the whole point is that Rhaegar got the prophecy wrong as he named his son Aegon he had with Elia. Jon's real name is Aegon Targaryen. Not named by Rhaegar but by prophecy & destiny which Rhaegar misinterpreted.

@Edmures_rampant_manhood 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the continued content.

@NANINANI-cs6rn 2 ай бұрын

I think there's many that george could leave it without answer, but i still think he will explain rheagar motives in wow, but tbh im more excited about the current situation of the story

@hulksmash7960 2 ай бұрын

Well we can common sense it out. After rhagar had his second kid he said there must be one more but the doctors say that if Elia becomes pregnant again she will die, so he met lyanna at the tourney as she was the mystery knight and helped her get away, he then named her love and beauty before continuing to court her, he got her pregnant and told her that there child life will be a song of ice and fire, he leaves her at the tower protected by his 3 most skilled kingsgaurd and went to the war and died. I don't think he annulled his wedding to Elia but I do think he just took another wife and that's why he got married in dorn where polygamy is a thing.

@Gokiza 2 ай бұрын

Lyanna Girlbossing it up, just to abandon her family and get plowed by Rhager while her father and brother get murdered, then guilting and leaving the bastard from a love affair that tore the world apart to her younger brother, who literally has to betray his best friend to preserve the honor of an honorless woman would be a very GRRM thing to do lol

@Jorrane_Rei_C 2 ай бұрын

Rhaegar and Lyanna are given more grace and love than they deserve by the fandom. But I still mostly blame Rhaegar, as he was a grown ass adult who should’ve known better and Lyanna was just a sixteen year old girl who made sixteen year old girl decisions.

@X525Crossfire 2 ай бұрын

Lyanna: "Robert already has a bastard and will definitely cheat on me, so I don't want to marry him!" Also Lyanna: *runs off with a married father of two*

@carastone3473 2 ай бұрын

@@Jorrane_Rei_C I agree. People talk about them in such a romantic tone and I'm over here like, 'Hey, did you y'all forget that he left his wife and 2 small children to be with Lyanna? That's not cool!'

@carastone3473 2 ай бұрын

@@X525Crossfire - EXACTLY!!

@AC_336 2 ай бұрын

Just leaving a like to push this comment to the top

@Titantro 2 ай бұрын

If Martin doesn't want spoilers he should finish his damn books....

@danielcastaneda4975 Ай бұрын

He would probably die tomorrow

@lxfj2128 2 ай бұрын

Grrrm is never dropping those new books. His draft notes will have to suffice

@MeeloTheBoy 2 ай бұрын

Pray that he will, so many of us have been waiting patiently and will continue to wait until they are released

@King_Steffon_II 2 ай бұрын

It do be hard writing though 😅😂 I'm currently working on the second book in my Bleeding Chrysanthemums series and I have a day job as well, so sometimes I lack the iron will to do any work on it sometimes.

@BubblegumCrash332 2 ай бұрын

I think at this point it must be he wrote himself into a corner and can't figure out an ending. Add to that GRRM is a perfectionist writer, he won't scribble out a ending just to finish. He might just leave it unfinished rather than a sub par ending

@robbybeckmeyer828 2 ай бұрын

We'll hopefully get Winds, but I doubt he'll publish A Dream of Spring

@Larisa_Baya_Momo 2 ай бұрын

You don't post often, but when you do it's quality content.

@iianmitchelldub 2 ай бұрын

Alt shift x and in deep geek are great But whycreate has always been my favorite

@danielsantiagourtado3430 2 ай бұрын

Love your content! 🔥🔥🔥

@robertsmiley2207 2 ай бұрын

Super hero baby mama 😂🤣😂 most definitely

@Augustei 2 ай бұрын

"Everything you'll want to know about it will be in the upcoming books"...😢 we're never going to know them

@hulksmash7960 2 ай бұрын

Nah somebody will finish it after fat ban is gone

@yassinel7458 2 ай бұрын

I truly like watching these videos it keeps me going until HOTD comes out. When you get a chance can we get other more info on some of the best warriors and their feats ?

@DarkKing009 Ай бұрын

If Lyanna Stark was a willing participant in Rhaegar's unspeakably dumb act for the sake of some vague-ass prophecy. And if she was average intelligent knowing that her father and brother would interpret this as a form of kidnapping and she did nothing about it that would make her evil. A teenage girl could not willingly leave with a married man without it being considered kidnapping. She would be a victim or a villain.

