No strings: mentions Jethild The fanbases of both: 👀

Now that is interesting Also explains why Kane never calls them the Scrin, he calls them the visitors. Because he knows they are not the actual Scrin

I really hope one day the franchise revives wholesale. The hanging plot threads and left over questions here make my brain tingle. Especially for a game essentially about armies laying into each other over resources.

The idea I had was that Kane was exiled to Earth from another planet, and that Earth is "The Land of Nod". Which still doesn't preclude him originally being from Earth.

According to former C&C designer Adam Isgreen, however, Tiberian Dawn in fact follows on the conclusion of Red Alert's Allies campaign, while Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge take place in a second parallel universe, created by a new attempt to alter history in "Incursion", the working title of Westwood Studios' cancelled version of Command & Conquer 3. Isgreen also implied that Nikola Tesla may have been responsible for inadvertently having attracted the attention of the Scrin through his experiments, and thus for the arrival of Tiberium on Earth. An alternate way of connecting the two universes was through one of the drafts of the Renegade 2 storyline, but the two games were cancelled in 2003.

Finally someone got it, I noticed long ago that in the Scrin campaign that there is a hidden line of dialogue where the Supervisor said "Species must be Scrin" when talking about humans, implying that their whole invasion was about finding out more about their enemy, the actual Scrin.

Perhaps the Scrin were manufactured by the Ascended for the purpose of Tiberium exploitation, I mean they have no names only titles (Overlord, Advisor, Foreman etc) and they have no agency beyond the cultivation and harvesting of what they call Ichor but we know as the blood of gods.

I find it amazing that that there are still people who propagate and love the lore of a game that hasn’t had a release in almost a decade (let’s ignore everything cc4 and beyond plz). The fact that people still conjecture about the lore to this day should be reason enough for a team to be allowed to make a proper sequel to the franchise.

Another possibility is that they are both Scrin, and calling their enemy Scrin just means that they aren't united as a race. So there's mutated Scrin (the ones in C&C3) and the ascended Scrin.

If a Tib Sun remaster is coming, they better give out the tacitus as a USB flash drive

... Could it be that Kane was on the Scrin Homeworld, before they became Tib scrin? Could it be that he wanders from Planet to Planet trying to unlock the secret of Tiberium Mutation dooming entire Planets and civilizations in the process? It's a shame that C&C 4 was never made. Kane isn't getting younger... *sigh* I hate corporates.

Wait this is basically the Humans and the Nephilim or the Watchers and Angels combined with the Descendents of Cain and the Great Flood.

This would give Kane an nice, extra layer of character. Ultimately what he's doing is for selfish reasons I suspect, but after 4 millennia, seeing everything and everyone you've ever known crumble to dust, can you blame the man?

I like the idea that the scrin are to the galaxy what the forgotten are to earth, scrounging around like Eliksni

What is really interesting is Kane's view of God When McNeil confronts Kane saying he cant play God, Kane agrees but says that he's a close second and in TibDawn Seth says the line; "From God, to Kane to Seth" implying that while Kane sees himself as the Messiah, he doesnt consider himself a god and probably acknowledges the existence of one The most confusing clashing contradiction of lore elements is the nature of Divination/Ascension as depicted in the TibSun Nod ending where Kane achieves Ascension using the World Altering Missile and without the aid of a Threshold Tower and in 3 where he is somehow is unable to replicate the Missile for the Third game and needs a Scrin Tower to achieve Ascension, like with GDI's anti-missile defenses down couldnt he just do the World Altering Missile launch again?

