The Triton Duo Doweller is too cheap... [video 523]

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In this one I’m taking another look at the Triton Duo-Doweller, a hand held joining tool you that seems to be too cheap for what it’s trying to do, and too expensive for what it actually does. Enjoy!
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@_john_doe_ Жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the plunge and reviewing this tool so we didn't have to buy it and find out all those flaw.

@derekhawley9660 Жыл бұрын

Ha ha, 'taking the plunge' ... very good.

@kz.irudimen Жыл бұрын

As an amateur woodworker without a lot of money, I am so tired of having no midrange options for so many tools. It feels like too often you have a choice between a cheap tool for 100€ which is not good enough, or the great one for 800/1000 which is massive overkill for me. And the cheap tool is often almost good and would not need much to be perfect for me. It's like they think they won't be able to sell a midrange options because it will be compared to the cheap tool. It sucks.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Exactly! 👍

@eggsngritstn Жыл бұрын

Agree. My response has been to buy second-hand tools from the higher-end suppliers, and to adapt the less expensive ones as needed.

@michaelrobinson9643 Жыл бұрын

@@eggsngritstn The real struggle in this is finding tools that have not been flogged. I worked out with the Festool rep in my area and the Fellow who does their repairs, what 2nd hand cost I'd have to negotiate to also be able to service the common tools for most common issues and still have a good deal. It's WAY lower than the market ask for Festool gear on marketplace... so it's not worth it. Where do you look and how do you examine what you find? I bought a near new metal 4 corner clamp today - $20, looks near new, $55 + postage to buy. These sorts of purchases are where I find looking around is worthwhile.

@eggsngritstn Жыл бұрын

@@michaelrobinson9643 I generally buy only models that are recent. And, yes, you have to be patient. I've bought a couple of dogs; it's a part of the deal.

@richtes Жыл бұрын

In this price range you could buy the Jessem dowel jig and use a hand drill. I picked one up off Craigslist for $100 from a guy who preferred the Dowellmax, but that’s a different price point. The Jessem appears accurate and well made.

@BischBaschBosch Жыл бұрын

Nice one Peter. Couple of things you said I know I've said myself over and over! Engineers/designers told the function having never used or seen in action. And the classic of a company could fix faults, add £100 to price and still undercut competition! It's bloody infuriating. Well done clearly demonstrating it's shortcomings.👌

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks bud! Yes, infuriating, really - it could be so, so good, but they just don't seem to care. 🤷‍♂️

@RagnBoneBrown Жыл бұрын

Excellent review. They've had years to correct these problems, and the fact that they haven't just goes to show their lack of ambition. Utter madness

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Cheers Keith! Yes, such a disappointment, and as you say, a complete lack of ambition from a self-professed 'mid-range' manufacturer. It could be made so much better, so easily too and yes, they've had years to do it. 🤷‍♂️.

@AdamFahn Жыл бұрын

Now you two have both pointed out their problems they will be having crisis meetings on Monday.

@ibubezi7685 Жыл бұрын

@@AdamFahn (about who to blame and how to discredit that Millard guy, as he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about....)

@ibubezi7685 Жыл бұрын

If I were a tool-manufacturer, I would ask woodworkers to review tools (obviously with an agreement, no videos yet) and then use their feedback. In return they get free tools, a mention and the premiere - plus preview of new tools. Anyway, one can dream.

@1973Grejluder Жыл бұрын

Coming from another trade(automatic technician). I can see your points but I can also see that if you as a user can find a good & reliable machine shop the faults can be solved. 4:36 That can be machined down so that it's in alignment with the angled part. 4:54 The see through part could that be changed to 6 half-moon shaped dots in aluminium that would give a better precision. 7:01 It would be easy for the machinist to add 2 marks on each side of the tool. If the tool can be changed would it then be a more useful tool ? And what would the price for doing the milling be ??

@christopherinteriors6521 Жыл бұрын

I find that the problem with dowels is that you get no room for error in any direction. Being a handheld tool where you are lining up a pencil line, there will occasionally be some side to side misalignment. Height wise, this isn't as much of an issue as the hole is determined by a fence but with side to side it isn't. The next misalignment issue can come if you don't glue up your work pieces fast enough after making the dowel holes. Even when cutting dowel holes on a dowelling machine in a workshop (clamped down to the bed and side fence for accuracy), you then are affected by expansion and contraction in the wood, causing your 2 workpieces to occasionally misalign. Biscuits and dominoes have some side to side play and overcome this. I think for the DIYer or someone who doesn't want to spend 100s or 1000s, a router with a slot cutting bit or a cheap biscuit jointer is the best option. Another great video btw!

