Max laying down the ground rules about discussion at the start, but also being the biggest deviator and rabbit hole explorer is hilarious :D

This is a super cool concept with the checking if someone has the dungeon higher on the list and if not discussing it. More of this please!

Holy crap man, I was listening to this before bed, and as I was falling asleep the video was kind of ending... but then the dratnos winning sound came in, and ill be awake for another 19 years.

They would kill me with hammers Dratnos is such a beast with these takes

Dratnos with the greatest quote lol. "they would kill me with hammers"

What I think is funny is that the "open pathing" concept is either the greatest thing ever if you have a group you constantly run with but it is the worst thing ever in pugs. That is a take completely biased by group consistency.

I cracked up laughing for a solid few minutes in my car after “they would kill me with hammers”

"They would kill me with hammers" is my new favourite Dratnos line 1:17:05

@17:45 They *did* bring back Eye of Azshara M+ back in SL Before Season 4 which was the first "official" season with prior-expansion dungeons, Legion Timewalking had its own set of M+ dungeons with a special Infernal affix. Eye of Azshara was one of them, along with BRH/Court/DHT/Nelth's Lair/Vault

51:58 I love Dratnos's response to Dorki. This is pure gold xD.

Every time I see these list I am reminded just how vast the difference is between people who pug and people who play premades. Because I have nothing but horrendous experiences with Underrot. Genuinely think across BFA and DF that it's the most bricked keys I've ever been in, even more so than Murozonds Rise.

Dorki's explanation of Atal Dazar last boss, hit too close to home. I cant count how many pugs would not listen to me telling them to stack just off boss

great content! please do another one with the worst m+, best raids, best bosses, etc etc!

Underrot with a PUG was totally different experience. Be it the trash pulls, or "body pulls" that should've been skipped, or the boss mechanics. A LOT of all these relied on Tanks to begin with but then also team work. The positioning on bosses were extremely important and also where to stack and where to face. It was always either one of the best and most fun runs, or the miserable with PUGs usually disbanding on Cragmaw. Here's a quick "small list" of group wide mechanics that could go either way. 1) Tank positioning Cragmaw and entire group needs to clear ticks + groups positioning as well 2) Tank positioning Sprecaller and once again rest of the group needs to clear mushrooms 3) EVERYONE had their own brilliant idea of how last boss worked where people deciding not to stack with tank, or tank not doing it right to begin with and then someone thinking it's BEST to stay near the wall without realizing the breath could (and DID) splash back off the wall.

Agree on Maw of Shouls, it was one of my fav ever. Loved running it over and over.

Dorki so funny calling the Echo HOV snapping "basic"

the best dungeons aren't painful to pug civilian keys for. freehold was excellent for that so it was very good. underrot was horrific for that so it was very bad.

My favorite memories about Shrine of the storm is joining pugs on bolstering weeks just for pure entertainment and seeing which mobs will be made into 40 man raid bosses before people start noping out and disband.

Great listen, really enjoyed this from start to finish

I just wanted to bring something up. Vanilla Ice Cream is not bland, Vanilla is a flavour that I specifically seek out as an ice cream as when it's made with actual Vanilla pods, it's amazing.

The Gingi slap is for me still a clip that brightens my day :D

gooning to this

After thinking about it, I actually think the recipe for good m+ dungeons is pretty simple now. 1. Wide open, not cramped spaces 2. Short to medium in length 3. Big trash pulls 4. Interesting bosses

Imagone not knowing EoA was a M+ dungeon brought back in Legion Timewalking

Dratnos with some major memorable quotes here! Love it!

Growls take on Halls of Valor at 49:58 was SO needed. That dungeon sucks.

I see, Kings' Rest won HANDEDLY right from the start! 👌👌

Great video, v well edited fronk keep it up dude

i loved the tree boss as a bdk, i was doing 26 keys with out clearing him my team can just chill while im stressing but its the most fun because i actually had to think about my cooldowns and one fuck up i was dead but it was so fun, got the heart pumpin

Dorky is becoming more and more that "I don't like it because you like it character" xD

A top 5/10 wishlist dungeons to get or return in m+ would also be cool

omg no the Other Side? It's such a complete dungeon

Prime content. From a pug, no coms tank/healer: can't say I agree on all of it, but a lot of good info and viewpoints here.