Wonderful vid as always, Stefan! I've always treated Kane's origin as Cain from the bible, and I was pretty much very influenced by the last Renegade mission where there's his alleged brother Abel's tomb directly under the nuke silo. Given that Cain was exiled and cursed to wander the earth forever, I've assumed (without quoting C&C4) he found a way to "hack" God's curse. Maybe to him, if there are aliens, there's possible habitable planets out there, and if he can leave earth, he can't be curse to wander the earth if he's no longer on earth! I wish the devs would have leaned more into the direction of relating to historical mythos as opposed to him being from the future or an alien... That's so cliche and so many stories have done that

If the mutations of the Forgotten and the Scrin made them incompatible with Ascension due to their corruption by tiberium, what does that make of Kane's attempts to see the planet altered by it and the process of "Divination"? Was he simply using Tiberium as a means to an end, sacrificing humanity and Earth to achieve his this mythical ascension, or is the fusion of machine, flesh, and tiberium in a directed mutation (or "evolution") truly a step along the way for humanity to achieve this goal, and to save humanity from what he may have seen as an impending doom from his early contact with "the Ascended"?

If the data given on what was said about the Scrin and “Ascended” are to be taken at face value then is it possible that they’re actually the result of the “Nod Tib sun ending”. As in what Nod and Kane failed to do in Tib sun during the canon timeline, has actually happened before with the Scrin? I ask this since the translated message in GDI In Ops seems to point to this speculation which means that humanity may have prevented the same fate. As for Tiberium itself, I personally believe that Dr. Mobius may have been correct in saying that Tiberium is a new sentient life. Perhaps it came from its own planet and spread on its own. Given the psionic powers of the Forgotten, it maybe possible that Tiberium maybe passively controlling other species and individuals to facilitate its continued spread, especially on the Scrin. Frankly a topic going over the potential sentience of Tiberium is both interesting and frightening given what we’ve seen of the crystal so far.

A most intriguing perspective on the Ascended, the Tacitus and Kane. I enjoy these videos you and Jethild put out about the Tib saga. I can also appreciate the inspiration of the background music alluding to Tiberian Sun's soundtrack; Gloom.

So what happened to Scrin is basically what will happen to Earth if Nod wins the war like TibSun - would be a nice twist.

This man’s content is my favorite thing I’ve seen on KZfaq in a long time

One of my favorite KZfaq channels. Always an enthralling video, a well written script, perfect pacing, etc. And, it's about my favorite games. Keep it up!

How you don't have more subs surprises me. Your lore videos are in depth and captivating!

even if this one didn't have the fancy visuals, i still love your Lore videos! it's kinda eerie to draw parallels of the scrin to the ascended as the forgotten is to the humans.. it would open up so many possibilities..

I can't believe I never came across the Intel Entry mentioning The Ascended. then again, I always miss at least one. Great video, and I agree its best to propose ideas and ask questions than it is to say; "my Game Theory is the correct one!". You're theories on Kane are pretty good, and draw from more of the established lore than mine, but if we are putting theories out there, how about this one: What if Kane's end-goal is not to end his Immortality or seek Revenge? What if Kane encountered these Ascended, creatures so far beyond what we know describing one would be impossible. And Kane, faced with this Cosmic Horror, went insane. He saw mankind as a colony of ants, who's anthill was in the middle of a busy road. If mankind had any hope of surviving, it needed to evolve, to ascend, to become the equal to these beings before one of them, through accident or design, wiped out mankind. Morality, Ethics...none of that ever entered the equation. he *had* to enlighten mankind, to show them what needed to be done. This would be why he created the Brotherhood of Nod. This is why he considers Tiberium, and directed Tiberium mutation so important. This is only a theory of course, and like I said, yours pulled more from the lore of Command and Conquer. but there's something about this idea I find so appealing. Perhaps because I enjoy villains that truly believe themselves to be a hero, even if they seem obviously evil to us. I certainly think it fits with the character we've seen in the games thus far. relentlessly driven, but not completely emotionless. And Kane has never been seen ordering the use of his WMDs on (purely) civilian targets, despite having them in all 3 Tiberium Wars.

I really appreciate these videos. I don't have anything to add past that.

Another great theory-ridden vid. God I love these. Bloody well done Stefan ;)

Another Tib Universe document... you just made my day again, brother. 🥳

Another awesome video. Definitely a plausible idea, and one i never considered. The Scrin and Ascended being the same race, but divergent due to Tiberium makes a lot of sense. I also seem to remember plans for a Scrin rebel faction for Westeood's C&C3. Of course none of those original ideas are Canon, but perhaps some idea survived into the Ascended?