@jra55417 9 ай бұрын

Biscuits aren’t dowels/tenons. They only assist with alignment and add nothing to joint strength. Dowels and dominos/loose tenons add joint strength as well as assisting alignment

@rickkinney1249 Жыл бұрын

nice, honest, straight forward review without being TOO critical------just what we have come to expect from you thanx peter rick

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks Rick! Trying hard not to be overcritical, but it wasn't easy! 😂 👍

@CrookedSkew Жыл бұрын

These are important videos for so many woodworkers. Thank you. Seems like the worst of both worlds. Not cheap but cheaply and somewhat thoughtlessly made.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Exactly that! And thanks! 👍

@FuzzyScaredyCat Жыл бұрын

There I was hoping it would be worth getting one. Thanks again for give another great, honest review.

@animationcreations42 Жыл бұрын

I can't help but think if you had Aldi or Lidl come up with even a £100 duo dowler the quality would be infinitely better!

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Yes! At least you’d know it was a supermarket special… 👍

@McMonkeyful Жыл бұрын

You could forgive a £80 Parkside version needing a little tweaking to get working. I like using dowels in my projects but can't really justify investing in a Festool/Mafell at this point in my hobby. Such a shame this Triton is so wonky as I'd definately get one at that price point without these easily fixable flaws. Screwfix have one on clearance sale for £168 but if it's going to give inconsistent results I think I'll stick with basic jigs for a few years until someone comes up with a decent alternative. Seems like there's a real gap in the market for those who like the idea of a Domino but don't have the money to burn on it.

@m.rei85 Жыл бұрын

I've had my share of falling supermarket tools and am much more considerate about buying them. A few turned out to be quite OK, but some didn't even survive one project or build from start to end without partial if full failure. Without brutal misuse, I might add.

@highgatehandyman6479 10 ай бұрын

Millard. The gentleman chippytuber. Always the best tool reviews. Always spot on and genuine

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Thanks! Always honest - otherwise, what’s the point? 👍👍

@hanzon1529 Жыл бұрын

Very enlightening review. Thank you Peter.

@soundman127 Жыл бұрын

Excellent. Useful video as usual. I really appreciate the high production values. Great in 4k, brilliant sharp ultra close ups.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍

@andyc972 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time and spending the money to do this useful review Peter ! I guess I'll stick with my 30 y/o wolf dowelling jig and my similarly ancient Bosch GFF22A biscuit jointer for now then !

@m.rei85 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing this review! I was thinking back and forth about buying this duo dowler, after I've seen and heard good things about several of their other tools. You saved me a lot disappointment and frustration.

@simonhall2682 Ай бұрын

Thanks for this review- was considering buying one but not now!!

@CasualDIY Жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, great video as always 👍 for some reason I was hoping this tool would do well. But there you go, you have saved me some money👍 all the best mate.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Hi Tomasz! Yeah, I was rooting for it too, but hey ho - not to be! 🤷‍♂️ 👍

@SharpEdgeWoodworking-UK Жыл бұрын

Great video on the tool Peter. As you know I fell for the charms of this tool years ago but soon discovered it made life harder not better.....and bought a Domino. It really makes you wonder what conversations took place at the Triton design offices.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris! Honestly, it makes me wonder if *any* conversations took place at the Triton design offices... 🤷‍♂️ 👍

@sarge2665 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for yet another brilliant and informative video Peter. You've highlighted some very fundamental flaws in this tool that as you say wouldn't have been very difficult for the manufacturer to get right. I think this tool is off my list at least for the time being, oh well I'll just have to keep on using my jig.......

@gusbub13 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely the way a tool review should be done. Real world use over time with helpful advice on the details. Thank you. Can't tell you how tired and frustrated I am with typical unboxing videos with "some guy" whose opinion is based on whatever the manufacturer tells him it is. At least use the tool and give an informed opinion. Thanks again. Your competent views and experience keep me watching.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I think the difference is that I - mostly - buy the tools I review, and need to spend time with them before making a video about them. 👍

@marklynch8781 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for revisiting the Duo-Doweller topic, granted with all things said, I still think it's a pretty awesome machine. A mini version would great.

@christianratajczak3884 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video. I purchased it in the past when it came out and returned it for the same reasons. Thank you for the update, still junk.

@pascalhibon7928 Жыл бұрын

I have a dowelling jig made by Wolfcraft. It is usable for dowels and to make 32 mm shelf support holes. Made several cabinets with this tool and it works great. For the DIY market this is a nice solution. It is of coarse quite manual and not as fast as a machine solution is but it does the job just fine.

@danielrisberg2112 Жыл бұрын

Thank You for another very interesting review!

@geoffreygriffiths1487 Жыл бұрын

A few years ago I bought a Freud doweller for $100 Cnd. They were selling off old stock to bring in a newer model. I have not regretted the purchase. I have the 3 standard sized bit sets, 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" and I have used them all to great effect.

