One theory I have is that Rockstar wanted Arthur and Co. go to New Austin through Mexico after Guarma, instead of directly going to Roanoke Ridge. However this would prove too ambitous for an already delayed game so they axed Mexico and froze New Austin in time.

The barn in McFarlands Ranch not being present in 1907 should also be a clue for NA being rushed. It theoretically should be there because by the time of RDR1 (which takes only four years later in 1911) looks like its been there for much longer then four years.

The Blackwater Robbery was never, at any point, intended to be shown. The story relies on it NOT being shown, because otherwise the true nature of Dutch would be obvious to everyone. There's no way to recover the trust of players who actually see Dutch murder an innocent mother, which is exactly why we follow the footsteps of Arthur and only ever "hear" about it. Chapter 1, on the other hand, was going to be much longer originally, but it was always set in the Grizzlies. We know this for definitive fact because of interviews post-release. To add, the Grizzlies actually weren't that much bigger. Most of what was there before still remains, for both West and East. What was actually lost to the map changes was Cumberland Forest, and the top side of Roanoke, which nearly all of both was cut. Which is honestly unfortunate, because keeping the Grizzlies East on the northern side of the map would've helped with the illusion of 5 States.

Man I wish they didn't cut the Grizzlies because I love the snow regions in this game

It actually makes sense for Arthur to be locked out of New Austin as he says that the whole gang was pushed from the West, what supports this is Sheriff Sam Freeman has lines calling out Arthur when he sees him, clearly stating that the Van der Linde gang gained so much notoriety that all the western states got word of their escapades while they’re still relatively unknown in the east of the country. Still, I think including New Austin and making it only accessible for John makes it a good end-game reward for longtime fans of the game to have a little throwback, and seeing all the towns being familiar but vastly different, with Armadillo being nearly dead and Tumbleweed being full of noise and bustle.

-They were in fact several versions of Guarma in development. There were multiple map concepts found; ones ranging from a small island to the one we got which is around the size of 2 New Austins. And there was supposed to be a little island off the coast of Guarma too which explains the one you pointed to. -There MIGHT have been a scrapped prologue originally, but I don't think it would've exceeded drafting stages. The 2016 leaked map even shows that Colter was always set as the intro area. And there hasn't been any strings or evidence in the files of a Blackwater opening. I think it's more likely that the Grizzlies chapter itself was longer. We know there was originally some more to it like Arthur's family, Isaac freezing to death and Eliza running away in grief. -I won't say RDR2's New Austin being built off RDR1's is entirely false. Sure, it wasn't just lifted from the original and upscaled, but a lot of textures and an inaccessible interiors were reused from the first game according to dataminers. Probably because they added it in last minute, like you said. Same with Mexico. Amazing video, man. I loved seeing your improve and refine the editing and information from the first part. And your commentary is very enjoyable imo.

The fact that they basically modeled the entirety of Mexico from the first game raises a major question. Did Rockstar just rip the map from the first game, put it in the improved RAGE engine, and model the rest of the map on top of it? If not, why did they feel obligated to remake Mexico, with the soundtrack from rdr1, but not make it accessible? Makes me sad that they didn't do anything with Mexico, or New Austin in general. Would've been cool to see some shit going down in Mexico during Arthur's story.

gotta respect this guy for probably making this account name when he was younger and then sticking to it as he got older

Its my favourite game of all time but the amount of cut content really makes me sad. I hope we all get the chance of seeing the full potential of this game in the future, or at least someone who worked on it tell us why so much was removed

I was in Mexico RDR2 2 Days ago, And what was very cool, There were also Town sounds in the game, You could hear dogs and horse sounds when you´re in a town

6:40 rdr2 needed to have more of that kind of actual subtle ambient like in rdr1, instead of the same 3-4 songs repeating

At night, you can actually see Saint Denis from guarmas shore 😂

An interesting thing in that avalanche is that there are bodies of dead horses.

To this day I still think this game & story would have fared better if they hadn't had the Guarma chapter. Took so much time and resources from the main game, which resulted in really weird pacing/story decisions towards the end.