"Message from the Scrin we are coming" This quote comes from TW's third faction propaganda picture. We used to think that this meant that the invading aliens were Scrin, But in conjunction with TW's story, it might mean that the invading aliens think of us as Scrin.

Damn, I'm a Catholic, but I never knew about the "Marked of Kane" in the Bible, which actually makes sense since Tiberium also has its way to turn lands into barren wastelands. Great work!

The Tiberium universe has the perfect mix of known stated facts and loose unanswered questions and story threads for fans to theorise over in my opinion, with an Tiberium itself serving as a fascinating plot device. Is it alive? Is it a terraforming agent? It certainly poses a threat to life on Earth as we know it which in my opinion leads to a great deal of existential horror, humanity slowly losing its place on the only world we have (some real life implications there too). The Scrin being such an enigma only adds to this and these ideas you present in this video brings some seriously fascinating and disturbing implications. I really can't overstate how much I love this universe.

Loved the episode as always! Looking forward to the next one. Stay safe mate.

Ichor Hub exists Me, with Ion Canon .... please

Even with very little to go on, you are still able to make an amzing top notch video, awesome work as usual mate!

Nice video, love the explanations of the lore and the interpretations. Also you got one of the best voices for this kind of stuff together with Stuart Brown(AHOY). Clear, soothing and with enough tonation to keep it interesting. Don't ever stop :P

A surprise to have a new video so soon, but a welcome one, awesome

if we have another Tiberium game(hope the remake gave EA the confidence), a plotline of the Forgotten slowly becoming more like the Scrin, and the humanity and forgotten can no longer live side by side due to tiberium would be really cool.

I really like these lorebits, cheers mate.

If you're correct, what we call Scrin might actually be more like a combination of Nod and the Forgotten. The reason I say this is because of the religious implications of Scrin lore, especially Reaper 17. If so, then would the Ascended be the alien equivalence of GDI? If so, then what would GDI look like in thousands of years? The digitization of minds has often been called ascension in other fictions. That's one option anyway.

I am completely fascinated with this. Damn you're brilliant.

Huh, I was just thinking about if you'd made a Scrin vid and couldn't remember it. Crazy!

I already get so enticed listening to your Lore breakdowns of the Tiberium universe, but it can't be understated that your accent REALLY helps.

13 minutes 37 seconds long.... nice

Can’t wait for the scin

Good Video yet again Stefan !

Desperate for the series to come back. I love the law behind this game and will forever be waiting for it. Goddamn corporate ruin everything.

I’ve watched this multiple times because it’s so much fun.

As well as praising you for another great one of these, also wanted to give a compliment - you should totally consider voiceover work

well done! Can't wait for the next video

So cool

Yay another video.

God job! Thank you mister.

Oh oh, quality stuff incoming. Love it!

You asking questions was indeed quite a lot of fun.

Ascended theory: a bunch of Scrin claims Pineapple on Pizza is a good thing and thus dub themselves ascended Other Scrin were not happy with such a motive...

The more the info and speculation is layed out, the more I think the Tiberium universe is just a divergence from the Stargate universe.

great video,its such an interesting topic.

Great video! Just to flip the script a bit, but what if the Scrin view themselves as the ascended, rather than their brother race? It seems there's a bit of speculation rather than 100% confirmation on who really 'ascended' here. If the Scrin are the ascended ones, what does that imply about Kane's plans for Ascension? And what does that imply about the fate of the brother race? I really do hope we get a new game to give the series a proper ending and answers to all these questions, but I guess one can only dream lol

Spinning logo while discussing about the topic reminds me on Human song meme.

Personal head canon: The Skrin are the species that XCOM's Elders interstellar empire is struggling against.