@cafeclavosypalos3918 2 ай бұрын

This video is simple great 💯👍 I really would like to see what you can do to fix that problems! Window... And more 🤷🏽‍♂️

@ashleycox432 Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you published this video when you did. I was about to buy one of these as I have a large desk project coming up. I couldn't find a decent universal cam lock jig anywhere, and I've always preferred dowels to biscuits, so I was about to buy one of these as I've always found Triton tools excellent for the money. Safe to say I won't bother buying one now.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

It's a real shame, but the wise thing to do. 👍

@daverobinson6384 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter. I placed an order for one of these this morning, having watched this video I’ve cancelled it!

@tonydart425 Жыл бұрын

Wow thanks Peter, I was actually seriously thinking of getting one of these as I was really impressed by the TRA01 router. Your review of the doweller has now confirmed to me spend a little more and go quality so its going to be the FESTOOL DOMINO without a shadow of doubt. Once again thanks for an in depth and proper review.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tony! Was a big fan of the TRA001 myself, but this is such a disappointment when the faults are so easy to fix. 👍 🤷‍♂️

@StrawbyteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Interesting review. I sent mine back a few years ago and saved, and saved, and got the DF500 in the end. I tend to find when I need dowels, that a simple jig does the job well and simply. Even the worst jigs I've used produce an acceptable result - and overall accept the time needed to make the joints. What trend has not nailed for me is the time-saving as some of those niggles you hightlighed would slow you down if you want to avoid mistakes. The domino is fast and accurate (and a precision tool) and justifiable in those terms if time is money.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks Karl! Yes, it's a shame as I was hoping they'd sorted all this out by now. 🤷‍♂️ 👍

@paulmaryon9088 Жыл бұрын

So looks like we'll be sticking with the domino! Thanks for another great video Peter, have a good weekend

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul, you too! 👍

@normanboyes4983 Жыл бұрын

Excellent expose Peter well structured and excellent observations.😀👍

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks Norman! 👍

@simonb700 Жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, the video I’d like to see in future is one where this tool is thrown in the bin!

@54mgtf22 Жыл бұрын

Love your work 👍

@ianpearse4480 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video. Saved a lot of cash. Cheers.

@csimet Жыл бұрын

Nice review. I've had my eyes on this as a stronger joining alternative to my trusty Dewalt biscuit jointer I use for alignment purposes only (edge bands, face frames, etc.). I agree with your findings and appreciate the video. I've got the Triton mini spindle sander that I'm actually quite happy with for the job it does.... seems well made. I'm still debating a purchase of this tool, as it seems to be built okay, meeting my needs. Fixing the shortcomings appears to be relatively easy to do. I'd love to see you do a video on that.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks! The fix-up is coming! 👍

@MultiZaklinac Жыл бұрын

A great review. I am just in the market for a joining tool like this but having seen your review now I will wait and save up some money to get me the Domino. Thanks a lot!

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

That's the smart thing to do, and it's such a shame that this isn't better than it is. 🤷‍♂️ 👍

@MultiZaklinac Жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop You summed it up perfectly - there really is a need for a mid range option. I dont know why they botched it up so badly

@whenshovelswereshovels3068 Жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, I have this doweller and made 2 gallows brackets with it a few days ago for a door canopy but it is a laborious thing to use and line up but it did serve its purpose and the job turned out well. A few tweaks and it could be great as you say.

@1973Grejluder Жыл бұрын

@daniellyons2054 Жыл бұрын

Thanks was going to buy one I’ll save my money and a bit more for something better 👍👍

@MCsCreations Жыл бұрын

Fantastic and honest review, Peter! Thanks! 😃 You know, I've made a bunch of tools for myself, even a dremel tool that still works great... And tools like this makes me think that it's the best way to do things, really... All you would need is a good dc motor, a power supply, 2 drill chucks and a few other things that you can get pretty cheap from China... Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Sounds great! Thanks, and you too! 👍

@licurgius Жыл бұрын

Excellent review!

@michael.knight Жыл бұрын

Hooked on wood has a good video on a doweling jig (think by WNEW) that does a great job and almost as fast as this machine. Seems to me the best affordable option on the market.

@michaelrichards9814 Жыл бұрын

I bought this WNEW jig based on the review, and the quality is superb.

