The Shark Gill Tree Felling Cut: Double or Triple your Hinge Wood

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Жыл бұрын

This is a technique that I learned from my friend David Driver, the X Man, innovator of X-Rigging Rings and the Safebloc. It is an interesting felling technique that allows you to double or triple your active hinge wood when felling trees. This is my first attempt at this technique, and I definitely didn't nail it, but I think it was a good example of how it works. Stay tuned all the way to the end for a link to a much longer tutorial on this felling technique from David Driver himself. Thanks for watching.
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@simonparkes5514 9 ай бұрын

If done inaccurately, would the multiple vertical bore cuts increase the possiblilty of a barber chair?

@rvrski1 Жыл бұрын

Cutting through that first vertical to the second on the back cut and applying tension that high above the back cut certainly increases the likelihood of chairing. Back cutting to the second cut has merit as you can see the slow compression. Or, just leave a wider hinge and plunge the centre of the scarf out.

@iFixJunk Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the multiple camera angles--that really made this helpful.

@lindaarbogast6499 Жыл бұрын

You could have fooled me with that cut. It was impressive. Nice felling!

@frxa2739 Жыл бұрын

I believe the original video shows the back cut about 1 or two inches shy from the last bore cut, providing even more hinge wood. thanks for this vid- learn something new everyday.

@mvblitzyo Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate all the hard work, that goes into sharing . the education you gained and learn the rest of us super appreciate it. Joe

@raydreamer7566 Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate seeing how you did this .. BUT - why or what would want to make you decide to use this method over a single hinge ?? More control ??

@jamesharris690 Ай бұрын

You did an excellent job on that cut.

@robertodebeers2551 Жыл бұрын

Nice to see someone who knows how to sharpen a chain.

@paulrumbold2436 9 ай бұрын

Pro job buddy . Sending congratulations from england

@firedtradesman Жыл бұрын

Helluva job Pat, thank you for sharing. F the haters.

@DrewCash13 Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the sounds of the hinge breaking. Very different, but cool cut. -Alberta Tree slayer

@litman252 Жыл бұрын

Used this today on a 28" walnut. Pulled fibers 13" above the back cut, minimal damage to the lawn. Thanks again for the great video!

@raydreamer7566 Жыл бұрын

Got it a much slower drop...

@fredpayne7581 Жыл бұрын

Great video Patrick, you are by far the best on KZfaq, love your videos thank you brother, stay safe and God bless you 🙏

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

I'm humbled Fred, appreciate it... - Patrick

@robbob_the_climber Жыл бұрын

Dood that was wicked look at all that hinge! Can’t wait to try this out! Great job Patrick👍👍👍🤙🤙🤙

@johac7637 Жыл бұрын

I get a kick at these KZfaq ers, in the logging industry for over 30 years, we fell on Overage 5 trucks a day, and always were in the trade for production of logs for lumber, we always fell and used undercuts, back cut to maximize wood to the landing, low stumps, unless to to used to stop loosing logs down hill, these guys got lots to learn, stay safe, and sharpen your saws.

@TheToolnut Жыл бұрын

Residential tree surgery is totally different to commercial logging.

@ian12157 Жыл бұрын

Very nice work! I would like to see this on an open face notch see how gentle you can a back leaning tree to fall. Maybe to mitigate lawn damage.

@osagejon8972 Жыл бұрын

I use a triple hinge in two scenarios. First is a hard side leaner where you make your face cut, cut your triple, cut as much compression wood as possible, drive wedges where the compression wood was, and finally cut make a back cut. Essentially you can triple the amount of tension wood and it holds on longer because the folding action and kerf closing of each hinge. Think of what Jerry Beranik talks about in his book about the beefy hing and problems associated with it. Second is you can slow down how fast the tree falls. Do some experimenting with the second use, you will be surprised at how slow you can make them fall. Look closely at the veiw you have of the hinge wood and you will notice the kerfs closing against each other and imagine a horizontal line across the hinges as the tree goes over the line will look more saw toothed the farther the tree tips on its way down because each hinge tips a little bit. Have fun trying it out.

@ej7431 Жыл бұрын

Great example thanks.

@VinnyMartello 7 ай бұрын

I have never seen the shark gill before. Will have to try it on my next low risk job.

@TimberTrainer Жыл бұрын

Looks like you had plenty of room to practice with. It's always good to try a new technique with low risk.

@blinddume3859 Жыл бұрын

Recently watched that shark gill tutorial video as well. Tried it on a Bradford pear with a ton of back weight, and it was pretty cool seeing the amount of fibers holding on something that would usually snap out. Useful cut.

