Absolutely, if you want, you can DM me a document with the subs and I'll insert it! Tengo habilidades suficientes para insertarlo con el tempo apropiado. Muchas gracias!

I did enjoy this video. But I LOVED your first video about every error in season 8 because it showed that the ending MADE NO SENSE, it didn't feel like the ending they were building towards and I didn't get why they switched roles between Cersei and Daenerys. My guess is that they did it for subvert expectations.

Ran out runway AKA Book damn it GRR Martin finish the books :P

​@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Thanks for the kind words Sydni! And I think you're on to something. They seem to have been too focused on being unpredictable... I've got videos coming up on Every Error in S5-7 as well! Hope you'll enjoy those just as much!

@A Jew Free World what do you mean??

Nevertheless, seasons 1-4 are quite self-sufficient and worth rewatching.

Agreed. Sadly, it's a weird place to stop watching though :/

Yea….I actually tried last week to rewatch the show from the beginning. I couldn’t get through the second episode, knowing where it was going the journey just doesn’t feel worth it anymore.

I used to watch the series multiple times a year. I havent once since the finale.

The Battle of the Bastards was great. But, otherwise the once great show was gone

Felt incredibly heart wrenching. The meme ''they massacred my boy'' is the definition of the show seasons 5-8

It felt like an enormous rip off and that's from somebody who pirated the last 3 seasons of the show.

I watched it in a week 💀

@@sebiieex How?

@@xaviercockerton6989 I didn’t sleep or go to class

😂😂😂 I was talking about this yesterday How did they think we would just let it pass? Is the raven going 1000km/h and the dragons as well??? Same with the chains, did it just spawned for the convenience of the plot? Apparently

The moment it really died is when they fucked Stannis over, had him be defeated by a mentally ill person.

That entire story arc was idiotic. They didn't need to send 7 main characters north of the wall to capture a single wight when the Night's Watch already had rangers on patrol who'd been encountering them much more often than usual...

Thank you! I came here to say this! How does a dragon not see the damn armada of ships out in the open ocean. Worse than this to me was the moving ship firing a giant arrow hundreds of yards into the air and hitting a flying dragon. That would be a difficult shot with a modern rifle, much less a medieval giant arrow launcher. If dragons were that easy to take down, they would have never been the doomsday weapon they were shown to be.

Yeah. Dany has the only arial reconnaissance in the world, but she gets ambushed by a fleet at sea?

I dare say that scene alone carried the entire season somehow.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 Didn't really make sense why Cersi had such a burning death grudge against Olenna though. That would only makes sense if she knew Olenna killed Joffrey, but at the time she didn't

I thought it was corny personally.

@@TheStapleGunKid maybe because she constantly made Cersei feel small, stupid powerless, and we all know how petty Cersei is.

I thought the best part was the very end when the wall fell, what a shame what it led to though or shall I say didn’t lead to

Really ruines the rewatch value too :/

It was baffling…like they had a meeting and said “you know everything people like about the show …the lack of plot armor, the consistent smart characters, the putting of substance over style, the high level political intrigues, attention to detail, having spectacle only where it fits, etc. From now on…..just do the opposite of all those things. They’ll love it!”

They made little finger dumb in the end when he’s supposed to be very smart

It was a spectacular failure after everyone worked so hard to build the world, characters and plotlines to not be just another cliched tv show. It's like they didn't understand the while point.

It was because they never understood any of those characters. GRRM created them to make the reader think about their type or class, so they were subtly different from their archetypes. The writers never got that, because they think "themes are for eighth grade book reports". So rather than see Tyrion as a way to explore what disability means in a fantasy world that priotizes mighty warriors, or Brienne to see how the deck is stacked against women who want to be warriors, or Cersei as a way of investigating how did the Evil Queen become evil, they just went with the easy version. They see Ned loses, so they write him as a loser, they see Tyrion is cool & Brienne is a badass, so the write them as a stock cool dude & a strong badass who takes no crap. Tell me how Brienne is different from the female Marine in "Aliens" or any other stock exceptional female combatant, without mentioning physical traits or plotlines. They NEVER wrote the good versions of the characters, they wrote standard TV characters who matched up to a blurb of their superficial traits. This was merely concealed in the early seasons, because their flat cliched characters were forced to follow the path of GRRM's plot, which was driven by his deeper and more complex versions. As a result, we were fooled into thinking there was depth in the screen versions. The "butchery" was simply the characters move out of the narrow path Martin wrote, and suddenly they had to stand on their own and were unable to.

oh, they could have done so much with all seven kingdoms having to work together to defeat them over the course of a whole season, they had so much to work with,it’s truly disappointing

Absolutely. there was so much mystique surrounding them and so much more about them that could have been explored. Why did they want Bran? What do they even want? Whats the connection between them and the white Raven? The show did absolutely nothing with any of that.

Yeah, spot on. Everything got rushed after season 5 and ten years of build-up from literally the very first scene in episode 1 is wasted in the blink of an eye.

What's even more baffling is that the Night King is D&D's OC character. In the books they are just "The Others" or "The White Walkers". They have no defined leadership and are a total mystery. The show went to all these lengths with the White Walkers and the Army of the Dead....for literally no reason at all.

The NK was a quick-and-dirty way to end the story. With an ambigous threat, like in the books, it would have taken a decent chunk of seasons to end it, which D&D weren't perpared to do.

Yes exactly that was my main reason for hating the final season. Like the white walkers should've made it to kings landing like they foreshadowed, remember in season 7 finale it was snowing in kings landing but then it was beach weather in season 8. I believe Dan and Dave changed shit to be unpredictable.

