I feel targeted

hehehe, um you mean any wizard, warlock, cleric, druid, (and maybe bards idk) and most of the half casters (ranger, pally and whatever else is a half caster.) However sorcerers are and have always been a spontaneous caster they don't prepare spells at all. The pull from their pool of spells know whatever spell is needed at the time. 5E makes this even better cause they can take a level 1 spell and cast it at level 4 and enhance it with meta-magic. If you read through their spell casting rules you will not find a rule on their preparation of spells for this reason.

LunarRose nerd

@@Neptunequeen42 XD, yes I am

@Viktor Magnusson Yeah most of what made sorcerers special in past editions has been given to pretty much every caster class now. Before the Wizard needed to prepare his amount of fireballs or whatever for the day and when he was out of them he was out of them regardless of if he still had slots available. This was wonky so I'm not opposed to it being changed however a wizard can now prepare from his known spells and as long as it's prepared for the day he can cast it as many times as he wants as long as he has slots available that can be used for that spell. Metamagics were supposedly given only to Sorcs now but even that's not true as a lot of caster subclasses give metamagic or even stronger equivalents to their chosen genre of spell. Especially wizards getting very strong and most are always active metamagic like abilities, while also having their near infinite spell options, as well as more casts per day, and getting spells for free, and having the best options in magic items solely for their class. In all honesty Sorcs drew the short straw this edition as they have very little that makes them unique and aside from subclass flare they don't get all that much in the base class.

3rd: an extremely powerful wizard

It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

It's always the wizards you have to be careful of... Well, next to the bards of course: www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/fbwoxt/art_half_dragon_player_race_finalized_after/

"I Told You!"

@@rewritable_ one can still be paranoid even if someone really is out to get them. it's like phobia, just because the something they are afraid of they SHOULD be afraid of doesn't make it not a phobia. the saying is supposed to be "Just because he's paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get him"

Lol

That “oh shit” moment when fighting something that you realize is several levels of power above you

@@sanddry738 not level, magnitude. Nice comment though

Considering he has a +24 to hit just from his strength, so probably over +30 with his proficiency, I doubt he'll be missing too many attacks either

I love giving my players these moments

Great dungeons think alike.

... it's actually a pretty good idea. Top most dangerous dungeons.

@some kinda guy *The strongest &*

@some kinda guy Best comment award to you

That would be a toss-up between Undermountain and Myth Drannor.

Yeah that "fucking raw power" was very uncharacteristic of him and a big emphasis.

Where is the chill? Dear god there isn't any

@@sebbychou you know when he throws the F bomb, you dont want to mess with this dragon.

@@taco9061 nice attention to word placement

Thats exactly what I was thinking

Dragonborn could defeat him. Dragonborn can defeat any dragon, that's his purpose for existing. essentially the hand of the dragon god, made to keep dragons from crushing other races entirely. If it's a dragon, Dragonborn can defeat it.

How about Half Dragon? www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/fbwoxt/art_half_dragon_player_race_finalized_after/

@@baneblackguard584 The joke is meant on the fact that they were created and ensalved by them, bruh. EDIT- In other words, you are taking it out of context.

Geo Leo Bruh, he means Skyrim

@@baneblackguard584 Dragonborn is also the name of a race in DnD bud

Kirby would be CR 300, I think.

Kirby alone is a cr 2, but he takes on the stats of whatever he inhales

To put into perspective a neutorium golem is both a CR 9721, and is a universal level threat, yet Kirby has taken down his fair share of universal threats. So you do the math.

@@manuelcamara6400 ... make that CR 200000

Sentient bag of devourment that can inhale up to a large creature, then polymorphs as that creature.

Well not so much, it is more that Red Dragons are more iconic. Though in my head canon the Red Half Dragons are simply more aggressive as as people and expand faster: www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/fbwoxt/art_half_dragon_player_race_finalized_after/

Daniel Lamb They are more ambitious after all.

Well, they would be winning in Faerûn if Inferno could be bothered, he can't. Some say he is part Honey Badger.

Well I guess the reason is because red dragons and chromatic dragons in general go out of their way to display their power trying to gain worshippers to become gods there are likely a lot of very powerful metallic dragons who are either unknown or have not been named

In old school D&D, good creatures were universally more powerful and more rare than their evil counterparts. It only makes sense to leave a gap for the 'good' players to make a difference. For some reason that has changed in modern D&D. It probably has something to do with it becoming more popular for the player's to be villains--not sure, though.