I always assumed that arthur went to mexico some time while john was inprisoned or something maybe after guarma and than they would have had to have snuck past blackwater getting back to saint denis and thats why in the trailer they're with sadie adler in blackwater riding away .. but at the time they felt that the story would be all over the place and they batched it

I occasionally go to Mexico both in Online and in the Singeplayer just to explore around the areas that Iv visited so many times in the first game. My favorite area to visit in the first game was Mexico. The ambient music was amazing and overall I just liked the terrain, the buildings, and how lawless it was. Going around it in RDR2 just makes me feel empty seeing locations I know the exact areas to where they use to be. Hearing the ambient music and sometimes ambient noises (Dogs barking, and People chatting) occasionally lowkey kinda brings a tear to my eye. I have a lot of Nostalgia for the first game as I played it a lot throughout 2010-2011. It’s a shame we probably won’t be seeing a remastered Mexico in the RDR2 engine in a veeery long time or not at all.

if rdr2 was released 20 years ago there would be so many rumors and fake videos of arthur going to mexico

I just wanna mention this, but on the map you can find random out of place areas which have the text “Wanted Dead or Alive” labeled onto them; specifically under the “R” in Grizzlies East & on the East bank of the Lannahechee adjacent to Van Horn. If you compare the leaked maps from 2016-17 to the final in-game map, these spots where this text is shown roughly correspond to the old locations of Fort Wallace & Sisika, which is the reason why hovering over Ft. Wallace & Sisika themselves doesn’t show that text. This next bit is just hearsay I’ve heard from a guy I watch, but apparently there’s a sign underneath the map from a pre-release (2016; maybe 17) of RDR2 that indicates where Ft. Wallace & other places were at some point It’s actually really interesting how there are so many holdovers from the 2016-17 versions of RDR2

I love to see you back at it 🤙🏼

What grinds my gears is they add stuff like getting gator eggs that don’t even spawn but take the good stuff

loved both of ur dives into the cut content. would love to see u do more of this kind of content but for other games ur live commentary is hilarious!

New Austin is not stuck in 1899, It's Stuck in a bit of a mix, Cholera is for 1907 New Austin as 1899 was Scarlet fever, Sheriff freeman and the armadillo crier have unused 1907 versions of their outfits and theres a cut armadillo station clerk with both 1899 and 1907 outfits, Arthur could go to NA however the gang would not follow, arthur could go just as a free roam area

As much as I love this video, it just reminds me how badly Rockstar failed by releasing RDR2 in the state it was in. There's so much obviously unfinished content. That's what happens when you have studio executives breathing down your neck, though.

Mad funny just watched Exploring Unused Areas in Red Dead Redemption 2 and u just so happend to upload

KZfaq brought me back to you almost 1 year later

This is awesome!! ❤❤❤ enjoyed your first video 😊❤

Great video and commentary, I wish you would make more about RDR2 but thanks for this one

PERFECT starting music.

Damn shame we didn’t get any Guarma content in Online. Would’ve been great if they added an option to sail to the island in free roam or at the very least have some missions take place there

Hit us with the PvZ Wild West theme. Very nice 🤙🤙🤙

Underrated chanel good editing

It actuallyakes zero sense for john to be in new austin (as it's his first time there in rdr1) but makes sense for arthur. Picture arthur on one of his "adventures" as ms grimshaw calls it, he goes to new austin by himself by sneaking through yhe great plains (as bringing the whole gang would be yoo obvious) and faffs around in new austin himself. In the epilogue john can in theory go there but its not cannon at all

0:15 I just realized this music is from PvZ 2. Love that franchise

It’s quite easy to get to guarma from new austin, going through Mexico without mods. I would just look it up if I were you, but it’s a lot easier and faster than the Lemoyne method.

i heard the mexico soundtrack while fishing in the san luis river and it made me so happy