@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 and the very FIRST scene of the show is a white walker attack. With no payoff 8 seasons later. Remember those tales when Bran was on the bed about the Long Night? Turns out it was a literal long night. All that set up for nothing.

Then maybe you should try it again. 😉

I feel you!

Yeah they really effed up by not fully adapting A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons. They shouldn't have gotten ahead of Grrm but Dan and Dave thought they were smarter than Dan and Dave.

I love it

Same. I know how irrational it sounds but I feel so robbed of my time and energy despite the fact the series ended a long (subjectively speaking) time ago.

Love the books. Read them every year.

Have you read his last few books? They are god awful, Martin wrote himself into a corner and gave up but didn’t have the decency to inform the show-runners or the fans. Blame the old fat bald asshole, not the show-runners that suddenly had to fill in the massive gaps themselves.

Yeah, we can't call ourselves true fans unless we read or listen to the audiobooks 📖Since GRRM was out of the loop after Season 4, whatever D&D did on their own past that point isn't considered canon 🤦‍♂

​@@SSGoatanks You know what really confuses me? GRRM's involvement in House of the Dragon. He signed off on everything, which technically makes it canon, but it still has less to offer than GoT ever did at its lowest.

While I fully agree the first 3 books were brilliant, In all fairness book 4 started to meander, and book 5 was a hot mess with a lot of meaningless subplots that go nowhere.

i blubber.. every. single. time. 😭😭😭❤‍🩹❤‍🩹❤‍🩹

Sorry but no. I see these Hodor stans everywhere but sorry to break it to you, it was good but not great. The red wedding and Joffreys death were the highlights of the entire show. One caught us off guard and emotionally destroyed us and the other was feeling satisfaction was granted after a journey through evil. They were cultural media milestones where everyone was talking about, they are the iconic moments for the show. I'd even argue the brutal Oberyn death was more compelling than the Hodor death mind flip. If they put more into the setup of that storyline and impact of Brans stakes in the universe the Hodor scene would be untouchable. But it just wasnt 😊 I know everyone has their personal favourites but that doesnt mean its the best by public opinion.

@@nevaminddd It's fair to say he got Joss'd as a fan favorite though.

@nevaminddd ​Sorry, but no. The universe does not revolve around you: art is subjective, and your opinion is no more definitive then anyone else’s. You will hopefully understand when you graduate from elementary school.

@@CerealKiller134lmao they never claimed the universe revolved around their opinions. They’re pointing out that the vast majority of viewers would point to the red wedding & Joffrey’s murder when asked about the most compelling scenes of the show…..& only a small minority would point to Hodors death. It’s the truth, & even if you refuse to accept it, it’s still reality. Side note: calling anyone you disagree with online a child is weak. Do better.

this might be this world in the future. if the brand grows lager and the final books are written, there could be a complete "canon" rebot of the series. thinking of the partition now over 1,5 million people have signed, saying to rewrite season 8

The show fell off because they ran out of George RR Martin’s legitimately masterful writing to adapt. No writer they could have hired would have been able to maintain the level of quality from the first 4-5 seasons. It was always doomed to end badly when they started to diverge.

benioff and weiss had the tv rights, not hbo

How boring. Have you problems with living in reality?

@@dirkgonthier101 who doesn't in these times?😂

Nah, Sansa and Cersei had bigger beef - with Arya pulling the knife on her. Would have been some major payoff

What about the biggest one opening season 8 where fans were waiting for him to react to him being Targaryen but in the end he walks north to Canada instead 😂

Diss a point.

​@queenb2450 I am with you. After all Sansa endured, she should have become the mad queen. She deserved the Cersi kill. Arya could have been an accomplice to satisfy her list maybe???

Me too...that would have been so cool

The show forgot Danny had dragons and could fly, so take a guess

The seer says to bran "you will fly" or something to that effect at some point as well. I was convinced he would worg the night Kings dragon and control it. Such an own goal that didn't happen

The entire Bran storyline was effectively pointless because to doesn't contribute to the overall plot in any way.

I have to defent the Show at that point couse A: he is a warg not a skinchanger. Skinchangers can go into any animals but wargs can only go into magical creatures (like direwolfs) who they have a connection with it. And B: Dragons can only be controled by people who have bonded with them. And even than they can hardly control them becouse dragons have strong will power

Smartest person to ever grace the seven gods' green earth

Imagine if we the audience thought that Arya is dead. And then later, Arya reappears as the waif at House Frey and only after all the Frey men drop like flies does Arya reveal herself and say, the North remembers!

They could have left the audience in the dark until this point, who the Waif really is. I'd also change the mechanism of how faces are worn. All faces belong to the same god. I wouldn't show if Arya kills the Waif or if the Waif is just Arya herself with a different face, killing herself, and thereby sacrificing herself to become one with the faceless god. After this point, she would be an incarnation of the god, having Waif's or Arya's face, by shape shifting. This would then explain her supernatural fighting skills, sharing all the knowledge and skills of all the other people who have sacrificed themselves. So after her sacrifice, Arya might not even know at first, when she "wears" Waif's face. She might be surprised that no one recognizes her until a big reveal.

@@matfax ok

@@matfax this is an excellent comment! And is far superior to what the show did.

Agreeed!

I actually kinda expected Jamie went back to his sister, but in a different way, that is he became Kingslayer once more.

and there was that whole rape scene...

Yes, what they did to Jamie in Season 8 was ridiculous.