Thanks for this boys - great listen

Last season of m+ was goated imo. Gonna be hard to top that season in terms of the dungeon pool

Great video idea goodjob

13:50 if i could change m+ in any way i wanted, it wouldn’t be affixes or routing. It would be to just drop healthpools and make every dungeon sub 20:00’ or 25:00’ minutes. Short dungeons feel so much more rewarding and satisfying when you just CRUSH THEM

I DIED LAUGHING Waycrest Manure!

Theater of Pain has a special place in my heart ♥

Absolutely wild 5 of the dungeons on this list come from BFA. I enjoying doing M+ the most in this expansion, the only issue for me was having to roll for corruption. Once you could buy it, it got even better. (I only played for the last 6-8 months of the expansion after a lot of QOL was added).

I did pugs in atal dazar and going right sucked ass. Left was still easier than right in a bug, yet everyone still went right

Max making WoW lists is the content I live for. I just love lists.

I think a big part of the issue of the Tree boss in Waycrest, considering the "meta" for the season was that you often just had to pray the roots would go on the augvoker, because the augvoker couldn't help nuke the roots fast enough to save people. xD I also think you almost need to bring in an "average pug champion" player for reference. Someone that perennially plays a non-meta dps spec and just about manages to hit KSM by the end of the season. It's only in DF that I've really stepped up and started pushing keys harder rather than just doing raids, and while I fully appreciated at the time how some of the pre-DF dungeons would play very differently in a properly coordinated group, pugging mid teen level keys trying to push to 15's to get KSM... man that is some of the worst PUG experiences you can get, and it totally skews perceptions of certain dungeons for sure! Like the bosses in Gambit being a good example: the dragon boss, you guys said something along the lines of how having a good or bad tank made a big difference, but in the 13-15 range it was more "did the tank even know they had to do mechanics", and don't even get me started on those 13-15 level final boss pug players not knowing how to do the lines through the orbs... xD

Atal Dzar always has a special place in my heart. In BFA I was a mythic raider mostly and pugged for keys. Being a high DPS on server I feel like i carried so many pugs through AD and Yaz and it was rewarding. I haven't heard this much but Yaz in a high key in BFA with a SP in group was unreal. Spiders growing and walking crossways though streams of shadow apparitions all over the room forever on Tyrannical is some wild shit. BFA Underrot isn't the sexy pick but the true #1.

BIS trink in shrine for Sin…that dungeon grew on me and I loved it.

Dorki saying "fish stick" and dratnos chuckling like a damn teenager is big vibes

Fronk appreciation comment

7:31 At this moment, Growl and Dratnos became my favorites for the episode lol Also Fronk is god tier

The seed clip is legendary

Banger vid as always.

I can't believe the global combat on the sanguine depths gauntlet wasn't mentioned.

Atal’dazar as a pug only player would possibly be in my least favorite dungeon list. Entire dungeon was braindead and then pugs can’t do the last boss for shit 75% of the time. Such a fucking waste of time.

Putting Azure Vaults in the discussion is crazy to me.

Absolute banger of a video.

The averagea timer for DF dungeons is currently 35.6 mins? Might be tough to beat with 30 average in TWW

"Here comes the forest"🤣 48:40

ML will always have a special place in my heart of all the wow dungeons, it was my first timed +20

Really great content and I don't do M+ any more.

Nobody had Iron Docks sheesh I loved that dungeon, I also thought very highly of Sanguine Depths. Pretty sure I had the most fun doing M+ overall in Shadowlands, I liked every dungeon a lot other than Plaguefall.

Would be cool to see a list that's not all about the great push or mdi or high level keys and just about enjoyment or lore

Growl fuckin BASEDDDDDDDD. Sanguine Depths OWNS

The comparison to hirumareds list is missing sadly, that would have spiced this up by a ton

Great video! #TeamSargeras #TeamDetheroc Azure Vaults, SoS and Eye was/is too big/too long. I loved Waycrest Manor, lol!

Interesting that Halls of Atonement was only on two lists and so low. I feel like it we definitely see it in future seasons because it was so ironically Shadowlands and pug friendly

maw of souls 1st blackrook hold 2nd freehrld 3rd for me! So fun.