I think it makes sense, that New Austin and Mexico were added late, and not meant to be in the game originally. Based on the original map leak but also story-wise since they never visit these places in the story and it would kinda break with the first game. I don't think they would add this because of players' outcry. Makes more sense to me to add this due to Red Dead Online and let players revisit their favorite places. This would be why it is stuck in time since online takes place in 1898 (?). Then they just decided to let players visit there in the epilogue as well since they already had the content. They probably wanted to let us do more but due to time, we got this empty version, which just added more questions. This would explain why there is audio for Arthur since they wanted this area to be available but locked it off due to the place being stuck in time and there was no point in making 2 versions of the place since no story takes place there. New Austin overall gives off this unfinished vibe and I kinda wish they would just have not bothered. I wonder if Mexico ever was meant to be explored or if the idea was to have the Mexican army stop you, kind of like in other rockstar titles where they block you off with police if you try and access certain areas too early. On the other hand, if I'm not misremembering there were fast travel references to cities in Mexico so perhaps this went through multiple iterations. Maybe the last idea was to just have it blocked off by the Mexican army but not even that did they have time for. Having a Mexico DLC for online maybe? But then they removed most of the references to Mexico which could mean that they killed off these plans. So many questions. Would love it if a dev just gave it to us so we could stop wondering. I don't know. Just ramblings. I think they should have spent more time in these areas or just cut them out. Mexico for online would have been cool. Overall, the whole New Austin area makes me depressed and it feels disrespectful to the first title.

Damn this is really good

Hey dude keep up the great work love the red dead videos

7:14 i was actually exploring the next to san luis river in gaptooth ridge and it started playing the same rdr1 mexico background ost. It hit me with so much nostalgia, Idk what i did to start playing it. I think it was when i started looking towards mexico and using binoculars to see it better, i'm on ps4 btw.

You need more subscribers, you’re great.

I hope you make another version i found your videos so damn fun for some reason it gives weird feeling of ambiguity

I feel so sad they cut so much from México, but that makes the moment when you cross the border in Rdr1 so much special

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you deserver waaaaaaaaaaaaaaY more views

at 3:40, after the cut, You can see the "go to location" icon typa cloud on the mini map flash. This further proves that Guarma was meant to be muuch bigger, such a shame. put the video in 0.25x speed and pause and unpause quickly and you'll see it

Arthur was supposed to go to new Austin to show how the west was tamed. Hear me out, call me crazy, but think about it, the game starts saying how the west was mostly tamed. In magicians for sport, in high honor, Arthur says that the west ain't how he remembers, so, maybe, it makes sense to show us how everything was changing or has changed

The fact that this game that turns out was pretty rushed is still the single most impressive game there is to date just says something about Rockstar's quality. I hope GTA VI delivers, because they probably rushed RDR2 to get most of its devs back to work on GTA

The pvz2 wild West soundtrack is amazing

plants vs zombies 2 wild west music? oh yeah this gonna be fire

Rockstar did try with new austin a lot in rdr online tho. A lot of things happen in New Austin or you can do in online

I wish rockstar had the time to add all these cut features into the game, would’ve made it so much better

i wish the beta content someone made it into the final game

Actually they could add a prologue chapter as DLC and have you play as John and interact with Arthur since John was there during it

It's crazy that rockstar made guarma almost as big as the entire normal playable map only to give us just 1 tiny spot. Plus that other little island. You can tell they had bigger plans. The sad part is it sold well, they made tons of money and yet didn't go back to add dlc. These areas could've been fleshed out, add new side quests, anything but yet nothing

yay

The chest model is straight from rdr1

Be cool if rockstar would restore a lot of the beta content as story dlc… then again given the rdr remaster just being a resell, I doubt it would ever happen.

LENNNYYYYY!!!

they spend to much time getting the horse poop and horse testicles right

6:32 i i be vibing

It’s creepy even in Mexico it has the soundtrack…..

It's worth mentioning that in Red Dead Redemption 1 John also mentions he's never been so far out west as New Austin, which is more proof that it was originally not intended to be in the game.

The Plants vs Zombies 2 music was so random

yay more

Yall ever get scared of one cougar/panther but you can still take on a pack of wolves or a grizzly. They freak me out

Rockstar's ambitious Projects... Guarma? Look at the size!!!! What were they thinking!?? They could've focused on the main map more than Guarma and scrapped guarma, or saved it for like GTA6 or something... Imagine how big the main map could've been... Northern native lands and southern mexico lands, we could've had all that had they not spent time doing the guarma stuff. Which they then abandoned and only use for one short chapter... I say it was a terrible use of developer time and effort. But devs probably learned a lot and are now making GTA6 which is all tropical. Can't wait.