@cloth0077 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks, Peter. As a keen amateur woodworker, each time I look at a new power tool, like most recently a biscuit jointer, it’s a choice between the very cheap end of the market, that experiences a la Black & Decker drill and Tacklife circular saw have taught me to avoid, and the higher end that would be very nice, but can’t justify the cost. I did recently look at buying 2nd hand higher quality tools, but don’t want to end up with alignment issues or other regrets around the kit potentially having been dropped or damaged by some other means. I usually end up going with Erbauer corded, that does the job, albeit ‘clunkily’. Or stretching a little further with Bosch blue for cordless which does OK for me, but I was disappointed that they don’t seem do a biscuit jointer. And I have often thought, as you said, there’s a gap in the market for a mid-range given the huge delta in cost and quality between the cheap and professional ends of the spectrum. Maybe one of the brands will latch on to it sooner or later.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I do find it is bizarre that a self-professed 'mid-range' manufacturer only wants to compete at the entry-level, or slightly above. No ambition! 😂 👍

@peterwooldridge7285 Жыл бұрын

Good review Peter

@awantamta Жыл бұрын

Great , honest review

@CitizenAyellowblue Жыл бұрын

Good review!

@michaelgarnham9578 Жыл бұрын

Good video as usual. I dont mind playing around with some of the cheaper tools to get better use from them as it can be quite an interesting challenge. But you are 100% right in saying you should not have to do anything to a tool that costs £175. I have never owned a Triton branded product although recently I did consider a couple. Definately glad I hesitated now!

@kz.irudimen Жыл бұрын

Some of their tools are pretty good, I have the scheppach oscillating sander that seems identical to the Triton and I love it. A friend has their thicknesser and for the price it's a great deal IMO. But like many other decent brands they also seem to make some questionable products.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

I had the Triton version of that oscillating sander and it was awful!

@kz.irudimen Жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Really ? What did you dislike about it ? For my use the belt sander works great, it's one of my favorite tools. I rarely use it in spindle mode though, mostly because I find the spindles don't last at all and remove almost nothing.

@m0aze611 Жыл бұрын

Dowel Max, very accurate and flexible system. But not speedy and has been my go to joiner for years as I can’t justify a Domino (I’d like to). Great vid thanks Peter…

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Dowelmax isn't sold or supported in the UK, unfortunately. 🤷‍♂️ 👍

@m0aze611 Жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi Peter, the original I purchased from Canada from there on I’ve added to the original via the U.K. Thanks again.

@maxbee4460 Жыл бұрын

Hello, I bought the Dowelmax a couple of years ago from Canada. It’s very well made and a quality tool,BUT, I don’t find it intuitive to use and mistakes can be made if you don’t use it on a regular basis. Then there’s the problems with the dowels themselves, I found it difficult to dry fit them despite the 10mm dowel holes are drilled with a 10.1mm drill. I ordered the 8mm kit, (8.1mm drill) but the tightness of the dowels was the same. I found that if I put 10-20 dowels on a piece of kitchen towel, put them in the microwave for 20secs, it drew out some moisture and it shrinks them slightly making it easier to fit. I now keep them in an airtight container. But after all this I wouldn’t use them on a large project as there’s absolutely no wiggle room. I’d love a Domino, but at my age and now only doing DIY work, I can’t really justify one. 😢

@m0aze611 Жыл бұрын

@@maxbee4460 I had the same issue and like you I dry the dowels out before use and store them similar to yourself. I did at first struggle with its use but I found a lot of KZfaq vids which helped me gain confidence in the tool. It is very accurate but dowels don’t have the wiggle room the Dominos have. I have the confidence to use it for many different scenarios, dry fitting remains tough and I’ve built furniture, internal doors and repaired furniture with it over many years. Great to hear how you are solving some of the issues and thanks for the reply. Like most tools and especially Peter with many years of experience makes things look too easy. Kindest regards Mike

@tuesboomer1623 Жыл бұрын

Great review!

@davidbray1763 Жыл бұрын

I was given one and when I tried it out, I found that the drills were out of alignment with the top folding fence. This results in the holes being drilled on different centre lines relative to the edge of the board. Like you did with the plastic window Peter, I dismantled the fence system and elongated holes in an effort to align things a little better. I certainly would not part with hard earned dollars for one of these.

@timandrew7566 7 ай бұрын

The fence was out if alignment on mine too. I fixed that by removing the front housing and two internal locating pins before reassembling it to be parallel, then tightening up the four bolts. The absence of the pins offers just enough room for adjustment. Even then I ended up with the Mafell DDF40 due to the other limitations Peter mentions in his excellent video.