Growl making me wish I could go back and play sanguine depths with a new mindset

Growl is based af. I have such fond memories healing SD that was an amazing dungeon.

good edit.

I agree with them that Underrot coming back took some poinst off for me but only because I have the worlds worst RNG and I was stuck in Underrot prison for a good 3 weeks where I only ran Underrot keys trying to get the damn fist weapon to drop for my DH

Ragefire Casm. No joke it’s probably my favorite dungeon in totality.

Speaking about top 10 m+ dungeons, hope blizzard brings back awakened affix again some time its 100% the best and most fun affix they ever did.

Hot Shrine of the storm take: I loved that dungeon because on the last boss as a healer my damage actually mattered. (big fat debuff boost) Edit: Ah dratnos hit upon this point, i commented too fast :D

I feel like they nailed it with Gambit and Sanguine being the best 2 (motherlode uhhh yeah i disagree there) Both incredible, gambit is my 1 but sanguine depths is definitely top 3 for me, that place was fucking sick. Most interesting bosses, the theme was sick, and the gauntlet felt really good honestly.

Aren't the chains in nelth a damage amp now? They used to do damage like TD cannons.

Where’d you get that wallpaper? So sick

Algethar and Freehold definitely had the most fun pulls, coming from a player who doesnt go past 20

Maw of Souls, let's go!

Eye of azshara will always be tainted because thats also when they gave hunters barrage, and thats the first dungeon where every one of them got to learn how to use it properly. but great dungeon

Galakrond, and shrine of the storm is two of my "worst of all time" dungeons. Just goes to show how people like different things :D

How is Fall in your top 10, 3 months ago y'all put it barely in C tier, it has so many issues

The stupid kid bit was so fucking funny

Surprised Mechagon dungeons didn't get mentioned. I guess having Junkyard bots carrying the dungeon wasn't great.

There is this one dungeon where u kill a professor who drinks like vials and after that you go through a part where you need to kill invisible spiders(?) fast enough while the boss tries unlocking a door? i know im a bit all over the place i just cant think of the name of the dungeon

I love that dorki thinks non MDI players just get confused when the dungeon isnt linear and run around like headless chickens into a wall in the starting room ahaa. Guy needs to pug a little hes got it too easy

best dungeon was seat of the triumvirate in legion m+ invitational was just hilarious with the amount of wipes

Fall was a good dungeon because you had the ability to pull bigger or smaller depending on how high the key was. It was super fun being able to pull 4 dragons or the entire first area on a weekly without being a complete joke on higher keys. Being able to just blast a huge pull without that much coordination is fun

any ideas what stonefacetv addons where, love the textures and the font of spells, even details barrs look clean O.o (lower kara discussion part)

cant wait for your next 4h video about your top 3 npcs in the game.

Algethar Academy is hands down the best dungeon Blizz have ever created. Mass AoE, no egregious mobs, great designs bosses (tree boss one of the best ever). 5% star buff at the start. What’s not to love? 😎

100% agree with Growl's number 1

i get 2-3 hours, 5 nights a week to play. if they went down 5 minutes on their dungeon times, id be tickled. thats one more dungeon i get to clear every day

Just here to shout out to Max that I have Shrine of the Storm in my top 5

that wallpaper is insane, where do i find it

i feel like i'm smoking balls for loving junkyard so much. i loved the last season of BFA, and maybe it's the robots that people hated, but i think junkyard was so good

Halls of Atonement on top, hopefully we have it back in TWW.

What is that wallpaper at start?

I agree with a lot of these, but I think my list would be very heavily SL s4 biased. That entire season was just an absolute banger. The only dungeon I actually hated was upper kara. Workshop could get a bit rough, but the rest were fantastic. The biggest disagreement I have with any of these lists is sanguine depths. The second boss just farms pugs, so I never got my portal for that dungeon.

I was hoping you’d all then watch the Hiru video and give your takes on his video and comments too.

Dratnos is such a troll lmao omg

Growl's top ten is the best simply because SD is #1. Also, I am totally disgusted that NOBODY mentioned Plaguefall. I know it gets a lotta flack for the MDI BS that happened, but holy shit that dungeon is amazing.