Is there somewhere to read all of that?

@@Wyrm7774 (thinks)... jeez, been ages since I looked up his lore... thing there is a page about him in the forgotten realms wiki? But i can't remember now. But yea, he was a super powerful and cool dragon... maybe a little op

He seems like a decent dragon to hang out, like he spend most of his time chilling or being in other land…. Until daddy Bahamut/ mommy timat or who ever power enough/respected call him to do some errands.

Not destroy magic when mantling a god unlike Karsus.

A 13th lvl spells allows the caster to kill your Dm and escape from the confines of fantasy into the real world.

@@Coolerx2x A 14th level spell allows you, not your PC, to mantle a real life god.

@@Coolerx2x The ultimate dream of the Red Mages from 8-Bit Theatre.

In my world (Created as a hobby, still ongoing) the two thirteenth level spells are "Control" and "Obliterate". Control makes you the DM, Obliterate destroys the multiverse. Literally, if you cast Control, you get all of the files for the world, and if you cast Obliterate, I delete them. The material components for either is a little ball made of the essence of thousands of my equivalent of Greater Deities. The only time either was ever cast was when Perampas Tidak Bijaksana, the first mortal, tore off the hand of Pencipta Yang Bijaksana, the Creator, and used it as the material components for both Obliterate, on Pencipta, and control, on nothingness. That was how magic was created - from the essence of their corpses. Greater Deities in my world are people who embody a single concept entirely. For example, Vallin, the god of death, who can kill anyone instantly with no option for coming back ever. They are granted additional power by the essence of Pencipta and Perampas. You also must be one of these Deities to cast the spells. Not to mention, the orb is contained within a nation that is protected by dozens of these Deities, none of whom would ever cast the spells, nor can they. Because the final qualification to cast them? Every other being in all of existence must agree, as well as all other beings who have ever existed. Perampas and Pencipta were the only two beings when the spells were cast. Pencipta was brainwashed into accepting it. (Yes, the omnipotent Creator of everything was beaten down by Perampas.)

I mean.... yes and no

You mean the anti-fun police?

@@teddycouch9306 so yesnt

No... Forgotten realms is based on real books by an author. WotC would make higher lvl content if it existed. There are stat blocks for gods avatars in 5e

Same! His dragon content inspired me to homebrew a Half Dragon player race: www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/fbwoxt/art_half_dragon_player_race_finalized_after/

Me too, I really want to see the gem dragons in 5e

@@cheepcheep4499 thatd be amazing. Id love to run a dragon heavy campaign in 5E. Beyond what is offered in hoard of the dragob queen and rise of taimat.

how hard is it to just translate the stats from ADnD and 3/3.5 into 5e terms? Behaviorally and in concept dragons will still be the same regardless of edition. I never played 4th or 5th so I'm talking out of my ass, here, of course.

@@tree_alone it looks very difficult as the way they read are vastly different to me in stats. having never played 3/3.5 or 4 i couldn't say. it might be easier than it seems to me but i honestly have no idea.

CR 30 is her avatar, a mere shadow of her power.

@@dragohammer6937 how strong would she be in full force?

@@dragohammer6937 interesting. What about asmodeus? He's a cr 39 yet there are dragons who arnt full gods who are higher than him?

@@thumbsup1214 he's not a god, just the most powerfull devil, and dragons where basically born to be powerfull.

You could probably beat up your mom yet she still has influence over you

Check out the Brotherhood of the Griffin novels if you want to read about his return during the 4e era. Definitely my favorite forgotten realms novels.

I greatly prefer Inferno. his power doesn't come from worshippers or deities. he's just raw power incarnate.

Fishing Rod of Fuck you

Hear me out; Amulet of supremacy harpoon.

So you are out in the wild with this ingenious construction. Suddenly a dragon appears. The dragon likes that amulet of supremacy. Your last actions?

Or a Dragon riding a bard... www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/fbwoxt/art_half_dragon_player_race_finalized_after/

I'm sorry....

What's big, strong, and ripped? The trampoline.

@@nielsdejong Do you have a social media for your art

@@nielsdejong Bc i love it

A L O T

One time I was playing DND and I came across a Black dragon with my Dwarf Fighter I tamed it so I named it Ancalagon The Death Eater lol

Well ancalagon is the size of a mountain sooo....

@@andyr4810 How the hell did you tame a black dragon?

@@andyr4810 how???

"Mystra, where is Elminster?" "i lost it..."