@@zitronentee Agreed! One of the scenes I thought of the most throughout the show was how they would play out the saga of Jamie and Cersei. I always thought that him coming into the world holding onto her foot was foreshadowing to how they might go out together...but not so anticlimacticly...under a pile of fucking rocks. Lame.

omg that was soooo stupid it hurts my brain

Exactly. I will be covering this extensively in future videos :3

In reality, Bran was the most powerful person in the world. And they leveraged very little of that power.

That's a good point!

There's an interview on a panel where GRR says just that, in his mind he expected S4 to be half of book 4, same for the rest. So annoying that people blame GRR for slow writing, when D&D pissed away so much material.

So where should I stop watching?

@@barukkazhad8998 I'd say S4, then get the audiobooks.

@@user-pf4sk8im4b too late..just watched season 5....😔

​@@barukkazhad8998 Just watch all of it. It's true that it's a show in decline, but it's not altogether unwatchable. It's entertaining. The disappointment lies in how far it fell from where it began. But a lot of people like shows that have come out since then that are about the same quality as the last 4 seasons of GOT.

cry whiteboi

First 4 plus hearthome and sept of baylor

First 4 were amazing, I feel like the show got too popular for its own good. They felt like they didn't have to try as much

yeah butthe first episode was actually horrible....I was soo lae to GoT arty because I just watched first eisode when it came out and it was sooo feakin boring :D it took me years to watch the show finally and then I was also insulted with this horrible last 2 seasons :D

@@HK-gm8pe it's good just slow

Yea that look he gives the screen just screams "are you seeing this shit?!"

I think died is the wrong term, but it was absolutely the turning point as it was mostly downhill from there with a couple spikes in quality in Seasons 5 and 6.

Tywin was better than the book character. And it can be thanked to the talent of Charles Dance.

The source material took a nosedive in quality around the same point too - end of book 3. Books 4 and 5 are mostly meaningless filler written because GRRM doesn't know how to continue the story. This is why we will never see book 6 or 7. What we have here is a great first act of the story - the first 3 books, and then nothing.

@@shurik121 He probably didn't expect to live that long :)

So inaccurate it is not even funny. Do I have to collate all the posts on the internet that were loving off and completely bumming the fuck out of this program right up until Season 8 episode 3 and 4? The objective proof is in the online posts of the fans which were 95% positive up until season 8. "The show died with Tywin" is the most bitter and moody thing I have heard so far about it. Have a look at yourselves from another perspective.

It very much reminds me of what they did with Han Solo in ROTJ.. from an interesting, funny, capable character into a joke shell of his former self

Tyrion is not an good Person in the books. He is troubled, has trauma and does some evil things. The series just sold him as a good guy, because that's much easier

@@DieEineMieze Please do not compare the German translation of both books and show to the original - the translation in both cases is cringeworthy! But you're not wrong, of course. Tyrion in the show isn't a truly good person either, neither is my fav, Varys. The show could have done a better job to show Tyrion's inner conflicts and questionable actions. But much of it comes trough in the horrifying dialogues in the first few seasons. And there are a lot of videos who discuss the problem you're seeing - how cutting material from the books robbed Tyrion's show character of depth and even credibility. Maybe these videos would be of interest to you, they often contain the name Tysha. I'm rather proud of the GoT following for not moving on, but keeping on discussing books and show. Maybe the main thing that fascinated me with this show, the way it motivated people, got them to communicate, share their creativity, damn well *talk* to each other no matter where they where from, this energy that came from so many minds working with the concepts and premisses of this show, is not all lost and wasted. It might even bring about an improved remake, that will again call the community together and this time, maybe use the generated energy for something of value. Lass mir Deine Katze grüssen!

The soy eating simps and red-haired h0es that "binge" shows were fascinated with the quote "I drink and I know things". They associated themselves with that, they see themselves as super intelligent and misunderstood while they drink themselves into misery.

IM ENRAGED BITCH

Much obliged!

In my world a giant asteroid destroys Westeros after season 5. The end.

He was my favorite character in the show

It was a middle school type plot, the showerunners holding everyone's hand and asking " aren't we so clever??" No. No you're not.

It's called overconfidence.

@@asarishepard8171 Middle School. That's a Scooby doo plot

@@emmanuelmondesir1314 don't insult Scooby-Doo like that

The "rocks fall, everybody dies" death of these two characters is such an abysmal travesty it hurts.

@@ruecumbers they died under castle rock. Being from castley rock

True. People were expecting that and some even thought it was being foreshadowed by their scene together on top of the floor map.

How about Arya strangles Ceirci with (shocking reveal)TWO hands, as she wears the face of Jamie (who died earlier, somehow)! Then ARYA gets buried in rubble, as a consequence of seeking her revenge. That would be cool

@@WanderingIdiot81 If you really want the shock reveal you have Bran warg into Hodor’s body and strangle Cersei with that man hammer between his legs. Then you find out the Hodor was just him trying to say Valonqar the whole time!!!

Knocking out Tyrion before a battle is just classic old-school HBO. They used to do that sort of thing all the time to get out of filming expensive battle sequences. Rome did it a lot, too.

Introducing Tyrion via him already getting it on with a Winterfell whore when the rest of the Baratheon/Lannister clan arrive in style and dignity is a bit of a red flag and is just the start of HBO's fetish of having naked women in literally every single episode. I swear there's not one GOT episode without tits being shown

Same for season 7. It's just as bad.

You couldn't be more wrong. This was always going to be the ending. You just couldn't see it because you wanted to see something else and that's the genius of it. The masses watched it, rooting for the wrong people. Not understanding the ending at all. A small percentage of those who watched, understood that Dany was Nazism repainted as a female so that people would have sympathy for her. George convinced FEMINISTS and LIBERALS to root for a female Hitler. It is an amazing prank and you all deserve what you got. I love the ending, it is essentially the story of Ragnarok, for all the warring, bickering, gameplaying, at the end of the day comes to naught. The cycle continues without you and your petty mortal squabbles. This was exactly the ending I predicted. Watching "fans" of the show get tricked, was hilarious. The masses watched it, but only a few understood it.

