Divide too much, and it might just fuse into something stronger.

@@calebblaha7854 Yep. That's exactly what happens when that tactic fails.

@@That80sGuy1972 divide and then get beaten by yourself? no that doesnt happen

Long Live the Empire Long Live the GTU

"A Vulcan's going to do what a Vulcan's going to do... But the Andorians.. They were happy to supply us the phasers." -Admiral Samuel Travis, Prelude to Axanar

@@SLDFSpectreSix Will that movie ever be?

@@rolandet I honestly have no idea.

Well yeah, since the DSC (season 2) and the TOS Phaser beams are blue..

@@rolandet Nope, CBS copyright trolled it out of existence. Their new rules allow for 15 minute "movies" and the Axanar people were planning to do two. Nothing like the original was meant to be.

Id put money on them having been partly behind that and stirring up trouble the whole time. They may well have tried and failed

Humans are just too unpredictable and "hold my beer" type species. Tal Shiar perhaps had some contacts with the Earth government UNDER THE TABLE, but later they probably realized that humans are the best to be left alone.

That might have made a great Mirror Universe origin.

@@rescrel Yep, the potential resistance story arc potential alone would be fun to watch.

Okay, an Elseworlds Mirror Universe Story where the RSA immediately begins subverting EarthGov (isn't that a B5 reference? Whatever). . The Mad Pirate Zefram "Big Z" Cochrane stood over the remains of the dead knife-ears. Raiding the technology of their warp-capable shuttle, he sets about reunifying the scattered fragments of the once glorious Grand Empire after its betrayal by Khan Noonien Singh, the man that should have been their savior. With the technology to make advanced personal energy weapons for his new Elite Guard of Helena, he sweeps across the Western Hemisphere in a mere decade, and soon has low orbit craft with energy weapons attacking the European Dominion. In a week, London falls, and the upstart self-proclaimed ruler is eliminated. Dr. Soong is soon found, and Emperor Cochrane declares him and all Augment Technology too dangerous for the Empire to risk using again in such numbers, and Soong is eliminated. Within his own lifetime, Cochrane becomes the first true Emperor of Earth since the Augment Wars. The planet is unified, but the mysterious knife-ears never appear again before his assassination by his own concubine, who declares herself Empress of Earth. . The more-disciplined Romulans hear about this race of savages from their informants in the Vulcan government, and decide to go have a look. Simple bobbing of the ears is all that's done for infiltration, and they realize that this war-like race of apes are much like they used to be, and a potential rival.. or a potential tool in their quest to expand the Romulan Star Empire. After all, they'd make great foot soldiers and lower ranked crew.. but, how to do this? . The Romulan Star Empire watches and plans as the Earth Empire attacks and reconquers its Martian Colony, then subjugates the colony on Titan and moves to terraform Ganymede, before building a military outpost on Pluto. They've secured their own solar system, and mastered the primitive, small scale warp drives the Vulcan shuttle had used, giving them the ability to get anywhere within their own solar system in hours or a couple of days. They're at the cusp of colonizing other solar systems - and this is when the Romulans make their presence known. . "The Vulcans will enslave you." They warn. "But we wish to help you against our mutual, hated enemy. They have not forgotten that you killed their people sixty years ago, they are merely waiting for you to do all the work for them before they invade and conquer you." The new Emperor of Earth, who's position, too, was manipulated into being by Romulan agents, takes this offer seriously. After all, conquest by force of arms isn't the only answer to expansion. The Romulans don't realize it, but he's plotting to stab them in the back - a practice significantly decreased since the Augment Wars, but still done to an extent. First, he needs to embrace the concept of the Carpetbagger and Yankee Peddler - get them to give him what he wants, and make them think Earth is not only getting a raw deal, but let the Romulans leave thinking they've won. . The Emperor and his closest confidants arrange to have their own spies counter-infiltrate the Romulans through an arranged exchange of "labor for goods" - Earthlings provide "free" labor to the Romulans, and the Romulans give the Earthlings some twice-outdated technology in return. People that are experts in acting stupid, or being seductive, become house servants, concubines, and more to Romulan senators, admirals, and generals, with a particular spy who's name becomes lost to Imperial history code-named Mata Hari becoming the human "private escort" to the 4th most-senior member of the Tal'Shiar High Command. Enjoying their human slaves, whom their own government doesn't seem to care about, the Romulans very quickly become complacent. Earthlings now do all the hard and dirty work, while the Romulans give them outdated technology that would leave them at a significant disadvantage against any Vulcan vessels. . The Earth Empire, however, is already fully aware that their "new friends" think they're cheating them, but the technology