All Cards fans know that this can't be it? If Mo sticks with these three and packs for winter, it will be another long season. Gray, Gibson and Lynn will not cut it. Cardinals have not been aggressive in Mozeliak's tenure. Maybe DeWitt is too cheap? Anyway, they need to go big or go home.

The cardinals are done already in ‘24, replace Monty with Gray, that’s basically a wash, and replace Flaherty and Waino with two guys that will be just as bad for more innings, how does any of that equal more wins next year?

The recipe for "Stink" Mozeliak calling all the shots and Marmol being the puppet dangling from Mozeliak's strings.

this aged beautifully, didn’t sign yamamoto, didn’t trade for cease, no glasnow, no mid tier pitcher. NOTHING. miserable time for cardinals fans

The thinking is they need innings. I heard a stat that the cardinals are 175-56 in the last 3 years when the cardinals get 6+ innings in a start. So i think thats the number that Mo is looking at.

They increased the quality of their bullpen and are taking off the stress on the bullpen by getting us one of the highest quality inning counts in baseball last year we had guys who went 4 innings and gave up 4 runs now we are going to have guys who go 6+ and give up 4 runs much more attainable for the offense to produce and the bullpen was good and got miles better this offseason

Well Yamamoto is going to get 300 plus as of now. Also the Rays got a much better return for Glasnow than what the Cards offered (assuming they made an offer). Right now the only other moves that were realistic were Lugo and Wacha and both are now signed. But then were getting into retirement aged players again with Lugo and Wacha. Thats without even addressing the bullpen that blew 22 plus games last year. Right now their season ceiling is 85 wins.

Smart to start your channel with a Cardinals video. Best fans in baseball, and we love talking shit on Mo as well 👍

Being a cardinal fan I u set stand the frustration to really go after it. With the amount of cash that came off their books after last year led to hopes that money would be allocated to difference makers that would bring us back to relevance rather then mediocre or bounce back candidates. Most cardinal fans saw roughly 60-70 million to fill the rotation. In need of 2-4 starters with atleast one needed if you be a TOR arm. They grabbed that TOR arm in gray to pair with a reasonable 3-4 ish spot in mikolas. they have reasonable pieces that are capable of producing around average numbers for a typical bottom of the rotation, guys like Thompson, liberatore, and some recently acquired prospects (robberse, kloff, rom) or guys that did enough at AAA to be worthy of a shot to crack the rotation (graceffo, mcgreevy) Then another high upside that aren’t quite as far along (hence, roby). A couple other arms that aren’t to far along from deserving a shot. So some felt we could go grab another top guy to go with gray and mikolas and let the battle for the other 2 spots get decided. I don’t think we cheaper out. I’m fact the money comes to be pretty equal had it been gray + Yama rather then the gray, Gibson, Lynn. I think it was the fear of signing a pitcher long term to high dollar no matter who it was. They were comfortable with the term for gray and then just the year commitment elsewhere. The problem was risking money into a future that they seem to be comfortable with the quality talent and depth they have in the arms department. They believe that in the next 1-2 years they will know more about what they need and what they have. Rather then completely blocking these future arms they stuck to a short term rotation that will need 2 spots filled next year (Lynn, Gibson) 2 the next (mikolas, matz) and then the 5th (gray) the following year as they funnel in Hence, Roby, hjerpe, graceffo, mcgreevy, and back up options (kloffenstein, robberse, bedell, Hansen, rajcic, mautz, showalter, Mathews) Now 3 years down the road you got your young rotation and a better idea of if you need to spend high dollar to something you may not have needed. Sure we have been spoiled and see that if we don’t get a top pitcher we’re don’t have a good chance. But in reality with another good starter isn’t pushing us to the top and patience is the better play here. Even though we had the money to go get two top guys and probably be better right now, it would bleed into the future allocated money which we have done reasonably well of having cleared the future books to go along with talented players on pre arb or early arb contracts. Be patient for 1or 2 years. realistically we have some exciting youth, let it play out and what you have in a few years could be extremely special.

Things may be different if they're not told to tank this year. I've never seen any team find so many creative ways to lose late in the game - it was something and someone different every night.

I am sooo bummed out!!!

Starting to realize the lineup is barley average as well. Not gonna win many games when they strike out 10+ times a game.

The Rays aren’t giving up Glasnow for a bum

Well, yes and no when it comes to these pitchers age. Yes, they are old but no, that doesn’t mean they are more likely to get injured.

I think the 2024 cardinals will be better then 2023 and I honestly think the additions we have made while nothing flashy or significant can set us up well for the deadline and keep us right where we want to be.