@PumaTomten Жыл бұрын

There is another better way to cut extremely heavy side/back learners. For some reason the entire globe is fixated by doing straight face and back cuts, if you angle the bottom of the face cut 5-10 degrees and just go 1cm under that level with the back cut the tree can hold much more. See it as a threshold for the tree plus for heavy sides a more triangled cut will help the tree straighten before going over

@koolaids7538 11 ай бұрын

@PumaTomten I'm curious about this tecnique and don't understand what you mean? Could you explain more?

@larryspiller6633 Жыл бұрын

I saved a piece of pine that had a branch in the near middle similar to yours. Cutting through a huge diamond or concrete slab would have been easier. I was baffled by why it was impossible to cut through. Even a railroad tie would have been easier. It wasn't a residential tree so I didn't get it until we moved the cut way up. Chain dulling, spark throwing damndest thing I've ever cut.

@jacklumber223 Жыл бұрын

Hi Patrick. Thankyou for all the great vids. :) Just wondering what camera you use and helmet mount?

@shanesouza4303 Жыл бұрын

That's a wild cut pattern. 😎✌️

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

It is...

@user-3tf67bk46u Жыл бұрын

I think that if using this cut without roping, when buildings are around, extra caution should be considered when bedrock might be closer than you think. If your stump uproots from the enormous near vertical pull, you lose your steering and of course the whole point of a beefy hinge is to slow decent and to help steer sideleaners. If the soil comes with, it could wreck your whole day. Good video though. I have an idea where I could use this but because of my terrain it got me to thinking about my caution noted above. And of course hollowed out beech and soft maple, even if you chain them up tight, there's precious little wood to make a gill cut like this work. Still, the concept and potential of this cut is sound if the circumstances are right.👍🙏

@jtrocktree5409 Жыл бұрын

Is all the extra work , really worth the energy and time

@aerialrescuesolutions3277 Жыл бұрын

Great work Patrick, I was watching Xman (Dave) and saw this and heard him say he did a podcast with you? Where can I find this, I would love to watch it. You are great and thank you for having great contact on your channel. The editing was very cool too, I like the triple take of the tree falling and the hinge wood sound. Jim.

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

It's audio only, available on podcast apps, called The Educated Climber Podcast... - Patrick

@mattsantili8638 Жыл бұрын

What situation would this cut be needdd for? Honest question

@johnmca5643 Жыл бұрын

I'm wondering the same.....

@geneticdisorder1900 Жыл бұрын

Don’t know, but it made a great colon noise as it fell 😂😂😂

@TheAcenightcreeper Жыл бұрын

Not this one…thats for sure

@user-nd8pp3zu7h Жыл бұрын

Абсолютно никогда вам это не понадобится. С такой скоростью спиливания на лесозаготовках вы бы остались без работы. Достаточно было выпилить стандартный клин и одним резом с противоположной стороны добиться аналогичного эффекта.

@sebastianmarquard Жыл бұрын

I like to use this cut when there are cars etc. around. You can bring the tree down very slowly an make it less likely for branches to burst and hit nearby objects

@johnfahey7215 Жыл бұрын

That was very cool 😎 Thanks

@justinsnyder6256 Жыл бұрын

Ive heard of tripple hinge but not shark. Same kinda technique. Cool stuff

@turnstyles7485 Жыл бұрын

Top Branch does a similar technique in some of their videos. The difference being I've only seen him use two vertical cuts and they are both parallel and above the bottom of the face cut, not stair stepped like you did. Both work, but the stairs are logical.

@craignash4736 Жыл бұрын

Very talented , awesome video. Craig Pa

@davidwyby Жыл бұрын

For max hinge time, I think I’d make a horizontal cut to the bottom of the European trench cut and make it a big wide open face.

@br-dj2ti Жыл бұрын

definitely nice it's kind of like the triple hinge but you're going the whole way through instead of just a quarter of the way

@cultbusters9126 Жыл бұрын

I need to see more. A normal single hinge of around 1.250” on a tree this size would have been sufficient to hold and not splinter out. Does having three in a row make that each hinge needs to be narrower for a cleaner break without the possibility of a barber chair?

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

Check out David's tutorial at the end of this video, he goes over the use cases for this cut... - Patrick

@ryanslandandtreesvc454 Жыл бұрын

@educatedclimber, use an alpine butterfly know with a shackle on the connection to the skidder, put another carabiner in the alpine know itself to make it easy to untie. Alot easier then a doubled up bowline that looks what your guy out on there

@ericharris893 Жыл бұрын

In upstate New York we just called it a triple hinge. If I’m pulling with a pickup or excavator, I bore cut the center of the hinge out also. I only use it with side leaners for the most part. That’s why I want the extra.