they're getting is far superior to the reverse-engineered Vulcan shuttle tech. Soon, Earth begins constructing the ISS Intrepid in 2115 - the name selected as a message, and to honor an American Empire ship from the time of the American Revolution. The first serious star ship, using the tech the Romulans gave them, but with their own improvements, it should be capable of Warp 3.2 for a short time. No match for a Warp 4 Romulan Frigate, but better than nothing. Primitive laser weaponry, and a devastating biological "injection torpedo" round out the arsenal. The goal? Piracy of the highest order - they would "prove" to their "Romulan sponsors" that they could fight the Vulcans, by raiding lone Vulcan ships. Intrepid and her sister ISS Revenge do just that, but they intentionally attack Vulcan civilian ships, making sure to radiate Romulan-like warp signatures. . Meanwhile, the Earth Empire discovers Denobula. Seeing a chance to make their own Client State, they don't bother to invade, they simply state that "in the name of the Romulan Empire," Denobula belongs to them. Since the Denobulans didn't have a very organized military, a simple demonstration of Earth's Weapons of Mass Destruction - a Chemical Weapon on one city, a Biological on another, and a Radiological "Super Dirty Bomb" on a third is all that's needed. The Denobulans are quickly made clear that it is Earth, not Romulus, that they answer to. The Romulans, of course, see this as a threat - Earth is growing too bold, they fear, but the Earth Empire reassures them that this means more slaves for Romulus, and "taking initiative" is something that Earthlings have as a common racial trait. Placated, but wary, the Tal'Shiar begins drawing up plans to sabotage Earth's manufacturing capability, and blame it on the "hated" Vulcans. . Mata Hari warns Earth of what's to come. Intrepid and Revenge are ready, but they are only two capital ships. The next generation of ship is still to come, and under secret development at Luna Station, the Warspite Class. Using technology again stolen from the Vulcans, and now assisted by the Denobulans, the Earth Empire prepares to complete the betrayal of the Romulans in spectacular fashion - by genocide. By 2137, the first of the new class, ISS Warspite, is ready. However, Warspite herself is a Trojan Horse. Using sensor signal emitters, the devious Earth Empire makes it seem like Warspite has a powerful M/AM engine and nacelles that should be Warp 5 capable, and an armament system with extraordinarily powerful beam weaponry. . It's all a ruse. Warspite has a different mission. Sent to Romulus to show off to their erstwhile allies the fruits of Earth labor, and promising them a fleet of these to use in the expansion of the Romulan Empire, the Romulan Advisor sent aboard is taken hostage. Warspite has a tiny crew, barely enough to run her, and they're all volunteers - for a suicide mission. Approaching Romulus, Warspite's crew forces the now-tortured Romulan to signal all clear and let the ship past the Home System Defenses. While approaching standard orbit, Warspite's engines come to life at full power. Yes, she's capable of speeds of Warp 5, but only for a brief moment, before her engine overloads. Jettisoning escape pods and taking their chances, Warspite's crew aims the ship at the Romulan capital city, engages the engines, and warps the ship into the planet at just under Warp 5. . Devastation is total. . Everywhere across Romulan client worlds and colonies, the "slaves" ruse is over, and these specially trained military operatives begin massive resistance and revolutionary activities, spurring other slaves and "pet species" of the Romulans to do the same. Romulan High Command ceases to exist, and the system commanders, lacking any control from Romulus, panic and fall into disorder. . A month later, a massive invasion fleet led by Intrepid and Revenge, along with all of the Earth Empire's lesser ships, each one bloated with landing and boarding parties, reach the borders of the Romulan Star Empire. World after world is brought down, Romulan ships are captured, bio-injection torpedoes used to kill their crews. Repaired and rebranded as Earth Empire property, they're turned against their former masters. Within three years, almost all of the Romulan Star Empire's holdings are absorbed by the United Earth Empire. By 2150, the UEE is ready to christen their new Warp 5 capable ship, the NX-type ISS Enterprise class, with heavily adapted Romulan weapons, engines, shields, and most importantly, cloaking technology. . Instead of the conquest of Vulcan, Andor, and Telar Prime, the UEE has absorbed the much larger Romulans as well as Denobula, and now have THEM as their slaves. They stand poised in the mid-2100's as one of the largest empires by territory in the known galaxy, with a fleet of ex-Romulan ships at their disposal, as well as a new series of updated and improved domestically-produced vessels that incorporate improvements to those designs, now a serious threat to the Klingons, and a significant threat to the other local powers...

Like all successful Hollywood productions that inexplicably end prematurely, i suspect that certain ideas about society, morality and culture (Which Trek explores a lot of) were gaining too much traction in the public consciousness for certain elites' liking.