Interesting fan theory so this would draw even more comparisons between spice melange which inspired tiberium and tiberium itself. Also the scrin could still be the scrin if their parent race was the scrin xD

Amazing ! 👏♥️

Yesterday - Railguns from @Jethild, today this... What an amusing weekend!

This guy like Jethilde is an Awesome Dude .

tiberium incursion is that you

Where is the GDI video man? I want that juicy lore!

Quess i'll have to replay the whole scrin campaign :p

Ultimately Kane viewed the Forgotten as an Evolutionary Dead End. The Forgotten Mutations were too Random, they may adapt sufficiently to survive Tiberium, but not to Thrive. Kane seemed to be working towards a form of Human that could Exploit the Benefits of Tiberium without becoming Stagnant from it. The Forgotten were likely seen to be as dependent upon Tiberium as the Scrin had become.

Lovely.

"rising for become creatures of consciouness alone." ALRIGHT TIME TO COOL DOWN RASSILON WE ARE NOT DOING THIS SHIT AGAIN!

"Kane is anomalous" *The SCP foundation would like to know the anomaly location*

Considering that Tiberium makes the land barren, it seems to me the direction they were wanting to go was that it was the curse upon Kane.

That is what would it most likely be if Westwood contued the CNC franchise but in CNC3 Kane say's something like "So I can finally escape this God forsaken rock and the species that calls themselves man kind" ik that this isn't exactly what he says but I know he said it in a way like he wasn't human more like he is an alien of some sort.

Oh boy, this gonna be amazing!!

10,000% awesome! It’s to bad that we will never get to know more about that part of the universe. I also hope to god we don’t see another game though... it’s been too long and after the game we don’t mention because it never happened it would get inevitably corrupted

Fantastic 👍👍🌸That's so wonderful.😄😍🤩so wonderful.😄

Will we get fully noticed by the sleeping giant 'westwood'? We held the creativity of it's revival! Kane still live among us, goofier than ever. I had tons of idea to share. GDI needs a powerful and iconic representative, Kane needs more reckless agenda and aggresive arsenal, Scrin needs a lore for it's origin and tiberium needs to reveal it's creator! I maybe a temporary poor dude with no aquipment, I wouldn't denied my passion for C&C. I'll see it happens no matter how long it'll take.

Interesting theory. One thing I found interesting about the Scrin campaign was the Overlord’s interest in Kane. It seemed rather personal. Even to the point of risking the harvest operation and the lives of the commanders assigned to it. So, the interesting bit is that if the biblical references are to be believed with this context Kane’s story is as follows: Kane was a farmer, likely a member of the ascended, and probably farmed tiberium. He then murders his brother in a fit of jealousy to claim his more fruitful resources. This angered Overlord, who marked him and sent him to Earth to live amongst the humans who were primitive compared to the splendor he had. This makes his actions make more sense. Spread tiberium, mutate the populace , and build an army to be able to overthrow the other ascended for revenge, and use the Tower to go right to the ascended to kill them. Overlord freaks out seeing Kane again, thinking he was killed by Earths savage wildlife, and risks the operation to be sure. Kane saves a tower and guaranteed his way off the planet. Ascension is killing the ascended and taking their place.

Damn I love this universe

The ''Brother,Ascended,Enemy,Scrin'' line always made me think of the Brotherhood of Nod whose goal was seemingly something they call ''Ascension'' , became enemy to the rest of Humanity and would eventually leave the Earth and possibly become something similar to the Scrins.

Aww yiss

I think the wording brother and enemy, rather than brothers and enemies implies a singular entity. Perhaps a specific person from the BROTHERhood?

sweet... can't wait

10:56 well, with Kane being there during the WW2 alongside Stalin, it's not too farfetched to think that he's some sort of super, but twisted, man. I wish we could have the writers for the CNC saga come back to write something like that website that explains the whole Metal Gear storyline. Also it's lovely how they chose "Kane" as is sounds exactly like "Cain".