@@maxdamagus crafting an ending for the masses to hate, on a show which the same masses adored, is malice. You just made my point in saying the directors deliberately pissed off the fans. The end result of each character isn't what's so detestable, it's how they got there. GoT's entire appeal was throrough and slow development. Season 8 completely mailed it in, like a lazy high school student who didn't want to finish the project and slapped something together just so they could claim they turned it in. It was lazy, because the rest of the seasons weren't They skipped over loads of story telling to get to the conclusion because they were tired of making the show. The directors all but said as much. You're either a sadist for reveling in others' displeasure or a pompous theater student who thinks you have some esoteric knowledge only those with elite delusions could appreciate.

​@@maxdamagusnah, it's just a pile of crap.

I always thought it was apparent that Dany was going to be Lady Hitler when she watched her brother die with zero reaction, but I guess that’s just me.

He might’ve trained Arià to kill the Night King without her knowing, that would explain why he let her leave without consequences. This could've been cool and tie Aria's plot in Braavos nicely. But nothing of that happened.

Jaqen doesn't appear in the books after Harrenhall. He replaces the "kindly old man" in the books in the House of Black and White because people liked Tom Wlaschiha

Totally agree!!! Why did they choose to be "done" with his story, his contribution to the show?? So stupid.

That houses whole thesis is being no one. With arya claiming her name and him being cool with it and killing the waif was just throwing that whole plot away. It was by this point and dorne I knew we were in trouble. And they threw the dorne plot away as well.

so is having bran fly the dragons north and getting one of them killed. It is so much better - gives Bran something to do and reinfoces his rivalry with NK - builds conflict between Dany and the Starks - makes a lot more sense then the whole Gendry running about thing... I know he said all those things, I just needed to reitterate it, cause I thought it was such a good idea!

The first four seasons definitely had plot armour let's not pretend they were flawless seasons please

they have some source material, but im not sure they have enough for a whole show

I think that must have to do with the fact that, despite the fanbase by and large realising that it was bad only well into season 8, it had been getting worse for 4 seasons (5 years) already, with only a minority being aware of the trend. During seasons 5 to 7 it kept getting bigger and bigger thanks to the enormous amounts of money that were poured into the CGI and in general the production, while failing to resonate on a deeper level because it had lost what built its initial success (the character evolution, the deaths of beloved characters etc). It was a Hollywood big-budget, low-content production with the good guys blowing up the bad guys and much filler in between; when it ended, its most memorable moments of the previous 5 years had been big battle scenes with huge special effects, which is actually bland since (courtesy of Disney) we are afloat in that sort of stuff anyway.

It's thesis worthy. Someone should do investigative research on what happened especially behind the scenes that lead to something so on top coming out so low

@@unclereub4024 I'm also not sure that anyone is gonna take Matt Smith seriously anymore after that dance in morbius. Can't wait for the edits though

@Imperator Caesar Traianus Hadrianus Augustus same, there were a few years where I would just spend all my time on the ASOIAF wiki just inhaling every single bit of trivia. Now, nothing.

Maybe building up lots of interesting female characters just to tear them down again wasn't such a great idea 🤷‍♀️

@@loldiers3238 I feel like they tore everything down 😂☹️!

It's easy when you remember that the writers are pompous and have been breathing in their own farts for several seasons.

and it was the begining of the end of all creativity coming from the US. It's like americans can't write a story anymore, as if they lost their soul.

I’m so happy about the sequel, I hope and pray they’ve done a good job bc the ending of got has to be the worst of any show ever written.

But only if HE brought her house down... Surely?

​@@LusciousTwinklewhy would that be a condition? It gives Littlefinger a reason to use his resources to protect her house, and prevents him using a proxy to try doing it since Olenna would be flicking his doomsday switch anyway.

@@InnuendoXP True.... But she was about to die. I doubt Olenna would be thinking about Littlefinger... She just wanted Jamie to know she'd killed his shitty son.

I was told ,read the Writers! Wanted out,to do other things?! Such as Starwars,etc. How you were going to tie up all the subplots,characters? In less but longer episodes?! TOO MUCH to cram into time slotted?! Remember DEADWOOD? Yeah?! Lefties us hanging,armed chinamen with Spencer Repeaters?! And the town ,up against Gerald McRanie, as outside BIG $, mining! Nothing?! He leaves Town?! End of Story?! You heard about movie to end Story. NOTHING?! Then I get text,8 yrs. Later, movie to end Story?! And ,2 characters ,actors,dead ?! One Powers Booth! Lucky rest were still around?! At least ending? How's about Showtime,killing off BORGIAS?!Not about Ratings, but it's too expensive?! To DO?! Main actor even said he'd take pay cut? With last season Script all Written, ready to go?! Fans went through Roof,so Showtime ,as a Sop,put Season Script online,So we could read it?! Boardwalk Empire?! Cable seems to not Want to Spend ,$?! And let's not forget ,good old GEORGE MARTIN,got pissed because everyone thought he'd Croak before finishing books?! Then pleaded Old Age because he couldn't keep up with writers?! It's All About $! Egos, Talent,Old Story! I told everybody they couldnt tie it up? I was Right?! And finally BIG ONE?! YOU WIN to be Queen of CINDERS?! No One to Rule,Pay Taxes?! Hitler in Bunker?! That's it!

s04e09 was stupid as hell. Rather cheesy.