@@robbierobinson4110 That elite was Rick Berman. He very involved with Enterprise and more hands off with DS9, very sexist and homophobic, took the helm of showrunner up to Season 3 of Trek, and told writers and actors to tone down content.

@@richardarriaga6271 At least that "sexist and homophob" made good Star Trek. Can't be said about the toxic idiots of today.

@@23GreyFox eh, not really. Ent is better than STD and Picard (and JJTrek), but those are failings of cash grabs. They aren't meant to build fanbases and culture around them, they're meant to drain a franchise's goodwill quick for some fast cash. ENT is still fairly badly made, and breaks TOS canon in some places

@@vaelophisnyx9873 TNG, DS9 and Voy breaks TOS canon too, so i don't care much, i like ENT. TOS itself made made often no sense.

THEY STARTED IT!

Humanity: Ok, it won’t happen again! *later in the Mid-24th Century* Humanity and Klingons: *Picks up a fight against the dominion* Vulcans: Wait, I thought we talked about this? Humanity: They are invading Bajor! Klingons:... don’t ask us, we just go along with it..

The Federation: We don't start fights.....but we certainly won't shirk from finishing them.

Here's another one... United Earth Government: Finally, all of humanity is united under one social government! Mar Colony: (cough: bull$%!^) Uh, did you forget this? -- Fundamental Declarations of the Martian Colonies...and btw, Molon Labe.

@@tiggergolah They were the ones that started the war with the Dominions in a preemptive strike on some shipyards.

Super Genius! Though nobody could a have predicted that a lost Federation ship would use an unknown alien network to download a sentient holographic doctor into a captured ship and kill off the Romulan boarders. Even the most paranoid Romulans couldn't have seen that coming.

Bit of a strange point, since the plots that succeeded - went unnoticed.

@@richardarriaga6271 I mean, they *did* have a 20 year warning that there was a Federation ship off in the wilds of the Delta Quadrant…

I mean plot armor for the federation is a great thing

Well, Gene Roddenberry did based his depiction of his idealized version of humanity based what he perceived to the best aspects of the USA and the defunct USSR. Both of which, (especially the former) exhibited traits of being essentially Shonen Anime protagonist IRL, in nation-state form.

@Tesla-Effect Though their starships are weapons of mass destruction, that they do use, but like all good boys and girls use violence as a last resort after every other option.

Your fucked

As Theodore Roosevelt was wont to say: "Speak softly and carry a big stick." Basically meaning, be diplomatic, but have the forethought to have weapons ready in case things mess up. (Comes with the caveat that you can never use the weapons first or you become the bully in the eyes of everyone else watching.)

@@occultatumquaestio5226 Excuse me, but the United States is not an orphan and that is practically a requirement for a shonen anime protagonist. We did not abandon you, nor are we dead. You fuckers just went all angsty rebellious teen on us and started throwing our tea out screaming "get out of my room dad" when we asked you to pay a bit more rent money. Mostly to pay for the damage your French friends did while we were on holiday.

Well it’s been a long way

Enterprise was worse than discovery

TheMelbournelad getting from there to here!

@Atheos B. Sapien no this line is from "the art of war" by sunzi

@@gottfriedwegemuller3223 Yeah that gets attributed to Sun Tzu but he was quoting Bergman

@Atheos B. Sapien If I was quoting Sun Tzu I'd have put up the actual quote. "Know other, know self, hundred battles without danger; not knowing other but know self, one win one loss; not knowing other, not knowing self, every battle must be lost." But Sun Tzu himself was just repackaging a common saying, "Know your enemy and know yourself." that had been around long before he was born. The actual saying is better than Sun Tzus reinterpretation of it into a bizarre assertion that people can not blunder blindly to victory. Now you know something.

​@Atheos B. Sapien Dude, only illiterate bumpkins wouldn't know that line comes from Sun Tzu. It doesn't _need_ a citation at this point. It's like demanding a citation for "No, Luke: _I_ am your father"; it just makes you seem stuffy and anal.

Well, I imagine something like the Pacific RIMPAC operations, the largest sea military training on the world, a lot of different navies with different school views, training and techs together. Or also, think of NATO and how they have certain things standardized, like the famous 5.56 NATO rounds or datalinks and coms, and now many allies of the US are buying the F-35. Given enough time and inner stability, Starfleet would go from joint operations to training together, to sharing techs and eventually using the same technology and military schools

How are your ears lol.

Same. XD

It was just long enough that KZfaq unblurred. Normally it's a blurry mess for 10 or so seconds, even if I select 1440p. I like not having anything important happening when the stream is in 144p mode.

Well to be fair The Romulans did start it first.