@jacksparrow9227 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if he'll spoil Summerhall in Blood and Fire rather than Dunk and Egg

@user-bq6vh4xd1m 2 ай бұрын

I have a question: What is the benefit of mentioning Dane's references? According to the theory of r+l=j, this makes them either the end of a forgotten plot or they are useless.

@luciferstark3714 2 ай бұрын

Danes are definitely important, they still have ancient history that’s unknown, hold Dawn which is most likely light bringer, and show symbolism to our repeating history

@rhinowithInternetaccess 2 ай бұрын

@@luciferstark3714 plus george has said that there house words are a big spoiler so there still very important

@luciferstark3714 2 ай бұрын

@@rhinowithInternetaccess they’re like the hidden Heroes in the story to me, along with the reeds

@MrWizeazz 2 ай бұрын

⁠@@rhinowithInternetaccessIt’s probably “We bring the light” 😂

@lawrencereid2767 2 ай бұрын

First to take the black 🖤

@jbtechcon7434 2 ай бұрын

The coming twist in the books in that Dany is Rheagar & Lyanna's daughter. Jon Snow is Ned's nephew.

@carastone3473 2 ай бұрын

Dany was born on Dragonstone to Elia Martel. She was whisked away, along with her brother Viserys, so Robert’s assassins couldn’t kill them. Lyanna Stark was not on Dragonstone; she was in Dorne.

@jbtechcon7434 2 ай бұрын

@@carastone3473 No, the baby Elia birthed on Dragonstone is long dead, and Viserys and Illyrio lied to Dany. Dany's chapters say repeatedly that all she knows about her family and her infancy is what Illyrio and Viserys told her, because they are lying to her. Varys and Illyrio made a pact to marry Viserys to a Dornish princess and put him on the Iron Throne, remember? But if the Dornish knew that Dany was Rheagar's daughter, they'd probably try to instead marry HER to a Dornish prince and put HER on the Iron Throne--like they're currently trying to do with Myrcella Baratheton. Remember, everything is ASOIAF is from some character's POV, so we only ever read what characters think, never the objective truth.

@jerrysstories711 2 ай бұрын

You're absolutely right. R+L=J is a conclusion GRRM set readers up to jump to, but it doesn't make as much sense as R+L=D, Brandon+Ashara=Jon. The funny thing I've noticed is that more careful thoughtful readers figured this out, but then the show simplified things by just leaving Brandon and Ashara out completely and rolling with R+L=J, so all the readers who'd figured out R+L=D assumed they'd been wrong. But then when the show crapped the bed so badly, people started realizing that it wasn't a reliable guide to the books, and the R+L=D theory has resurged. Why can Dany control dragons, when the other Targs lost the ability long ago? Is it the power of being a strong woman? Nope, she just has the recessive Targ dragon-controlling gene AND the Stark warging gene.

@AerionTargaryen24 2 ай бұрын

This may sound kinda crazy but what if jon and dany are both twins that physically took after the other Jon looks like lyanna and Dany looks like rhaegar but one with north and one went south bc of their looks and Dany was given too viserys as the last valyrian known and she was raised too believe she was his sister. Since we know Rhaella kept having miscarriages so her magically having a healthy baby as her last child is kinda crazy and maybe Jon and Dany are like Luke and Leia Skywalker and both are prophecy babies. But i do believe Jon is the song of ice and fire coming from two long lines of two ancestors who were from the lands of always winter and the land of always summer.

@jbtechcon7434 2 ай бұрын

@@AerionTargaryen24 Well, that a neato idea and all, but the backstory of Ashara and Ned's bro's betrothal to Cat Tully point to Jon being Brandon's son by Ashara.

@welcome2thepond714 2 ай бұрын

What about the mystery of the Frey apprentice that pushed Liana to go into the tournament? A character was such a minor spot is the spark that kind of started the whole book series

@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 Ай бұрын

Are people still thinking that was Lyanna?

@stomper5432 2 ай бұрын

STANNIS IS THE TRUE RIGHTFUL KING!!!

@jerrysstories711 2 ай бұрын

6:00 Ashara gave birth to Ned's brother Brandon Stark's son, Jon Snow. Ned agreed to take the baby a raise it as his own son. But to protect Stark family honor and oaths, Ned had to marry Cat Tully in place of his dead brother, lie about Jon's parentage, and lie about Jon being younger than Robb and hence not heir to Winterfell. This is why Honorable Ned lied for years, because he was putting Stark family honor above his personal honor.

@jerrysstories711 2 ай бұрын

Also, Dany is Rheagar and Lyanna's child, born in the Tower of Joy. Viserys and Ilyrio lied to her about her being Rhaegar and Visery's sister.