Don't forget Stannis. His character was completely butchered in Season 5, show Stannis is nothing like book Stannis, in the books Stannis is my fav character and I'm still pissed how Dumb & Dumber massacred my king.

There Was a dip in quality in season 5 and 6 but it was still for the most part pretty good and still felt like game of thrones season 7 is where things went tits up

Holy crap! That’s exactly what happened to me. I noticed the writing was off from their first sentence

Honestly, it might have been better if Arya was revealed to be the Waif wearing Arya's face

@@billvolk4236 No one cared about the waif, so there was no audience investment in her as a character. That would've been hugely disappointing.

The Arya being waif or whatever this guy says in the video is so bullshit..waif was not ordered by Jacquen to take Arya's life .it was her own wish..as she kept on commenting Jacquen against Arya..acting and killing as per your own selfish wish and desire was not what faceless men preached

You know, that's probably one of the reasons for me. I mean, there are lots of reasons and this video was a great deep dive into those reasons but yea, YEARS of my life 🤣 YEARS!

I watched it first time during the quarantine, it was good to not wait for next seasons to release

the ending wasnt even disappointing. form your own opinions

@@duane2080 I did form my own opinion, and my opinion was that it was disappointing.

Writers got lazy didn't want to really adapt the books and they are not the only ones(see the witcher) but not using the content to the maximum and trying to rush because you are offered other projects jsut to lose them too 😂

Couldn't agree more. That Dothraki charge was the most ridiculous thing.

Jon Snow "we cant defeat them in a straight attack"... 5 minutes later, full Dothraki charge.

Never mind the stupidity of the tactics, just the fact that threw away one of the dynamic story elements in a mass of off-screen deaths. After all the fanfare and struggle of getting the Dothraki there in the first place, they just...go away...without really doing anything. It's bad not just tactically, but also from a storytelling perspective.

@@christiankalk4668 very true

Go check out Invictas Channel revised battle plan on that episode.

GRRM has no idea what he's doing. It's just all hype

I wasn't aware in S6. Made excuses, like one perhaps do for ones and things one love in S7. It all blow up in S8, talk about right in the face.

I was aware things were going downhill in season 4. Season 5 onwards was a cluster fuck.

You absolutely did notice it in seasons 5 and 6.

@@KaitainCPS maybe it was noticeable in 5-6 but every show makes some bad writing decisions and bad writing wasn’t really being talked about as a core aspect of the show until later. By series 7-8 bad writing was basically expected and GOT started being seen as a show with bad writing not just a show with a few weird writing choices

Hey, glad you like it! I'm working on a video series where I'll be exploring how GoT could have been fixed, with this being a prime turn of events in Arya's arc :)

I have to admit I too was still suffering from trusting them to carry on being great well into the latter half of the series.

The hype back then was just too much and i was naive to fully believe in the show so even if i noticed flaws i just overlooked them. First thing that really threw me off was the Arya parkour shit after she was stabbed multible times but even then i still had faith. Only when season 7 came out i finaly had to stop beeing in denial about whats happening to the show.

Yea, idk what you're talking about. I clearly remember people being let down by season 5 due to the Dorne plotline being atrocious. I actually remember more criticism for season 5 than there was for season 6. Back when season 6 first aired people loved it, most people were saying "finally we get some pay off for the good guys!".

@@monkeyboy275bobo8 Dude what? Season 5 was most definitley criticized back when it first aired. The Dorne plotline especially was universally panned.

@@bostontowny4life744 Yeah some people did criticize the show i never said there wasnt any criticism at all. Even season 1 was already criticised by some book readers for cut characters and stuff. What i meant is that critics werent taken serious by most back than including me since that was seen as complaining on a high level and the show was still considered one of if not the greatest ever. So yeah MOST people didnt really care back than and were just super fucking hyped for more GoT to see what would happen next after 4 seasons of great worldbuilding and story buildup that looked like it would lead to a super epic and probably tragic and highly comlex conclusion.

Do you think Charles Dance had the credentials and balls to call out D&D if he didn’t like the way a scene was written, in a way that the rest of the cast may have struggled to ?

Definitely agree. Charles Dance’s presence on screen was remarkable and really made you understand why people were afraid of him. But it was always more than just inciting fear. His purpose was his legacy and every move he made made sense

@@thesnoopmeistersnoops5167 he said in an interview that he’s disagreed with scenes but they didn’t care and wouldn’t budge

Yeah him and little finger made the show mad interesting 🤔

If that's the case, then stop watching this series after Tywin's death. It a simple solution for a very simple problem.

Seemed like they were just eager to be done with it all after the source material dried up, and wanted to hurry to their next projects.

Hmm, not so sure about that. They were adapting source matériel and they did that well, Peter Jackson showed them how. However, it is obvious that source dried up once that ended they had no idea where to go, so they had a look at Twitter, saw what was trending and boom, Super Arya, Girl Power and fan service ... just like the rest of TV. This was somewhat foreshadowed by the way certain character's clothes would blow off at faint breeze. They were out to make money and once they had no map they did what TV does.

@@I_Don_t_want_a_handle it’s not super respected but good adaptation is a skill! Knowing what to cut and when to add is definitely something they excelled at, but in the later seasons they went from editors to creators and that’s a completely different skill set. I definitely agree that it feels like they were rushing to the end for the last few seasons and maybe that was due to $$ but it also may have been because they just didn’t like know how to handle the behemoth they were trying to pilot.

When Jon decides to tell Arya and Sansa about his true parents and we GOT NO REACTION shot I knew we were going to be completely screwed.