I think a good way to look at the terminology used in-universe is like this: if we were accompanying the story from the perspective of some hypothetical aliens -- let's call them gammas -- and the gammas came into contact with humanity, specifically, let's say... the Brotherhood of Nod, the gammas would call them "the Humans", because that is _all_ the gammas would know of humanity, that is their only point of contact. Little would the gammas know that GDI exists, that the Forgotten exist, and that several non-aligned, non militarized groups of survivors exist on Earth, who have no love for Nod nor no allegiance to them, humanity is not monolithic, the impression that the gammas would have of humanity would be terribly misguided. So for us, calling a faction of the scrin just... "The Scrin", as if they were monolithic, demonstrates our simple bias of thinking of entire alien species as a single whole, when the reality of things is that there's no guarantee they would be unified like that, we basically just watch too much science fiction, and write too much simple minded science fiction where aliens are all united as a people.

For me I think that Kane needed an army for some war in heaven and that army is the brotherhood of nod all branch included and the icor hub is not his final destination but he need the nod to take what ever is behind the portal of the scrin tower . There is Soo much potential to the plot it can go far enough to breed 10 more games

So if we were to follow the speculation regarding Kane wanted a revenge against the Ascended, it IMPLIES that the Ascended is actually "God" in which Christianity believed in, since God gave Cain his ironic eternal punishment, that means the elimination of The Ascended, and replacing the Ascended with Kane and his most loyal followers. Sort of makes sense, but that leaves a hole in which it contradicts what we believe as Ascension to become one with higher beings and not to eliminate them. I guess Kane wanted a seat of power alongside with the Ascended of Tiberium(?). I will still go by with the terms "God" of Christianity (it just makes sense for the lore), and that leaves the Ascended are beings under the Three Supreme Ascended (The Holy Trinity, and one of them, Jesus "The Son" have descended upon earth to share the goodwill of the Ascended towards mankind, as if mankind are the one closely resembles the Ascended or maybe the more beloved kind amongst others) or rather there are just three Supreme Beings/Ascended (theoretically). That leaves the Ascended must have the same roles as the Old Ones (or whatever it is called) from Warhammer, and Kane wanted to play a part in Godhood within the Ascended. Or maybe, since it's the only way for him to end his immortality, he chose to Ascend as if the Ascended will have to eliminate him for good as it would create an imbalance of the Universe which the Ascended had created. Idk if there's any holes in my speculation and this is getting religiously controversial (sorta), it is up for interpretation, thanks for reading 🙏.

Nice

So Tiberium is basically like the Markers from Dead Space. They both arrive in meteors and influence the life on the planet, but also cause the dominant lifeform to create a Zealous religion that is not limited to self mutilation or human sacrifices. Both can also be used for raw material, but are the key for end of days in the end. Also, in Dead Space there existed an Alien race that have dubbed the Tau Volantians. We don’t much about other than that they were likely a type of aquatic creatures who found the Markers just like humanity and began to replicate them, and just like any Markers eventually they began to transform into Necromorphs, but at the last minute these aliens were able to activate a machine that would freeze the planet and the brother moon, but the Markers would give up and ask anyone to turn off the machine. They even further manipulated people into thinking it would be like a self destruct for the markers if it was turned off. Interesting food for thought.

In an alternate timeline, Fire Ants won the war and got mutated by Tiberium. They became the Scrins.