Just you fuckin wait till Boston's finest Packy Naughton has the breakout of all breakouts as a mid season additions once he's done rehabbing in Triple A Memphis

Can’t wait to show this to friends and family in late July when we’re ahead by 8 games

This watches like a video that is 2 weeks old. Have any opinions changed based on YY signing for 100 schmill more than projected + the glassnow ext I personally would want cease or 1 more off the radar arm or some bullpen help-but I think the work they’ve done this year projects to be far better than what 23 ended up being. Replacing stl monty w/sonny is an upgrade. Replacing Jack/waino (59 era+) w/lynn & Gibson is an upgrade & all 3 moves combined should help the bullpen improve w/less innings to cover

Anybody else upset with them changing the bar seating area and making them some club house seats

what do you think of the ohtani to the dodgers deal

We made no moves at all. Let’s just pray we can sneak into the playoffs. I think we could be a little bit better but I don’t know, still excited for Cardinals baseball

The Cardinals have the 10th highest payroll, and the third oldest roster. And they are ALREADY a disaster. The oldest starting rotation in the majors, hitters that are clearly showing trouble catching up to the fastball, questionable defense, and a minor league system that continually disappoints. It's going to be a LONG GD decade....

The best thing we got going is that it’s baseball and anything can happen. 😅

It is going to be a loooooong season. Last year was bad and this year isn't going to get better. Why the Cardinals have gone to being an old folks team is beyond me. We don't have Duncan to coach the pitches and help these old guys find some life in their arm.

Dylan Cease is basically the same pitcher as Jack Flaherty

I wish the Cards had the balls to sign Trevor Bauer .

The Cardinals aren’t willing to part with $750,000 to sign Trevor Bauer, but will throw $10,000,000 at Lance Lynn.

Mets should have never let Lugo walk.

As a Cardinals fan, we will never be good again until the DeWitt family sells the team. Which will never happen. I wanna die

I hear the Cardinals are interested in Jordan Lyles.

As of today our reality remains no contender in 2024. Goldschmidt is washed up offensively and Arenado looks to be on the slippery slope downward also. Victor Scott today looks very misplaced as an MLB anything. We cannot stop the steal , regardless of which catcher is in. I'll give this team 79 wins this year as long as defensively we stay healthy. Blessing in disguised may be Goldschmidt find the DL and Burleson turns out to be a real good fielder and real good hitter. Im not at all confident Jordan Walker is ready for MLB pitching nor am I confident Scott is either.

We should have extended Montgomery while we had the chance, we are so cheap except when it comes to overpaying aging players. Let's see what they shell out to Goldschmidt. Truth is even if we add another good starter we need at least 2 good bullpen arms and our offense is still inconsistent, so to mse we still wouldn't be a world series contender, look at how we fizzled out in Pujols and Molinas final year. This team is not close to that one in my opinion.

As Cardinal Nation, we hope Mozaliak is bluffing and looking to trade for a younger stud. Hoping a Bieber/Clase trade could be pulled off, if not Cease

Yamamoto, gray, and cease/glasnow? Do you live in the real world? Matz for glasnow would literally never happen. Ever

The organization doesn’t care about winning. They can make money losing

I’m here from the beginning

making it seem that easy

We are so fucked...

So will the Cardinals allow Lynn and Gibson pitch 6 innings if they already gave up 4-5 runs by the 4th inning.

Listen, it would work if you had a good bullpen, they want innings eaters, and don’t care if they give up 3-5 runs. That could work, if you had a shutdown bullpen that could come in and leave it at 3-5 runs, but they’re trying to do that with a bullpen that’s going to come out and give up 3 more runs, it won’t work.

They don't want to win, managed by Oli, and run by Mo !!

until the brewers trade away their best pitcher, and the Cubs sit and do nothing all offseason. Pirates are nothing to the Cardinals, so the only real competitor for the NL Central, are the Reds

When you dont have good starting pitching dont expect to have a successful season. 24 will be no different.. Lynn , gibson , miles and matz as your # 2 thru ,#5 is a joke.. If you think st louis have a good chance to go deep into the post season you obviously dont know anything about baseball.

Cheapo Dewitt. The Cardinals are already out of the playoff race next year.

Am I the only one that thinks $22M for a 1 year deal for Lynn and Gibson is a terrific gamble? They have large upsides and that's cheap enough to cut 'em loose, bullpen, or trade for spare parts if they suck.

Cardinals can't outbid either NY team or LA or Boston for Yamamoto. Glassnow is very injury prone. Lance Lynn will be better than Wainwright in 2024. Gibson will Gibson. The Cardinals waived the white flag in July and just let minor leaguers get playing time. I personally think the Cardinals are a.500 team right now. This before unloading Matz, O'Neil, Carlson, or any infield depth. It's easy to be an armchair GM. The Cardinals supposedly offered Nola 6 years 162 million. He chose Philadelphia.

Womp womp this take is not aging well

Gee,why don t you Nostradamus's predict who will win the triple crown?and btw I notice none of you are front office people,former players.hit the fckin road

It will fail miserably because it’s just a dressed up version of what they always do- half measures.

Lol

Card fans need to go fishing for the next few years instead of waisting 3 hours watching this trash.

hell yeah. i hate the cardinals.