It's not even the fact that they weren't able to deliver but the fact they refused to resign from the project, they refused to give anybody else a try, and they even refused any additional episodes HBO would've given them to wrap things up in a satisfying way - they pitched for FEWER episodes than what they were offered. They chose to set the sinking ship on fire just so they could be done with it and move onto to-be-cancelled star wars project. I will never watch another thing from dumb and dumber, f those guys

“In that case, the wine isn’t really poisoned. Come on now boys, we’ve got some walk of shaming to do”

@@JL-yq9xn that’s a fucking fantastic idea. Will Have himself begging the z”walk of shame”s. Starting at the supremes courta shame walk from the White House to all around the mall and the sights.

Well, the subversion of expectations works well only if you react with something like "OMG, how could I have missed this", or maybe if it's just ignoring out-of-universe expectations (like killing main characters, instead of reinforcing the plot armor). Subversion of expectation based on pulling stuff out of digestive tract is just lousy writing.

I feel like the fall really happened because they were doing what Hollywood always does... they stop crafting a compelling story driven by characters in favor of trying to force the story to support a series of more and more epic battle scenes.

Agreed, was able to forgive becuase of how awesome Hardhome and BotB was but you could feel the decline no matter how hard you tried to ignore it.

@@jch010 Hardhome wasn't that great; it was prematurely showing the Night King to Jon. And BotB has a ridiculous ending ripped of from LotR. I loved the Sept of Baelor though,

Lucky me I read how bad s 7 and 8 was I never watched it . I am now reading the books and can tell you they are amazing . Even the best scenes from the show can’t compare to the seens from the book . I have been thinking about some chapters for days so good they are

@@bobbobson661 you spared yourself then from all the stupidity that was season 7 and 8

@@bobbobson661 your are so lucky compare to us

It now resides in a special place in TV history that previously hadn't been occupied by anyone. It broke new ground, in all directions, some negative.

@@BigBlack81 i remember Lost tv show. similar shit hit the fan scenario

@@trauty666 Point well taken and well made. I forgot about that dumpster fire of a show.

@@trauty666 "Shit hit the fan... " I think season 8 hit every one of them... and I'm not talking about the things that circulate air.

Yeah it's really crazy. No one talks about it now. It's as if it never happened. Even with shows like Dexter people will often recommend the show and say "it went to shit towards the end." But with Game of Thrones it's not even brought up, that's how badly the ending was ruined.

the producers got lazy. they were offered the starwars gig and wanted GoT finished and out of the way. Daniel Brett Weiss and David Benioff. two useless twats who ruined one of the greatest series ever made.

I’m gonna disagree with you slightly and say d&d didn’t get lazy. But they definitely got arrogant, which is arguably worse.

@@dramaqueen_tbg I mean, they were offered 10 seasons, but they went with 8 instead, with the last one being short. So that's lazy

So true 😢😢

Agree with the first comment: they became arrogant and entitled. If they just have given the torch to other writers and producers, things would have been very different. They could have had their liberty to do some other shits (Star Wars series and the Netflix deal), and their reputation intact. But no, they choose to do it all by themselves and ruin the whole main series. Fortunately, HOD did it so well and there's new interest in the ASOIAF world.

True, it's really unfair to the people who spend such a large part of their lives working on the show. I'm sure they're wiping their tears with montains of cash though.

Imo smartest actor in whole GoT was Jack Gleeson. He quit acting and went to college after Joffrey was killed. Smart boy!

well, it didnt help that some of them, to this day, still defend season 8 by saying the fans are just wrong about it. I love Peter Dinklage in this show, but... that's some major case of denial right there. I felt the most sorry for Kit Harrington really. From what I gather he had a seriously troubled time after GoT ended.

It was still leaps and bounds better than this video analysis channel, more fun watching paint dry.

It definitely had a big fall out. I still love the show and always will. It was one of the best shows for the decade it ran and it felt like everyone was talking about. Yes I absolutely hated the last season and wish it went very different. It’s a shame that that big of a show just fizzled out and now no one talks about it.

I stopped at the end of 4. After several years away, knowing the ending, I recently binged the rest for closure. Frustrating as it was, I still can't believe how badly it got after the third season.

I felt like I was taking crazy pills while watching season 5 because I complained about it constantly and everyone I knew who watched it was talking about how cool the previous episode was, that scene with the thing, or when character said line like there wasn't a glaringly obvious drop in quality

I finished it then went and bitched on Twitter about it lol

Its Jon who should be the King....

The thing that bothers me is that people still use that idiotic insult (dumb and dumber) to refer to the two producers years after the "joke" weared off.

@@abraham2172 David is that you?

@@Amandor2011 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I expect Tyrion to be King in the books. I expect Bran to ride off with Arya and sail West in the end. Why? Because this story is a retelling of the Wars of the Roses, Lord of the Rings and Cleopatra. Bran is Frodo (and the Ring). Bran is also the prince in the tower in the wars of the roses. the "magic" has to leave westeros. the age of man is the end of the story. Like Frodo leaving the Shire on the last boat out of Middle Earth. The wars of the Roses end with Henry VII (Tyrion) marrying Elizabeth of York (Sansa) and creating modern England. The unification of Lancaster and York bring England out of the Middle Ages and into the modern. The red hair of the British Royals traces straight back to the red hair of Elizabeth of York (Sansa). Unless George Martin was intending to provide a different ending to the Wars of the Roses and the LOTR, this is how it would end. The Cleopatra story line of dany ended similar to history. Conquer then die and the family dies and the Greek period turns to Roman. So, I expect George's story to follow the wars of the roses and the lord of the rings. This also makes more sense with Arya's story line. Every Stark became their wolf. Arya needs to become the Gollum (Schizophrenic who steals the ring (Frodo) and the Nymeria who takes the last of her people across the ocean. George stopped promoting and cooperating with Dan and Dave after season 4. This is not well known, but until s4, the author was promoting and working with D and D. Until S4 George was writing episodes and providing direction. S5, there was a complete schism. GRR Martin had no role to play in S5-8. He was cut out out. D and D had the rights and they decided they did not need the author anymore. This led to bad storytelling, unsure ending, lack of dialogue, etc. D and D were convinced it was them that made the show. It was actually George. The greatest literature to film ever done, began to unwind itself in S5 because D and D no longer knew where to take the story. (especially because the books were not complete)