@cjsdizzy 2 ай бұрын

Is this your personal theory or is this a common theory on the fandom? I'm super interested

@jerrysstories711 2 ай бұрын

@@cjsdizzy Well, it's what I figured out while reading the books, but R+L=J just seemed like a red herring from GRRM, a conclusion we were meant to jump to. I found other people online who saw it too, but a lot of them figured they were wrong when the show kept things simpler and went with R+L=J. But after the show discredited itself completely, people started talking about R+L=D again.

@silverwolfe3636 2 ай бұрын

@@jerrysstories711 R+L=J is not super obvious in the text, and only became so well known because of the show. It also makes the most sense narratively and I doubt GRRM will change that simply because the show fizzled at the end.

@jerrysstories711 2 ай бұрын

@@silverwolfe3636 No, sorry, R+L=J is the conclusion every casual reader jumps to, as GRRM intended. But throughout the books, GRRM lays out indirectly evidence for R+L=D & B+A=J. It was the clown show writers who changed the story by going with R+L=J to keep things simpler. GRRM will press on with what he's been building toward all along, R+L=D. Give the books another careful read.

@johntorres2565 2 ай бұрын

Those books are never coming out.

@Trucker0308 2 ай бұрын

I believe we’ll learn that the only way Robert was so able to get a clear shot on Rhagar was by cheap shotting him.

@starcusmcr3964 2 ай бұрын

Nah, robert was just a monster.

@Trucker0308 2 ай бұрын

@@starcusmcr3964 and dude Rhagaer was a skilled warrior, just look at his son. Now what I’m saying is just a theory but you gotta admit that George RR Martin left a little wiggle room regarding that situation.

@brunoperez5062 2 ай бұрын

Robert would not go for a cheat shot,all agree that rhaehar was overconfident when he fought robert,though he did manage to injure him,robert was a 6 feet and a half giant who wieleded a giant hammer and was an incredible fighter@Rocco0308

@DarkKing009 2 ай бұрын

Rhaegar is on his way to commit yet another unspeakably dumb act for the sake of some vague-ass prophecy.

@mrinternet5877 2 ай бұрын

we will never know because he will never finish the book series, so after he dies hbo should make the show hopefully he left some notes behind

@DarkKing009 2 ай бұрын

Rhaegar the toothless dragon would lose to Robert the Stag.

@yalhexander5641 Ай бұрын

I really hope this all ends like a Hamlet. Everyone kills everyone else and all the main players for the Throne end up dead and Young Grif ends up walking into the thrown room with everyone dead and just takes the throne with no fighting right after everyone kills each other XD

@Al4___ 2 ай бұрын

George might want to finish the books, but I don't think he can

@Randy.Bobandy 2 ай бұрын

Okay

@pooloftim8263 Ай бұрын

Some parts of stories are MUCH BETTER left to our imaginations through lore (see several Star Wars movies). No need for Robert’s Rebellion, better stories to see…

@melanoidmarkus 2 ай бұрын

👍🏾⭕️👌🏾

@nicoleodeons 2 ай бұрын

im a staunch ashara married howland truther. Ashara's body was never recovered, she's said to have a girl, but not all the rumors say the baby died and Meera is right age to be said baby girl

@johntorres2565 2 ай бұрын

Bloodraven is not half-Targaryen. He was legitimized. He is full Targaryen. As much as all of any Targaryen who has kids with someone not a Targaryen. You wouldn’t call Robb “half-Stark”

@redrenegade13 2 ай бұрын

Good point but 1 step further, Bloodraven isn't a Targaryen at all, not anymore anyway. He was convicted of a crime, exiled to the Night's Watch and he swore their vows, giving up his House and surname. He's just Bryden now. Like Aemond is just Maester Aemond.

@johntorres2565 2 ай бұрын

@@redrenegade13 they still call Denys Mallister, Jeor Mormont, Benjen Stark, Samwell Tarly, Janis Slynt, Alliser Thorne, etc. by their last names. Maester Aemon doesn’t have his last name anymore because maesters give up their house name to serve the realm.

@Manofthewhiteknife 2 ай бұрын

Great video... what do you think of HR+AD=MEERA?? Also Howland Reed is the reason Robert's rebellion started.. he has all the information we need...Ashara is alive and well in the neck...

@Jorrane_Rei_C 2 ай бұрын

Assuming Howland was the one who 360 no-scoped Arthur Dayne, it seems callous of Ashara to be hiding out in the swamp and happily playing house with her brothers killer. We don’t know the relationship between the siblings but I doubt Arthur was a real cvnt for Ashara to dishonour his memory like that. Even if Howland was the one she was in love with, I think him killing her brother kills the romance right there. And no she was just Elia’s lady-in-waiting and didn’t have to hide out like a wanted fugitive all this time. It seems like she hasn’t informed her family of her whereabouts going by little Ned Dayne still believing his aunt is dead.