@@theunitedcommonwealth715 Ha, of course YOU would say that, United Earth Alliance. ;-)

@@WardancerHB Well they did.....Lousy Green Blooded Hobgoblins :)

@@theunitedcommonwealth715 Yeah that's what the human propaganda machine wants everyone to think. Human's cannot be trusted, they always revert back to their primitive, violent ways. Romulan's have the right idea.

@@anarchyantz1564 Now wait a minute we may suppress some need to know info but we do not propaganda....anymore plus we only become violent if provoked which those...Xenos do every time nearly.

Same reason airplanes can have many different wing types. The physics of warp are the same in all ships but the method and the construction can vary greatly. Here in the real world airplanes wings come in many shapes and sizes, Delta wings, Swept Wings, Bi-planes, and even lifting body vehicles which have no wings using the entire body of the aircraft for lift. In star trek like the real world there are not only different orientations for the same job but there's even a degree of variation in how the warp bubble is even generated as is the case where Romulus ships create a singularity which is used to power the warp reaction. The only rule we know of for warp capable vessels design wise, is that they must contain a device/component (usual in the form of two nacelles) which is used to conduct the warp bubble around the space craft. This device must be able to cover the complete circumference of the main body of the vehicle . Starfleet ships have an even number of nacelles (except a few exceptions) which are placed in locations where there must be a continuous line of site between each, something to do with energy conducted between them for the warp bubble. (this is all technobabble anyways, don't worry too much about the specifics.) While Vulcan ships at least in the 22nd century have a similar device in the form of a ring used for the same purpose, presumable they use less energy to maintain the bubble this way but maybe with lower speeds. In the real world the Alcubier drive which is a theoretical warp drive like FTL method uses a similar ring like structure to help with the folding of space around the vessel. This all to my best understanding of the star trek lore and of real world engineering principles mainly that there usually isn't one way to complete any one task but different ways normally have pros and cons.

There's also the likelihood that different species came at the same end result thru different understandings of physics, since we ARE talking about species with different chemistries & neurologies.

Different power sources are probably part of the reason.

It also has to do with what raw materials are available in the area. You are not going to cross another empire just to get the materials that are not available in your home system just to build a warp drive they designed. No, you improvise with what you have at home.

It would affect the current sociaty mindset to much cause his rassim was justified

Graham Armitage I think the romulan war could’ve been their answer to Star Wars the clone wars series and I think this series should’ve aired on nickelodeon and should’ve been made in 2006 and aired from 2006 to 2009 with three seasons (Who should make and produce the series i vote Steve marmel The former developer of Danny phantom I’m saying it should been made by the same guys that did Danny phantom) and it would be a micro series (similar to the clone wars 2003 microseries) like and comment if you agree

they had warp but only at 1 or 2

@@colinmaclaughlanweir9670 I'm pretty sure that at some point during the episode it was said that the Romulan ship lacked warp capability. Even if Romulans had ships capable of warp 2 it would be difficult for them to hold sway over a star empire. Warp 2 is approximately 10 x lightspeed so a ship at warp 2 would take a year to travel 10 light years. There are only 11 stars within 10 light years of Earth, only 4 of them are known to have planets. It is said that the Neutral Zone is 130 light years from Earth so it would take a Romulan ship more than 13 years to reach Earth.

I think the most reasonable explanation is they have bigger warp ships but the Bird of Prey was so overpowered and small that it could only hold the weapons, the cloak, and the small habitable area.

That's insulting to the Vulcans, lol

John Murphy it would have been great if Enterprise had gotten the fairly typical 7-8 seasons of many other Star Trek series. TOS too for that matter as it was the second shortest series if I recall correctly.

He has done a video on the Borg as a species that has a timeline of what we know of the early Borg. I see it among my recommendations fairly regularly.

@@Hybris51129 I thought I noticed it but I couldn't remember. Thanks for confirming, will watch the video now.

They're a relatively minor race, living in a tiny part of the galaxy.

My bad! You came very close in this one, so thanks: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/edecpaWDyrnUc3U.html

WHERE do you THINK the Romulans GOT the designs from?

Maybe. The various series are littered with so many canon retcons. Though at least as regards the pre-Federation era a theory that might make some sense is that it was so far back in their history that some retcons are actually just things which came to be better understood as historians continued to study the period. For instance perhaps during the Earth Romulan War no one, but the Romulans, and Klingons had yet developed cloaking technology so it wasn't quite understood by their enemies for what it was. Whereas later on Federation members would develop their own cloaking technology thus causing the Federation to recognize it as such with the Romulans during Balance of Terror.

They found it on that old wreck didn't they. My guess is that just like the cloak use by the Klingon, it was develop in secret by a Klingon house and they limited it to their ships only.