Whereas Americans would say Norman was “pretty damn furious” lmfaooo

@@jasonbernard9012 Not only 🤔

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that's like 70% of the greatness of the channel!

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Hahaha!😂 Well said!

Also, after World War I killed so many men in her age group, she probably thought that she would not find another suitor. At 27, she was entering the age period when women were considered spinsters. If she thought she was pregnant, then she and Norman had been intimate. No longer a virgin, she may have felt no other man would marry her.

if a woman finally has the strength to tell you directly she doesn't want anything to do with you any longer, believe her, too.You should have read between the lines much earlier, stupid! Besides, i thinkhe didn't do it

Paloma San Basilio Yep!

And the story that being a 24y.o.typist had to put her fingers to rest. Quitting job and the money they needed.

spamskanal or her

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But he did keep telling her it was over. She is the one who wouldn't take no for an answer and she kept chasing him.because she was obsessed with the thought that she should get marriied. He wasn't playing with her emotions, he told her many times that he had a new girlfriend. But Elsie kept on turning up on his doorsteo. Honestly, she sounds crazy. How on earth did she imagine that she coukd raise children in a shed?

@@emmablake6538 Lol. yeah after 4 years of her prime , he did say that. Its not like todays world. Today people , woman get married in 50s,60s and even after that. Today women also date and marry people much younger then them. In the past you were a sly, characterless woman if you dated younger guy. so judge her case with that societal context. She wanted to get marry. No doubt abt it. so Desperately that it Didnt matter if it was to a poor, dishonourable cheat. Haha. Amd he kept her dangling with that promise...because there was that engagement too, not just dating.

You look good and can drag me to the church as soon as you like. On second thoughts, make it the pub.

@@emmablake6538 he told her that while sleeping with her... It's not like possible pregnancies come from thin air.

Exactly why people, especially women need to give up the idea that there is a limited age at which you can get married, that there is an obligation to one person to marry you.

TawnyC yeah, business got worse, got an excuse for setting aside the wedding but also got a chance to have a new girl and presumed his innocence for the death of his fiancée to get away with it. Yeah, a very lame alibi.

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@lois lane Omg, that's the funniest reply I've seen a very long time! 😍 Good one!

Tawny C Elsie was very possessive and was demanding more tan he could provide during WW I Elsie was working and still demanding more from Norman could provide. I’m surprised that he didn’t see this sooner. After 4 years in a relationship she was becoming old maid status in her life.

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Indeed. Which might go some way to explaining her state of mind at that point in time.

She may well have believed herself to be pregnant

Oldest trick in the book. Smh

That’s what I was listening out for too. Thanks for sharing

Why didn't he just take the next preparatory step and have either a sausage maker or woodchipper on site? Such ghastly, barbaric butchery.

He probably panicked

@@--enyo-- , 😂.. Panicked?! 😂 Okay

I agree too if you find a dead person in your house call the cops unless he killed her himself and tried to hide the body

@@--enyo-- If he actually found her dead, a person of low character could possibly panic and try to dispose of the body. But hack off the legs and head? No. Psychologically speaking, that’s a nearly impossible choice for an innocent man. That’s a final step for someone who’s already far in over his head emotionally with murder.

Valéria Almeida she should have left him alone and moved on

@@Catglittercrafts That was the better solution, but easier said than done back then.

Valéria Almeida - uh no, couples still broke up back then. They weren’t married, they didn’t have a child together & she still lived at home. They had nothing forcing them together. She just couldn’t move on. In modern times we call people like her stalkers

Valéria Almeida murder wasn’t a very good option either She was a crazy desperate bitch I’m sure she could have thrown her pussy at some other sucker who would have gladly married her

@@leriava I agree. I feel so bad for her, she invested 4 years into that relationship only to be strung along then dumped. She did not deserve what happened to her.

From parents too.

Here too in US deep South

Well said! I totally agree! Plus you can't force love

She should have left him 4 years earlier.

well people just hook up for sex then break up because they don’t relate.. well obviously? U just made a decision with your genitalia not your brain... then girls have the nerve to mock male virgins which is just sad

And remember the pain inside will pass. It always does.

Agreed, however it is never known what the victim knows, feeling, or future plans are. Maybe a whole new life..? Others can easily take strength away and hold guilt

She must not have had so much self respect and at her age, at that time, did not have the respect of others. His leading her on for 4 years was selfish. I wish she was still looking around like he had been.

Really? I don't know. I think he was so desperate to not get caught being seen with Elsie that he just lost his mind and made the dumbest decision possible

I wonder if she was really pregnant, or if she was just trying to trap him into marriage.