@UnqualifiedReviews 2 ай бұрын

I'm on the side of Ashara slept with Howland Reed at the Tournament and is living with him now. There is no reason otherwise for Ned to go to her 1st over taking the men who died with him back to the North. She knew the truth about Jon and the connection with her being pregnant Mira Reed that gives Ned and Howland every reason to go straight there instead of back north.

@redrenegade13 2 ай бұрын

Except him taking the bodies of his men home would be an insane decision to make whenever that's a months-long journey back North and Starfall is right next door. Obviously, returning Dawn would be first.

@queenxx1690 2 ай бұрын

Ashara had daughter not son

@jerrysstories711 2 ай бұрын

Ashara had a son, Jon Snow, by Ned's brother Brandon.

@queenxx1690 2 ай бұрын

@@jerrysstories711 What ? where are proofs ?

@jerrysstories711 2 ай бұрын

@@queenxx1690 I put more details in other comments on this vid. But if you reread the books with attention to the side stories, there's evidence galore that R+L=D, and Brandon+Ashara=Jon

@queenxx1690 2 ай бұрын

@@jerrysstories711 Brandon cannot be Ashara's baby daddy because he was imprisoned by Aerys

@jerrysstories711 2 ай бұрын

@@queenxx1690 Do I really need to explain this? Brandon got Ashara pregnant BEFORE he was imprisoned and killed.

@kadimusbaratheon7352 2 ай бұрын

I never understood why Lyanna would be into Rheagar. Wasn't she supposed to be a tomboy or something? Why would she fall in love old school style for a knight in shining armor? That always seemed like a very out-of-character thing to me. And even further. If Lyanna fell in love with a knight in shining armor, Robert would be the same as Rheagar minus the harp. Now I just realized that Lyanna destroyed her entire family, caused a war, and killed tens of thousands of people because she had a crush on a musician. 😂😂😂😂 You CAN NOT make this shit up. Lmfao 😂😂😂😂 Edit: I'm done discussing this subject with Lyanna apologists as if she didn't started a war that killed thousands of people and destroyed her own family just because she had a crush on the son of the president (I ain't saying she a gold digger..). Deuces.

@carastone3473 2 ай бұрын

Just because a women is less stereotypically ‘girly,’ doesn’t mean she is incapable of falling in love with a knight. If you watched the show AT ALL, it’s easy to see how different Rhaegar is from Robert in so many ways.

@kadimusbaratheon7352 2 ай бұрын

@@carastone3473 You really missed my point.

@jerrysstories711 2 ай бұрын

Well, I've seen plenty of tomboys suddenly turn into blush girlies when a handsome fellow winked at them. Also, Rheagar and Robert were VERY different people. Robert was a brusk oaf who could barely read, while Rheager was beautiful, learned, and elegant. As for crushes, if you haven't noticed the Starks have a family habit of acting impulsively on their crushes, to the ruin of their family!

@kadimusbaratheon7352 2 ай бұрын

@@jerrysstories711 So you believe in the fact that she was a strong/independent whaman who didn't need no man at the beginning of the story. Then out of nowhere she became Juliet and ran into the sunset with a strong and conservative male? You don't see ANYTHING wrong in this? Nothing?

@svampen7782 2 ай бұрын

Robert might been knighted but he was no Knight. The man was a glottenous, Lustful, Wrathful big boy with a hammer. He was well known fornicator even after he was bethrothed to Lyanna. So no Robert is not Rhaegar minus the harp not to mention that Rhaegar was far better looking. While Rhaegar and Lyanna's actions led to certain events they themselves did not start the war because it could've been resoloved without a war, it was Aerys with no foresight that caused the war. Brandon did display hostile intentions towards Rhaegar but if Aerys wasnt mad he would've recognized the shit show that could unfold unless he handled it with care which we know he didnt.

@KingSlayer_. 2 ай бұрын

Sydney Sweeney for Ashara Dayne

@Thrawn23. 2 ай бұрын

Hell no

@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 Ай бұрын

Oh she is definitely the correct type of beautiful for that, imagine her with purple eyes😍

@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 Ай бұрын

But when I think of Ashara I always think of a vibe like Monica Belucci or Megan Fox or Katie McGrath. A mature kind of sexy and not a cute kind of sexy, femme fatale, with dry humour and lots of attitude