@ericharris893 Жыл бұрын

@@fuqutube lol I would not triple hinge that tree. There are trees I do that with but, not on straight coniferous trees

@ericharris893 Жыл бұрын

@@fuqutube it’s just to keep a side leaned tree from drifting off course prematurely. This cut isn’t insurance but it can make a tree into a tree that can be felled without a rope

@ericharris893 Жыл бұрын

@@fuqutube yeah seriously try it out when trees got a good bit of side lean. You will use it. I know what you mean about not needing it. But it’s definitely another tool in the trick bag. Once you try it on a tree with side lean, you will notice how ridiculous the pull wood is on the stump and understand the holding power advantage of the triple hinge.

@r.g.3636 Жыл бұрын

i like your channel , and i am a subscriber...... ive been a timber faller and a climber of very big trees on the mendocino and sonoma coast , ca. for 31 years now, im 71...... first off, always get a wedge in the back cut as soon as you can in case the rope breaks, or the guy pulling on it fucks up etc...... second, why the f would you put the angle cut first on the face cut ???? , you can't really use your gun sights that way,, and as you cut, the wedge piece is going to pinch your bar as it finishes...!!! and that " fancy" cut method is total bullshit,, a total waste of time etc..... ridiculous...... other than that,,, you are a great teacher.....r.g.

@hangmantrees Жыл бұрын

I'm a fellow faller! I use humboldtes on higher stumps when I'm trying to get my first log out of the stump flare in softwoods because the flare lowers the value of the log in my market. I use conventional on hardwood when I'm trying to fell the tree as low as possible because the hardwood flare still has value and doesn't lower the grade of the log. Despite what many say, you can be deadly accurate when you start with your upper 45. You just have to plumb your sight when you start the cut.

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

Hi r.g. I have always done my angle cut first, I use my gunning sights in the same way but they are lined up from the centre of the face rather than sweeping across. Much easier to match up a flat cut to an angled cut than the other way around. I have always believed that the traditional style of face (e.g. flat cut first, then angled cut) is a holdover from the days long before chainsaws, when all they had was crosscut saws and axes. At that time the best way to do it was to start with the crosscut saw (flat cut), then use the axes to chip out the angled part of the face. Then the back cut was with the crosscut saw. So when the chainsaw came along, it seems to me that they just continued the method that was familiar to them. I don't know how long it took before someone realized that a chainsaw opened up many more possibilities, e.g. bore cutting, or making the angled cut first, etc. I know that angled cut first is not the "traditional" way of cutting faces, but it is every bit as accurate once you have the technique dialed in, and it is much faster and easier to learn for anyone just starting out... As far as the Shark Gill cut goes, this is my friend's technique and I am just trying it out. It has very specific use cases which I didn't get into here, but if you watch David's tutorial which is linked at the end of the video, he goes in depth as to when this could be useful... Cheers from Canuckistan - Patrick

@Northwoods208 Жыл бұрын

Does it make a difference? I cut predominantly old growth and large second growth, and I often take my lower (angled) cut first, because then I don't have a 200 pound face cut sitting on my bar when I finish that bottom cut...

@ericharris893 Жыл бұрын

@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM I agree with making the angled cut first and is ded nutz aim. I know from experience this felling cut works wonders on side leaned or weighted hardwoods. Keep up the great vids thanx.

@Lasse-zj6ps Жыл бұрын

You absolutely can cut your angle cut first almost all european/Scandinavian fellers do that so thats some BS...and i dont care if your 71 or 171.

@thearbfactory3081 Жыл бұрын

When would you actually use this technique? It seems to be a lot of additional cutting

@bradhartmeister2717 Жыл бұрын

Sweet video ......

@dosaimre 6 ай бұрын

What is the knot/hitch the guy is tying to the Vermeer?

@richardpucci6771 Жыл бұрын

love it

@korodski Жыл бұрын

Hmm nice vid😁

@JF-fx2qv 2 ай бұрын

Have you tried this technique / cut since this time and has it created any unsafe situations?

@craignash4736 Жыл бұрын

What’s advantageous ? Thanks

@Daniel_4.27 Жыл бұрын

Can you please break down the way you have your pull line hooked up in a video how it goes over the top and comes down the spur for mechanical advantage

@rissersmillingandtreework Жыл бұрын

We use this technique daily because it’s much easier than trying to isolate a point in the canopy to send up a running bowline or climb up to install the pull line.