@garydeverson2729 8 ай бұрын

Hi Peter, just purchased one of these tools, will let you know hiw I get on

@elbarto152 Жыл бұрын

Great review! I would be interested in seeing you modify the Triton to improve the performance.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks, it's coming... 👍

@woodshop7487 Жыл бұрын

Hey Peter. Hope all well. I sold mine a while ago. I basically found the same issues you explained. I changed the alignment plate thingy, put the side lines in with my dremel and added a handle to the front. The one niggle I couldn't sort was the bits weren't 100% square. It was only a small amount. I thought it was doing OK... then I purchased a domino. Day and night...😂😂. Totally agree there is a gap in the market... introducing the TMW lightning dowller?? 😂😂😂

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Cheers Barry, all good here thanks! Not having those issue with the bits - they were on my original dowellers that were returned years ago. 👍

@The-Caveman Жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, I have one of those dowellers and mine is also inaccurate. It would be good to see you do another video with more upgrades to this tool. Cheer. 👍🏻

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

It’s coming! 👍

@The-Caveman Жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter, I’m looking forward to seeing it. 👍🏻👍🏻

@TimberWorker Жыл бұрын

Interested to see your views. I've had the duo doweller for a couple of years and found it OK with no real complaints but wouldn't rave about it either. I've not had any experience of a Domino, Lamello or Maffell version to compare with.

@johncorrall1739 Жыл бұрын

I’ve got the first generation mafell doweller too. I paid £300,second hand about 4 years back,fantastic machine,no regrets. Not all triton tools are rubbish,I have their thickness planer and their very,very powerful 1/2” router mounted under my router table,great tools and relatively cheap. Maybe triton should either develop this machine to a decent standard or disassociate themselves from such appalling crap. Great vid,Pete.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks John. Big fan of the TRA001 router myself, had one slung under the bench for a decade or more. Solid workhorse, makes it all the more puzzling why they think this is adequate. 🤷‍♂️👍

@peterprice8393 Жыл бұрын

You would think these tool company’s would give some of the R&D first run products to people who will be using there new tool and get all their feed back before final the production run . To give everybody a tool worth having and to keep their company name and reputation from being shouted down. Keep up the fantastic vlog Peter.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter! 🙌

@ianamck Жыл бұрын

As a weekend warrior a Festool domino is beyond my budget. Last time you reviewed the triton it put me right off and so I chose a manual dowelmax jig which works well. However, it is always on my mind for something more automatic. Your review as reinforced my view that the triton is just not the answer and maybe one day I can warrant a domino. Appreciate your insight.

@dieterk9568 Жыл бұрын

If you enjoy woodworking and have a halfway decent workshop with the ambition to enjoy work I'd recommend to buy tools min. 2 steps more expensive, than you think to need. The Mafell Duo doweler is such an example. Using it since 15 years I wished having bought it much earlier. This is a precision tool, which is a joy to use

@islandhopperstuart Жыл бұрын

Great assessment Peter. I've given up on Triton stuff after trying their TPL180 planer which was similarly poorly designed and badly made. The principles used for fundamental processes such as retaining the blades were laughably poor and even when it did work, it was impossible to get a consistent cut. In the end, what was left of it went back to Amazon along with an engineering report on its deficiencies. Subsequently, orange and silver has become one colour scheme I will never consider for power tools, a policy which your video reinforces. Once again, thanks for spending, nay wasting your money so we don't have to. It's really appreciated.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🙌

@tartorstyx5104 10 ай бұрын

Hi, too be honest, after watching most of the videos about this tool, including the 5+ years old ones, to me it seems they have addressed some of the flaws. I see not such a big problem having to fix the glass with markings. People saying they will save for a Mafell/Festool don't have the arithmetic in place, you cannot "save up" for something 5 times more costly. I will take the risk with this one, I have some non standard angles to drill for a lounge chair. Have a good day!

@t.alanblain6313 Жыл бұрын

Excellent review, thank you Peter. Your comment about Triton's manufacturer being told to produce a tool that they didn't understand was probably closer to the truth than you realised. I was given a pencil with an eraser at one end at a hotel in Kazahkstan. Clearly the chinese company that made them had been shown a photograph of the pencil and proceeded to make them based on this. The 'eraser' was pink plastic!

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

😂👍

@chrisdraper1976 6 ай бұрын

Thanks. Saved me some money

@samjones9808 Жыл бұрын

A friend of mine kindly leant me his triton doweller. After struggling with it for an hour I just went back to settin out with a square and pencil and drilling the holes myself. If it had some basic, accurate settings on the machine it would have been spot on and I would have bought one myself. Quite frustrating to have a machine that's meant to make a precision task quicker and more simple , only to not have the basics to do so.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Yep, exactly that. 🤷‍♂️👍

@Thesidingsworkshop Жыл бұрын

Fair play mate that was a very good run through review, agree its baffling why the makes sense , common sense design requirements are just not taken into account. But, unfortunately as is with many different areas , this seems to be the way things are these days. Anyway nice video Pete

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dan! 👍

@samrix5793 Жыл бұрын

Nice video!