Eh, more like Archer Gil. Caster uses his fortress and it's turrets. Archer uses Gate of Babylon and chucks a bunch of weapons at you.

@@jkosch Isn't Gilgeam actual Gilgamesh?

@@FireTalon24 I think he means more in the sense that Raulothim fights by using staffs to spam magic attacks the same way CasGil does.

I was told gods weren't allowed on the material planes. So i don't know what a quasi deity is

I would love to see more of his Dragon content! He was the one who inspired my Half Dragon player race homebrew: www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/fbwoxt/art_half_dragon_player_race_finalized_after/

I would like to see this.

Faiths & Avatars, and Faiths & Pantheons is your friend. 2e and 3e books

@@alexmcclay8152 I know. Anyone can just google whatever he's talking about in his videos, look at the sources and call it a day, but that wouldn't be very interesting

Maybe they have plenty of bards going around seducing dragons to keep them at bay? www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/fbwoxt/art_half_dragon_player_race_finalized_after/

a few thousand years before the present day, there used to be floating magical cities and magical items galore. But then they tried, with their unlimited magic, to become godlike and then the goddess of magic fucked them up pretty bad. Now you can't quite get there anymore.

@@MrRhexx quite possibly the best description of that I've ever heard

@@MrRhexx Yeah I heard about that. Karsus Avatar right? Funny how most mainstream fantasy settings are essentially post-post-apocalypses (there was once a great world spanning civilization and now it is in ruins). I think the only thing that can really explain the current status quo is a massive ancient secret society which somehow preserves the status quo for some reason. Maybe they discovered something analogous to the reapers and want to keep technology and magic relatively low lest they attract the attention of some kind of cosmic horror. Maybe they gave Karsus the inspiration for his epic-spell, knowing what would happen. Perhaps they social engineered the spellplague. Is it possible to have such far reaching changes to the vanilla setting for tabletop rpgs? I only know cRPGs. Not familiar with how this sort of game works.

Most of the really really strong monsters just want to be left alone and probably wouldn't seek out and attack a major city like Neverwinter or Waterdeep and even if they did they'd be met with great resistance since like 5 CR30+ characters live in Waterdeep, it's probably not worth the effort, even if you are the chosen Tyrant of a dragon god.

Wizard's slowly remembering they exist.

They are Psionic masters. When there is Magic Nullifiers all over the place, just bring a Gem Dragon for wild Shenanigans. But if you want to go full Psionic, I choose Palladium System.

@@kevynhansyn2902 for me, psionics could easily be what monks draw on, if you really think about it. It could be a more spiritual mind form of chi. And considering stuff like meditation, levitation by windpower, and mind reading powers primarily come from east and has been a eastern practice, makes you wonder why not call psionics a branch of chi? 🤷‍♂️🤔🤨 But that's the thing. Divine dragons (which WAS what the gold was called at ons point), which is another word back in the day for metallics, drew on the more celestial/angelic/godly type of magic source, and arcane dragons (aka chromatics) drew on the more primordial/demonic/devilish/(evil)godly type of magic. The gems were just in between and not really one or the other. A true balance between law/order and chaos/mayhem. But the psionics part has been harmed too hard, as well as a bit on the neutral abuse. People thinking they are ALL types of neutral, when really, the are neutral in morals, like metallics are GOOD in morals, and chromatics are BAD in morals, so they aren't neutral like neutral evil or neutral good, but neutral in lawful neutral, and chaotic neutral. But mainly neutral neutral, if you catch my drift.

Your Brass Dragon seems angry. D:

@@dubuyajay9964 hmm?

Those are just gods at that point

What about Time Dragons?

I was looking to see if someone else remembered those. There is a lot of stuff in the ELH that is more powerful than anything that he's talked about in these videos about the most powerful monsters in D&D.

The Horned King Time Dragon Great Wyrms are CR 90

@@jusquanorthwind1016 ... ok then.

Don't forget chosen of sardior, too.

@@zionthedragon8866 Just so you know, you made get into a rabbit hole of dragons.

@@MiguelAngelGutierrezRamirez huh? I made a get into a rabbit hole? What? I am sorry, I do not understand.

​@@zionthedragon8866 My bad. * Made ME get into a rabbit hole -- as in looking for info on dragon gods and such where one thing leads to another and stuff.