Just got pvz2 flashbacks

I had the Mexico theme play while I was in New Austin a little after the legendary catfish mission. Was it a glitch?

subbed just from the fact that ma man said to not sub if you expect the channel to only post rdr2 vids.

Nice Arthur outfit for the Mexico part, whats the green shirt?

What mod is in the background when you were talking about new austin

5:17 Fucking hell is this 2024 games have their entire map as big as this while Rockstar's there sitting, yeah let's just get this shit out the storyline, nothing big at all

Maybe Mexico was added for the upcoming remake?

What´s the name of the horse you´re using in Mexico? I´ve never seen it before

how did people get access to the PS4 versions game files

It would've been cool if R* made the RDR1 port an expansion to RDR2 instead where similarly to the Epilogue there's a time skip between the end of Epilogue 2 and when RDR1 starts and you continue on and play RDR1's story Would've given R* a chance to fully finish New Austin and Mexico

Honestly, I wish NA and Mexico were completely cut from RDR2; they don't belong in the game as explorable territories and feel unfinished due to R* being unable to finish the provinces in time. It would've been honestly better off (or if R* gave the game more development time and didn't reveal it so early, then maybe we could've had a complete NA and Mexico)

13:38 i noticed that the circle was gone like rockstar 🤣

no wonder the game takes so much storage 😂😂😂

I can't believe they abandoned RDR2 because they couldn't manage to sell enough Shark Cards, I mean, gold bars or whatever RDO had. They have all of New Austin and Mexico, hell even Guarma, to play with as DLC and RDO missions. Add an official Undead mode too, that footage you had looked pretty fun. They could totally revive RDO by doing that. Single player DLC's aren't dead either.

Idea during rdr2 4 More chapters added + chapter 4 and 5 Lengthened Gaurma has more things The New Chapter 1: Mexico Is playable from Javier's Perspective while he is escaping (So they can use the mexico part) like gta 5 then you meet Dutch he helps you Then you play as somebody like Dutch or Hosea for a bit then chapter two starts: Dutch In the blackwater massacre and the events them moving into the grizzlies then chapter 3 Replaces chapter 1 you now play as Arthur and its pretty similar just chapter 4 Is longer and chapter 5 + More gaurma things

WWWWW

And in Red Dead Online they barely did anything with New Austin either. As someone who played RDR1 i love going to New Austin, but there's not much to do in Online either.

I don't mind that Arthur isn't able to go to New Austin, narratively there really isn't a reason to despite much of the gang's desire to flee west. I feel like that want is sort of a commentary in and of itself, how outlaws were able to better thrive westward whilst Dutch keeps everyone landlocked in the wrong areas. The problem here is where cynicism drips through. New Austin in RDR2 is left relatively unfinished in spite of some available side-content for John, sure, but its real purpose? To be repurposed and milked for content in Red Dead Online, which also takes place in 1899. There's many more nods to the future of RDR1 nestled there than even in the story. Which makes Rockstar essentially abandoning it all the more ironic.

what horse was used while in mexico? looks cool

If rockstar wanted to do a RDR2 remake, I'd be all for it. They could change up so of the story beats, add cut content even make the story change a bit.

That also doesn't make sense to add lines of code to something players will never see or do. "I just rode into mexico in the game and the theme played" "Uhh what tf?" These areas should be devoid of any development to make the actual play areas the player will be using, run smoother. But I'm sure that has to be an Easter Egg for those who manage it, something simple to add by a dev on their spare time

thanks for the mid man

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I will not subcribe i just wacht rdr content

If they would focus less on Gta online and more on Rdr2 this game would be the biggest masterpiece for the next 10 years

If I had a nickel for every time Rockstar made you go to a shitty tropical island off the coast of the main map I’d have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but seems lazy it happened twice.

you arent going to post anymore red dead 2 content yet red dead 2 gives you the most views , likes and subscribers? wasting potential

No matter your race, religion, gender, or political beliefs, I think everyone can agree that RDR1 ambience is leagues above RDR2 ambience.

Guarma should have been cut and mexico should have been included

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