@@markcadieux3445 I wondered the same thing! 👍

@Brittany Bennett I'm not saying he didn't murder her. I'm saying that it wasn't 100% that he for sure that he did. Let's say he did murder her....I would use this as a cautionary tale to not try and trap people. That goes for both genders

I believe he killed her. Not rational a person chops up a body after not killing the person....lol

Damn that sounds interesting

@@waverider8549 it is. Ive only been able to find one book about her and there just isnt much internet content on her. It's actually sort of bizarre.

Hello, A Mexican friend told me about her a few years ago as she escaped from prison in Mexico City and has never been since since, i have never read or studied it but I will now - Thanks for the suggestion :)

@@BriefCaseOfficial I am now looking forward to this

Betty James She seemed "pushy" a woman lot of times know when you avoid marriage. Move on find someone better. Just my opinion.

@@myrnamiranda9653 Yes! Exactly!

Four years is not unusual at all

Elsie was fine!-as long as she was helping Norman with the grunt work. It was after Norm had a half-successful farm that he set his sights “higher.” Could have been some ‘stage mgmt’ by Elsie in killing herself, but why not call dear old dad for advice if you find your rejected girlfriend hanging from the cross beams? This guy rode 100 miles on a bike weekends. If ever there had been a time to get on your bike or buy a ticket... Let the ex at least have a funeral if you’re innocent. He owed her that much.🐣

There's two sides to a story. The other side you'll never hear because she was dead during the investigation.

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Norman after 4 years of engagement, wasting someones prime and using for free labor in farm: i don't have financial means to get married. Elsie: huh?! Norman: new girlfriend Elsie:huh?! Norman: stab stab Elsie's spirit: huh?! Norman robbing a dead body: i can sell the jwellery , i can gift the watch. Stupid people: its Elsie's fault! You can't judge elsie's with todays societal parameters… yeah she wasnt faultless but Nothing compared to the gigantic fault of character that is Norman.

As it was found that Elsie wasn't pregnant at all when the autopsy was performed, she was using emotional blackmail and outright lies to trap a man who didn't want her. Therefore, I don't think the blame can be put entirely at Thorne's door.

In other words she was a needy pain in the ass. That was only going to get worse over time with all her illnesses and ailments.

Has anyone considered that she might have actually thought she was pregnant? This was years ago.. pregnancy was not as easy to be sure of. You couldn’t just piss on a stick from Poundland!

@@kerrydita1 exactly so Kerry. Poor Elsie. Maybe she went to a Catholic school? She'd have no clue about her body's internal workings.

@@caroliner2029 even back in the '70's most girl' s were ignorant of their bodies workings... I mean I started my period at 11 and thought I was dying.

Right? He only made it worse (assuming he DIDN'T actually kill her).

If he really wanted to get rid of the body, he'd have thrown the bits into a pig pen. There was a mob guy who lived in my hometown, he was (supposedly) a clean up guy. They'd give him the bodies, he'd feed his pigs.

Chickenfarmer10 pickton pig farm

@@patstone3259 Canadian bacon made with real Canadians!

@@AFarmerCalledChicken Sounds like your just trying to get attention away from yourself mr chickenfarmer... 🤔

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I totally agree. I love the narration for this channel

Yes, I agree with your conclusions . He should have just risked having a weird lady show up at his place occasionally Or....Elsie might have attempted to kill him, but he could have defended himself.

Apparently she was not pregnant

I would say that holds true for modern murderers, but don't forget he was working a chicken ranch. He no doubt slaughtered chickens on the regular. Not saying it's the same thing, but those who have worked on farms with animals are probably more accustomed to blood and guts than the rest of us. Having said that, I'm always shocked when the story goes, "I just kept hitting her until she stopped moving. And then I cut her up." O_O As if that's the logical next step. :D

Very Interesting, Maybe you should look into it

@@BriefCaseOfficial And if you find that it was her, maybe comment again giving us an update of whatever happened to her. Thanks

Pauline Yuhas - Norman was only going to marry her at that point because of the pregnancy. So the parenting advice is the same as any parent would give. If you don’t love her, if you really don’t want to marry her & if you’d only do it if she’s pregnant then wait & see if she’s actually pregnant. She obviously wasn’t pregnant, because no fetus was found with her remains, so she had been lying in an attempt to force him into marriage.

Juniper S yeah true, but he strung her along for 4 years , so it still makes him a Jerk.

