I love the fact that the only reason the NHL is just 100 years old is because every other owner hated one guy enough to make their own league

Hockey Guy please cover the New York Americans saga. You think the Livingstone saga has alot of backroom shenanigans then you will love this team.

That was quite the whirlwind lmao. I've been watching hockey for almost ten years and I've never heard this story, but I'm so glad I finally have

Gary bettman is taking notes.

Maybe the other 30 owners will create a new league against Eugene Melnyk and call it the NHNML (National Hockey Not Melnyk Leauge)

This guy should have a biographical movie made about his life or something.

Well researched. Nice job

This is so petty and childish, but dammit was I chuckling this whole video!

love hockey history. these history videos turned me into a subscriber. Thanks for great content. Totally stoked to skate tomorrow morning.

I can see the headline now: "The Toronto Screw-Livingstones have won the Stanley Cup."

New yearly award: Eddie Livingstone Trophy awarded to most despised team owner.

You've done so many videos that I don't know if you've done this... But I would love to see a Carrer recap/History of all the people the player trophies/awards are named after.

This was a great story. I known I would love this stuff. Also on a unrelated note, congratulations Florida Panthers on 25 years of hockey.

More of these pls

When you pause after saying that the team name was the Toranto Ontarios, I said out loud, "That's creative," and when you said the same thing a second later, I couldn't stop laughing.

I love the Toronto Toronto's,no messing around here and straight to the point,Eddie Livingstone and the Toronto Toronto's rule! Bob.

but like... WHY did everyone hate him? how did that start?

This was one of the greatest hockey stories ever

2:37: According to Wikipedia, the reason Toronto had to forfeit the game was because it could not field a full team as two brothers on the team were away at their ill father's bedside. The forfeited game could have been replayed after the season ended, but Montreal reneged on the offer to replay the game because as things stood at season end, Montreal would have been tied for the league championship with Ottawa. If they played and lost, Ottawa would have won the title outright. Instead, the teams would move to a two game total goals wins playoff.

The tale of a bunch of petty rich men XD All of this is incredibly laughable and entertaining. I enjoyed this a ton.

Ha Ha Ha , I'm liking Livingstone.

Wow. Funniest hockey guy video I've seen, and really funny story about Eddie. Awesome.

Used to be the Winnipeg Winnpegs in early days of Canadian football ... was a wide spread problem apparently

what a great video shannon, thanks for making this!

Very entertaining and informative video! Thanks Shannon!

Great video man!

This was such a great video!! I love hearing all the crazy hockey stories throughout history. So interesting!

This was a really, really good video!

What a wonderfully put together history that I had no idea about!!

Interesting story to tell. Thanks Shannon!

Interesting video! In view of the upcoming draft and the probable no 1 overall pick, how about a video about the careers of defensemen who were no 1 overall picks?

This is a funny story, thanks for sharing!

Thank you for the history. good research

This is an excellent video thanks :)

I've been fan of the NHL since I was a small kid, and I love and know the league's history if the past 3-4 decades pretty well, - but I never bothered to find out more about the early years, cause I thought there was nothing really interesting. I could look into 3-4 teams standings on wiki and think to myself - oh, well, ok, bunch of semi-pros playing games after their main jobs.... But wow, you've proved me so wrong! Thank you for sharing this story, full of drama and twists. I would day, - you could easily write a script of NHL history movie, and it would be a hit!

Hahahaha this video is my favorite video on this channel now. Hilarious. Came from the latest history of changes video.

Thanks for all the insights and awesome infos I don´t get over here... sincerely a german hockey fan

This livingstone fella reminds me of Gary Bettman.

This was great!

Go toronto ontario's goGo toronto ontario's go

Haha this is a great video! Love it!

Totally reminds me of Jim Baillsillie

This story had me hooked from the moment you started speaking. I'd actually like to see a movie based on this. Think it could actually be really entertaining.

be great to hear more on Eddie Shore. Fab story of how he drove from Boston to Montreal overnight to get to the arena 1 hr before the game.

The $20,400.50 CAD he got in 1926 would be $295,585.51 today. The $7000 CAD he got in 1917 would be $112,421.69 today. So he got $408,007.20 from the other owners. Quite a bit of money. Also the suing players for $200 a piece you mentioned in the 1917-18 video would be $3,212.05 today.

Can you make a video with some type of a flow chart of "How the NHL came to be?" (*ex. NHA --> NHL / WHA to WHL Joining the NHL etc...)