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

I don't do it for mechanical advantage, it's just much faster and easier than isolating and sending up a running bow, also gives you more options for changing the setup if you need to since you maintain access to both ends of the line... - Patrick

@Daniel_4.27 Жыл бұрын

@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM thank you for responding and my mistake thought I heard you say it gave more control over the pull thanks I'm a huge fan love the mistake videos keep up the good work

@briankleinschmidt3664 Жыл бұрын

Use that technique for hollow trees. If the tree is solid, you're just adding wear and tear on your equipment. There are some species that like to barber chair. Use this technique on them, too.

@snowyseb Жыл бұрын

The no ad ons sticker on the truck 😂😂😂

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

Firm rule

@snowyseb Жыл бұрын

@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM The good old "while you're here" or the neighbour coming over and asking for a quote and then explaining that doing the job now would save us driving back....

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

@@snowyseb Exactly

@samuelluria4744 Жыл бұрын

Customers are the WORST!!!

@johndavy3073 Жыл бұрын

Impressive.

@murphy4trees 2 ай бұрын

It would have been nice to show another hinge as thick as that cut in a standard way on those other trees and compare the performance. It certainly looks like the fibers had a lit of bend... seems like making the extra cut to block the face would be even better. The real question is, how well does it hold against side lean.. I didn't like seeing your buddy under the boom of the loader... hope you had the safety engaged

@Farmer_Jon_ 2 ай бұрын

I like the cut because they delay allows you to get out of dodge before theres trouble

@brandeezhowzr4102 Жыл бұрын

Why?

@jacobbuckley8232 Жыл бұрын

What if u didn't have the machine to pull it over?

@Dr.Reason Күн бұрын

This is twice I have seen this cut method shown, and both times it didn’t seem to work any better than a conventional cut. What am I missing?

@brucemartini2288 Жыл бұрын

i saw through the tree, for a sec.🤣🤣

@stephenxburrage Жыл бұрын

Woah, gonna try this. I wonder if it works well with hardwoods

@ericharris893 Жыл бұрын

Works best on hardwoods. Keeps the hinge longer. Great for side lean

@conniedrumjr275 Жыл бұрын

I have cut down a lot of trees and I just can’t sleep what you’re getting from this

@tannerparmer893 Жыл бұрын

Makes sense

@jamesrussell6870 Жыл бұрын

Next, wider notch on way off camber lean to see how long hinge will last???

@simd510 Жыл бұрын

why did you need a pull line for such a straight forward tree?

@Imageloading... Жыл бұрын

I've never seen a vertical cut at the point of the wedge(front).... and I've only seen/used this with taller vertical cuts, like over a foot tall. Logger Wade shows cuts like this! I've tried them and they hold on longer than this. The first vertical cut should be behind the hinge... unless you're using it to swing (steer), but that's still quite different and too complicated without pics/video

@user-be1ng8tp8u Жыл бұрын

👍

@ChrisSmith-fp1gg Жыл бұрын

Wedge cut and a back cut all that's needed

@henningpieterjordan7416 8 ай бұрын

Nice...but to laborious..😮😊

@lancecardillo733 Жыл бұрын

How many days did it take to cut and film this. I fell asleep

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

Several days and nights were spent on this tree

@leethurston4774 Жыл бұрын

What would be the point of using that cut?

@jonnynoble4415 Жыл бұрын

When would this cut be used and why?

@kennethowenby2600 Жыл бұрын

Yeah what he said

@JEEDUHCHRI Жыл бұрын

I could see it being used on a heavy side leaner and you’re trying to directionally fell it away from the lean. Maintaining a strong hinge to prevent the hinge of popping on one side.

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

@@JEEDUHCHRI Yes, or backleaner, that's the first use case that David describes for this cut... I want to try it out on something really brittle like Norway Maple.... - Patrick

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

@@kennethowenby2600 Check out David's tutorial video for more in depth discussion... - Patrick

@user-zq2ko2nj6e Жыл бұрын

Здорово!

@claytonclark8389 5 ай бұрын

I understand that this is a technique is used for better directional control, not sure why such a straight tree was used as an example.

@barrybri Жыл бұрын

My first thought is that this cut might increase the chances of a barberchair on tree prone to splitting , so maybe you should wrap a ratchet strap around the trunk.