yeah, they bailed, but dragging it on forever couldn't've fixed it. only george really knows where it was going, maybe lml, or greenhand or shiftaltx, but d&d, or really just d never knew. george bailed making a mind-blowing ending impossible

I agree that lack of material probably wasn't the issue. I suspect at some point, they disagreed with George (in his consulting role) on some plot points and wanted to go their own direction. George, made his points and stepped back from his role, and that's how we ended up with what we got.

I wouldnt call them "untalented". More like "untrustworthy". One could have all the talent in the world (as they seemed to have in the very beginning), but if they are unwilling to see a deal through with honesty and care, whats the point? They could have done great things with the show, but instead chose to intentionally tank it so they could leave sooner.

@@batzxxl And you would be kinda right, but more like they severely mislead GRRM and he stopped helping from what I understand. He left his old note, but never added any new ones

HBO was willing to throw money at D&D to have Seasons 7 and 8 with ten episodes a piece. But they rushed through it and shit the bed. I think it was a mix of them running out of detailed source material but also letting the success of the show get to their heads in terms of the shows direction. George gave them broad outlines of what will happen, but who knows how much specific detail was included.

Much obliged! Appreciate the kind words :) Hope to keep you entertained

Season 5 was when they started running out of book content and started making up their own story. The writers just started killing main characters (characters that are still alive in the books) for the shock value of doing so. Also remember that the HBO series left out a LOT ... a WHOLE LOT ... of content, so them rushing through book content was pointless. Aegon Targaryen ... is he a pretender or the real deal? Don't know, he isn't in the series (No, Jon Snow is NOT Aegon Targaryen). Catelyn Stark ... or lady Stoneheart, out hanging half of Westeros. Shireen Baratheon, will she take over if Stannis dies ?(yes IF, Stannis isnt dead in the books).

@@wvin1450 well what’s crazy is I’ve heard about this dorne plan in the books and it sounds so badass and cool yet in the show dorne totally sucks the sandsnakes suck it’s dumb and so forth but I don’t even want to read the books now cuz George WILL NEVER FINISH THEM

to me your story felt like it was you who changed and no one else. why do you think people who had been as dedicated to it as you were for the first 4 seasons were still enthralled with it after that? it just sounds to me you lost interest and just blamed the show for a reason you cant even explain.

I don't think so, among the people around me I was the one most dedicated to the show. I still watched it with significantly more anticipation for each episode release than any of my friends, regardless of the change in quality. There was a pretty big drop off in quality beginning with season 5, and if you want to be salty about it go ahead but it's literally a proven fact at this point lol. Not even to mention it was while the show was still coming out that I couldn't figure out why it wasn't as good, and all these years later if we want to get into it I can put into words why. I definitely changed in the year or longer between each season, but it was the show that obviously changed for the worse.

Women writers killed it.

Do you mean the song?

@@samanthabogen9639 I think the characters sitting down and drinking and acting like characters before the pending doom was neat. Also the knighting of Brienne.

Yet...its still good. And somewhat forgivable. I understand they are rushing in season 7. But...season 8 is just...very very very very disappointing. The golden company is the best mercenary...and got roasted on the first deployment. The dragon got killed...by a balistae fired from a ship. Its as if the ship got invisibility cloak or something. And then next episode, the ships all got burned down by the other dragon. I mean, rush the episodes if u want, but please dont assume the viewers are stupid.

@@eleethtahgra7182 Exactly, they were more good then bad, but they were definitely starting to show the negatives.

I don’t know how you guys could stomach seasons 5-8, much less enjoy them. Like he says in the video, the quality and dialogue started going downhill in season 4. By 5 the whole show seemed kind of pathetic to me.

Me too man, me too. Most were in denial, but some of us knew what was happening and what was to come wasnt going to hit the same. Which is why I like watching these. Funny how people change in retrospect. Challenging people in real time was a tough one 😅

I've got plenty more in the pipeline. Stay tuned! :D

Yeah. Being half-dead and then suddenly sprouting super powers to kill two nobodies really lacked the dignity he deserved.

@@CultureVultureMedia1 what a stupid comment.

People act like Dany is a monster because they're hypocrites. How is Dany executing the Tarleys- after giving them the choice to surrender and accept her rule and them flat out saying they'd never bend the knee to her, the rightful heir to the throne (as far as anyone knew)- any worse than Ned executing a man for trying to flee the White Walkers? Or worse than Rob executing Rickard Karstark after he killed Lanister hostages? Or Theon murdering two innocent peasant boys (one of which may have been his own bastard son?) Or Jon hanging a literal child? Jaime is still seen as "honorable" after leading an ambush and helping massacre the Northmen in King's Landing, but Dany kills some slave owners (in retaliation for them killing slave children to mock her- that wasn't something that just popped into her head at random) and suddenly everyone's talking about Targareyn madness. Why's it only madness when a woman's doing it?