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I love how there is always one troll on all your videos that down votes no matter what the content. Free time must run wild in their life to be so committed to expressing distaste. ANYWAYS, I love all your videos (especially the historic ones). You’re the best hockey analyst on the internet, hands down.

I couldn't stop smiling through this whole video, what an interesting figure!

you should do a video on how much they used their sticks as weapons back then and how much they fought each other. I read a few articles a while back and i guess it was almost gladiator type shit but with hockey sticks and skate blades.

Eddie won a cup as an owner and didn’t win the cup as an owner at the same damn time!

Just wanted to drop a suggestion. Was listening to the 31 thoughts podcast and they mentioned teams with super strong draft biases. I wonder if you could go over that. They mentioned some teams will 100% not take Russians which I find very interesting and very silly.

This is honestly too good.

this man is too good!

Did you find anything that said what the problem was or why he didn't get along with so many people?

This was fun

Can you do a mock draft THG?

You sounded that you loved telling this story so funny

This was so funny!!

Shannon is such a nice guy and good Canadian. "That's creative" really means "WTF were the Toronto Ontarios thinking?" Do you think Eddie Livingstone was reincarnated and came back as John Tortorella?

Am I the only one wondering how bad did he have to be to be so hated? I understand that no one liked him and he stiffed players out of their salaries and the arena owner out of his rent so it gives me an idea but all that was after the NHL's inception. What did he do before?😉😂

O do a vid on the almost Hamilton team .

The Toronto Arenas are an expansion team because they weren't a founding member they were added later. They are an expansion team in the same way Detroit, Chicago and the Rangers were expansion teams in 1926 even thought they were technically just the teams from the Western Hockey League the NHL bought and then sold and moved to more convenient locations. It would be the same thing if the 4 WHA teams would have been able to keep their entire roster they would still be considered expansion teams.

So Melnik is following tradition.

This would be a great The Dollop episode

eddie must have defiled one of the other owners daughters, or something. maybe one of their sons ?? if everyone hated him. there must have been a reason !!

No one remembers a martyr and you do not fight or continue to fight battles you cannot win. It was bad what happened to him, but you should not start out a relationship with other members of a "club" by alienating everyone else Swallow your tongue and pride.

This was...... interesting.

100th. Thank you, Eddie Livingstone, for being the driving force behind the founding of the NHL, for better or for worse. You'll go down in history kind of in the way that unknown person who stole little Cassius Clay's bike in his boyhood is responsible for Muhammad Ali.

If Indy Neidell was a hockey fan he would put Eddie Livingstone on the Dicktionary

We laugh at the name the Ontario’s, but let me remind that the Houston Texans exist.

Do I see a draft overview video on the board?

Lol you're obsessed with this Livingstone story now😄

Surprised this isn't more popular of a story. Who do you think is the least linked owner?

The need to give Melnyk the same treatment. LOL

love this stuff i never knew lol

This is absolutely hilarious

THG do u have Twitter???

Sorry on a very unrelated note: can one be unbanned from a Channel if they were banned without warning and did not harass or bother anyone, nor do they represent their actions. Will you have to email channel or is their a timeline. It’s not related to this channel and I’m just looking for opinions here as we are all a community. My friend told me he once replied and said the league was rigged unknowingly when the channel was smaller and got banned, he said he never got likes or replies so I just messaged for him cause I know he’s banned

1:38 Lol

It's the No Homers Club

An even worse version of Al Davis versus the National Football League.

Fantastic video lmao, poor Livingstone

Video idea - you should let younger viewers know the story of Brian "Spinner" Spencer.

20,400 dollars is about 300,000 dollars today

Imagine if the NHL had similar names to the Toronto Ontarios, like, for example: the Calgary Albertas, the Los Ángeles Californias or the Detroit Michigans.

This guy reminds me of the Simpsons' No Homer's Club

😊

At least he wasn't Eddie Lebec.🤷‍♂️🤣

Wow they hated him that much.

Expect a new league against Gary bettman lol

This one might be my favorite one by far with a cup of coffee way too funny

lmao

Bring back the Toronto Ontarios

if i was livingstone those nha owners wouldve been on the street or worse

So the Leafs should rightfully belong to Livingstone?

Hey this is my great great uncle can you not talk to about him like this

Hahaha the screw Livingstones

Gteat Job!!!! Eddie must really have been a Dick!!!

This is seriously like the He-Man Woman Haters Club.