@@MiguelAngelGutierrezRamirez oh. Ok. But I said sardior because he is one of the original 1e dragon gods, WAY before Io was a thing, and all these either grimderp, cringe lolz, mystery saping dragon gods came to play, like hlal, the two wingless drake styled platinum dragons (seriously, there should only be ONE platinum dragon), Null (that's not even a actual god name, that's just lazy writing, and the grimderp name and wannabe edgelord.), Zorquan, and task. ALL those gods are either unnecessary, not needed, poorly executed, fight with certain worlds lore, or just don't make sense and take away from the mystery. Like we don't need task to explain why dragons hoard. The hoarding thing should be a mystery, it adds to the whole idea that dragons may or may NOT have a reason to have the stuff they do. Hlal is your radical extremist sjw who thinks they know what they are talking about but actually have no clue, Tamara and Lendys are just bland original pieces of bahamut's idea of justice. Garyx could easily be absorbed into sardior, for the fire and renewal part (minus the destruction), so no need for garyx anyhow. And finally, Azharul, Kalzareinad, and Kereska are apparently gods of magic, the arcane kind, you know, THE THING MYSTRA CONTROLS?!?! Why would there be a god of magic, when all arcane magic (not counting sorcerers) comes from her? These magic dragons would bring chaos to it, and plus mystra would cuck them, so these magic dragons shouldn't exist. The 2e dragon gods I am so far ok with are Asgorath and Zotha. The rest don't exist to me in forgotten realms setting. Plus 5e seems to have done away with all the dragon gods except Io/asgorath, bahamut, tiamat, and sardior, which in my opinion, is a GOOD thing.

Time Dragons are beyond even that(although in different ways) they reach CR 90 as a Great Wyrm. They have at will time stop with 1 round pauses between cast, permanent haste, immunity to slow, Immunity go any spell that last longer than instantaneous unless it’s cast on it by itself, an Aura that imposed slow on everything within 40ft of it without a saving throw, the ability to have more actions in one turn twice a day, Two Breath Weapons: one a cone that ages everything within it and deals con damage; the other a line that sends people forward in time(effectively removing them from combat for the time between, Advantage on rolls(which wasn’t really a thing in 3.x, but yet they had it) and to kick it all off, they can actively Time travel! With the right preparation they can defeat anything by just escaping and then going back and doubling up on the enemy with themself.

Nick Schoffen do you have a link to that beast’s page. I would like to take a deeper look to it and maybe use it in a one shot or a power show off against one of my parties.

Gamer Dwarf was a little hard to find, but I found a pdf of the old dragon magazine, it’s in the last issue before WotC shifted over to 4e. The issue was #359.

Gamer Dwarf yeah I can’t find exactly which place I got it from to link it •~• sorry :/

Nick Schoffen I’ll try to find it, thanks.

In 3rd Edition a standard adult prismatic had a CR of 39... a great wyrm had one around 70... so yeah, far stronger than anything on these lists.

And then there's the infamous Prismatic-force dragon. The offspring of a prismatic and force dragon

The terrifying thing about the book with force and prismatic dragons also showed how to stat up the other dragons into the magnitudes that those two reach. Using that system an old enough dragon of any type could feasibly reach CR 100 or higher

Force and prismatics are from a generic D&D sourcebook, there aren't actually any NPCs like that in the Forgotten Realms only monsters from Epic Level Handbook that exist there are the le shay (in the Moonshaes), an atropal (there was one in Thay), a few demiliches, an umbral blot (house Karanok in Chessenta) probably the strongest monster is from the novels and has no stats, the Eldest aboleth, it ruled the city of Xxiphu and the Abolethic Sovereignty

Only one prismatic dragon ever existed canonically. Io/Asgorath. Force Dragons havent been seen in forgotten realms either, and the "prismatic-force dragon" doesnt exist.

We all did, I was wondering when he will FINALLY upload it, the wait is unberable

Same! This is now an amazing week, no matter what happens! Funny thing is, is that this guy actually inspired the very homebrew that I finished this week: www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/fbwoxt/art_half_dragon_player_race_finalized_after/

@@stanisawdrewienkowski2843 he still left something out though. Oh the cliffhangers

@@stamatisvolanis8482 Yeah, sometimes i wish he didnt upload for twice the time, but placed everything in one-two vids. Cliffhangers are the worst.

To be fair, fus ro dah never did anything to dragons anyway except stagger them for a split second. So almost nothing.

And he can send it back....with interest.

​@@kevynhansyn2902 interest enough to send you flinig across town

Same! I simply love his content :) It was because of him that I got inspired to make a Half Dragon player race for my party: www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/fbwoxt/art_half_dragon_player_race_finalized_after/

@@nielsdejong i saw that a few days ago and loved it. Nice to find you underneath this video.