Something I always pondered about this idea of using the Scrin tower to supposedly go somewhere. Let's say the idea is Kane wants to go to the name-dropped Ichor Hub. Ok, so this is a place no human has any business being in because odds are the very act of entering it, considering if we assume it a planet of some sort, likely makes it devoid of anything a human would need to sustain themselves. For one, it's probably full of Tiberium to such a massive quantity, entering it would utterly devastate any human. But...if we assume Kane's motive is to end his millennia long life, then perhaps that's the point? Him bringing any followers along for the ride sure seems like a lot of dead Noddies, to be fair. I can't imagine the local Scrin forces being too amused by such an intrusion into one of their empire's very vital Ichor related facilities either. One big issue arises here, though. If we assume Kane is a human cursed with immortality looking to die, and all it would take to break that immortality is for him to in essence jump into a massive Tiberium field, he surely would have just gone for a walk in a Red Zone, or locked himself in a chamber with cultivated Tiberium in it soon after it arrived rather than go through all this extra effort. I will point something out relating to this in a bit. So Kane needing the Scrin tower and the Ichor hub to exterminatus himself seems unlikely. Especially, because if he arrives and does not die, he basically is now hanging out with those Scrin I mentioned on a one way trip to have a chat with their Overlord about something, or another. The moment Kane steps though that Threshold, assuming it doesn't kill him, he would be entering most likely a place where he has nobody as backup, and is alone, because anyone who does come along for the ride will not be surviving on the other end. Kane though? Welllll... Now to point that something out. Remember in Tib Sun when Kane has Umagon prisoner and shows her the world altering missile? Sure seems like Kane isn't too fussed about hanging around the funny green liquid she is being injected with. Green liquid stored in quite vulnerable looking bags, mind you. Green as in Tiberium is in that liquid. One of them breaking would probably be lethal for any human in the room...but hey, considering how long Kane himself spends hanging around areas with very heavy Tiberium infestation and seemingly doesn't display any symptoms of Tiberium doing anything to him, then perhaps Kane's immortality also means Tiberium cannot kill him? Thus, reasons, it cannot mutate him either. So...if we go with the idea to become Ascended you need to not be biologically dependent on Tiberium (Scrin and The Ascended), yet you need Tiberium to do this to fuel the needed technology, meaning almost certain exposure, it's worth examining Kane is now in a very very unique position due to his potential immunity. As he would be, per assumption, qualified per this requirement to Ascend, if he only figures out how to do so. Seems to go hand in hand with his megalomania too, plus giving a potential explanation to where it could stem from. After all, if you were a unique anomalously immortal being capable of literally rising to a higher state of being than most if only you put the puzzle pieces (that you have knowledge, or some knowledge of being a thing) together in the correct combination, don't tell me it wouldn't go to your head.

Hehe Kane

suddenly, Tiberium universe has a depth of Mass Effect saga.... only if someone would give developers enough support...

I choose to believe that all the non-canon endings in all the C&C games happen in alternate timelines. If the Soviets win the original Red Alert, Cain gains access to Chronosphere tech and repeatedly travels into the past, using his knowledge of the future and advanced tech to entrench the Brotherhood across history. The Scrin are the result of Cain's World Altering Missile. That world uses Chronosphere tech to seed and harvest entire universes in other timelines. Divination/Ascension is just a way of saying "self-sustaining time loop".

Ah my favorite commander what do have for me

_"Brother. Ascended. Enemy. Scrin."_ Unless the order GDI incripted from this is out of whack, it also seems to suggest that *maybe,* the Aliens we call the Scrin are actually these Ascended, who "ascended" through their mutation by Tiberium, similar to what Nod supposedly is trying to do and the Forgotten ironically are closer to resembling. Thus, the ACTUAL Scrin may have been the non-mutated members of the species that ended up waging war against them. Thus, the possible phrase: *_"Brother Ascended, enemy Scrin."_* Given the apperant religious aspect of Scrin society, like the Traveler *Sect* and the *Cult* of Reaper, the terms "brother" and "Ascended" would make sense. The mutated aliens developed a religion around this "Ichor" (blood of the gods) and saw their own mutations as "evolutions", "ascensions". Meanwhile, those not mutated by Tiberium were seen as heretic, as the enemy. Who knows? Maybe "Scrin" is not the name of their species, but a sland used by the mutated aliens to describe their non-mutated brethren. Well, this is just my take on this at least.