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

My first thought as well, that's what I first commented on David's tutorial - Patrick

@Northwoods208 Жыл бұрын

It actually lessens the odds of a barberchair, it allows the tension to be released slowly and step by step. It works good on alder. We don't have a name for it, we just refer to that as double or triple hinge

@Imageloading... Жыл бұрын

@@Northwoods208 but do you have a vertical cut in front of hinge? I've never seen it done like that

@Northwoods208 Жыл бұрын

@@Imageloading... no, not unless in putting in a sizwheel, but that serves a different purpose entirely

@Imageloading... Жыл бұрын

@@Northwoods208 I couldn't remember the name of the sizwheel, but yes I agree. And the vertical cuts should start after the hinge, and extend both below and above point of wedge, and be lots taller. Like over a foot

@tjerkheringa937 3 ай бұрын

Nice! It feels a bit like barberchair risky to me

@tylertowler7801 4 ай бұрын

Nice job on the fins, your aim was great, very symmetrical. This cut doesnt seem practical though, atleast i fail to see the point in the extra cuts. Not sure why you'd want to leave more hinge wood, seems like higher risk of barber chair.

@hphillips7425 Жыл бұрын

Looks like a slower more controlled fall

@gregtaylor8327 Жыл бұрын

Lots of time on your hands.

@jpopelish Жыл бұрын

I doubt there is much benefit to having two, stacked hinges. I would make the first plunge cut and then make the notch cut, at both top and bottom of the plunge, leaving a vertical face to bend. Then a second plunge right behind the first, to define the bending section. Then the back cut to meet the top of the second plunge, to lessen the chance of the second plunge turning into a barber chair.

@BigAshTree8711 Жыл бұрын

What is the benefits of cutting this notch

@justinsnyder6256 Жыл бұрын

The hinge wont fail as easy. Even with a side lean. How much? well thats experience to know what you can get away with.

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

Check out David's tutorial which is linked at the end of this video... - Patrick

@redgreen8159 Жыл бұрын

I don't suggest using that with maple or alder. It looks like your asking for a barber chair.

@melissasmess2773 Жыл бұрын

Very helpful information, please wear gloves and stay safe.

@kennethowenby2600 Жыл бұрын

Someone not sure of his knots

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

Saturday knots....

@Dragon64646 11 ай бұрын

Nice cut, man. Did you use a STIHL chainsaw?

@blueplasma5589 Жыл бұрын

3 gills and two hinges!!!

@samuelluria4744 Жыл бұрын

My problem with this video is that you didn't get around to affixing a bollard to your mini. What's all this running line through the D-ring and tying knots malarkey??? At least you could just girth-hitch a Portie to the D-ring...

@randyshaffersr.785 9 ай бұрын

I believe u call that a sis well cut

@bernardsimonet9477 14 күн бұрын

Pourquoi arrivé en tête, place suffisante et dégagée pour 1 coupe sans soucis? Pourquoi tant d entailles? 1 coupe d entailledirectionnelle aurait suffit! Ensuite coupe d abattage classique. Pourquoi tant de chichis? J avoue ne pas comprendre?

@RobertSmith-mo5ux Жыл бұрын

seems a little excessive for such a simple job however, it is just a demonstration of the technique.

@brianquigley7336 Жыл бұрын

Funny how someone can see someone else do something stupid and think that's the way to go.

@OriginalTailhunter Жыл бұрын

What is the purpose? Seems like a bunch of extra work for nothing.

@kennethowenby2600 Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't this's also cause more of a chance of barberchair

@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Жыл бұрын

That was my first thought when I saw it, I would ratchet strap on a big hardwood that's for sure... - Patrick

@whiskey4553 Жыл бұрын

that third plunge cut wasn't doing anything and increases the likelyhood of an upward split when pulling with machinery.

@jackriley5974 Жыл бұрын

As Sgt. Schultz said, "very interesting - but stupid"!!

@bryanbrown1788 Жыл бұрын

No need to be fancy when you have equipment!

@douglassmith2388 Жыл бұрын

Terrible video. Does not explain or show how to dothe double or triple hinge cut, merely the results of a downed tree. At the end, the feller admits he didn't do it perfectly. Also didn't show us how to do it

@spidennis Жыл бұрын

Batter up! Your turn. Show us how it’s done. This was his first one. How many have you shown now? Link to your channel?

@matthewpolo227 Жыл бұрын

I HOPE THE HALF GLASS EMPTY COMMENTERS PAY BETTER ATTENTION TO TREE WORK THAN THEY DO WATCHING VIDEOS.

@MrLibertyHugger Жыл бұрын

It’s a triple hinge. Everyone knows that. Just ask Logger Wade

@timothyboone5003 8 ай бұрын

The triple hinge is used to swing heavy leaners. It’s not useful nor practical on this tree. I highly question your first vertical cut. By cutting into your felling notch you have basically created a Dutchman that will cause the first hinge to prematurely fail. I’ve never seen a triple hinge set up this way. That’s just my opinion.