@weldabar Жыл бұрын

Excellent review! Anyone thinking of buying it would now know exactly what to expect. I'm with Peter in being baffled at engineering design choices. Often I see in a product two choices that would cost the same to design and build, yet the company chooses the far-less functional option.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yep, leaves me utterly puzzled. 🤷‍♂️

@steveposton3928 Жыл бұрын

Great video Pete, it would be interesting to see if they pay attention and listen to your views. Hope you get some feedback from this and they improve the performance of this tool. Cheers,all the best.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve. I suspect it’ll fall in deaf ears- or the marketing department will get a another ‘brand ambassador’ involved… 🤷‍♂️👍

@warwickholden6332 Жыл бұрын

Still can't beat the Record 148 dowlling jig for versatility, accuracy, and dependability. If you must use dowels. I'm old enough to remember when dowel rod came in various lengths. You cut it by hand to length and finished the ends with a "cone cutting" tool in a hand brace. Then cut a slot along the dowel length with a tenon saw. To make the most of the Record jig you needed at least 4 bush carriers and the drill bushes in both metric and imperial. With extra rods of course. Cost a pretty penny in the end. Though Record did provide the metric bushes free when I asked to buy some from them. Those were the days when customer service actually meant something!

@widders1 Жыл бұрын

I had a similar issue a ywar ago with the Triton track saw, 3 saws from 3 vendors, first had a manufacturing defect, the second and third both had both clearly been returned previously and sold as new with various issues. My guess would be the UK is just a throw away market for them. The design weirdness looks like they had the Mafell doweller to design from so copied the crenelation and didn't see that the end of the fence is the center mark on the Mafell, like you said no idea on the use of the original tool.

@c.a.g.1977 Жыл бұрын

well explained, Peter! I own a festool domino (yes, it costs a lot, but I still have one kidney left) and I was wondering if there are things that you can do with a doweller and/or biscuit joiner that a domino can't do?

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks! And no, on the contrary, the Domino is still the most flexible jointing system you can get; a precision tool that lets you work loosely. 👍

@GianmarioScotti Жыл бұрын

Being unable to reference position against the edge is a deal-breaker for me.

@awlthatwoodcrafts8911 Жыл бұрын

A very fair review. Nice work, Peter. You did everything you could to give this tool the benefit of the doubt but it still has some critical shortcomings. Not a tool worthy of the price.

@robertleyland4252 Жыл бұрын

Great selection of all your Videos from 5 years ago to the present day. I myself spent 24 years in the Army 15 years as a pro photographer 10 as a British Army SURVEILLANCE /COMBAT CAMERA team and then as a freelance in Civie street. I spend a great deal of my current time dismantling wooden furniture that I have brought at auction as it's cheaper than buying wood it from a local yard especially hardwood, my tools, and power tools are Dewalt table saw drills and mostly....... Erbauer I find them robust and to the point no frills I have seen some of your comparisons, how would you rate them as general tools power tools the Erbauer Chop saw, bit of a nightmare getting a 90degree cut , thanks for your time

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I have a couple of Erbauer tools, they seem pretty good - the bigger plunge saw is a dead ringer for the Triton version, but lack of spares is a concern if you want a longer-term investment. Then again I've used some Triton spares on the Erbauer without any issues! 👍

@robertleyland4252 Жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks. I have just Snagged a bargain Erbauer plunge saw Brand New £100, we will see when it arrives just halfway through your Track saw series fantastic info....Thanks again

@robertleyland4252 Жыл бұрын

CANCEL that in my haste to grab a bargain i did not read the small print image was a catalogue item the acatual item is second hand with no spares ......lesson learnt

@gav2759 Жыл бұрын

You're right, I would be in the market for one of those in yellow or a turquoisey livery. I don't mind the odd adaptation, but that fellow looks unfellelable. I might have bit the Mafell bullet, were I not able to "get by" with other means.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Have to say, having used the latest Mafell for a while, and now owning one of the originals, I'd look elsewhere - unless it had to be dowels vs eg Dominos. 🤷‍♂️ 👍

@evelbsstudio Жыл бұрын

@Peter Millard I tend to use biscuits myself. Considering the price gap I think a few odd adjustments might be the way to go, money is getting hard these days.

@p07gbar Жыл бұрын

Hopefully when the domino parents expire we'll have some new offerings in this space!

@samsabastian5560 Жыл бұрын

Triton was originally invented and made in Australia. They were great tools. After the original Triton brand sold out, there has been a continual downhill slide. I still have two of their original routers. Excellent tools. I won't be parting with those.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Yep, I had one of the old TRA001 routers under my bench for a decade or more, absolutely bomb proof. 💪👍

@VeganRashad 9 ай бұрын

I have both Triton and df500. I bought them experiment.