Pauline Yuhas he was honest all 4 years, they didn’t have the money to get married. But she wouldn’t stop with the pressure, even faking a pregnancy to try & force a marriage. If bad parents don’t advice their poverty stricken children to marry women that fake pregnancies then I guess I’m a horrible parent because I’d tell my kid to run the hell away from the nut job.

Pauline Yuhas I read more on the case & the biggest problem with her pregnancy claim was that they had never had sex. She was desperate to get married & knew money was the main issue, yet she quit all her jobs for different reasons. Her family was pressuring him to marry her because her own family was wanting her out of the house. I’m not saying she deserved to be murdered, but she’s not completely blameless for him snapping.

@@junipers7174 I agree, many men told their sweethearts in those days that they didn't want to marry until they set themselves up financially, this was in fact being responsible, because there were no pensions in those days (except small stipends for disabled military service), so if a married man died the wife was left with children, if they couldn't find employment, it meant the workhouse. So saying no to marriage until financially independant was actually quite common. Though i will add, he obviously didn't want to marry her.

NGMonocrom he told her but she didn’t accept it.

@@Indusxstan That's when you call the police and have her escorted off your property. No, he strung her along for years.

@@Indusxstan He told her when it was convinient for HIM not when it was the right time. She was 25/26 and would’ve been considered a spinster.

bzkrALLAH or she could have let it go and dated someone else

Bloom i agree with both yourself and the initial commentor 🤷‍♀️

@@Catglittercrafts you forget it was a different time back then. Women didn't just "move on" without killing their image. She also already felt that she'd wasted her life.

@Lon Hixson Just because Norman's father had suspicions doesn't mean she wasn't pregnant. We don't know whether she was or not. They'd been engaged for a few years by this point. He was certainly tricking her into sleeping with him by promising marriage but not following through. If anything this story is a good illustration of why feminism is a good thing for society. Look how far we've come. It's no longer shocking and shameful for a woman of 27 to be unmarried and earning her own living. People can have sex before marriage without stigma for either party.

@@Catglittercrafts her health problems probably led to her taking his crap. The moral of the story is don't play games with people.

Idk if this is true but Wikipedia said they never had sex. So her claiming she was pregnant is.... odd. Lol. She sounds like she Miss Nutty von Crazybroad. Poor dude. You still can't kill her and chop her up. I feel like that shouldn't have been something he needed spelled out to him. 😐 😊

@Stephen Gleason so just because she lacked empathy was a reason let her die and chop her up?

@Stephen Gleason still not a reason to do what he did

@@shanware2 Commenters are also not grasping how different a time it was.

@Brittany Bennett You, who get all worked up by strawmen you build of strangers on the internet are literally the people that ruin it lol.

Thanks thats very nice of you but I think that there are many narrators who are way better

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No hope for me then I’m 40 with no husband or kids 😂

Maybe they just put human relationships above material success in those days. If you couldn't succeed with the former, what does the latter mean?

its kinda coming back, and much in certain new cultures and peoples in the usa, at least. now we are over populated. and live longer.. back then people wanted to start early due to not living as long and much if it money reasons, and no jobs for woman to stay decent on own.. ps...the good ole days were the late 70s- to about 1991. :)

Most of the eligible men were dead or broken on the fields of Flanders. The available pool was somewhat smaller than normal. That's why the women were more competitive in the early 1920's.

@@bobburnitt5389 Sounds like she isn't the only one a bit nuts....?

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I don’t understand these comments. People are acting like He’s a victim for stringing her along. What sympathy does he deserve? It’s not like anyone forced him to be with her and make all these promises to her? I don’t see how it’s her fault that he wasted her time. He only came clean once he found someone else. That seems very selfish to me. Yeah she was a bit delusional but he kept on feeding her delusions by promising her that he eventually would marry her once he made more money.

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People do bizarre things when they are under stress.

Soreofhing spell checkers are a pain in the ass

@@btbrick7908 As are people who are to lazy to learn how to do it properly themselves.

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@@rambleon3698 " are too lazy to"

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Either that, or maybe something like MS.

Good point. Chronic pain is draining, and she possibly wasn't thinking clearly when she continued to ask Norman to marry her, and wait for him to make it happen. She should have walked away, but she loved him. Maybe she didn't have many wise people in her life to guide her and give her some good counsel. Maybe she didn't know what a good relationship feels like, and so she stayed. We only have his version of events about her being "pushy", "clingy", "needy" etc. Waiting four+ years for a man isn't "pushy" by any stretch of the imagination. It sounds like he was a Narcissist, and she was in devaluation, so nothing that she did was going to be right. He wouldn't break up with her, but enjoyed the drama, and her pain, as he told her that he had someone else, but kept her dangling.