I do believe that, based on what I've been told and evidence I've seen, that No Strings is correct here - EALA had plans, with Tiberium, to expand on Kane's backstory. My theory goes something like this: - Kane was from the future. - Something happens in the future, possibly in an alternate timeline - perhaps an energy crisis - leading to the creation of Tiberium. - Kane is tied to the events around that situation and is exiled into the past, starting the loop of the Tiberium universe. - Kane forms Nod and Tiberium is seeded by the Scrin on Earth. - TW1, 2 and 3 happen. - The Forgotten mutate over time and some Nod subjects become mutated. - Kane is thought to be finally defeated. - The Earth is left in a bad state after the second Scrin invasion is destroyed, forcing Humanity, eventually, in the far future, to create a system to channel Tiberium off-world or control it in some way. - More humans mutate, and an addiction to Tiberium becomes common, changing the biology of those who become addicted. - A human grows and ages. People find he reminds them of Kane. He adopts the name. - As more and more humans become mutated, Humanity becomes the minority and mutants the majority, leading to a conflict. - As the Earth becomes hostile to Humans both physically and socially, Humans develop a way to "ascend", either by becoming AI and leaving the confines of their human bodies, or by trying to travel through time. They send the Tacitus as well. - Kane rebels against the mutated human race - events unfold that lead to his judgment. He is then exiled through the "Ichor Hub" into the past. He is now stuck in this loop over and over again, unable to leave or die. Should he die, another Kane is born in the future and the same events unfold again. - Kane seeks to alter the future. "He who commands the future, conquers the past...", yadda yadda. He seeks ascension through the Scrin threshold tower because it travels both through time *and* space, which would allow him to alter his future and thus, his fate. - "Brother" (carefully chosen here to imply a link to Nod) refers to Humans in the future. "Ascended" is what they become. They are the Scrin. The Forgotten are just as much "Scrin" as the ones we call the Scrin. - This is why the Scrin know of Kane, but don't have more info, like his genetic derivation (their paths cross in the future, and the "Ichor Hub" database they check probably crosses time and space - perhaps it doesn't, but they were sent into the past with an incomplete or redacted database ("just the essentials")). Due to timeline shenanigans, it is very probable that the Scrin forces in C&C3 are from a time that does not know of Kane properly (perhaps he is an old legend to them, forgotten in their far, distant future where they came from - or perhaps those Scrin come from before Kane is known). It's also possible this Kane is slightly different, as he is from a different timeline than them, or that he has undergone some mutation (be it deliberate or not). - The Scrin are essentially Humans. Nod mutants and the Forgotten become, over many eons, the Scrin we fight in C&C3, and the "original Scrin" are the ones who sent the Tacitus and are future humans (basically "us"). There are many things that hint at this - especially in Tiberium, the cancelled FPS. There was an art of a character that looked like Kane, but was referred to as not being Kane, by the artist who drew said piece. There is a theme from the game called "From the Future". There is also concept art showing the Scrin supervisor's "face" from Tiberium Wars, but it's revealed that beneath the "face", which is either a sort of helmet or digital distortion effect, is the face of a human. Of course, there are many more hints. IIRC, the "Tiberium Bible", which I believe drew inspiration from the TS Story Bible, dated an artifact to being older than was scientifically possible, which is a classic fiction trope that is meant to evoke that this "something" was actually sent back from the future. I might be misremembering this last part, though. Again, this is from stuff I read about and heard 10+ years ago. Some of the information might be jumbled in my head. But that's the jist of it.

Man I would love to see a proper cnc 4 or that canceled fps

I think Kane was one of the Pre-Tiberium Scrin, the son of the first 2 Scrins who went to Earth for unknown motives (maybe colonization?), but because Kane killed his brother, the Pre-Tiberium Scrins cursed and banished him to "Noqdi", which the "i" was used to mean "The Land of" and after taking "q" away, leaves us with "The Land of Nod". A few centuries pass and Kane heard about "Ascension" through unknown ways, and wanted to end his suffering by achieving his goal of "Ascension". Or just, you know, Kane and the Scrin are future humans like Westwood originally wanted before EALA came in. TL;DR: Ascended came to Earth and placed two people, Kane gets cursed and banished to Noqdi, learns about Ascension and wants to replicate it to end his suffering.