@paulzirker706 Жыл бұрын

Great video Peter and thanks for your honest opinion. Interested to see if you sent that video to triton and what they said. Also what is your doweling jig?

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks! It’s just a basic one off Amazon - it’s listed in the Dowel Jig Basics video - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sLqaksuaqrzKpqs.html

@hansdegroot8549 Жыл бұрын

Great video/review. Thanks for sharing. Did you contact Triton about all these drawbacks/missing/non-complete features/functjions? They should pay you your weight in gold.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks Hans. No, if Triton want to engage with me on a professional basis, they know where to find me. 👍

@dougsaunders8109 Жыл бұрын

Interesting review Peter. It is only once you get to use the premium tool brands do you realise how much the little things make the difference, such as the marks on body to line things up. Triton as a brand I find baffling. Their router and work holding devices as great. Tim from ‘The Restoration Couple’ has the massive plane he likes and was good value. I have the jointer which is very noisy and I would have liked a little wider cut capacity but it was not like I did not know that when I bought it. It just means it is not a brand I would to as a first choice because they have a few really good tools in a range which has flawed examples throughout

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks Doug. Yep, I had a big old Triton TRA001 router under my bench for years, never missed a beat, the plunge saws are OK, basically a slightly fancier version of the old Titan, and that planer looks like a beast! I had the oscillating sander and wasn't overly impressed... 🤷‍♂️

@1973Grejluder Жыл бұрын

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

But at £175 / $200 why should the user have to do that? On a $50 supermarket special, sure, but at this price it should be better than this, don’t you think? 🤷‍♂️👍

@cg3205 Жыл бұрын

Good argument for buying your loose tenon jig! That + a decent router comes in less than this Triton thing.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Yep; even a cheap router plus the jig will do more than this will. 👍

@simon-d-m Жыл бұрын

Just out of curiosity, does it say anywhere on it (or in the instructions) where it's made?

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

I'd have to check to be sure, but I'd say it's pretty much 100% to be Chinese. Like the computer I'm writing this on, the cameras and lenses I shot the video on, the microphones that recorded the sound etc.. etc.. So not the country of manufacture to blame really, more the standards that were set by the brand. 👍

@TinusBruins Жыл бұрын

When flaws like these are present, then they're most likely by design. Only a few companies own the production lines, and the majority are only rebrands. As a shareholder to save the name of a quality brand, you don't want a rebrand to compete with it. So products of rebrands need to have flaws by design.

@joshuasmith9470 Жыл бұрын

Youre absoloutly right with the gap in the market, around 3-£400. Theres literally no competition on mafells £800 ddf40, which i find crazy

@williamdoyle649 Жыл бұрын

WELL SAID !

@nathanmcintyre1 Жыл бұрын

Poor timing on my part Peter as I actually bought one of these about 2 weeks ago. I have noticed all of the same issues that you mentioned with the addition of 1 other serious issue: the 2 drill bits are at very slightly different distances from the fence. Whether this is an issue with the fence or the placement of the bits I'm not sure. When joining 2 pieces it results in really poor alignment. For example when edge joining 2 boards, board 1 will be higher than board 2 at one end and lower at the other. I can no doubt fix this but it takes time and effort and I shouldn't have to do it for a tool of this price!

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that Nathan. I had an extreme version of your issue on the first doweller I bought, and combined issues on the next two. Honestly, I'd return it and try to get another - though there's no guarantee the replacement would be any better, sadly!

@andrewpinson1268 Жыл бұрын

I have several dowel jigs and the concept of this tool would be great if they would at the very least listen to your evaluation of it. As you say there is a market for a good tweener tool. I have several Triton hand tools and fit and finish does not seem to be their goals.

@kentrichardson9070 Жыл бұрын

I’ve been saying for years that the people who design tools most likely never use tools. If I was a tool manufacturer I’d go to the users and ask what they’d like to see.

@puddytat62 Жыл бұрын

Believe it or not but those Tritons are hard to get here in Canada! Recent video by Bourbon moth used the doweller so not sure if that boosted sales. Rockler in USA sells them and a recent notification indicated stock but they sold out quite quickly. They also don’t ship to Canada. As an alternative to the domino this seems reasonable and hey if it works for ikea then how bad can it be

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Dowels are great, but unfortunately this Triton isn’t. 🤷‍♂️👍

@mikenewman4078 Жыл бұрын

For years I resisted buying a dowelling jig because of the same issues. Recently on the strength of a KZfaq video I bought a jig system which is accurate (you use the included drill bits and locating pins). It wasn't cheap and works well for someone prepared to take a bit of time. Too slow however for profession level output. So whether it is a jig or a power tool, jointing systems are mostly rubbish and to get past the rubbish zone takes cubic dollars. Triton make decent routers, pity this is so un-engineered. Different contract manufacturers maybe?