@@Emma-jg4bt Hey thanks! I'm glad you like it. I found it funny that the guy who inspired it just happen to post another dragon themed video this week. I love his dragon content!

I imagine like 8 fully equipped and maxed out lvl 20 heroes just for the fight. But i imagine that in an adventure against any one of those dragons the party would be consisted of about 20 maxed out and then maybe 8 would survive to fight and try to defeat them after he killed the other 12 in the way or with his wishes scrolls and traps and lair actions and legendary actions, resistances and what not

No. They’d have to step even beyond the level 20 level cap. Maybe to 30 or 40. And I’d guess high 30s alongside ludicrous racial abilities. You are not just fighting the CR 40 dragon, but also his CR 19 minions, and his/her’s numerous artifact level items. You’d need extra help on top of that probably. Such as a host of angels.

@@viniciusklaussnerfonsecaco1952 You would need to have multiple boons and artifacts to even attempt this. Like a Lich PC, A few maxed palis, and monks might come in handy

@@bayardjohnson7239 Or one max damage hit from one of the strongest combos.

iBoolno I Cast Magic Missle

he does it in several videos :P

Don't forget Dragon lords can resist Dragon born as Well as gods fire dragons are kinda boring molten ones are less boring

I know its wild that no one mentions them. Force top out at 59 but Prismatics reach CR 66, the single highest CR in the history of d&d. they are an absolute menace with insanely high save DC's, one of the strongest spells as a breath weapon, and wish. as a dragon they can 100% afford to cast wish.

most of us swear a lot :P and this guy does it pretty often. its one of the reasons i like him :)

@@omega311888 oh don’t you worry, sweetums, I swear too 😉

If he's not including the great wyrm prismatic dragon (CR 66) as the toughest mob, he's probably going to say it's Daurgothoth, especially considering the book he's using as his main source.

Ben Walker Theres also the 3.5 Great Wyrm Time Dragon with a whopping CR 90.

@@lawfulwood hey! Well done! :D you were correct!

And Time Dragons, they hit CR 90 at Great Wyrm. Aren’t Epic Dragons crazy!?

nielsdejong question, why do you keep linking that under almost every comment?

nielsdejong question, why do you keep linking that under almost every comment?

I give you a CR of 25!!

1/4th, same as the average commoner.

@@Krishnath.Dragon Way Harsh, Tai.

I think it depends whether the challenge is issued in-character or OOC. After all, the DM may be a metaphorical (and sometimes) literal deity of the campaign, but they're also just another person at the table.

This is why 3rd ed sucked. D&D is a game system. Not a fucking Game of Thrones novel with Mary Sues running around. You are suppose to be able to fight and kill anything

There’s also the Time Dragon, CR 90 at Great Wyrm, a beast beyond all others.

I can't find the Time Dragon except as homebrew. What is the source? Static Charm; you're clearly not very familiar with the earlier editions. A tarrasque, zaratan or any of the older dragons are unthinkable for any but the most dedicated group and that's just the basic monsterous manual. 1st had less power creep but there is still plenty that are unassailable for normal players (Cthulhu on page 43 of Deities and Demigods says hi). D&D is a game system but it is also a tool box designed to provide any adventures a group considers appropriate and is not limited by what one person thinks it should be.

just take a dragon and give them 20 levels in an appropriate class, a level 20 acient red dragon with 20 levels in bear barb would be terrifing

or a 20 level draconic sorcerer and 20 level wizard multiclass spellcasting god (this would be for larendragammar)

In what edition?

Their*

Stats for 5th I hope

same :(

I just checked the old magazine for the stats for Time Dragons and it’s CR 26 as a Wyrmling, but that doesn’t detract from the fact that it reaches CR 90 at Great Wyrm. Also, the Epic Level Handbook has rules for raising dragons beyond Great Wyrm. (and thus pushing CR to ever greater heights...) Dragons are the most powerful species in D&D, it’s part of why they’re in the name of the game.

While I'm here, MrRhexx, you are a legend.

@Douglas Bonbeck No what?

@Douglas Bonbeck Weird, there were no comments or views when I posted.

@Douglas Bonbeck It's all good, man. No offence taken. Happy to cede the crown.

Everyone hates Elminster. He is Ed Greenwood's poorly written avatar. Gandalf without any of the wit, charm, and likability