@@Silburific Also what's worse about that is the Tarly's were literal TARGARYEN loyalists so all that section does is point out the stupidity of the writing. Furthermore it is exactly what you said. If we want to nitpick what "madness" means in the GoT world then you could make a case for everyone and the biggest criminal of them all is Arya but " the north remembers!" so its fine when she bakes humans into pies as an act of mere revenge whilst Daenerys acts out of compassion for literal slaves but all of a sudden everyone has a problem with it. If Arya had any other house tied to her name then she would be questioned about her motives but because the starks are so protected from this joke plot armour writing no one bats an eyelid.

@@Silburific You took the words out my mouth, what made it even more annoying is tyrion trying to save cersei after she murdered so many people and tried to have him killed multiple times. Yet arguing for Jon to kill Dany for basically the same reason. Honestly if they didn't have her murder the people of kings landing they would have zero evidence to support the argument. Which is annoying because that scene make absolutely no sense. They should have had her rule and show the people rejecting her first then have the people find out about Jon and start wanting him as king then make her go mad. Like add anything just make it make sense

The reason she’s judged harshly is because she preaches righteousness, the breaking of the wheel, and a new world, while in practice, she just does the same things like any other westeros ruler, only worse, since in a matter of seconds she can take out legions of people. Cersei meanwhile doesn’t preach shit. Everyone who knows Cersei knows her to be a crazy bitch. That’s why it’s always so disappointing with Dany. That’s the difference.

@@kdr3619 but how is that bad writing? Isn't that just very interesting? "the road to hell is paved" and all that?

Cole, think about it..you can go and really cut all references to the white walkers now...pointless.

@@brot5246 right - they mean absolutely nothing to the plot. no purpose.

That episode is when I stopped watching the show. I still haven't finished it and never will. Completely butchered decades of set-up.

Cheers, Michael! Yeah, it's just strange that they did so well at first. It's like they didn't learn anything from their own success. Wasn't it obvious what people enjoyed about the show? How do you go from attention to detail and integrity to Jaime and Brienne hooking up? I guess we'll never know...

I've always wondered why the producers adapting novels are always the villains in vids like this, while the novelist who quit writing novels gets a free pass? 🤔 The show started sucking when it ran out of source material.

In your experience in writing multi-book , does it get more difficult to write new books the further you get into your book series ?

@@TheRemover469 I imagine it gets harder to add new elements to any story the further it has progressed.

Oh, yeah. It's just mind-blowing how GRRM created living breathing world with such extensive history and lore all by himself, and this world is totally believable. World history is believable. Freaking dragons are believable. Characters are alive, have their inner motivations and personalities. That's not the case with D&D, at all. "We thought viewers won't expect that and it looks cool" - that's basically their explanations of everything they did.

Yeah you’re just objectively wrong with this comment. Like, really really wrong. As in, don’t comment on media anymore type wrong

Good point!

I would disagree, the cards were dealt in the very beginning. But again its up to your perspective

I agree except for characters like Tyrion, in the beginning he was more true to his book character but all the way in season 2 they kinda whitewashed him (not the racist definition of term btw) same with Cersei tho at least she was still “bad” they actually made Tyrion a “good guy” while he is not so in the books. It was a good direction initially however it came to a screeching halt when season 5 came around and the couldn’t adapt to their own writing and ended up creating almost an entirely different Tyrion……. A second time.

@@thefisherman0074 Tyrion was pretty much a good guy from the start of the series. Can you think of any evil or seriously immoral act he committed in the early seasons? I can't.

@@thefisherman0074 Well put. They missed the glaring opportunity to explore Tyrion's darkness.

I was just thinking that was the time I felt like I was watching a different show entirely. Especially how quickly she healed and the Waif turning into The Teminator walking slowly after her only to be foiled by the dark which assumes that the Waif didn't have the same training Arya had.

And the girl that looks like a terminator!

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Hahaha... so many moments like this in the last couple of seasons it was like an SNL skit.

With accuracy on the level of a sniper using a scoped 50 cal Barrett. The truth about the dragons is that the only opportunity you had to kill one was when it was either on the ground or standing still in the air. And if it was standing still in the air, it was a split second away from unleashing fire.

@@superdave8248 do you have the same problem with how Tolkien killed off Smaug?

Another example of the uselessness of the 3 eyed raven character. I mean Bran couldn't seem to do ANY freakin recon for anyone ever!!

@@ba55bar Yeap. One in a billion shot from a weapon with an effective range of a few hundred yards. In the US Navy we had inflatables we used for target practice in open water. We called them "Giant Tomatoes" because of their size and color. You would be amazed how often you miss something that is barely bobbing in the water using modern rifle sights.

I figured he hired a faceless-man stand-in. Little Finger was always two steps ahead of everybody else.

I remember thinking “ clearly that was a faceless man who died in his place otherwise it was just so pointless” … but I was wrong

@@harrymills2770 I think con men always think they are steps ahead of everyone but that over confidence typically results in their death.

Yes, it would have been better if Little Finger had won the game but was left with a realm in ruins and the Night King at the gates of King's Landing.

@@harrymills2770 I thought the same about the faceless man, but after being thoroughly disappointed, I changed things (in my head) that instead of dying, he'd have fought back in a very non-Littlefinger manner and escaped. Everyone would have been confused as hell ... except Arya. Later they meet up, have a fight, and the faceless man reveals before dying that it isn't over.

Plot convenience became such a repetitive reason as to why things happened... So sad..

Plot convenience became such a repetitive reason as to why things happened... So sad..