@HepauDK Жыл бұрын

This certainly wasn't designed by the same design team that designed their plunge routers. The routers have a whole plethora of great features, like automatic spindle lock, safety latch on the power switch, twist grip plunge, and so much more, even on the small model.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Had the big router under my bench for over a decade. Solid piece of kit, but designed (and made) long before the company changed hands. 👍

@HepauDK Жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop I have the small one (MOF 001) in the extension I built for my Dewalt DW745, and the spindle lock makes it a breeze to change bits while mounted in the table. That, and the ability to adjust the height from above the table was the 2 main reasons why I bought it. I also bought 12mm and 1/2" collets for it. It is mounted in an adapter plate from Rockler, specifically designed for the Triton. My Makita palm router was too weak, and my Bosch POF 1200 AE lacked pretty much all the required features for table mounting. So the Triton was a no-brainer for my small garage workshop.

@johnbewick6357 Жыл бұрын

I suppose the thing to do is, buy this tool, and find a friendly home machinist who can mill the sides of the fence to align with the body etc, and do the few other mods to make this into a £500 doweller without actually spending that much. Job done.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Except it’s already £175, and if you can get a friendly home machinist to do all that for less than another £175 (£350 being what I paid for my Mafell doweller) then let me know because I can keep them very busy! 👍

@johnbewick6357 Жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop As a retired engineer, with a fully equipped workshop, I often do these kind of jobs for friends in exchange for a little work from them. I suppose it is because of this that I tend to think that a lot of people in the various trades will know someone who knows someone who can. Maybe I should buy a Triton doweller and do the mods you describe as desirable, and see how long it takes me.

@RobertvandenBurg Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your trails and tests. Seeing this one somehow triggered me to write this comment. My question is, have you, before you sending this vid out, contact the manufacturer to provide your suggestions (which all valid btw) to them and took in consideration what they will do with it? Burning a tool is so easy done when it’s not convenient for your purpose , unless you take the effort to contact the manufacturer and listen what they have to say. If they do neglect your advice than it’s ok.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Hi Robert. Firstly, nobody's 'burning' a tool here - though as I say in the video there are plenty of other vids here on KZfaq where the tone is a lot less favourable than mine. I'm a customer, I bought three of these about five years ago, and I wanted to see if Triton had actually paid any attention to the many videos that have gone before, and improved this at all. This one is better, but not good enough, I feel, to justify the asking price; it's not a matter of being 'inconvenient' for my purpose, but a fundamental lack of attention to the basics of how a tool like this is used, and what it's used for. As I say, I think it's a missed opportunity not to make the simple improvements that could make this tool not only workable, but genuinely good value and at a much higher asking price. But I'm under no compulsion to do Triton's work for them - wether that's the work of the designers, manufacturers, or social media managers; they can get in touch with me if they choose to. Cheers, Peter

@RobertvandenBurg Жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you for the explanation. I understand what you say and if a tool is not meet certain standards you would expect them to have, well nobody likes that. And I agree with what you pointed out in the vid. At the same time, I am not in favour of unilateral criticism without having heard the other side first.

@highgatehandyman6479 10 ай бұрын

Triton routers though. My Triton router is superb. Especially the chuck which is genuine steel quality.

@10MinuteWorkshop 10 ай бұрын

Yep, had a big old TRA001 under the bench for years, bulletproof. 💪👍

@davidmorgan2859 Жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, I have emailed Triton tools Australia and encouraged them to view your excellent review of the doweling tool. Hoping for but not expecting a reply on this request, only time will tell.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks David. I suspect it’ll fall on deaf ears! 👍🤷‍♂️

@cy8646 Жыл бұрын

Considering the cost of this vs a Domino I wouldn't mind making my own modifications to it to bring it up to scratch.

@rocksteadfarm Жыл бұрын

Triton was originally an Australian company, but the brand eventually was taken over by a Chinese company that produced cheap products under the GMC brand. I think the company is still trying to trade off the good name of the original Triton whilst producing the same cheap tools they always have. I have an original Triton Mk 3 table saw table that uses a circular saw, and doubles as a router table. It works fine, is well calibrated and is now over 30 years old.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Agree. I had the big router under the bench for over a decade. Solid. 👍

@garywheeley5108 Жыл бұрын

Don't know who owns triton but when they brought out the work centre out c 1984 there was a 3 hour video came with it with the inventor demoing it there was nothing like it at the time seem to have sold out for the money...

@sjfarrell2.03 Жыл бұрын

Like others, I have £300 > £400 in my pocket waiting to spend on a mid range doweller. By the time one becomes available, I might have saved enough for a Domino.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Yep, that's the madness, isn't it?? 🤷‍♂️ 👍